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Sven_vB |
I just learned there's a map size limit at around 31k blocks in each direction, where does that limitation come from and why is it so low? |
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tango_ |
Sven_vB: the limitation comes from the use of 16-bit integers for nodes positions, and it's actually much larger than what minecraft has |
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Sven_vB |
oh. I want to believe the latter sentence, so thanks. |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Minecraft world = 910^8 square kilometers. Minetest world = 21610^9 square kilometers. |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Minetest world = 216*10^9 square kilometers. |
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MTDiscord |
<Zander_200> wow im in the IRC now :O |
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tech_exorcist |
you aren't |
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tech_exorcist |
you're on Shitcord |
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Aris |
heh |
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rubenwardy |
that doesn't even work |
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Sven_vB |
tango_, meh, that nice belief is shattered. https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/World_boundary claims Minecraft had its limit at +/- 30M, so a thousand times bigger, isn't it? |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Minecraft's Y lvl are few |
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Sven_vB |
oh, so in MT we can't go as far, but higher/lower? |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> 1 more Y lvl = 64k*64k more blocls on minetest |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Yes |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Minetest world is cube |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Minecraft world is rectangle |
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Sven_vB |
I see. unfortunately the players I'm trying to convince are surface dwellers usually. |
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Krock |
!c 62000^3/(1000^3) |
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MinetestBot |
TypeError: unsupported operand type(s) for ^: 'int' and 'float' |
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Krock |
!c 62000**3/(1000**3) |
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MinetestBot |
238328.0 |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> 64000^3 = minetest world |
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Krock |
no |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Wait |
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Krock |
the outer 2000 are not usable due to mapgen |
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Krock |
unless you use chunksize = 1 |
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Krock |
furthest you get is around 31780 or so |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> Yup |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> I guess only people with some privialges can go like that |
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Krock |
but I messed up the powers |
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Krock |
!c 62**2 |
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MinetestBot |
3844 |
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Krock |
^ this many (km)² |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> For me i could get to 30925 on a survival server but a staff member went over that |
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Krock |
object positions have no limit |
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Krock |
well the f32 max/min is the limit |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> But i couldnt go over that for some reason |
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MTDiscord |
<Flamore> Move over 16-bits, time for 32 bits. |
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Sven_vB |
I'll make a feature request |
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Krock |
for what? |
| 14:50 |
Krock |
if you want 32-bit coordinates your issue will be closed as duplicate in an instant |
| 14:51 |
Krock |
use the search function. there should be plenty results |
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Sven_vB |
oh. will do again. yesterday I couldn't find a suitable issue. |
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Sven_vB |
ok found issue 8660. do I understand correctly that the only problem is out mapgen can't decide blocks for those large coordinates? the a stopgap might be to mirror-repeat the area of the world that mapgen can render. |
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tango_ |
Sven_vB: interesting, but the vertical size is still clamped |
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Sven_vB |
tango_, not a problem for me or my target audience. they're interested in building near-surface stuff. |
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tango_ |
Sven_vB: and you've already filled the standard 16-bit-wide surface? |
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Sven_vB |
we might be greedy but we're smart enough not to dig too deep. ;) |
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Krock |
you're busy for a week to dig down that far unless you've got mod assistance |
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Sven_vB |
tango_, no. the building won't even start due to the fear of sunk cost. |
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Sven_vB |
it's hard enough as is, to convince people to even install and try minetest, rather than minceraft. |
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tango_ |
Sven_vB: so you think you can saturate 1 billion squares? |
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Sven_vB |
no. it's not the ppint to actually do it. it's about psychology. |
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tango_ |
Sven_vB: ah, the better being an enemy of the good |
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Sven_vB |
yes |
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Sven_vB |
or rather just the fear that the world limit might someday interfere with their building |
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tango_ |
I must say that I've been curious by the possibilities that would be open by MT switching to openvdb and foregoing many of the current limits myself |
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Krock |
inb4 300m side length buildings all across the map |
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tango_ |
Sven_vB: I can guarantee they'll get bored long before that |
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Krock |
to properly use the current map you'll need a few gigabytes of storage |
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Krock |
and a tremendous amount of time |
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tango_ |
even in creative mode and with tools to amplify yout construction speed |
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Sven_vB |
initially when I learned about voxel world games, I was drawn by the fascination of infinitely generated worlds to explore. I know now that it was a lie even for MC, but it's what inspires people. |
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rubenwardy |
#8660 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8660 -- Increase world dimension |
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Sven_vB |
tango_, won't convince them to try MT though. |
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MinetestBot |
[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Remove dead code (#10845) 4c76239 https://git.io/Jt3Bc (2021-01-22T15:09:26Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest: Use JSON for favorites, move server list code to Lua (#10085) 67aa75d https://git.io/Jt3BC (2021-01-22T15:08:57Z) |
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Sven_vB |
most people who buy sports cars don't race them very often either. lots of humans aren't logical. :) |
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Sven_vB |
an improvement to mirror-repeating the mapgenable area could be fade to ocean, then fade to a mapgen area with a new_seed = old_seed .. .. ( |
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Sven_vB |
sorry sent too early |
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Sven_vB |
new_seed = sprintf('%s%+d%+d', old_seed, floor(x / mapgen_limit), floor(z / mapgen_limit)) |
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Sven_vB |
or round? not sure. anyway my idea was to have a layout like [ [ seed-1-1 , seed+0-1 , seed+1-1 ], [ seed-1+0 , seed , seed+1+0 ], [ seed-1+1 , seed+0+1 , seed+1+1 ] ] |
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Sven_vB |
that way the center area would be compatible with old worlds |
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Zughy[m]1 |
Heyo. I wanted to save in the mod database a player's inventory but it crashes saying that |
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Zughy[m]1 |
minetest.serialize(player:get_inventory():get_lists()) can't serialize data of type userdata. Any suggestions? |
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sfan5 |
to_table |
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Zughy[m]1 |
thanks |
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Sven_vB |
if I were to extend my server's mapgen to render worlds beyond x/z +/- 31k, would the network protocol and default client be able to play on that? |
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Krock |
Sven_vB: no. it would cause several overflow issues and severely confuse the client |
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Sven_vB |
:( |
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Zughy[m]1 |
I can't understand how to make to_table work with players' inventories. The only examples I can find in the API are with node inventories, where they work with the metadata of the node |
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sfan5 |
okay inventories don't have to_table |
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sfan5 |
you have to manually iterate lists and call to_table() on each stack |
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Krock |
to to_string |
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Krock |
*or |
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Krock |
example: https://github.com/SmallJoker/upgrade_packs/blob/master/api.lua#L27 |
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Krock |
implemented so that there's no additional inventory lists remaining if the mod is disabled |
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Zughy[m]1 |
ouchie. But ok, good to know, thank you both |
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Krock |
because users would have unrestricted access to that list due to missing callback guards |
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Krock |
given they write a CSM to show the formspec |
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Maxi1357 |
Hello |
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MTDiscord |
<Jonathon> hi |
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rubenwardy |
hi |
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Maxi1357 |
hey |
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heavygale |
hi |
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Maxi1357 |
How's everyone doing |
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rubenwardy |
good thanks , you? |
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Maxi1357 |
I'm feeling pretty good too |
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MTDiscord |
<wwar> too? He said 'good' only not "pretty good" :P |
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MTDiscord |
<Flamore> Cringe kinda |
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