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00:58 erlehmann is it possible to remap mining, i.e. first mouse button to a key?
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01:22 SwissalpS erlehmann: use an application like AntiMicro to remap. Have not tried your specific case.
01:23 SwissalpS Is there a method that returns a list of all user-names ever registered?
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03:59 MinetestBot [git] An0n3m0us -> minetest/minetest_game: Disallow screwdriver rotating torches, to avoid bad torch rotations 3ea648f https://git.io/JvCmm (2020-02-11T03:58:41Z)
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10:36 rtalk101 Has anyone played Kaeza's Minetest Soccer? https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-soccer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdGzQqIhzFY Really it's just a ball, not soccer in particular. I think a ball is a great simple toy that lets players make their own games and interact with the rest of the Minetest world.
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14:52 ManElevation Hey guys
14:52 ManElevation have a few quiestions about the auth.txt in the worlds folders
14:53 ManElevation questions*
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18:21 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Script API: Check that SAOs are still usable before attempting to use… 91eef64 https://git.io/JvCVu (2020-02-11T18:21:12Z)
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18:46 scr267 BuckarooBanzai, Your monitoring tool is pretty awesome!
18:46 BuckarooBanzai scr267: thanks, but it built primarily on prometheus and grafana ;)
18:46 BuckarooBanzai *its
18:48 scr267 Yeah I know, but still, its well integrated ... I especially like that you set it up on monitoring.minetest.land publicly :)
18:48 scr267 Or that we have the option to use it
18:51 BuckarooBanzai You can also host it yourself, i think i made all the hosting-stuff public: https://github.com/minetest-monitoring/monitoring.minetest.land
18:51 scr267 Yes I saw that
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18:53 scr267 I was trying to publicize a zabbix screen using a guest account, but zabbix doesn't have the ability to make only the SCREEN public and restrict the menus...
18:53 scr267 So even a guest account could go and see potentially other stuff that you don't want public
18:54 scr267 I was trying to setup an Apache reverse proxy to restrict the URIs... but it got dicey pretty quickly
18:54 scr267 Your monitoring tool is a way better solution for my needs
18:55 BuckarooBanzai nice to see it used ;)
18:55 BuckarooBanzai i hope it helps somehow (lagwise or just show whats using most cpu)
18:57 scr267 Yeah that was one of parts that I was interested in
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19:49 Time_Styler Hello
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19:50 Time_Styler Question how can i remove privs in a lua init mod?
19:52 Time_Styler i mean in a normal init.lua file
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20:01 SwissalpS1 https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/en/players/privileges.html
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20:08 cardboard64 is 128 mb RAM enough for a 4 player server?
20:08 rubenwardy probably not
20:08 rubenwardy the thing that takes up space is the loaded map
20:08 rubenwardy if the players stay in the same location it might be fine, try it
20:09 sfan5 there are some settings you can tune to get lower memory usage
20:09 Krock cardboard64: not if an OS has to fit into that as well
20:10 Krock and even without, it'll be really a tight budget
20:10 cardboard64 I'm thinking about using one of those ultra cheaps VPS
20:11 Krock rubenwardy: what takes the most space is metadata. IIRC a mapblock alone is just 64 KiB
20:12 cardboard64 could a run on a 256 mb RAM raspberry pi?
20:13 sfan5 I'd say that's the bare minimum
20:13 sfan5 provided you tune things right (this includes making sure the OS doesn't eat 100M on its own)
20:15 SwissalpS I've had 0.4 run on raspberry but it isn't much fun
20:16 SwissalpS unless only one player and hardly any mods (RasPi 2)
20:17 cardboard64 how could I reduce the memory use? (considering only hosting a basic survival serv)
20:17 cardboard64 (so no mods)
20:18 Krock low active block / loaded block range
20:18 Krock auth backend that isn't "files"
20:19 sfan5 wouldn't "files" take less ram than using sqlite?
20:19 sfan5 also https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1825
20:20 Krock up to a certain file size it does, but since everything's kept in RAM, sqlite3 becomes more efficient after several 100 KiB
20:20 * jonadab can't help but wonder if perf could be improved by using Postgres.
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20:21 Krock jonadab: in this case it's about RAM usage, not performance
20:21 jonadab Sure.
20:21 jonadab And Pg would have RAM overhead.
20:22 jonadab The perf issue I keep running into is an OS problem.  I need to migrate my Minetest off the gaming laptop onto a real computer.
20:22 jonadab One of these days, I will get around to doing that.
20:22 sfan5 "gaming laptop" sounds like it'd have enough power
20:23 jonadab It has less power than even the old desktop, let alone the newer one.
20:23 jonadab It's a cheapie.
20:24 jonadab Its connection to gaming is mainly that it runs MS Windows.  The only MS Windows system that I have.
20:24 jonadab Which is generally a benefit for a lot of games, but probably not for Minetest.
20:25 jonadab What I really should do, probably, is put the Minetest server on llama (the headless system that also runs things like irssi and git), and the client on rhino (the newer desktop).
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20:29 Krock in 2009 there were gaming laptops. Those are mid-range laptops today.
20:30 Krock just to have that mentioned once
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20:37 cardboard64 did some adjustments on my local serv, it uses only ~100 mb with 3 (local) users on
20:38 cardboard64 so maybe a 128 mb vps will work
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21:04 jonadab Get at least one of the users using a boat to explore the oceans.
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