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xavierg |
pgimeno_: yeah, I was wondering whether openbox had kept some damned information about the Minetest window (presumably based on title) but I found nothing about this kind of behaviour and I have only one application-specific rule in my OpenBox configuration. |
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xavierg |
(and it does not impact minetest, of course) |
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xavierg |
pgimeno_: There is indeed a significant difference. |
| 07:56 |
xavierg |
While in-game, on the problematic X user session, Alt+left-click moves the window, Alt+right-click resizes the window. |
| 07:56 |
xavierg |
On the X user session where everything works fine, Alt+left-click moves the window too... |
| 07:56 |
xavierg |
but Alt+right-click, instead of resizing the window... moves it. |
| 07:57 |
xavierg |
This is obviously due to the fact that the mouse pointer remains centered on the session which works fine. |
| 07:58 |
xavierg |
Therefore, I have to explain why the mouse pointer is offset in my session. |
| 07:58 |
xavierg |
First things first, let's measure the offset |
| 08:02 |
xavierg |
The offset is non-constant; it diminishes as I make the Minetest cross closer to (0, 0) by moving the window and increases in the opposite direction |
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xavierg |
(at this stage, this is officially an OpenBox issue, but if it can help explain #4629... |
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pgimeno_ |
xavierg: do you have a means to change the WM? in Debian there's a menu for that in some WMs |
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xavierg |
pgimeno_: yes, I can try that; any decent replacement in mind? |
| 08:29 |
xavierg |
btw, I have just tried running that other user's openbox in my X session; it does not fix the issue. |
| 08:30 |
pgimeno_ |
well, for an experiment any will do |
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pgimeno_ |
fluxbox also allows changing that back |
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pgimeno_ |
hmm, something in your .Xsession maybe? |
| 08:33 |
xavierg |
I have replaced OpenBox with FluxBox and still encounters the issue. |
| 08:33 |
xavierg |
(this is getting frustrating) |
| 08:34 |
xavierg |
I wish it happened in all sessions, I would have blamed SDL or something :') |
| 08:41 |
xavierg |
I do not have a custom .Xsession; both users rely on the system-wide one. |
| 08:46 |
xavierg |
I think I am out of ideas; there are many potential culprits (minetest, SDL, the window manager, possibly environment variables) but I cannot pinpoint any that could explain that only my session is impacted. |
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xavierg |
s/SDL/Irrlicht/ |
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pgimeno_ |
could listing the dotfiles help shed any light? |
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pgimeno_ |
does renaming out .minetest change anything? |
| 09:03 |
xavierg |
.minetest was deemed innocent yesterday. I suspect some difference in the way the cursor is configured. |
| 09:03 |
xavierg |
(that would indeed end up in some dotfiles) |
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xavierg |
Hmm, both sessions use the same cursor theme and afaict they have the same rendering. |
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xavierg |
To shed some light on the situation: I have two users on that machine. "xavier" is my historic user, with an atrocious history of dotfiles piling up years after years. |
| 09:07 |
xavierg |
Some time ago, I started writing SaltStack formulas to recreate "xavier"'s desktop in a clean, well-managed and reproducible way. |
| 09:08 |
xavierg |
I used a second user named "xaviert" (t for test) to test this clean setup. |
| 09:09 |
xavierg |
so, as a solution, I could probably migrate from "xavier" to "xaviert" right now and forget that issue. |
| 09:09 |
xavierg |
but, eh, I am sooooo curious to know what triggers the issue in the first place :') |
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pgimeno_ |
do you have some other software that captures the mouse, e.g. VirtualBox? |
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pgimeno_ |
running, I mean |
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xavierg |
nope |
| 09:16 |
xavierg |
Yesterday evening, I tried to run with as little side-software as possible to check that, but that gave no results. |
| 09:17 |
xavierg |
Therefore I am falling back on the following hypothesis : somewhere in my dotfiles is a damn directive that messes things up |
| 09:18 |
pgimeno_ |
after discarding the WM, I can only think of two potential culprits, the DE and X11 |
| 09:20 |
xavierg |
As you can guess from my SaltStack-related explanations, both users have the same DE, the same WM and run on the same machine (i.e. they share the same X.org/X11 stack) |
| 09:21 |
xavierg |
hence the "mystery dotfile" hypothesis. |
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pgimeno_ |
yeah, I was thinking DE configuration |
| 09:21 |
xavierg |
I mean: the same DE *AND* DE configuration |
| 09:22 |
pgimeno_ |
replacing the DE isn't so easy as replacing the WM, but maybe it's worth a shot |
| 09:22 |
xavierg |
well, yes and no |
| 09:22 |
xavierg |
since xaviert's minetest works perfectly using the same DE, same WM, same DE configuration and same WM configuration. |
| 09:22 |
xavierg |
I suspect a dotfile that would mess with X11 though |
| 09:23 |
xavierg |
I have just checked .Xresources and .Xdefaults |
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xavierg |
but that does not solve anything |
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xavierg |
I am going to create a third user |
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xavierg |
and done; I now have three users, all of them with LxQt+OpenBox; one has the default configuration provided by Debian and minetest works fine; one has my custom, SaltStack-controlled configuration and minetest works fine. |
| 09:28 |
xavierg |
One has my custom, SaltStack-controlled configuration + years of piled up dotfiles and does not work. |
| 09:28 |
xavierg |
It HAS to be something in my home :) |
| 09:29 |
xavierg |
That being said, I cannot afford to spend all day on this issue, I am supposed to achieve some work. I'll keep you updated :) |
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pgimeno_ |
I need to go as well. Good luck :) |
| 09:36 |
xavierg |
[10:28:39] < xavierg> It HAS to be something in my home :) |
| 09:36 |
xavierg |
Correction: is HAS to be a file specific to my user (e.g. it could also be some file under /var/lib) |
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xavierg |
Extraordinary. |
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xavierg |
My next experimentation consisted in replacing my home with a fresh, empty one then copying all dotfiles from the old home into it. |
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xavierg |
and guess what: with all the dotfiles from the home where minetest does not work... minetest works. |
| 12:03 |
xavierg |
so either there is some non-dotfile interfering (that would be a first, right?) or something weird happened within, say, .cache. |
| 12:03 |
xavierg |
of course, if I revert to the former home directory, minetest does not work. |
| 12:04 |
xavierg |
so at least we have something consistent here :D |
| 12:14 |
xavierg |
Ok, I think I have the culprit(s) |
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xavierg |
I just need a little more time to refine the diagnosis |
| 12:18 |
xavierg |
Aaaand fully diagnosed. |
| 12:20 |
xavierg |
in my .config/autostart, I have a configure-logitech-mouse.desktop that executes ~/bin/configure-logitech-mouse -- this explains that the issue required both dotfiles and non-dotfiles. |
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xavierg |
~/bin/configure-logitech-mouse is: |
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xavierg |
xinput --set-prop 'Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse' 'Coordinate Transformation Matrix' 1.600000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.600000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000 |
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xavierg |
modifying the coordinate transformation matrix of an input device is a convenient way to configure its behaviour but it (presumably) drives Irrlicht crazy :) |
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sfan5 |
make sure to post that in the issue |
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xavierg |
I am going to add all of this to the Github issue |
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xavierg |
I guess openbox was innocent all along. |
| 12:23 |
xavierg |
We can now make a Hollywood movie out of how we harassed it. |
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xavierg |
sfan5: Fixer: pgimeno_: rubenwardy: done: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4629#issuecomment-362253640 |
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MinetestBot |
[git] nekoswag -> minetest/minetestmapper: put color values in quotes cca7072 https://git.io/vNFv2 (2018-02-01T13:30:36Z) |
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MinetestBot |
ThomasMonroe: Feb-01 10:00 UTC <Megaf> hi |
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pgimeno_ |
xavierg: great! I do use xinput to adjust my mouse too, but I only adjust "Device Accel Constant Deceleration" so I never experienced that issue |
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rubenwardy |
Zyrou: I like it |
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rubenwardy |
where are you planning on putting each team? |
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rubenwardy |
Zyrou: I like it |
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rubenwardy |
where are you planning on putting each team? |
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Zyrou |
You see those red and blue glass buildings? |
| 17:24 |
Zyrou |
That was my thought but tbh you can put them wherever you wish |
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rubenwardy |
ah, I see |
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Zyrou |
Somewhere inside, whichever floors |
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rubenwardy |
looks good |
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rubenwardy |
they're missing stairs though |
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rubenwardy |
I guess that's in the todo? |
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ThomasMonroe |
lol |
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xavierg |
pgimeno_: yep, that makes sense; my laptop's touchpad is configured using synclient and properties so the issue was specific to my historic Unix user on my workstation. |
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blaise |
can we use tubes with technic reactor core yet? |
| 18:39 |
blaise |
no comment? |
| 18:40 |
ThomasMonroe |
not that i am aware of no |
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Krock |
blaise, comments may take hours on IRC |
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blaise |
hrmm |
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blaise |
werent they talking about integrating tubes for the nuclear reactor like 6 or 7 years ago? |
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progysm |
talking is not doing |
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blaise |
progysm: oh yeah? |
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Out`Of`Control |
hi |
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blaise |
helo |
| 20:19 |
blaise |
hello |
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blaise |
Viper: how are you? |
| 20:20 |
Viper |
good. how are you? |
| 20:23 |
blaise |
I'm well thanks.. |
| 20:25 |
Hijiri |
blaise: Problem that I imagine is that the reactor needs to be full to be on, and then it's hard to queue up more fuel rods for injection |
| 20:26 |
blaise |
yeah, only one water block can be missing for the hv cable |
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Hijiri |
two |
| 20:26 |
Hijiri |
right? |
| 20:27 |
blaise |
no, just one |
| 20:27 |
Hijiri |
oh |
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Hijiri |
but the other layers can have two missing |
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blaise |
if it was two, then a tube would be possible |
| 20:27 |
Hijiri |
other layer* |
| 20:27 |
blaise |
yeah, one for the cable and another as a man hole |
| 20:27 |
Hijiri |
one water block missing for the hv cable |
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blaise |
so you can climb in there and refuel it manually |
| 20:27 |
Hijiri |
or one water block missing for node breaker with bucket loaded |
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Hijiri |
:P |
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blaise |
say what? |
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Hijiri |
:I |
| 20:29 |
blaise |
sorry, I'm trying to design a centerfuge cascade |
| 20:29 |
blaise |
lmao |
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Hijiri |
something fancier than 34 centrifuges in a line? |
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Hijiri |
or was it 33 |
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blaise |
34 |
| 20:29 |
Hijiri |
ok |
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blaise |
and yeah, |
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blaise |
I dont wanna do the line dance thing |
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Hijiri |
one time I had a one centrifuge cascade |
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Hijiri |
but I never completed a 6 rod set |
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blaise |
HEH |
| 20:30 |
Hijiri |
I used luacontrollers and diglines to control which stacks got put in |
| 20:31 |
blaise |
I was thinking of using the teleport tubes.... idk though |
| 20:31 |
Hijiri |
teleport tubes are kind of expensive |
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blaise |
yeah |
| 20:32 |
Hijiri |
putting them in a line is already efficient unless you are trying to go for 34 centrifuges |
| 20:32 |
Hijiri |
I guess if you can remove the extra tubes you put for input on some centrifuges and just have the sorting tube directly output into the machine |
| 20:33 |
Hijiri |
or if you reduce the # of sorting tubes by combining the sorting of adjacent centrifuges |
| 20:33 |
Hijiri |
tubes are cheap though |
| 20:36 |
blaise |
I'm using same tube for input and output |
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Hijiri |
It never occurred to me to try that, I guess then you basically have the minimum number of needed things |
| 20:42 |
Hijiri |
except maybe if you want to try reducing the number of sorting tubes |
| 20:43 |
Hijiri |
you could put four centrifuges around a sorting tube and have the highest possible output go up, and the lowest go down |
| 20:43 |
Hijiri |
and the side direction just have the dusts corresponding to that centrifuge |
| 20:43 |
Hijiri |
oh wait, but do they need to be powered from the bottom |
| 20:43 |
Hijiri |
what would be neat is if you could just power them from the sides and have just stacks of centrifuges |
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Hijiri |
I think doing it this way would reduce the number of sorting tubes by a factor of 4 |
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Hijiri |
now I want to try it myself |
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Hijiri |
just tested, they need to be bottom-powered |
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Hijiri |
You could still have a wire efficient setup where you connect two centrifuges to each sorting tube |
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blaise |
Hijiri: I'm running into a problem where if the centerfuge is facing a different way it wont output |
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blaise |
I tried making a square array instead of in a straight line |
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blaise |
kinda screws the whole thing up |
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blaise |
was working fine till I went around a corner |
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blaise |
they'll go in but not out |
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blaise |
wtf |
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Hijiri |
blaise: the side it outputs from changes depending on which way it faces |
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Hijiri |
on one axis it is the left side otherwise it is the right size |
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Hijiri |
weird old technic bug |
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blaise |
omfg |
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* blaise |
attacks some old people with a rubber chicken |
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* blaise |
flips out |
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Hijiri |
it's pretty dumb |
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blaise |
aaaaand, it wont accept/send from the top |
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blaise |
great |
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