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meff |
are irrlicht's edit boxes used for the boxes in the minetest menus? |
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onlyabyte |
so.. what do we think about discord? :P |
| 01:00 |
onlyabyte |
oh and hiya! |
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adfeno |
onlyabyte: XMPP is better at least for one-to-one talks ;) |
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adfeno |
(if each person has Jingle (voice/video) enabled) |
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onlyabyte |
adfeno: agreed |
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meff |
I've resisted discord |
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meff |
IRC and Mumble reskins seem to be all the rage |
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meff |
XMPP on the phone is a sure way to suck your battery to 0 |
| 01:49 |
onlyabyte |
when you say that: "reskins", it all makes sense. it is a shame that lot of communities and even programs are using Discord though - I guess we all must resist |
| 01:51 |
adfeno |
meff: There is a good news: |
| 01:52 |
adfeno |
Some XMPP service providers have a XMPP extension (XEP) that enables Push notifications, which consumes less battery. |
| 01:53 |
adfeno |
I think this also became one of the recommended XEPs by the XMPP standards groups. |
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meff |
yeah I saw that XEP, but idk if XMPP is gonna have the momentum to go on with Matrix becoming a thing |
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* nepugia |
<-bridged agrees |
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meff |
onlyabyte: I know folks who work at Discord, and apparently their onboarding process is to throw new employees onto their codebase and they get fired if they take too long to understand it |
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meff |
some part of me is a bit anguished that a company that reskins IRC thinks of themselves so highly that they can do that |
| 01:58 |
meff |
but |
| 02:04 |
adfeno |
Matrix is agood solution but still relies solely on matrix.org |
| 02:05 |
adfeno |
the lack of free/libre software to connect to it in usable state also worries me. |
| 02:10 |
nepugia |
>Matrix is agood solution but still relies solely on matrix.org |
| 02:10 |
nepugia |
how so? |
| 02:11 |
nepugia |
if you meen for the specs... well yes, they made the specs... |
| 02:12 |
adfeno |
nepugia: Sorry, indeed you're right, it doesn't relly only on matrix.org. I just got conformation in other channel, they have a federated standard. ;) |
| 02:12 |
adfeno |
But the client issue remains ;) |
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nepugia |
matrix is federated per default, sure, a large number of users are on matrix.org currently |
| 02:13 |
nepugia |
usable clients are subjective imo |
| 02:13 |
nepugia |
i am using quaternion 99% of the time and it is working great for me |
| 02:13 |
onlyabyte |
well discord is simply a slack rip-off, i mean just look at both of them |
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* nepugia |
didnt look at either of them |
| 02:14 |
onlyabyte |
I hope for Riot to improve their UX and UI |
| 02:15 |
onlyabyte |
It's fine for people who are technically inclined but for the newbie, it isn't a good first impression. |
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nepugia |
lol |
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onlyabyte |
And, I find it hilarious that people take open-source tools and software and turn it into their cluster of proprietary mess (aka Discord) |
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nepugia |
i really dont see a correlation between technically inclined people and riot |
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adfeno |
onlyabyte: You are with me here, this is why I help at #fsf and do community oriented GPL enforcement (visit #fsf to know what it is, otherwise it getss offtopic) ;) |
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nepugia |
some UI issues need to be adressed sure, still its clearly more targeted at newbies |
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onlyabyte |
the FSF have their own channel here on freenode? |
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adfeno |
onlyabyte: Yep |
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onlyabyte |
Sweet |
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onlyabyte |
Is there like a channel to discuss privacy-related things? |
| 02:19 |
adfeno |
Not staff-only, people from all-around go there, even non-members. |
| 02:19 |
onlyabyte |
Oh nice, I'll be sure to check it out |
| 02:19 |
adfeno |
I'm glad you like it ;) |
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onlyabyte |
adfeno: what distro do you use if you don't mind me asking.. :P |
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adfeno |
I use Trisquel 7, and also I contribute to GNU Guix (package manager) by using it weekly to install some packages I need to keep updated. |
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adfeno |
I use and contribute to Trisquel by the wayy ;) |
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onlyabyte |
niice :D |
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onlyabyte |
you got anything librebooted/corebooted? |
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adfeno |
Hehehe... not yet, it's my dream though.... :) |
| 02:27 |
onlyabyte |
then hopefully you get one! |
| 02:27 |
onlyabyte |
what do you have currently? |
| 02:29 |
onlyabyte |
I'd want to get a librebooted device too but the X200 is pretty slow when it comes to bloated software of today. |
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adfeno |
I have this one: https://h-node.org/notebooks/view/en/1600/VAIO-VPCEG17FB |
| 02:36 |
onlyabyte |
pretty nice! |
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adfeno |
Yay! Been enduring my battles since 2011 ;) |
| 02:36 |
onlyabyte |
I wish I could replace my wifi card. Its not a problem but it uses proprietary drivers. |
| 02:37 |
onlyabyte |
Like the problem is not compatibility but rather the driver being proprietary ;)) |
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adfeno |
Actually, my mother stays with it until 2013, with Windows and all non-free software. Then after that I turn into a free/libre software user, and in 2016 an activist. ;) |
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adfeno |
onlyabyte: Do you have a spare USB port? |
| 02:38 |
onlyabyte |
Yeah |
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onlyabyte |
I could use a dongle but it's the silly BIOS whitelisting the cards |
| 02:39 |
onlyabyte |
I was considering a corebooted X230 for a while and run me_cleaner on it |
| 02:39 |
onlyabyte |
I have a ThinkPad X131e btw :) |
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adfeno |
Oh... *that* whitelist |
| 02:40 |
onlyabyte |
yeah |
| 02:40 |
onlyabyte |
you need to have a specific FRU |
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adfeno |
Digital Handcuff/Defective by Design... at its best :S |
| 02:41 |
onlyabyte |
haha yeah |
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onlyabyte |
Might consider those System76 laptops but I'm not sure about the build quality on those. |
| 02:42 |
onlyabyte |
Btw, I am greatful that this project (minetest) didn't go the proprietary chat route like LMMS did. |
| 02:44 |
adfeno |
Oh... that one is disappointing indeed. |
| 02:45 |
adfeno |
As my friend in contemporary economics says: keep the federation ;) |
| 02:45 |
adfeno |
.. if you break it, all the end-users loose in some way. |
| 02:46 |
onlyabyte |
Out of curiosity, what web browser do you use? |
| 02:49 |
onlyabyte |
I feel that Firefox has got out of hand but it seems to be the only main-stream browser. |
| 02:49 |
onlyabyte |
There is Pale Moon and of course Tor Browser too I suppose. |
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adfeno |
I'm a happy user of GNU IceCat, with either NoScript or GNU LibreJS enabled. Sometimes I also use EWW if I want to get more lightweight. ;) |
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adfeno |
EWW is another browser by the way. |
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onlyabyte |
Ah, I forgot about IceCat |
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onlyabyte |
I better check that one out |
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nepugia |
@adfeno, have you tried any matrix clients yet btw? most arent ready yet for most users, but if you have a bit tecnical knowledge good enough for daily use (well, good enough for my daily use anyway :3) |
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shangul |
rubenwardy, may I pm you? |
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rubenwardy |
sure |
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adfeno |
nepugia: I'm somewhat in the middle of non-tech and tech. |
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adfeno |
nepugia: But the issues I described are far from usability. |
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adfeno |
At #fsf we just "finished" a discussion about it (in quotes because discussions are never finished between mates, there is always room for revisiting something) |
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nepugia |
i was reffering to |
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nepugia |
>the lack of free/libre software to connect to it in usable state also worries me. |
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nepugia |
maybe define usable state then, since i think there are several that are already very usable, may need some polishing some have som ui issues, but in generall severall exist that can used nicely already |
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swift110-phone_ |
Hey guys |
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nepugia |
hello there |
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swift110-phone_ |
How are you nepugia |
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[git] lhofhansl -> minetest/minetest: Revert "Add an active object step time budget #6721" fad263d https://git.io/vNZ5l (2018-01-13T07:47:39Z) |
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dansndbx |
why is minetest dead on reddit? |
| 09:37 |
lumberJ |
seems to be several current conversations, but maybe less so because it has its own forum? don't know |
| 09:42 |
dansndbx |
could be, i was wondering cause the last "announcement" is 4 months old and there are not many comments at the last posted links. But it could have to do with the content ofc :D |
| 09:44 |
lumberJ |
about 0.5? |
| 09:45 |
lumberJ |
yeah, maybe. the minetest forums tend to be pretty active though |
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dansndbx |
yeah i checked them out yesterday |
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dansndbx |
its just this: every community has its own communication culture. i just need to fiure out the one fore minetest |
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lumberJ |
well, you more or less have. its mostly irc and the forums. |
| 09:48 |
lumberJ |
this is the general discussion channel. most of the core developer/major mod discussions happen on #minetest-hub |
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dansndbx |
i see |
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dansndbx |
i cut my next video now :) |
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lumberJ |
dan11? |
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frostsnow |
Hmm is it me or are my pine saplings failing to grow because the dirt under them is becoming dirt_with_snow? |
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pgimeno_ |
I'd guess pines can grow on dirt_with_snow |
| 10:20 |
frostsnow |
It's been weird ever since 0.4.16, some just refuse to grow. |
| 10:21 |
frostsnow |
Bluh, looking at minetest_game/mods/default/nodes.lua it isn't in the 'soil' group, which is what 'can_grow' checks. |
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pgimeno_ |
(I haven't tried myself, it's just a guess) |
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pgimeno_ |
uh |
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lumberJ |
you may be right, frostnow |
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pgimeno_ |
so, you have snowy pine forests, but you can't make a sapling grow there... |
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lumberJ |
what version are you playing on? |
| 10:23 |
frostsnow |
You *can*, but if the dirt changes to dirt_with_snow before the pine tree grows you're screwed. |
| 10:23 |
frostsnow |
You have to dig the dirt and re-plant the sapling and hope the issue doesn't happen again. |
| 10:23 |
frostsnow |
lumberJ: 0.4.16, as I said. |
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frostsnow |
I'll open a bug in GitHub |
| 10:23 |
frostsnow |
I'm not seeing it in here oddly |
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frostsnow |
I find pine trees are the best for wood :) |
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dansndbx |
depends on what you want to build, frotnow :) |
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lumberJ |
it looks like possibly they just forgot to add the soil group |
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lumberJ |
since it is in all the other "dirt_with" nodes |
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dansndbx |
but if it comes down to cost/result i think jungle is better (cause bigger tree) |
| 10:29 |
frostsnow |
dansndbx: You might actually be right, though that few I've harvested (not in a jungly area) were fairly short... thoguh you don't need to worry about snow killing the sapling (which can be worked-around by harvesting all the way up) |
| 10:29 |
frostsnow |
lumberJ: It makes sense that regular and jungle trees wouldn't grow on snowy dirt, though. |
| 10:30 |
lumberJ |
true |
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dansndbx |
or at least grow "slower" depending on the ground? |
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CWz |
for some reason my server no longer shows up on the server list |
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frostsnow |
I have a hard time imagining jungle trees growing on snowy soil at all :P |
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pgimeno_ |
for better realism, each kind of sapling could depend on temperature |
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lumberJ |
are you sure your router's ports are opened, CWz? |
| 10:32 |
CWz |
my server has been on for over a year and routers aren't an issue since it hosted |
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lumberJ |
i see. have you messed with your minetest.conf at all recently? |
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CWz |
no |
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lumberJ |
hosted as in someone hosts it for you or you have it on a vps that you have full access to? |
| 10:39 |
CWz |
I restarted the server which fixed the issue |
| 10:40 |
lumberJ |
got you |
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dansndbx |
next video almost done :) |
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dansndbx |
Its up: https://youtu.be/IhNc33VlG7Y - I hope you like it! Please give me some feedback :) |
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[git] srifqi -> minetest/minetest: Add confirmation on new player registration (#6849) 7927529 https://git.io/vNZx5 (2018-01-13T11:07:16Z) |
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shangul |
Hello, anyway to get copy of a book? |
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dansndbx |
My new video is online: https://youtu.be/IhNc33VlG7Y - if u like it please leave a comment :)! |
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[git] Ezhh -> minetest/minetest: Lua_api.txt: Add chat command params info 8349a3d https://git.io/vNnLR (2018-01-13T14:59:18Z) |
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jluc |
i dont comment on GAFAM sites but its nice |
| 15:25 |
t20kdc |
"GAFAM"? |
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jluc |
Google Amazon Facebook Apple Microsoft |
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pgimeno_ |
is it possible to make a solid vertical mesecon connection? |
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pgimeno_ |
I am trying to connect to an advtrains rail switch from the level immediately below |
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srifqi |
I think Mesecon has vertical mesecon which connects top and bottom. |
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pgimeno_ |
yes but it's not solid |
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pgimeno_ |
you fall through it |
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srifqi |
Then, no, I guess. |
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shangul |
Did I lose anything about my question? |
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srifqi |
What book, shangul? |
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shangul |
any book |
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shangul |
in minetest |
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t20kdc |
shangul: If you craft a blank book with a written book, the book is copied. |
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shangul |
t20kdc, aha, thanks |
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ButcherTibi |
/msg NickServ SETPASS ButcherTibi mxleitdqyqko DEVELOPERmein_00 |
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Calinou |
ButcherTibi: change your password! |
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red-001 |
yeah |
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red-001 |
Calinou, or login and out and choose a diffirent password this time |
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dansndbx |
My new video is online: https://youtu.be/IhNc33VlG7Y - if u like it please leave a comment :)! |
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Open_Future |
LIST #minetest |
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Open_Future |
how do I get reread a msg someone sent me |
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sfan5 |
unless your client saved it, you don't |
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adfeno |
There is a way |
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dansndbx |
hi |
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adfeno |
Open_Future sfan5: make people send a message to MemoServ, like so: /msg MemoServ send Open_Future Test. |
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adfeno |
Open_Future sfan5: This requires Open_Future to be a registered username with NickServ. |
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adfeno |
(NickServ is also a bot from chat.freenode.net --- the providers of this server ---, it's official just like MemoServ is). |
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dansndbx |
I uploaded a new minetest video: https://youtu.be/IhNc33VlG7Y - if u like it please leave a comment :)! |
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dansndbx |
Doing the next one, soon |
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nepugia |
@dansndbx your houses just keep getting smaller |
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red-001 |
Open_Future, if your client saves them just reopen the QUERY |
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[git] Hawk777 -> minetest-mods/mesecons: Limit and optimize digiline_send (#379) 2b096f0 https://git.io/vNn0t (2018-01-13T19:27:00Z) |
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Hawk777 |
Wait what? That was WIP! |
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numzero |
er? |
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numzero |
that is, I again did somethign wrong? |
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numzero |
I checked the code, it seemed correct |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Ezhh -> minetest/minetest: Lua_api.txt: Improve bullet point indentation consistency 5435b07 https://git.io/vNnEO (2018-01-13T19:37:17Z) |
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MinetestBot |
[git] srifqi -> minetest/minetest: Registration confirmation dialog: Fix grammar 670f8af https://git.io/vNnE3 (2018-01-13T19:30:34Z) |
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numzero |
Hawk777 |
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Hawk777 |
Oh, two things. First we had an outstanding conversation regarding whether to abort or clean (guess you were OK with cleaning), and second I didn’t realize you squashed, so I thought the messy history was included, but it wasn’t. |
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Hawk777 |
So it’s fine. |
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Hawk777 |
As long as you’re fine with cleaning instead of aborting. |
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numzero |
I’m fine with keeping cleaning for now |
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numzero |
because it was the way it worked before |
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Hawk777 |
Cool, thanks for the merge then! |
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stormchaser3000 |
yes i have made minecraft videos |
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stormchaser3000 |
oops |
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stormchaser3000 |
wrong channel |
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t20kdc |
Hawk777, numzero: \o/ less explodable stuff, finally! |
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Hawk777 |
It’s still explodable. Really that commit only fixed some easy stuff. Better though! |
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dansndbx |
I uploaded a minetest video: https://youtu.be/IhNc33VlG7Y - if u like it please leave a comment :)! |
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stormchaser3000 |
is there a way that i can change the fog colour when at or under a certain y position |
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stormchaser3000 |
? |
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paramat |
well .. |
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paramat |
fog takes on the colour of the sky, and you can set a custom skybox |
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paramat |
not sure if you can only change fog without changing the skybox, possibly |
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paramat |
see the mods that alter the skybox |
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paramat |
there are a few that alter per-player it according to y position |
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paramat |
*alter it per-player |
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paramat |
maybe setting a plain colour skybox with alpha set to transparent will alter fog colour, just a guess |
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rubenwardy |
no |
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rubenwardy |
well, I doubt it |
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rubenwardy |
fog is rendered on top of things to fade them out |
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rubenwardy |
so changing the skybox will cause things to go to the fog color then to the sky box |
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paramat |
i doubt it too |
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