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03:01	MinetestBot	[git] rubenwardy -> minetest/minetest_game: Separate player code into new mod 5d19fd6 https://git.io/v7BoX (2017-08-01T02:57:29Z)
03:01	MinetestBot	[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Lava cooling: Increase interval to 2 7ffd176 https://git.io/v7Bo1 (2017-08-01T02:57:10Z)
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07:01	hisforever	Hi everyone I'mhaving trouble with Digtron, How Do I get the digtron to make a turn using the Rotation axel?
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10:53	hello	hello
10:53	hello	when was minetest first released?
10:55	Krock	around july 2011: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/tag/0.2.20110731_3
10:55	hello	oh ok so after minecraft?
10:56	hello	also thanks
10:59	Krock	first commit is from Nov 2010.. about a year after minecraft
11:00	hello	oh, thanks
11:00	hello	also, could you please explain what irc is?
11:01	Krock	it's an abbreviation for internet relay chat
11:01	Krock	warning: iirc sants for "if i remember correctly"
11:01	Krock	*stands
11:02	hello	so it's sort of just a messaging service?
11:02	hello	like discord, but more simple?
11:02	XeonSquared	and a lot older
11:02	XeonSquared	and a lot saner
11:02	hello	saner?
11:02	LBPHacker	discord even has a compact mode which say #irc somewhere
11:02	hello	as in less people so you keep more sane?
11:02	hello	compact mode?
11:02	XeonSquared	yes, no web 3.0 everything is http stuff
11:03	LBPHacker	settings > appearance > message display > compact
11:03	hello	what does that do?
11:03	LBPHacker	uhm
11:03	LBPHacker	compacts messages
11:03	LBPHacker	try it lol
11:03	hello	ok
11:04	hello	so if I wanted to keep coming back here and messaging I would have to just access this site again? there's no way to make an account?
11:04	LBPHacker	there is a way to make an account
11:04	LBPHacker	type /msg nickserv help
11:04	Krock	see /msg NickServ help
11:04	Krock	aarg, these ninjas
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11:04	LBPHacker	lol sorry
11:05	hello	and i could use that across all things that use irc?
11:05	LBPHacker	nope, only on this server
11:05	LBPHacker	or
11:05	LBPHacker	network
11:05	LBPHacker	which is called freenode
11:05	LBPHacker	you're accessing webchat.freenode.net right now
11:05	LBPHacker	with your browser
11:05	hello	and should I be using a special client or program to access irc or can it all be done through the browser?
11:05	LBPHacker	you could access a dedicated client, yes
11:05	Krock	heh.. doing /whois lookups? :P
11:05	LBPHacker	and that's a lot cleaner
11:05	XeonSquared	you can do it through the browser but I dunno why you'd want to
11:06	hello	dunno why I'd want to what?
11:06	Krock	LBPHacker, s/browser/Firefox 54.0/
11:06	XeonSquared	use IRC through a browser
11:06	hello	why not?
11:06	XeonSquared	browsers are for browsing
11:06	LBPHacker	Krock: lol how
11:06	Krock	LBPHacker, using IRC
11:06	hello	so what should I use then?
11:07	Krock	hehe.. magic tricks :P
11:07	LBPHacker	mkay
11:07	XeonSquared	an IRC client :P
11:07	LBPHacker	unless...
11:07	Krock	Hexchat or icechat
11:07	Krock	or however the latter one was called
11:07	LBPHacker	oh lol ctcp returns browser version
11:07	hello	And then I can have all irc in one place?
11:07	LBPHacker	cute
11:07	Krock	LBPHacker, yeah. was pure luck that his web client sent that
11:07	LBPHacker	qwebirc iirc
11:08	hello	is that a special type of irc?
11:08	Krock	hello, various networks (like here, freenode) and channels (#minetest) in one application
11:08	LBPHacker	that's the name of the irc client you're using
11:08	LBPHacker	through the browser
11:08	Krock	don't scare him :P
11:08	LBPHacker	he asked :P
11:08	hello	idk if there's any point for me though, I don't really use this at all really
11:08	hello	i'll give it a think
11:09	hello	and a thonk
11:09	XeonSquared	well, if you stick around, a real client is nice
11:09	hello	can I use that add-on for my browser?
11:09	hello	chatzilla?
11:09	hello	that would save me downloading an actual program
11:09	Krock	no idea how good these browser add-ons are but you can give it a try
11:09	XeonSquared	I used that for a while, it was okay. Still part of the browser though. Also firefox addons are being removed within a year or two.
11:10	hello	i think it's made by mozilla so it should be legit
11:10	hello	yeah, I know
11:10	hello	I heard a lot of people are angry about it
11:10	XeonSquared	So Firefox can be the best Chrome clone on the market >.>
11:10	hello	:/
11:10	Krock	no, I don't want it as a chome clone because I don't have enough ram otherwise
11:10	LBPHacker	pfft
11:10	hello	can they just have both? these new webextensions and the old ones alongside each other?
11:11	LBPHacker	yeah valid reason actually
11:11	XeonSquared	Krock: Mozilla knows best don't question them
11:11	hello	krock i don't think it will use as much ram as chrome
11:11	XeonSquared	- mozilla, probably
11:11	Krock	hello, point is that chrome is known to use much ram, in exchange for fast page loading
11:11	hello	yeah
11:12	XeonSquared	the worst part is that there isn't anything better to switch to
11:12	XeonSquared	everything else is nonfree or chrome
11:12	Krock	wine iexplore.exe
11:12	hello	but firefox shouldn't use as much ram as chrome
11:12	hello	even with multiprocess
11:12	XeonSquared	it'll still be basically chrome
11:12	hello	hum, maybe
11:12	XeonSquared	non-customizable UI, no decent addons...
11:12	hello	i guess we'll have to wait and see
11:13	Krock	..how exactly is this all related to Minetest?
11:13	hello	what I don't get is why they can't just keep the old type of extensions while adding support for the new ones
11:13	hello	that way everybody would be happy
11:13	XeonSquared	Krock: Minetest -> IRC -> web IRC clients -> browsers
11:13	XeonSquared	:D
11:13	Krock	a long chain
11:14	XeonSquared	hello: I'd have no issue with that. It won't happen, though. :<
11:14	Krock	git reset --hard HEAD~3
11:14	LBPHacker	that'd kick hello
11:14	LBPHacker	well actually nah
11:14	hello	wait, sorry if I wasn't meant to speak about stuff not related to minetest
11:14	hello	i'm just curious
11:14	Krock	LBPHacker, no but you're on a good way
11:14	Krock	it's like he never came
11:14	hello	good way?
11:15	LBPHacker	to being kicked apparently .-.
11:15	hello	me?
11:15	XeonSquared	wasn't much happening before this started so \o/
11:15	hello	why would I gegt kicked?
11:15	hello	get
11:15	LBPHacker	nah, me
11:15	hello	ohh
11:15	hello	peak
11:16	hello	um
11:16	LBPHacker	or I misunderstood completely and Krock meant I was almost correct
11:16	hello	is it weird if I get minetest before properly playing minecraft?
11:16	XeonSquared	not overly
11:16	Krock	hello, welcome to the club of those who never actually played minecraft
11:16	hello	i wanted to get minecraft on ps3 but I lost my controller lol
11:16	hello	sad times
11:16	XeonSquared	meh, you would've gotten one of the worse versions anyway
11:16	hello	really?
11:16	hello	why's that?
11:17	hello	i thought they were all the same
11:17	XeonSquared	as far as minecraft goes, you want the java version because it has real modding support
11:17	XeonSquared	and more content
11:17	hello	is ps3 the same as xbox 360
11:17	hello	the versions
11:17	Krock	since when does minecraft support modding? what you do there is patching.
11:17	XeonSquared	I think everything not-java uses the same source tree
11:17	XeonSquared	Krock: true enough
11:17	XeonSquared	delete META-INF
11:17	hello	wait, what content do you get on pc that you don't get on ps/xbox?
11:18	Krock	minetset ^
11:18	hello	minetset??
11:18	Krock	Minetest, but with typos
11:18	hello	[12:17] <XeonSquared> as far as minecraft goes, you want the java version because it has real modding support [12:17] <XeonSquared> and more content
11:19	hello	what's the missing content?
11:19	XeonSquared	uh, any dimensions other than the overworld
11:19	XeonSquared	a bunch of mobs
11:19	XeonSquared	probably lots of blocks
11:19	XeonSquared	but eh, minecraft is meh
11:19	hello	oh so you can't go to the fire place with demons and shit
11:19	hello	?
11:19	hello	(excuse my ignorance)
11:19	XeonSquared	that was the case last I tried
11:19	* XeonSquared	shrugs
11:19	XeonSquared	just play minetest tho :P
11:20	hello	i might get minecraft when I get my controller back
11:20	hello	i'll probably get mintest in the meantime
11:20	hello	and i'll consider how useful it would be for me to get and irc client
11:20	hello	considering that everyone's on discord these days
11:20	hello	or other platforms
11:20	* XeonSquared	is not on discord
11:20	* Krock	neither
11:20	XeonSquared	hey uh, did 0.4.16 add proper controller support?
11:21	XeonSquared	was a bit flaky in 0.4.15
11:21	hello	how do you do that * thing
11:21	XeonSquared	/me
11:21	* hello	is dead
11:21	hello	noice
11:21	Krock	well, rubenwardy_ once worked on the controller code once. I believe there hasn't much changed since it was added the first time
11:21	hello	i'm gonna restart my browser to check out chatzilla. brb.
11:22	XeonSquared	ah okay, I'll poke it to see if I can get it working properly
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11:23	hello	what does the "auth to services" tickbox do?
11:24	hello	also it sucks that I can't see past chat
11:24	XeonSquared	there's ways around that but \o/
11:24	sfan5	that authenticates you with nickserv
11:24	hello	i literally have no idea what i'm doing
11:24	hello	i've downloaded chatzilla but idk how to use it
11:25	XeonSquared	open it up, connect to freenode, /join #minetest
11:25	Krock	watch a youtube tutorial. there are plenty
11:25	hello	i've found some instructions on their site
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11:26	hello	are you guys super into open-source software then?
11:27	Krock	what exactly do you mean?
11:28	hello	well
11:29	hello	never mind
11:31	hello	tbh this site looks better than chatzilla
11:31	XeonSquared	Chatzilla blends with your OS. Go figure
11:31	hello	blends?
11:32	hello	if you mean the fonts and stuff...
11:32	XeonSquared	It's meant to fit in with your other applications and with your OS.
11:32	hello	...the font is different
11:32	XeonSquared	That's configurable.
11:32	hello	oh, ok
11:32	Krock	go to the settings and change it to "Comic Sans MS"
11:32	XeonSquared	^
11:32	hello	haha
11:32	XeonSquared	or wingdings, if it's availabler
11:33	XeonSquared	s/r$//
11:33	hello	does this place use "monospace"? that looks the closest to this
11:33	XeonSquared	sounds about right
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11:33	XeonSquared	windows has nicer monospace fonts though
11:34	hello	let me know if i'm annoying you guys
11:34	XeonSquared	or not, maybe I'm thinking of XP
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11:36	hello	can you guys tell me how i can join an irc channel so i can ask in irc help instead of bothering you guys?
11:36	XeonSquared	/join #channel
11:36	Krock	I prefer IRC with monospace but you may use any font
11:36	Krock	usually you can also click on the channel link to join it
11:36	Krock	right click, left click - depends on your client
11:37	hello	trying to join this thing http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/credit.html
11:37	Krock	well then, /join #IRChelp
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11:43	XeonSquared	oh there's an xbox setting
11:43	XeonSquared	... which makes my controller not respond. fun.
11:44	XeonSquared	yeah okay not working
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11:50	Gregory	guys, i'm hello
11:50	Gregory	i just joined with my client
11:51	XeonSquared	yay
11:51	Gregory	i tried leaving messages in all three irc help channels but no response
11:52	XeonSquared	how long did you wait?
11:53	Gregory	um
11:53	Gregory	at a guess
11:53	Gregory	it's been like 10-15 minutes?
11:53	XeonSquared	not very long
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11:53	Gregory	there's no timestamps so I can't remember
11:54	Gregory	oh wait, I found how to see the timestamp
11:54	Gregory	the first was like 15 minutes ago
11:54	Gregory	then I joined the other two
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12:21	Gregory	guys
12:21	Gregory	am I right to tick "disable DPI scaling" for minetest?
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12:27	Krock	use the try&error method
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12:29	Gregory	i tried to join a server but it was glitched out
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12:47	Gregory	do I need to create an account to be able to join most servers?
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13:00	Krock	Spock!
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13:26	Gregory	3
13:26	Gregory	spock
13:26	Gregory	A way of referring to a highly intelligent and calm person. Usually a compliment.
13:26	Gregory	"Wow, that guy is a real Spock, I thought he'd never be able to finish that code in time."
13:26	Gregory	by Athene Airheart March 14, 2004
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17:38	GreenDimond	Wuzzy: You are here! I need to figure out what I needed help with and then if you are ready that would be great
17:39	Wuzzy	O HAI
17:39	Wuzzy	I CAN HAZ DAIMONDZ?
17:39	GreenDimond	SUR
17:40	GreenDimond	HUR YOO GOH https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wnT8zo3QP9A/maxresdefault.jpg
17:41	Wuzzy	OHNOMNOM
17:42	GreenDimond	Alright I think I am ready now
17:42	shalmezad	So close to http://lolcode.org/, just a couple syntax errors here and there. :P
17:42	GreenDimond	Amazing..
17:43	DS-minetest	looks interesting
17:43	Wuzzy	It's LOLSPEAK but whatever
17:43	GreenDimond	Wuzzy, you ready? Or are you still munching on diamonds?
17:43	Wuzzy	whats up
17:43	Wuzzy	talk
17:43	GreenDimond	Alright
17:44	GreenDimond	So I am making double chests for farlands
17:44	GreenDimond	And I would like to make them use the new open chest models
17:44	GreenDimond	And I used your code from MCL2
17:44	GreenDimond	and butchered it up
17:44	GreenDimond	https://gist.github.com/GreenXenith/6e6f075aec63b2b024cea07f7b0af744
17:44	GreenDimond	It don't work
17:45	Wuzzy	chests are 100% static non-animated in MCL2
17:45	GreenDimond	I am aware
17:45	Wuzzy	idk if i can help
17:45	DS-minetest	!mod connected_chests
17:45	MinetestBot	DS-minetest: connected chests [connected_chests] by Hybrid Dog - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10264
17:46	GreenDimond	DS-minetest, I already have chests that connect
17:46	GreenDimond	The problem is getting them to open
17:46	DS-minetest	is the only good doublechestmod i know
17:46	DS-minetest	hmm
17:46	Wuzzy	can you already access the formspec?
17:46	GreenDimond	Um.
17:46	GreenDimond	Its the wrong formspec I think
17:46	GreenDimond	Oh
17:46	GreenDimond	First off
17:47	GreenDimond	when I place 2 chests next to each other nothing happens
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17:48	Wuzzy	aha
17:51	GreenDimond	aha?
17:55	Wuzzy	i dont know why
17:55	Wuzzy	what have u tried to debug this?
17:55	GreenDimond	I dont think I have
17:56	Wuzzy	ah i think i found the problem, probably
17:56	Wuzzy	you use default.register_chest
17:56	GreenDimond	I think I have to?
17:56	Wuzzy	and default.register_chest just overwrites on_construct
17:56	GreenDimond	ohh...
17:57	GreenDimond	what should I do then?
17:57	Wuzzy	first, look at what default.register_chest does
17:57	Wuzzy	then compare it with the def you feed it
17:57	Wuzzy	look what happens to on_construct
17:58	Wuzzy	i believe you did this def.on_whatever thing to set default values. right?
17:58	GreenDimond	which def. ?
17:58	Wuzzy	anything
17:58	Wuzzy	you set def.on_whatever many times
17:58	Wuzzy	explicitly
17:58	Wuzzy	in the register_chest function
17:58	Wuzzy	and the actual on_whatever values just get overwritten
17:59	Wuzzy	for example on_construct
17:59	GreenDimond	I didnt set those
17:59	Wuzzy	so it uses whatever on_construct you used in register_chest. always
17:59	GreenDimond	Those are part of default
17:59	Wuzzy	omg
17:59	Wuzzy	line 105
17:59	GreenDimond	At least I think they are
17:59	Wuzzy	line 105!
18:00	GreenDimond	That is part of default
18:00	Wuzzy	what do you mean by that?
18:00	Wuzzy	it is your nodes.lua
18:00	Wuzzy	so you want to edit it, right?
18:00	GreenDimond	sigh
18:01	Wuzzy	well if you want to modify chests you have to change default anyway, right?
18:01	GreenDimond	correct
18:01	Wuzzy	or just rip it out completely like I did for MCL2
18:01	Wuzzy	btw this step totally paid off
18:01	Wuzzy	default is awful
18:02	Wuzzy	so it looks like you must change default.register_chest
18:02	Wuzzy	otherwise you will always lose whatever on_construct you feed this function
18:03	GreenDimond	ok..
18:03	Wuzzy	this function ALWAYS overwrites on_construct
18:03	Wuzzy	do you want to be compatible with something?
18:03	GreenDimond	how so
18:03	GreenDimond	I am so confused right now sorry
18:04	Wuzzy	well. How much is compability with Minetest Game a concern here?
18:04	GreenDimond	I want to be able to make 2 chests become a large chest and make that large chest have the opening animation ._.
18:04	GreenDimond	This isn't even Minetest Game
18:04	GreenDimond	this is Farlands
18:04	GreenDimond	As far as I am concerned I am not going to release this as a mod for MTG
18:04	Wuzzy	Great
18:05	Wuzzy	so we can completely ignore MTG compability
18:05	Wuzzy	yes!!
18:05	GreenDimond	Glad you are excited
18:05	Wuzzy	well, then just go ahead and fix default.register_chest
18:05	Wuzzy	did you write this function or is this an artifact from MTG?
18:05	GreenDimond	I told you already ._.
18:05	GreenDimond	Part of MTG
18:05	Wuzzy	unmodified?
18:06	GreenDimond	no
18:06	GreenDimond	I had to modify it to work for big chests
18:06	GreenDimond	oh wait
18:06	Wuzzy	did you modify default.register_chest already or is it left untouched?
18:06	GreenDimond	I am looking at the wrong function facepalm
18:06	Wuzzy	not that it matters much
18:06	Wuzzy	line 105 nodes.lua
18:07	GreenDimond	I changed 84 to 96 :P
18:07	Wuzzy	there is a facepalm smiley:
18:07	Wuzzy	it goes like this
18:07	Wuzzy	m(
18:07	GreenDimond	hm..
18:07	GreenDimond	I like facepalm better
18:07	Wuzzy	xD
18:07	DS-minetest	!c 8*4
18:07	MinetestBot	32
18:07	DS-minetest	!c 9*6
18:07	MinetestBot	54
18:07	Wuzzy	!c 7*4
18:07	MinetestBot	28
18:08	GreenDimond	Actually I changed 2 84's to 96's
18:08	GreenDimond	make that 3
18:08	Wuzzy	do you understand the problem with this function now?
18:08	GreenDimond	but thats all minor edits
18:08	DS-minetest	!c 13*5
18:08	MinetestBot	65
18:09	GreenDimond	!c 1937/38576475639+3757-32857/43
18:09	GreenDimond	heh
18:09	GreenDimond	chew on that
18:09	GreenDimond	xD
18:09	GreenDimond	!c 9+10
18:09	GreenDimond	o_O
18:09	Wuzzy	bc calculates this in way under 0.1s
18:09	Wuzzy	-20885
18:09	GreenDimond	!c 1*3
18:10	GreenDimond	I think I broke it
18:10	Wuzzy	haahahaha you killed MinetetBot
18:10	GreenDimond	success
18:10	DS-minetest	don't abuse MinetestBot :(
18:10	DS-minetest	hmm
18:10	GreenDimond	It was an accidental kill xD
18:10	GreenDimond	Wuzzy: Wat do?
18:10	Wuzzy	do you understand the problem with this function now?
18:10	DS-minetest	normally she doesn't do such big things
18:11	GreenDimond	Not really?
18:11	Wuzzy	for the third time
18:11	GreenDimond	You didn't say anything
18:11	Wuzzy	it overwrites your def values you feed into it
18:11	GreenDimond	oh yeah
18:11	Wuzzy	you feed a def into it
18:11	GreenDimond	Yep
18:11	GreenDimond	It overwrites on_construct and on_destruct I get it
18:12	Wuzzy	what you could do is to first check if def.on_construct is nil. if it is nil, allow it to overwrite. if it is not nil, do NOT let it overwrite
18:12	Wuzzy	repeat for all other def values
18:12	GreenDimond	Yeah
18:12	GreenDimond	all of them?
18:12	GreenDimond	alright
18:12	Wuzzy	it would be better i think
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18:13	Wuzzy	that way, you could feed it an empty table then it just gets default values
18:13	Wuzzy	not sure if it would work right now
18:13	Wuzzy	but the idea is that the overwrites become default values
18:13	GreenDimond	how do I check if the def is nil? if def.on_construct = nil then def.on_construct blablabla else def.onconstruct = {}
18:13	Wuzzy	well, at least perform the check for all values you actually feed into the function
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18:13	GreenDimond	no I did that way wrong
18:14	Wuzzy	x == nil
18:14	Wuzzy	thats all
18:14	GreenDimond	.?
18:14	GreenDimond	Just put a x == nil ?
18:14	Wuzzy	if x is nil, this evaluates to true
18:14	GreenDimond	what is x?
18:14	Wuzzy	if x is non-nil, it evaulates to true
18:14	Wuzzy	false*
18:14	Wuzzy	just a placeholder
18:15	GreenDimond	so x would be on_construct (or whatever def)
18:15	Wuzzy	ANYTHING == nil checks if ANYTHING equals nil
18:15	GreenDimond	So what if its not nil?
18:16	Wuzzy	I think you should really beef up your Lua basics. The == operator is very basic stuff
18:16	Wuzzy	false of course
18:16	GreenDimond	I know what == os
18:16	GreenDimond	*is
18:16	GreenDimond	I just didnt know if false was the correct thing to put
18:16	GreenDimond	I know lua basics
18:16	GreenDimond	just not the minetest api :/
18:16	Wuzzy	well you should also know that nil is a first-class value
18:16	GreenDimond	yep
18:16	Wuzzy	like basically anything else
18:16	Wuzzy	and a check against nil is really just simple as that
18:16	Wuzzy	just an equality check
18:17	Wuzzy	this has nothing to do with Minetest
18:17	GreenDimond	so I have
18:17	GreenDimond	if on_construct = nil then def.on blablabla function here end else on_construct = false ..?
18:17	Wuzzy	if def.whatever == nil then --[[ DO OVERWRITE ]] else --[[ SET def.whatever ]] end
18:17	GreenDimond	oh def.
18:18	Wuzzy	i hope you get the idea
18:18	GreenDimond	alright
18:18	Wuzzy	this was more like pseudocode :D
18:18	GreenDimond	I get everything except
18:18	GreenDimond	how do I set the def to whatever I define it as?
18:18	Wuzzy	the idea is, if the value is nil, this means you didnt feed it into the function. so you can set the "default"
18:18	GreenDimond	I know what it does!
18:19	GreenDimond	Geez!
18:19	Wuzzy	but if it is non-nil, it means you put it into the function call, so u use that instead
18:19	GreenDimond	:\|
18:19	Wuzzy	what do u mean with that question
18:19	GreenDimond	else --[[ SET def.whatever ]] end
18:19	GreenDimond	do I set it as a table {} or what?
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18:20	GreenDimond	else def.on_construct == ...
18:20	Wuzzy	that would be def.on_construct = d.on_construct
18:20	GreenDimond	ah
18:20	GreenDimond	that makes sense
18:20	Wuzzy	because d is the original unchanged parameter. see header
18:20	Wuzzy	well. you could also go for the very simple solution.
18:20	GreenDimond	whats the difference?
18:21	Wuzzy	just nuke everything and just register the node directly
18:21	GreenDimond	nah
18:21	GreenDimond	welll
18:21	GreenDimond	hmmmm
18:21	GreenDimond	no
18:21	Wuzzy	ok
18:21	GreenDimond	because then I would have to figure out how to open the model
18:21	Wuzzy	ah, this is already in there
18:22	Wuzzy	I suggest you first just fix this for on_construct and test if it works
18:22	GreenDimond	thats what I am doing
18:22	GreenDimond	and failing
18:22	Wuzzy	post code
18:23	Wuzzy	if it works, start replacing the other on_ functions. at least those you need to define explicitly
18:24	GreenDimond	Wuzzy: https://gist.github.com/GreenXenith/bf05afd3e15a3374827782b3c682ec8f
18:25	Wuzzy	if def.on_construt == nil then
18:25	Wuzzy	typo
18:25	GreenDimond	oh
18:25	Wuzzy	thats why I don't like Lua much
18:25	GreenDimond	oh boy the chests connect now
18:25	Wuzzy	in other languages it won't even let you run the program
18:25	Wuzzy	with an obvious typo like this
18:26	GreenDimond	sheesh
18:26	Wuzzy	well i blame Lua, not you
18:26	GreenDimond	alright
18:26	GreenDimond	now for the other part
18:26	GreenDimond	how does one make chest open..?
18:26	Wuzzy	if its about animations, I'm out
18:26	Wuzzy	oops
18:26	GreenDimond	nope
18:26	GreenDimond	just switching models
18:27	Wuzzy	look what MTG does?
18:27	GreenDimond	Hrmmmmmmmm
18:27	GreenDimond	I think nuking the on_construct messed up the model switching
18:27	Wuzzy	i doubt it
18:27	GreenDimond	ohhh
18:28	Wuzzy	you are only replacing 4 lines and they just set meta stuff
18:28	GreenDimond	minetest.swap_node(pos, {
18:28	GreenDimond	name = "default:" .. name .. "_open",
18:28	GreenDimond	Its not named that I think
18:28	Wuzzy	sorry forget what I said
18:28	GreenDimond	thats in a def.on_rightclick
18:28	GreenDimond	oh
18:28	GreenDimond	first
18:28	GreenDimond	let me add that thing to the rest of the defs
18:29	Wuzzy	GreenDimond: about this replacing ting
18:30	Wuzzy	how often do you need default.register_chest?
18:30	Wuzzy	i mean what kind of other chests do u plan?
18:30	GreenDimond	I am not going to nuke the whole thing dude..
18:30	GreenDimond	There are already 2 other kinds of chest
18:30	Wuzzy	you dont have to
18:30	Wuzzy	such as?
18:30	GreenDimond	I would think they should stay
18:30	GreenDimond	Just normal type chests
18:30	Wuzzy	such as????
18:30	GreenDimond	a bamboo chest I think
18:30	Wuzzy	just dufferent skins?
18:30	GreenDimond	pretty much
18:30	Wuzzy	should they all be double chests?
18:31	GreenDimond	no
18:31	GreenDimond	no no nonono
18:31	Wuzzy	why not?
18:31	GreenDimond	because that wasnt in the contract
18:31	GreenDimond	and its not necessary
18:31	GreenDimond	but
18:31	GreenDimond	it would be cool
18:31	GreenDimond	I guess
18:31	GreenDimond	I can always ask
18:31	Wuzzy	so,, only the "normal" chest can be large, but the other ones not
18:32	GreenDimond	Well first off, I am not making a large locked chest.
18:32	GreenDimond	we already decided that
18:32	Wuzzy	why not?
18:32	GreenDimond	Because its way more work.. is it not?
18:32	GreenDimond	Unless you have some magical fancy way of doing it up your digital sleeve
18:33	Wuzzy	so there is no gameplay rationale whatsoever to not have large variants of the other type chests
18:33	GreenDimond	sigh
18:33	GreenDimond	Fine
18:33	GreenDimond	If it is not too much of a hassle
18:33	Wuzzy	well its your game, you decide
18:33	GreenDimond	actually it really isnt xD
18:34	GreenDimond	toby and D00Med own it xD
18:34	GreenDimond	Im just a contributer :P
18:34	Wuzzy	well if you already agreed on NOT having a large locked chest, just forget it
18:34	GreenDimond	personally, I think it would be nice to have big chests of all types, but I thought it would be difficult
18:34	Wuzzy	long story short, only "normal" chest is large
18:35	GreenDimond	If you know a way it isnt difficult to make all chests large, then I will make them all large
18:35	GreenDimond	but chests are the least of my todo list
18:35	GreenDimond	https://github.com/D00Med/farlands/issues/87#issuecomment-303241260
18:36	Wuzzy	well lets not bother with this for now
18:36	Wuzzy	its more important to get chests to work in te first place
18:36	GreenDimond	I just need to get the chest model working
18:37	GreenDimond	Then when I am done with a good bulk of other stuff, I can try the other chests.
18:38	Wuzzy	but its definitely not out of reach for large chests of all types. you would want to move all the â€œlarge chestâ€ code into default.register_chest. It's work, of course and I wouldn't do it until at least normal chests work perfectly
18:38	Wuzzy	it could be tricky if chests need different features, like locked v non-locked
18:38	Wuzzy	but as i said, lets focus on normal chest now
18:38	GreenDimond	yeah
18:39	Wuzzy	whats the problem with models?
18:39	GreenDimond	they dont open
18:39	Wuzzy	do you have models ready for the two "halves" ready?
18:40	GreenDimond	its just the default model
18:40	GreenDimond	thats all I need
18:40	Wuzzy	oh wait
18:40	Wuzzy	default model is alreay 1 wide, right?
18:40	GreenDimond	Heres the strange part
18:40	Wuzzy	but it may look strange in the middle
18:40	GreenDimond	I have a way to fix that
18:40	GreenDimond	leave that to me xD
18:40	Wuzzy	ok
18:41	GreenDimond	Heres the strange thing
18:41	GreenDimond	If I place a chest_left or chest_right (from giveme), they do use the model (can open/close). However, the default chest does not, and neither does a big chest.
18:42	Wuzzy	welll
18:42	Wuzzy	def.on_rightclick
18:43	Wuzzy	hmmm when i think about it
18:43	GreenDimond	oh yeah
18:43	GreenDimond	I was in the middle of adding that def thing when you asked that
18:44	Wuzzy	have you committed already?
18:44	GreenDimond	huh?
18:44	GreenDimond	I haven't changed the gist yet
18:44	Wuzzy	do you use version control?
18:45	GreenDimond	We are talking about GitHub right?
18:45	Wuzzy	no, Git
18:45	GreenDimond	Oh
18:45	GreenDimond	Um
18:45	GreenDimond	No idea
18:45	Wuzzy	then no
18:45	GreenDimond	'V1' isnt released yet? :P
18:45	Wuzzy	you just edit on the raw file then, right?
18:45	Wuzzy	ok
18:45	GreenDimond	I am editing my local copy
18:46	GreenDimond	OK I added the def stuff but it still dont work
18:46	Wuzzy	when i think about it...
18:46	GreenDimond	minetest.swap_node(pos, {
18:46	GreenDimond	name = "default:" .. name .. "_open",
18:47	Wuzzy	i dont know why we need all this implicity def.on_whatever setting in register_chest
18:47	GreenDimond	?
18:47	Wuzzy	since you already set all of this explicitly in the call
18:47	Wuzzy	if you just comment the section with all the def.on_whatever setting out...
18:48	Wuzzy	then you just keep the values fed into the functions because it was copied from d
18:48	GreenDimond	?
18:48	GreenDimond	what is that supposed to do?
18:48	Wuzzy	i suppose you want to always set on_construct explicitly
18:48	GreenDimond	I thought we were trying to get the chests to work?
18:49	Wuzzy	if you comment the entire section from if def.protected then to def.on_blast = function(pos) out your code should be very simplified
18:50	Wuzzy	its good to dump code which is never really run
18:50	Wuzzy	but just comment it out first, not delete it
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18:51	GreenDimond	ik ik
18:51	Wuzzy	you might want to keep the key functions
18:51	Wuzzy	on_key_use and on_skeleton_key_use
18:52	GreenDimond	ehm
18:52	GreenDimond	the locked chest broke
18:52	GreenDimond	because I commented out the locked part
18:53	Wuzzy	post code
18:53	GreenDimond	?
18:53	Wuzzy	oh crap
18:53	Wuzzy	you set nothing explicitly in chest_locked
18:53	GreenDimond	that is correct
18:53	GreenDimond	No need to
18:53	Wuzzy	this means you need the entire sectin inside the protected branch
18:54	Wuzzy	ok forget my out-commenting. this was silly
18:54	GreenDimond	k
18:54	Wuzzy	and show me the code then
18:54	GreenDimond	Just refresh the page?
18:55	Wuzzy	ok
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18:56	Wuzzy	oops
18:56	Wuzzy	else
18:56	Wuzzy	def.on_construct = d.on_construct
18:56	Wuzzy	end
18:56	Wuzzy	this else thing is actually nonsense
18:56	Wuzzy	it actually does nothing, really
18:56	GreenDimond	?
18:56	Wuzzy	because def.on_construct is ALREADY having this value
18:56	Wuzzy	because it was copied from d long ago
18:56	GreenDimond	I am so confuzzled
18:56	GreenDimond	wat do
18:56	GreenDimond	remove the else stuff?
18:57	Wuzzy	i show you what happens:
18:57	Wuzzy	def = table.copy(d)
18:57	Wuzzy	wait
18:57	Wuzzy	assume that def.on_construct is set
18:57	BakerPrime	wow, this channel is busy
18:57	Wuzzy	then function gets called
18:57	Wuzzy	def = table.copy(d)
18:57	Wuzzy	--lots of code later
18:58	Wuzzy	if def.on_construct then
18:58	Wuzzy	-- this part gets skipped
18:58	Wuzzy	else
18:58	Wuzzy	-- gets executed
18:58	* BakerPrime	was watching from another IRC.
18:58	Wuzzy	def.on_construct = d.on_construct
18:58	Wuzzy	end
18:58	GreenDimond	mhmm..
18:58	GreenDimond	so..
18:58	GreenDimond	now what?
18:58	Wuzzy	in other words the last statement is just like a = a
18:58	Wuzzy	so pointless
18:59	GreenDimond	ook
18:59	GreenDimond	so
18:59	GreenDimond	remove that part?
18:59	Wuzzy	yes
18:59	Wuzzy	for hte other 3 or 2, too of course
18:59	Wuzzy	they are pointless
18:59	GreenDimond	but leave the if def.bla = nil then
18:59	Wuzzy	YES
18:59	BakerPrime	Wuzzy: *the?
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19:03	Wuzzy	GreenDimond: now waht happens if you rightclick? formspec opens, chest doesn't?
19:03	Wuzzy	chest model*
19:03	GreenDimond	correct
19:03	GreenDimond	I am fighting with the locked chest formspec but I can deal with that later
19:03	Wuzzy	hmm i would now say look at what the debug menu says but you cant look cuz formspec
19:04	GreenDimond	theres a debug menu???
19:04	Wuzzy	debug menu always tells you which node you point
19:04	Wuzzy	not really a menu
19:04	Wuzzy	just a screen
19:04	Wuzzy	F5
19:04	GreenDimond	oh you mean F5?
19:04	GreenDimond	oh I can still see it
19:04	Wuzzy	right
19:04	GreenDimond	actually
19:04	GreenDimond	the formspec is too big xD
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19:04	Wuzzy	you must look what node name it shows
19:04	GreenDimond	but it doesnt change when I open it
19:05	GreenDimond	it shows default:chest_right
19:05	Wuzzy	if it still says default:chest then that s the problem
19:05	GreenDimond	even when I open it
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19:05	Wuzzy	ah, but it must be default:chest_right_open
19:05	Wuzzy	thats the problem
19:05	GreenDimond	doesn't it create it's own default:chest_right_open?
19:05	GreenDimond	scratch that it DOES make its on default:chest_right_open
19:06	GreenDimond	because I have one sitting right over here
19:06	GreenDimond	but I got that from giveme
19:06	GreenDimond	not on_construct
19:06	Wuzzy	so...
19:06	Wuzzy	if you have default:chest_right placed by giveme
19:07	Wuzzy	this "half" opens correctlY?
19:07	Wuzzy	cool
19:07	GreenDimond	correct
19:07	GreenDimond	BTW
19:07	GreenDimond	if we get this working
19:07	Wuzzy	what happens if you place both chest_right and chest_left manually?
19:07	GreenDimond	I can send you my code to add to MCL2
19:07	GreenDimond	um
19:07	GreenDimond	it looks like a big chest
19:07	GreenDimond	but
19:07	GreenDimond	I have to test to see if the meta is shared
19:07	GreenDimond	I doubt it tho
19:07	Wuzzy	probably not
19:07	Wuzzy	just testing an idea
19:07	GreenDimond	oh
19:08	GreenDimond	inventory doesnt exist
19:08	GreenDimond	imagine that
19:08	Wuzzy	hmm where can I eownload the whole thing so I can test? its hard to test without anything to run? :D
19:08	GreenDimond	https://github.com/D00Med/farlands
19:09	GreenDimond	download that
19:09	GreenDimond	um
19:09	GreenDimond	well
19:09	Wuzzy	and I can apply your gist right on top of that?
19:09	GreenDimond	no
19:09	GreenDimond	its more complicated then that
19:09	Wuzzy	;-(
19:09	GreenDimond	erm
19:09	GreenDimond	hm
19:09	GreenDimond	let
19:09	GreenDimond	me
19:09	GreenDimond	zip up my version and send that to ya
19:09	GreenDimond	less work for you
19:10	Wuzzy	well i only have to change nodes.lua then, right?
19:10	GreenDimond	erm
19:10	GreenDimond	I dont remember
19:10	GreenDimond	I know you need some textures too
19:10	Wuzzy	not really
19:10	Wuzzy	we test the model, not textrues
19:11	GreenDimond	Problem is I dont remember if I changed other code too
19:11	Wuzzy	we'll se. just gimme code. gimme gimme gimme
19:11	Wuzzy	xD
19:11	GreenDimond	so what I am sending you is a slightly outdated version of farlands with a snippet of my code (because I have a heap of other code that needs to get done in my copy)
19:13	GreenDimond	Wuzzy, http://www.filedropper.com/farlands
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19:17	Wuzzy	doesn't work when I overwrite nodes.lua
19:17	GreenDimond	dont overwrite anything
19:17	GreenDimond	thats the whole subgame
19:17	GreenDimond	:P
19:18	GreenDimond	stick it in yer "games" folder
19:18	Wuzzy	but i need to edit nodes.lua to track your edits, remember?
19:18	GreenDimond	nope
19:19	GreenDimond	that includes my edits
19:19	GreenDimond	that is my copy of farlands that I was working on
19:19	GreenDimond	Hence why I sent you a filedropper link instead of a GitHub link
19:21	Wuzzy	testing right now
19:21	Wuzzy	i can reproduce your problems
19:21	Wuzzy	weeeeird
19:25	GreenDimond	it doesnt have to get done today
19:25	GreenDimond	Question
19:25	GreenDimond	2 questions
19:25	GreenDimond	1st one is, for MCL2, are you going to make parrots tameable so they can sit on your shoulder like in MC?
19:26	GreenDimond	Also, has you seen my reply to your post on MCL2Plus? It was an idea for lighting the End, but I can tell you here if you rather.
19:27	Wuzzy	parrots, like all mobs,are WIP
19:28	GreenDimond	tru
19:28	Wuzzy	parrots are an 1.12 feature, so automatically lower priority
19:28	Wuzzy	i probably just disable spawning them until the behave at least semi-reasonable
19:28	Wuzzy	i dont really like parrots now
19:28	Wuzzy	they just float in mid-air with no animation. very weird
19:29	GreenDimond	sometimes yeah
19:29	Wuzzy	they are really just good for the feathers now
19:29	Wuzzy	might as well just make a spawn egg mob
19:29	Wuzzy	spawn rate is already intentionally low
19:29	Wuzzy	technically parrots are tamable already
19:29	Wuzzy	the tame variable is set, i believe
19:29	Wuzzy	but there is no difference in behaviour xD
19:30	Wuzzy	I did not readl the reply yet. busy with you now
19:31	GreenDimond	Well ill tell you now
19:31	Wuzzy	WAAAAAT
19:31	Wuzzy	i just learned that on_rightclick is not even called !!!
19:31	Wuzzy	for default:chest_right/left
19:31	Wuzzy	when those were created by placement of default:chest
19:31	Wuzzy	but it is called when placed by HAX
19:31	Wuzzy	W
19:32	Wuzzy	T
19:32	Wuzzy	F
19:32	Wuzzy	how is this even ...?
19:32	GreenDimond	Instead of generating air in the End, generate air that produces light level 15.
19:32	Wuzzy	nooooooo
19:32	Wuzzy	this is wrong on so many levels
19:32	Wuzzy	this messes up with everything
19:33	Wuzzy	i only want normal air, not crazy air
19:33	Wuzzy	also, nodes can no longer produe light level 15
19:33	GreenDimond	well its just a suggestion :P
19:33	Wuzzy	that is reserved exclusively for sunlight
19:33	GreenDimond	ok then produce light_max
19:33	Wuzzy	max liight is 14
19:33	Wuzzy	no, this is a terrible hack
19:34	Wuzzy	realms are already a hack. lets not add to it
19:34	GreenDimond	truuu
19:34	Wuzzy	long story short: Rejected!
19:34	GreenDimond	fine with meh xD
19:34	Wuzzy	but i am super confused now
19:34	Wuzzy	how on Earth can it be that the same freaking node gets on_rightclick called in one occasion
19:34	Wuzzy	but it is not called at all on a different occasion
19:35	Wuzzy	ok not the same node. same node type
19:35	Wuzzy	this should be impossible, right?
19:35	GreenDimond	I dont know thats why I ask for your help xD
19:35	Wuzzy	that would mean the node definitoion magically changed between nodes?!
19:35	Wuzzy	did you already know taht on_rightclick is not even called?
19:35	GreenDimond	I didnt know that xD
19:36	Wuzzy	but it makes no fucking sense
19:36	GreenDimond	I just knew that the model didnt switch xD
19:37	Wuzzy	maybe you found an engine bug... i need to look into this deep. because silly things like this should never happen
19:37	Wuzzy	the same on_rigtclick must be called no matter what
19:37	GreenDimond	oh boy..
19:38	Wuzzy	GreenDimond: sometimes it is very helpful to just sprinkle random debug output messages in your code. just to see where your code goes.
19:38	KaadmY	Well there's your problem, you're using on_rigtclick instead of on_rightclick
19:38	GreenDimond	...
19:39	Wuzzy	...
19:39	KaadmY	...
19:39	GreenDimond	where?
19:39	KaadmY	[12:37:27] <Wuzzy> the same on_rigtclick must be called no matter what
19:39	Wuzzy	nowhere. its not true
19:39	Wuzzy	on_rightclick*
19:39	KaadmY	:P
19:39	GreenDimond	gosh darn it KaadmY
19:39	Wuzzy	I wish we would have a REAL debugger but oh well.
19:40	Wuzzy	or is there a real debugger for lua , i just dont know it?
19:40	Wuzzy	i could debug minetest with gdb but i have no idea what to do with my Lua code... :(
19:41	Wuzzy	okay GreenDimond. I think I can't help you with your on_rightclick problem for now
19:41	Wuzzy	what I do instead now is researching on why the hell this is happening
19:41	Wuzzy	I try to reproduce this bug in different situations
19:41	Wuzzy	if it turns out it's a MT bug, I'll report it of course
19:41	Wuzzy	and of course I will notify u
19:42	* KaadmY	expects it's something really lame
19:42	KaadmY	Is on_rightclick overridden anywhere?
19:42	Wuzzy	yes
19:42	Wuzzy	well..
19:42	Wuzzy	here is the situation
19:42	Wuzzy	I have one node bla:bli
19:42	Wuzzy	I place it on the ground
19:42	Wuzzy	it has on_rightlick defined. in the node def
19:43	Wuzzy	I have a debug message right at the start of that function
19:43	Wuzzy	i have placed this node two times
19:43	Wuzzy	the first time it is placed by hand
19:43	Wuzzy	directly
19:43	Wuzzy	the second time it is placed indirectly by swap_node or set_node
19:43	Wuzzy	now.
19:44	Wuzzy	It is reasonable to expect that BOTH nodes give you the debug mesage when rightclicked. right?
19:44	Wuzzy	the fact that those 2 nodes were placed differently should have no impact
19:44	Wuzzy	remember both nodes are of the same type bla:bli
19:44	KaadmY	Yeah
19:44	Wuzzy	but here we have a situation where the one nodes does NOT give debug output.
19:44	Wuzzy	thats the WTF moment
19:45	Wuzzy	and if its an overwrite problem like you suggest
19:45	GreenDimond	It might be because the on_construct did not take place
19:45	Wuzzy	then either both nodes should work or both nodes hsould be broken
19:45	KaadmY	Just `grep on_rightclick * -R`
19:45	KaadmY	See if ANYTHING uses on_rightclick that might have broken it
19:46	Wuzzy	i dont get it
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19:46	Wuzzy	i dont get the logic behind that one
19:46	Wuzzy	no matter how crazy u have overwritten on_rightclick
19:46	Wuzzy	then either both or none nodes should work
19:48	Wuzzy	and no, KaadmY. I don't find anything suspicious
19:48	KaadmY	Yeah
19:48	Wuzzy	I try to reproduce this bug in isolation
19:49	Wuzzy	ohh
19:49	Wuzzy	now i know what may be the problem
19:49	Wuzzy	if the node has a formspec attached to it. it kills on_rightclick. right?
19:50	GreenDimond	shouldnt
19:51	KaadmY	Hm
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19:55	Wuzzy	yep
19:55	Wuzzy	it definitely is the formspec
19:55	Wuzzy	stuuuupid
19:56	Wuzzy	if you set formspec via node metadata, on_rightclick is never called
19:56	Wuzzy	the difference between the nodes was indeed this
19:56	Wuzzy	the one had formspec metadata, the other one didn't
19:56	Wuzzy	this is annoying
19:56	KaadmY	Wow
19:57	Wuzzy	hmm I believe on_rightclick should be called anyways, right?
19:57	Wuzzy	even if that node got a formspec
19:58	Wuzzy	in this case, I was right. engine bug
19:58	Wuzzy	huh? not even in issue tracker yet...
19:58	KaadmY	Probably just (bad) intended behaviour
20:00	Wuzzy	GreenDimond: I think I know the solution to your model problem. As soon you place the chest next to another chest, the node gets the formspec metadata assigned
20:01	Wuzzy	ok this was not the solution yet
20:01	Wuzzy	the solution would be to not set the formspec via metadata. instead you open the formspec of the large chest "half" node in on_rightclick
20:01	Wuzzy	just like you do for the single chest
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20:02	Wuzzy	This is basically what I also did in mcl_chest
20:02	GreenDimond	?
20:02	Wuzzy	.............
20:03	Wuzzy	in on_construct of default:chest
20:03	Wuzzy	you set "formspec" metadata.
20:03	GreenDimond	erm
20:03	Wuzzy	this is not the way to do it, it breaks the on_rightclick function
20:04	Wuzzy	instead, you have to open the formspec in on_rightclick itself
20:04	GreenDimond	but the chests have to share metadata
20:04	Wuzzy	just look at mcl_chests to learn how I open the formspec
20:04	GreenDimond	I am using your method
20:04	GreenDimond	I think
20:05	Wuzzy	no, you don't. you set "formspec" metadata
20:05	Wuzzy	only this metadata is critical. the other metadata must of course sta
20:05	Wuzzy	stay*
20:05	GreenDimond	oh I think that's because I changed to using the default.register_chest
20:05	Wuzzy	no, this is not the reason
20:06	GreenDimond	alright what code do I change xD
20:06	Wuzzy	you do m:set_string("formspec", blablabla)
20:06	Wuzzy	this is the current (wrong) situation
20:06	Wuzzy	use minetest.open_formspec for ALL the 3 node pieces (single, left, right)
20:06	Wuzzy	really just look at mcl_chests
20:07	Wuzzy	note the lack of meta:set_string("formspec") for the chests
20:07	Wuzzy	I hope you can do this alone. you'Re on your own for the rest of the day.
20:07	Wuzzy	I have a bug to report
20:08	GreenDimond	I might just ask you tomorrow :P
20:08	GreenDimond	if I cant figure it out on my own
20:09	Wuzzy	How is the Farlands projects going, by the way?
20:10	Wuzzy	I admit I have never played it
20:10	GreenDimond	Not sure
20:10	GreenDimond	it seems its going well
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20:10	GreenDimond	I do a lot of other stuff
20:10	GreenDimond	so I dont keep up with everything
20:10	Wuzzy	it looks cool imo
20:10	GreenDimond	I think it is :P
20:10	Wuzzy	this game has on my todo list for long
20:11	Wuzzy	i like the corals
20:11	tumeninodes	Hay guys. Sorry to butt in just a quick question. GD, did you make a double open chest model?
20:11	GreenDimond	nope tumeninodes
20:11	GreenDimond	using the default
20:11	GreenDimond	dont need a large chest model
20:11	Wuzzy	i always like it when MC-like games add some sea life. most MC-like (including MC itself) have little to no sea life whatsoever. very sad
20:11	tumeninodes	For what you wish to do, you need a single dble wide model
20:12	GreenDimond	tumeninodes, not necessarily
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20:12	tumeninodes	how without dble? I'm curious now :P
20:12	Wuzzy	the MC open model is exactly 1 node wide
20:12	Wuzzy	MTG*
20:13	GreenDimond	if chest_right switches models, then switch the chest_left one too
20:13	GreenDimond	simple
20:13	tumeninodes	Wuzzy, the default
20:13	Wuzzy	why does it have to be a single model?
20:13	GreenDimond	are you asking tumeni?
20:14	Wuzzy	hmm beause of the vertices and faces, right?
20:14	GreenDimond	the model doesnt need to switch
20:14	GreenDimond	I mean
20:14	Wuzzy	you could also stick to the voxel ideology and split it in "half", one for each node
20:14	GreenDimond	It doesnt need a new model
20:14	tumeninodes	I'm just sayin' While the closed chest is fine to use the same original setup, a new dble size model should be required to open
20:14	GreenDimond	just detect the model switch
20:14	GreenDimond	no it doesnt need a new model
20:15	GreenDimond	if one chest opens, then open the one next to it too. 'tis simple.
20:15	tumeninodes	that is the thing GD, you want to switch to the new model for open, append the formspec to the new model
20:15	tumeninodes	seems to me using 2 models in this situation is twice the work
20:16	tumeninodes	Wuzzy, yes "because vertices and faces"
20:16	Wuzzy	:D
20:17	Wuzzy	i am quite sad to see nodeboxes slowly die
20:17	Wuzzy	in MTG not even stairs have nodeboxes
20:17	tumeninodes	nah they are not, look at my facade mod if you wanna see some hardcore nodeboxes :P
20:18	GreenDimond	hehe
20:18	Wuzzy	this is sad because nodeboxes are super easy to edit
20:18	tumeninodes	but they are hungry
20:18	GreenDimond	I prefer meshes :P
20:18	Wuzzy	i understand the need to reduce the number of faces, but why not optimize nodeboxes automatically?
20:18	tumeninodes	GD makes very nice meshes ;)
20:18	GreenDimond	indeed :D
20:19	GreenDimond	wait where have you seen my meshes? o_O
20:19	Wuzzy	thats why I keep nodeboxes whereever possible
20:19	tumeninodes	takes twice the work to optimize them automagically than simply start with a mesh
20:19	Wuzzy	not neccessarily
20:19	tumeninodes	I saw the chimes and gift boxes posted on HT
20:19	GreenDimond	oh you did? :D
20:20	Wuzzy	minetest really just needs to generate a mesh out of the nodebox definition once
20:20	Wuzzy	then just re-use this one
20:20	tumeninodes	I have to run but, I really think you should try the single new model for dbl chests
20:20	Wuzzy	i find it hard to belive this has any impact on performance
20:21	Wuzzy	ok for chests a model makes sense esp open ones
20:21	GreenDimond	?
20:21	tumeninodes	but Wuzzy, after some time every little byte helps and becomes more precious
20:21	Wuzzy	tumeninodes: the only impact such an optimziation routine will have is the loading time where it generates the meshes ONCE. after it is done no further impact
20:22	GreenDimond	reusing the same mesh saves more performance than using 2 meshes
20:22	GreenDimond	*reusing the same mesh twice saves more performance than using a new mesh
20:22	Wuzzy	who talks about 2 meshes?!
20:22	tumeninodes	Wuzzy, I "think" some of it also has to do with a "polished" end product on the dev end
20:23	tumeninodes	I still love nodeboxes too... cuz /me sucks at blendy
20:23	tumeninodes	:D
20:23	GreenDimond	if I make a new mesh for the large chest thats another mesh to load
20:23	Wuzzy	well the big plus for nodeboxes is they are super easy to edit. if performance wins, then nodeboxes are going to die completely. which is sad
20:23	GreenDimond	its better to just use 2 of the already used mesh
20:24	Wuzzy	well i think i suggest this nodebox optimization by myself and look what the devs think
20:24	Wuzzy	because i dont want nodeboxes to die
20:25	Wuzzy	i think we can have ease-of-edit of node-boxes without sacrificing performance
20:25	tumeninodes	gonna take engine play to tweak
20:26	Wuzzy	also it seems especially silly to me that STAIRS are done as mesh instead of a nodebox. one of the simplest shapes EVER... still not a nodeboxes. xD
20:26	GreenDimond	I made the new corner stair meshes :P
20:26	tumeninodes	GD, a single open model for single chests / single model for dbl wide chests
20:27	tumeninodes	yes he did... Lets gettem!
20:27	GreenDimond	D:
20:27	GreenDimond	xD
20:27	tumeninodes	ok, serz gusta go guys.. ttyl (do the dble wide model)
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20:34	GreenDimond	Hey
20:34	GreenDimond	Hey Wuzzy
20:34	GreenDimond	want some cringgggggge?
20:34	Wuzzy	DO WANT
20:34	GreenDimond	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=286597#p286597
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20:41	GreenDimond	have you reported bug yet Wuzzy sir? :P
20:42	Wuzzy	TODO
20:42	GreenDimond	I SEE
20:48	GreenDimond	I am going to make a particle cannon
20:48	GreenDimond	(in blender)
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20:55	Wuzzy	GreenDimond: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6195
20:55	GreenDimond	+1
20:59	GreenDimond	EEVEE is awesome O_O
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21:05	GreenDimond	I cant wait for Blender 2.8...
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22:15	Zehra	Greetings all,
22:15	Zehra	I know this probably has been asked before, but I'll ask anyways.
22:16	Zehra	How would I throw snow in Minetest ?
22:16	Zehra	(In the sense of a snowball.)
22:17	Zehra	Or would this require a mod ?
22:18	calcul0n	i think there's a mod for this yes
22:20	Zehra	Ah okay.
22:20	calcul0n	https://github.com/Splizard/minetest-mod-snow
22:20	calcul0n	this is just the first google result, looks like there are some other ones
22:23	Zehra	calcul0n: Thank you.
22:23	Zehra	I think this will work perfectly.
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23:08	swift110	hey all
23:08	bigfoot547	Hi swift110
23:10	swift110	how are you bigfoot547
23:10	swift110	hey Zehra
23:10	bigfoot547	I'm good
23:10	Zehra	hi swift110
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23:13	Guest75304	Hey guys, i got a quick and hopefully easy question. I been using World Edit. But have dark places now. I ahve tried Fix lighting many times yet it don't do anything. Is there anything else I could try?
23:13	swift110	how are you Zehra
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23:19	Guest75304	Wait i think i got it.
23:19	Guest75304	i had to update like 95 million blocks
23:19	Zehra	I'm doing alright swift110
23:20	Zehra	Although I'm still somewhat of a newbie at Minetest.
23:21	Guest75304	Well some of the dark places come right back when I walk over it...
23:22	Guest75304	Is there anyway to view a preview of MTS files before placing them when importing them?
23:22	rdococ	eh?
23:24	swift110	Not more of a newbie than i am zehra
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