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hi MuffinKatt |
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oops |
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hi MuffinKat |
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sometimes I have message in console like "trying to store ... but block (-3,0,1) already contains 500 objects". Why is only one contain huge count but another only one object per block ? |
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VanessaE |
because one of the numbers given (...) is just an index, like a count of how many entities have ever been processed, while the other (500) is how many actually made it into the mapblock |
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Wuzzy |
hi |
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Wuzzy |
how can i find out whether the player access the player inventory, or the inventory/formspec of a node (by rightclicking it)? |
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oops I have huge flat builded with ONE SIDED entity but it seems like irrlicht try draw invisible part of side too as FPS says |
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[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Get biome list: Downgrade missing biome message to infostream 4627641 https://git.io/vySnw (2017-03-16T02:56:03Z) |
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[git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Sneak: Fix various problems with sneaking 14aa990 https://git.io/vySnr (2017-03-16T02:52:59Z) |
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MuffinKat |
HELOOOO MORTALS |
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kaeza |
hello my friend! stay a while and listen |
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[git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Add ModStorageAPI to client side modding (#5396) eb88e5d https://git.io/vySuG (2017-03-16T06:53:39Z) |
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yusf[m] |
Is there an actively maintained ambience mod around? |
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IDK |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all! Happy Thursday, and happy Freedom of Information Day! 😃 |
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'morning |
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wasn't there a caverealms fork without falling lava? don't see it in the forklist on github |
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rubenwardy: Mar-14 04:15 UTC <XtremeHacker> I submitted a PR to fix a typo in the Itemstacks chapter in your modding book. |
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rubenwardy |
!tell XtremeHacker thanks! |
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MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: I'll pass that on when XtremeHacker is around |
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Is celeron55 there? |
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An0n3m0us |
I believe he isn't |
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TalkLounge |
Hmm |
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TalkLounge |
Ok then bye |
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XtremeHacker: Mar-16 13:27 UTC <rubenwardy> thanks! |
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gnu_guix |
Hello. |
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gnu_guix |
Why partially/non-free mods are allowed on Minetest server (official server list). |
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gnu_guix |
*? |
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sfan5 |
why would we not allow them? |
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behalebabo |
perhaps so as not to restrict freedom of what mods to use? |
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sfan5 |
also can you name some examples |
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gnu_guix |
But it's an official server list. |
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sfan5 |
so? |
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gnu_guix |
And Minetest should be free replacement for Minecraft. |
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sfan5 |
it is |
| 15:06 |
gnu_guix |
For example, CC-BY-NC-SA skin is non-free. |
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sfan5 |
(apart from the fact that we don't plan to be a drop-in replacement for mc) |
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gnu_guix |
4[Not Minetest-related] CC-BY-NC manga is non-free. |
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sfan5 |
gnu_guix: minetest & minetest_game are redistributable under FOSS licenses |
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sfan5 |
what people run on their servers is not directly related to this |
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gnu_guix |
Where can I find the server list source code? |
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gnu_guix |
*source code for server list |
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sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/master-server |
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rafalcpp |
gnu_guix: lulz |
| 15:12 |
rafalcpp |
the gnu"nazis" arrived |
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rafalcpp |
gnu_guix: you can open with open browser an image or web page that is copyrighted, right? it's like this |
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gnu_guix |
CC*ND* is non-free |
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gnu_guix |
rafalcpp: We can use whitelist for this. |
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rafalcpp |
gnu_guix: to achieve what? |
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gnu_guix |
rafalcpp: Freedom. |
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rafalcpp |
I like my freedom to join servers that send me data with agreement that I will not re-share freely that data |
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gnu_guix |
rafalcpp: NDA? |
| 15:14 |
rafalcpp |
well or just copyrighted data |
| 15:16 |
rafalcpp |
I guess someone could make a patch to mark servers that send you only free mods |
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rafalcpp |
gnu_guix: or just run some totally free (bsd licenced / wtfpl / public-domain) mods server, give it a nice name that freflects that, and add that to default server list |
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sfan5 |
^ you have the freedom to write such a patch :) |
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gnu_guix |
Why not delete some Freenode channels: |
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gnu_guix |
#anime because of non-free "Anime/Manga of the Week". |
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gnu_guix |
##windows |
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gnu_guix |
#wow |
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gnu_guix |
etc. |
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sfan5 |
can you move your stallman shilling for #freenode |
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sfan5 |
s/for/to/ |
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rafalcpp |
gnu_guix: uhm, what that has to do with minetest? |
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gnu_guix |
rafalcpp: About Minetest: |
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gnu_guix |
Please check the forum and remove partially/non-free User-contributed mods, maps, texture packs, etc. |
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rafalcpp |
gnu_guix: please eat a dick |
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rafalcpp |
:) |
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rafalcpp |
gnu_guix: in case if you're not trolling but actually wanting to promote GNU, then make a server with such licences, and have it added to default server list |
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rafalcpp |
Wapanese: |
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* rafalcpp |
prefers BSD tho, but who cares that much in this case :) |
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* rafalcpp |
rates 6/10 |
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sfan5 |
http://i.imgur.com/PRyJ53n.jpg |
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Wapanese |
Anon-kun? /WHOIS Wapanese |
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Wapanese |
Ok. Which license? |
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Wapanese |
Can I use TCP to play Minetest? I want to use Tor to host my server. |
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sfan5 |
no |
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Wapanese |
Why? |
| 15:27 |
sfan5 |
that's just how it is |
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Wapanese |
Can I use SSL/TLS with Minetest? |
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sfan5 |
no |
| 15:30 |
Wapanese |
Why not encrypt Minetest traffic? |
| 15:30 |
sfan5 |
it's a game not a banking application |
| 15:31 |
Wapanese |
Man-in-the-Middle griefing? |
| 15:31 |
sfan5 |
unlikely |
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Wapanese |
Why use UDP? |
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Wapanese |
I cannot use UDP with Tor. |
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sfan5 |
udp has benefits for gaming |
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sfan5 |
ask google |
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Wapanese |
About Nyan Cat in the game? |
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Wapanese |
*. |
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Wapanese |
Copyright? |
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Jordach |
>encryption doesn't solve anything |
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Wapanese |
Jordach: Why? |
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Jordach |
Wapanese, think about it |
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Jordach |
strange transmissions makes spies look for you more than standard "noise" |
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Jordach |
it's the same reason why i don't autistically sperg in public |
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Jordach |
they look for oddities in patterns for each user |
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Wapanese |
So what about Nyan Cat copyright? |
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Wapanese |
4Fair use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nyan_cat_250px_frame.PNG |
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Wapanese |
4Fair use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nyan_cat_250px_frame.PNG |
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rafalcpp |
Wapanese: uhm |
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rafalcpp |
Wapanese: you could tor over galaxy42 or other VPN that has TCP transport |
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Wapanese |
Isn't Nyan Cat a trademarkâ„¢? |
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rafalcpp |
also OpenVPN over TUN should work |
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Wapanese |
Isn't Nyan Cat a trademarkâ„¢? |
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Wapanese |
Connection problems. |
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Wapanese |
*I have problems with connection. |
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sfan5 |
dunno & nobody cares |
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Wapanese |
sfan5's real name is "kitten". Nya? |
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rafalcpp |
Wapanese san troll deska? |
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Wapanese |
I'm not a troll. |
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sfan5 |
i wouldn't be so sure of that |
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Wapanese |
/WHOIS sfan5 |
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rafalcpp |
Wapanese: you could tor over galaxy42 or other VPN that has TCP transport, e.g. OpenVPN connected over TCP over Tor does work, and there you can UDP into minetest .onion |
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rafalcpp |
Jordach: tor all the things |
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Jordach |
my phone is going ree http://i.imgur.com/LvVtyPo.png |
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Wapanese |
36271? |
| 15:57 |
Jordach |
debug commands |
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Jordach |
GL_INVALID_ENUM on ardreno 505 |
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rafalcpp |
Jordach: reeeeeeeeeeee |
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* rafalcpp |
does a recount |
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Jordach |
https://www.reddit.com/r/REEEEEE/ |
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XtremeHacker |
Wapanese, you must be joking |
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Wapanese |
XtremeHacker: Why? |
| 16:02 |
XtremeHacker |
Blender is used to make art for non-free games & movies, is there anything wrong with that? |
| 16:02 |
XtremeHacker |
Same for MT, it is a game, how people choose to use it does not have to be the FOSS way. |
| 16:02 |
Wapanese |
We can add force licensing under a free data license. |
| 16:03 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/1uPbSSt.png ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 16:05 |
XtremeHacker |
Doiesn't forcing users to use Free data licenses contradict allowing users to do what they want with the software? |
| 16:05 |
XtremeHacker |
*Doesn't |
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MinetestBot |
[git] Thomas--S -> minetest/minetest_game: Change doors to default.can_interact_with_node() 73e4666 https://git.io/vy9zb (2017-03-16T16:11:20Z) |
| 16:11 |
Jordach |
XtremeHacker, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/288471365571444737/288855993897451541/e9b.png |
| 16:12 |
XtremeHacker |
Jordach: I thin, know that Wapanese is a troll, I just like to play with 'em till they get annoyed. :P |
| 16:13 |
Jordach |
XtremeHacker, make them REEEEEE |
| 16:13 |
XtremeHacker |
Lol |
| 16:13 |
XtremeHacker |
Make 'em /QUIT Can't Stand THESE logical human beings |
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sofar |
XtremeHacker: think about this hypothetical future |
| 16:14 |
sofar |
XtremeHacker: one day in the future, it becomes illegal to not pay someone for things they have created |
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sofar |
XtremeHacker: now all -NC- licenses have turned into forbidden software |
| 16:15 |
sofar |
what you may think of is acceptable now, may not be acceptable in the future |
| 16:15 |
sofar |
so a more-free license will be better adept at dealing with the circumstances |
| 16:18 |
rafalcpp |
"it becomes illegal to not pay someone for things they have created" |
| 16:18 |
rafalcpp |
I'm not sure if even european union is stupid enugh to do that |
| 16:18 |
XtremeHacker |
sofar: I understand, but there are times when a "You can't touch this because" license is "needed", and I find it contradictory for us to block people wanting to use such a language |
| 16:18 |
XtremeHacker |
*license, not language |
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sofar |
rafalcpp: hypothetical |
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rafalcpp |
sofar: hypotethically EU can ban all anime and nyancat is gone |
| 16:19 |
sofar |
let's say we evolve to a society that rewards individual creations and protects them |
| 16:19 |
rafalcpp |
at leats for the 2 years untill everyonexit |
| 16:19 |
sofar |
and money no longer is a problem |
| 16:19 |
sofar |
I'm not talking about the EU |
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sofar |
this is purely a fictional hypothesis |
| 16:20 |
rafalcpp |
sofar: there is no such thing as protecting creator, there is only opressing people who copied their work |
| 16:20 |
sofar |
THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL HYPOTHETICAL |
| 16:21 |
* XtremeHacker |
Goes to get some work done |
| 16:24 |
Fixer |
why would EU ban anime? |
| 16:24 |
Fixer |
i know russia banned hentai, but thats hentai |
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Wapanese |
Banned hentai? |
| 16:31 |
Wapanese |
Ban anime? IDIOTS |
| 16:31 |
Wapanese |
*THEY ARE IDIOTS. |
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^7heo |
spoiler: people are idiots. |
| 16:32 |
^7heo |
you're welcome. |
| 16:33 |
Fixer |
well, Ukraine has banned porno since forever, WHY? NO FREAKING IDEA, it is not an Iran or Poland, not religious that much, everybody watch it anyway |
| 16:33 |
Fixer |
it is strange laws |
| 16:33 |
XtremeHacker |
Spoiler: Most people aren't smart, but there are still smart people, don't worry. :) |
| 16:33 |
Fixer |
Wapanese: kids watch anime @ fucked up kids |
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^7heo |
Fixer: nah but in UAE, if you get raped, you then get prosecuted for adultery. |
| 16:34 |
^7heo |
Fixer: how about that for idiotic? |
| 16:34 |
Fixer |
yep |
| 16:34 |
^7heo |
Like even hitler wasn't THAT stupid. |
| 16:34 |
^7heo |
but heh, he's a bad guy â„¢ now |
| 16:35 |
^7heo |
So we can all shit on him, but not on anyone living and doing worse |
| 16:35 |
^7heo |
those people have the "benefit of the doubt" ® |
| 16:35 |
^7heo |
puny humans. |
| 16:38 |
Wapanese |
Internet is not censored in Ukraine. |
| 16:38 |
Wapanese |
I can use Tor to download porno. |
| 16:39 |
Wapanese |
(or not use Tor) and download it |
| 16:41 |
rafalcpp |
^7heo: ah yes, hitler |
| 16:41 |
rafalcpp |
the leader of mythcal country "Nazistan" |
| 16:41 |
rafalcpp |
that appeared out of nowhere |
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^7heo |
yeah |
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rafalcpp |
near German border :3 |
| 16:42 |
^7heo |
exactly. |
| 16:42 |
^7heo |
He did lots of shit tho. |
| 16:42 |
^7heo |
And autobahns |
| 16:42 |
^7heo |
and more shit. |
| 16:42 |
^7heo |
(in that order) |
| 16:42 |
^7heo |
and some historians say that autobahns were actually in the works before him, and he just went along with the plan. |
| 16:42 |
^7heo |
Which is very possible knowing politicians. |
| 16:43 |
^7heo |
and dictators |
| 16:43 |
^7heo |
but long story short |
| 16:43 |
^7heo |
I'm baffled how easily people label things "good" and "bad" and how little actual use of their brain they do. |
| 16:44 |
rafalcpp |
what is more dangerous, are this extermists |
| 16:44 |
^7heo |
Sure, hitler murdered a lot of people in atrocious ways, there's no question about that. |
| 16:44 |
rafalcpp |
they steal boats from Arabic migrants |
| 16:44 |
rafalcpp |
materialize onto them out of thin air |
| 16:44 |
rafalcpp |
and arrive in millions |
| 16:44 |
^7heo |
but heh, how many more did something kinda similar, without problems? |
| 16:44 |
^7heo |
and continue to do that shit? |
| 16:44 |
rafalcpp |
hm I wonder where the previous occupants of the boats went |
| 16:45 |
^7heo |
fear is the real enemy. |
| 16:45 |
^7heo |
Remember that well. |
| 16:45 |
rafalcpp |
I assume they are teleported back into they war-torned countries |
| 16:45 |
rafalcpp |
like Egpyt or Czech or Slovakia |
| 16:45 |
^7heo |
Teleported, or parachuted with no parachute. |
| 16:46 |
^7heo |
Like Frenchs and Nazis (separatedly) did last century |
| 16:46 |
^7heo |
in Africa. |
| 16:46 |
rafalcpp |
and the extermists apparently multiply by cell-divisio |
| 16:46 |
rafalcpp |
and the extermists apparently multiply by cell-division |
| 16:46 |
rafalcpp |
looking at gender of their arriving population |
| 16:47 |
^7heo |
I dunno |
| 16:47 |
^7heo |
I find that the numbers of extremists in both genders are pretty much equal. |
| 16:47 |
^7heo |
For example, here in Germany, there are about as many NPD or AFD voters in both genders. |
| 16:48 |
^7heo |
in France, same for their "FN". |
| 16:48 |
^7heo |
so... |
| 16:48 |
^7heo |
I think it's not the point. |
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| 16:50 |
rafalcpp |
^7heo: oh, I was about that 90% of arriving "syrain" "refugees" are males |
| 16:50 |
rafalcpp |
as typical for war refugees, yeah ;) |
| 16:52 |
^7heo |
syrian* |
| 16:52 |
^7heo |
and |
| 16:52 |
^7heo |
nope, not from what I've seen. |
| 16:52 |
^7heo |
and they're not typical war refugees. |
| 16:52 |
Fixer |
politics again |
| 16:52 |
^7heo |
yeah |
| 16:52 |
^7heo |
please fix it :P |
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| 17:00 |
red-001 |
so when did this become #politics? |
| 17:03 |
^7heo |
rafalcpp: 16:03 -!- gnu_guix [~gnu_guix 200-55-179-94.pool.ukrtel.net] has joined #minetest |
| 17:03 |
^7heo |
that precise moment. |
| 17:03 |
^7heo |
s/rafalcpp/red-001/ |
| 17:04 |
^7heo |
as usual, GNUtards are turning tech stuff into politics. |
| 17:04 |
^7heo |
and for the record, gnu_guix is not Wapanese. |
| 17:04 |
^7heo |
so that's all Wapanese's fault. |
| 17:05 |
^7heo |
even hitler. |
| 17:07 |
red-001 |
by GNUtards do you mean linux users that think they are better then everyone else or people that belive that anything thats not open source is evil? |
| 17:07 |
Wapanese |
Open source? |
| 17:07 |
Wapanese |
*free |
| 17:08 |
red-001 |
common misconceptions but no |
| 17:08 |
^7heo |
red-001: somehow, the area of the venn diagram that is in both. |
| 17:08 |
red-001 |
s/misconceptions/misconception |
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| 17:08 |
^7heo |
and as Wapanese corrected, GNUtards actually see a big difference between "free" and "open source" |
| 17:09 |
^7heo |
there is one, but it's not THAT big. |
| 17:09 |
^7heo |
and since they have much to compensate |
| 17:09 |
^7heo |
they need it BIG. |
| 17:09 |
red-001 |
not all open source software is free |
| 17:09 |
rafalcpp |
for me BSD is more free then GNU |
| 17:09 |
red-001 |
and a large amount of free software is not opensource |
| 17:10 |
rafalcpp |
PublicDomain/WTFPL/etc > BSD > (LGPL) > GPL |
| 17:10 |
^7heo |
for me BSD is much more free than GNU. |
| 17:10 |
^7heo |
like, MUCH. |
| 17:10 |
^7heo |
GNU isn't free. |
| 17:10 |
^7heo |
GNU is "RMS owns you." |
| 17:10 |
^7heo |
"and all you ever had, were, and possessed." |
| 17:11 |
^7heo |
see the libreboot example for further information. |
| 17:11 |
rafalcpp |
well GNU is "it is free, except you are forced to publish it and you are required to repeat same conditions" |
| 17:11 |
^7heo |
yeah exactly. |
| 17:11 |
^7heo |
and you're jailed once you're in it. |
| 17:11 |
^7heo |
people complain about apple jailing users... but GNU is a thouthand times worse. |
| 17:11 |
red-001 |
meh |
| 17:11 |
^7heo |
actually, more orders of magnitude than I could possibly describe. |
| 17:11 |
rafalcpp |
I'm glad software I develop will be BSD (or BSD + making sure patent is in public domain) |
| 17:12 |
rafalcpp |
what is MC licence anyway |
| 17:12 |
red-001 |
vendor locking is worse |
| 17:12 |
^7heo |
rafalcpp: thanks for doing that. |
| 17:12 |
^7heo |
red-001: no it is not. |
| 17:12 |
red-001 |
it's lgpl |
| 17:12 |
rafalcpp |
red-001: depends who you ask |
| 17:12 |
rafalcpp |
^7heo: :) |
| 17:12 |
red-001 |
gpl is only an issue for companies |
| 17:12 |
^7heo |
red-001: because vendor locking is about profit, and everybody openly hates it. |
| 17:13 |
rafalcpp |
red-001: everyone can be a company; also it is for everyone doing things in work (for money) |
| 17:13 |
^7heo |
red-001: GNU lock-in is about tricking you into giving up your rights, so they can protect it better than you would. |
| 17:13 |
^7heo |
red-001: a bit like a bank does with your money. |
| 17:13 |
^7heo |
and THAT is the real issue. |
| 17:13 |
rafalcpp |
ahhh goim |
| 17:13 |
red-001 |
I mean you are welcome to waste your money on apple products |
| 17:13 |
rafalcpp |
is that gold you are carrying around? |
| 17:13 |
rafalcpp |
gold so heavy |
| 17:13 |
rafalcpp |
why not deposit it in my safe bank? |
| 17:13 |
* rafalcpp |
rubs hands |
| 17:14 |
^7heo |
red-001: it's not a waste as long as it runs a commercially supported BSD system |
| 17:15 |
rafalcpp |
red-001: I do not use apple now, but I would like to give freedom to others to make the next apple using my tools too (and hopefully find a way to still profit on it all) |
| 17:15 |
^7heo |
same here. |
| 17:15 |
red-001 |
if I learned one thing from the internet is that most people with a strong option are wrong in some way |
| 17:15 |
^7heo |
I actually am not using anything apple. |
| 17:15 |
rafalcpp |
red-001: is that a strong opinion? ;) |
| 17:15 |
^7heo |
but I prefer apple to GNU a (many orders of magnitude more than I can express) times. |
| 17:15 |
^7heo |
rafalcpp: :D |
| 17:15 |
red-001 |
not really |
| 17:16 |
red-001 |
it's not a strong option |
| 17:16 |
^7heo |
red-001: I learned something from life is that people with no opinion are wise stupids. |
| 17:16 |
red-001 |
just a rule of thumb |
| 17:16 |
^7heo |
red-001: and while that's much better than arrogant stupids, it's not as good as clever people. |
| 17:16 |
^7heo |
rafalcpp: also, C++ sucks. |
| 17:16 |
^7heo |
rafalcpp: sorry. |
| 17:17 |
^7heo |
(since we're trolling, I thought I would complete it :D) |
| 17:17 |
rafalcpp |
^7heo: well I like C++ :) but it sure takes proper subset of it do use it fruitfully |
| 17:17 |
red-001 |
like c? |
| 17:17 |
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| 17:17 |
rafalcpp |
red-001: C doesn't offer needed tools for it |
| 17:17 |
^7heo |
rafalcpp: like C? |
| 17:17 |
^7heo |
damn, too slow. |
| 17:17 |
^7heo |
rafalcpp: C actually offers the tools |
| 17:17 |
rafalcpp |
no, with C you are missing many things that you can not add |
| 17:17 |
^7heo |
rafalcpp: they're just a bit raw. |
| 17:18 |
^7heo |
you CAN add them. |
| 17:18 |
rafalcpp |
no, you can not at all add templates in the langauge |
| 17:18 |
red-001 |
eh c is for weaklings |
| 17:18 |
^7heo |
don't forget that C++ is C with a lot of bs. |
| 17:18 |
red-001 |
asm all the way |
| 17:18 |
^7heo |
C is portable ASM, in case you didn't realize it |
| 17:18 |
red-001 |
if you can't code in asm you can't code |
| 17:18 |
^7heo |
have fun rewriting your code for every target. |
| 17:18 |
red-001 |
why do you need to port stuff? |
| 17:18 |
^7heo |
I'll just recompile. |
| 17:18 |
^7heo |
red-001: because you can't trust vendors. |
| 17:18 |
red-001 |
just use one arch |
| 17:18 |
^7heo |
red-001: mr no vendor lock-in |
| 17:19 |
red-001 |
whats bad about that? |
| 17:19 |
rafalcpp |
> complains re vector lock-in |
| 17:19 |
rafalcpp |
> CODES I ASM |
| 17:19 |
^7heo |
YEAH |
| 17:19 |
rafalcpp |
> CODES IN ASM |
| 17:19 |
^7heo |
RIGHT? |
| 17:19 |
^7heo |
and if you don't get how that is wrong |
| 17:19 |
^7heo |
I have nothing to add. |
| 17:19 |
red-001 |
it protects you from doing stuipd things |
| 17:19 |
^7heo |
rafalcpp: you wanted to say: complains about vendor lockin - codes only in ASM |
| 17:19 |
red-001 |
like updating your hardware |
| 17:19 |
^7heo |
rafalcpp: but we got your idea. |
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| 17:19 |
red-001 |
or changing your os |
| 17:20 |
^7heo |
or escaping a sudden lockin from a vendor? |
| 17:20 |
^7heo |
du opfer... |
| 17:20 |
^7heo |
let's salute the new pole with some Wodka. |
| 17:20 |
rafalcpp |
chikeeebreeky |
| 17:20 |
^7heo |
chikeeebreeky chikeeebreeky |
| 17:21 |
* rafalcpp |
goes to finish coding tho :} |
| 17:21 |
^7heo |
yeah same |
| 17:21 |
^7heo |
I have some deployment/testing to do |
| 17:21 |
^7heo |
laters. |
| 17:23 |
red-001 |
really I hope that minux3 becomes a commerical used os one day |
| 17:28 |
^7heo |
minux? |
| 17:28 |
^7heo |
wtf is that? |
| 17:28 |
^7heo |
a mix of minix and linux? |
| 17:29 |
red-001 |
s/minux/minix |
| 17:29 |
^7heo |
unless you're using ed(1), this expression is not valid. |
| 17:31 |
red-001 |
init 0 |
| 17:32 |
^7heo |
red-001: not everyone uses ubuntu. |
| 17:33 |
red-001 |
and yet you know what I mean |
| 17:34 |
^7heo |
not really. I just know that init should take arguments, but on ubuntu it probably does. |
| 17:34 |
^7heo |
like any bs they do. |
| 17:36 |
red-001 |
rm rf / -no-preserve root |
| 17:37 |
red-001 |
or I guess what every your system uses |
| 17:40 |
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| 17:41 |
juli |
can someone say me how the v3s16 type in minetest is defined? |
| 17:42 |
juli |
i find it everywhere in code but i can't find the deklaration |
| 17:42 |
^7heo |
red-001: it's --no-preserve-root you stupid. |
| 17:42 |
^7heo |
red-001: learn to GNU properly, at least. |
| 17:43 |
^7heo |
red-001: long options are their thing. |
| 17:43 |
^7heo |
juli: was? |
| 17:43 |
red-001 |
I think v3s16 us defined by irrlicht |
| 17:43 |
juli |
und wie? |
| 17:43 |
^7heo |
genau. |
| 17:43 |
juli |
ich weiß nicht wi es deklariert ist |
| 17:44 |
juli |
*wie |
| 17:44 |
juli |
und wie man es verwendet |
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| 17:44 |
red-001 |
why would I learn to use GNU? |
| 17:44 |
juli |
hi TELE lol |
| 17:44 |
red-001 |
I though vendor locking was a good thing? |
| 17:45 |
^7heo |
juli: Ich weiß auch nicht. |
| 17:45 |
^7heo |
juli: aber es ist vermutlich in Irrlicht. |
| 17:46 |
^7heo |
juli: hast Du am google suchen? |
| 17:46 |
^7heo |
(google oder duckduckgo oder etwas) |
| 17:46 |
juli |
ja ich glaub ich habs |
| 17:46 |
^7heo |
ok |
| 17:46 |
^7heo |
moment dann |
| 17:46 |
juli |
http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/docu/classirr_1_1core_1_1vector3d.html |
| 17:46 |
^7heo |
ah schön |
| 17:46 |
juli |
das müsste es so ungefähr sein |
| 17:48 |
^7heo |
Hmm "typedef v3s16" yields no results in ddg... |
| 17:49 |
red-001 |
I understand linux people but I don't know why would anyone use BSD |
| 17:49 |
juli |
yes its ok i will search |
| 17:49 |
juli |
@red because its nice |
| 17:49 |
red-001 |
its only use seems to be for companies to base their custom uses |
| 17:49 |
sofar |
red-001: there will always be people "holding out" |
| 17:49 |
sofar |
red-001: same mentality has bomb shelters in their houses |
| 17:49 |
^7heo |
juli: actually, it's "because it works" |
| 17:50 |
juli |
the package system is nice |
| 17:50 |
^7heo |
and it's minimalist. |
| 17:50 |
^7heo |
much less code to review. |
| 17:50 |
juli |
but yes i use linux too :) |
| 17:50 |
red-001 |
I find it hard to belive a system barely anyone uses "just works" |
| 17:50 |
juli |
gentoo :) |
| 17:51 |
^7heo |
red-001: I don't find it hard to believe. People are stupid. |
| 17:51 |
^7heo |
red-001: you included, since you believe they're not. |
| 17:51 |
^7heo |
one of the most important problems with IT is "the mass of lusers following itself" |
| 17:51 |
^7heo |
like people being "ah, the most popular linux distro is ubuntu, I guess I'll use that then" |
| 17:52 |
^7heo |
therefore making ubuntu the most popular linux distro. |
| 17:52 |
^7heo |
yay people, yay zombies. |
| 17:52 |
^7heo |
red-001: https://peoplewhatabunchofbastards.com/ |
| 17:54 |
^7heo |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAPOEHMrL5U |
| 17:58 |
sofar |
"gentoo, when you want BSD but must Linux" |
| 17:58 |
sofar |
"ubuntu, when nobody told you about the 350 other viable Linux distros out there" |
| 17:59 |
sofar |
"archlinux, when you're fedup with all the other distros" |
| 17:59 |
sofar |
"redhat, when you get paid money to use linux" |
| 18:00 |
^7heo |
"archlinux, when you're still a noob, but dream of being a h4xx0r" |
| 18:01 |
^7heo |
"redhat, when you have to deal with dummies" |
| 18:01 |
^7heo |
more like that. |
| 18:01 |
red-001 |
"bsd", when you want to use obscure software |
| 18:02 |
red-001 |
"windows" when you don't really care about all this and what is this linux thing? |
| 18:02 |
^7heo |
red-001: "Obscure" doesn't really mean shit. |
| 18:02 |
^7heo |
red-001: it's a bit like people who consider docker to be "better", because it's "more recent" |
| 18:03 |
^7heo |
those people should be fed software. |
| 18:03 |
^7heo |
Maybe then they'll realize the difference between food and software. |
| 18:04 |
red-001 |
great then use an ARM cpu in your next system |
| 18:04 |
red-001 |
in a lot of ways it's better designed |
| 18:05 |
^7heo |
why the fuck would you assume I'm not? |
| 18:05 |
^7heo |
=/ |
| 18:06 |
red-001 |
-^7heo- VERSION irssi v0.8.19 - running on Linux x86_64 |
| 18:06 |
^7heo |
have you ever heard of: |
| 18:06 |
^7heo |
1. VPSes |
| 18:06 |
^7heo |
2. IRC clients faking versions |
| 18:07 |
^7heo |
there's actually real use for both. |
| 18:07 |
red-001 |
I though a vpn would be too mainstream for you |
| 18:07 |
^7heo |
juli: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/irr_v3d.h#L28 ? |
| 18:07 |
^7heo |
red-001: you don't know the difference between a VPS and a VPN. You're just a waste of my time. |
| 18:08 |
^7heo |
I should have done the same as rafalcpp and ignored you. |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
I don't get the Ubuntu hate, really |
| 18:08 |
red-001 |
I see you havn't heard of typos etc |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
my VPS was on Ubuntu Server 14.04, now on 16.04, and it's going fine so far |
| 18:08 |
red-001 |
I don't really have time for people like you |
| 18:08 |
Calinou |
my desktop/laptop are on Manjaro (more up-to-date software with less hassle) |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
if someone made a LTS Arch, I'd be all for it |
| 18:09 |
Calinou |
so that it'd be usable on servers :) |
| 18:09 |
^7heo |
aha LTS arch |
| 18:09 |
^7heo |
that's fun because they don't even have short term support at all. |
| 18:09 |
^7heo |
let alone support. |
| 18:10 |
^7heo |
arch is more like "we break it, you get to fix it." |
| 18:10 |
red-001 |
I really don't see why people need to be smug about their software choice |
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| 18:10 |
^7heo |
juli: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/irr_v3d.h#L28 ? |
| 18:10 |
Calinou |
also, Ubuntu is a relatively solid desktop distro too (especially the variants, if you dislike Unity), and it has tons of users, so getting support is easy |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
(LTS at least; non-LTS is ok, but I wish they dropped it for rolling releases instead) |
| 18:11 |
red-001 |
in your defense through you might just be a troll |
| 18:11 |
^7heo |
Calinou: what I like with ubuntu, is that it's easy to upgrade. |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
rolling-release is easier to QA in the long term |
| 18:11 |
^7heo |
Calinou: rm -rf --no-preserve-root / |
| 18:11 |
^7heo |
Calinou: and then reinstlal. |
| 18:11 |
^7heo |
reinstall* |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
Fedora will likely go that route (they're not releasing alphas anymore) |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
instead, they'll point bleeding edge users to Rawhide |
| 18:11 |
^7heo |
that's easier than anything else |
| 18:11 |
^7heo |
it's like windows. |
| 18:11 |
^7heo |
just unmount your home drive |
| 18:11 |
Calinou |
(I was a Fedora user for over a year, it's pretty solid, but my laptop's Wi-Fi did not work with Fedora 25) |
| 18:11 |
^7heo |
delete the system |
| 18:12 |
^7heo |
reinstall the new one |
| 18:12 |
* twoelk |
just finished updating a laptop to xubuntu 16.04 |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
^7heo: it's nice to not be so blunt, by the way |
| 18:12 |
^7heo |
remount your home |
| 18:12 |
^7heo |
done |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
twoelk: usually upgrades work fine for me, even from non-LTS to non-LTS |
| 18:12 |
^7heo |
Calinou: I agree. |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
I've done 3 or 4 upgrades at least |
| 18:12 |
^7heo |
Calinou: It's nice. |
| 18:12 |
^7heo |
Calinou: It's also nice to live in a world where people aren't stupid. |
| 18:12 |
^7heo |
Calinou: unfortunately... |
| 18:12 |
twoelk |
was a multiboot system with w10, seems ok sofar |
| 18:12 |
Hijiri |
minetest should have a rolling release |
| 18:12 |
Calinou |
twoelk: nice highlight :P |
| 18:13 |
Hijiri |
maybe that is sfan's builds |
| 18:13 |
Calinou |
Hijiri: for smaller-scale projects, it doesn't work that well |
| 18:13 |
Calinou |
for operating systems, for many use cases, it's a perfect fit though |
| 18:13 |
twoelk |
oops :D |
| 18:13 |
Calinou |
even I stopped maintaining More Blocks in a rolling-release manner |
| 18:13 |
Calinou |
(though you can still get the latest Git commits if you want) |
| 18:14 |
red-001 |
http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-06-24 |
| 18:14 |
Hijiri |
I just want to have modding features become widespread more quickly :P |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
Hijiri: unfortunately, the culprits here are: |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
- LTS distros shipping old games and being happy with it |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
- the lack of update notifications in Minetest (at least for distributions of ours) |
| 18:15 |
Calinou |
(distros won't allow update checks, but we can supply some in Windows builds, macOS and Linux AppImages) |
| 18:16 |
Hijiri |
I can see why they wouldn't allow update checks |
| 18:16 |
est31 |
update checks dont make sense in linux distros |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
Hijiri: yeah, since you're not able to download the updates anyway |
| 18:16 |
Hijiri |
When I played MC I found it annoying when I was using a modpack and every mod printed an update notificatin |
| 18:16 |
est31 |
thats the point |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
Hijiri: IMO they're acceptable if you can turn them off |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
(like in most sane software) |
| 18:16 |
est31 |
if you get stuff via apt-get then update checks are not useful |
| 18:16 |
est31 |
minetest should get app images and flatpaks |
| 18:16 |
Calinou |
yes, definitely |
| 18:17 |
Calinou |
I would be happy to help maintain official AppImages |
| 18:17 |
^7heo |
juli: hast Du mein link gesehen? |
| 18:18 |
juli |
oh sorry ne war afk |
| 18:18 |
^7heo |
ok |
| 18:18 |
^7heo |
juli: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/irr_v3d.h#L28 ? |
| 18:18 |
^7heo |
das |
| 18:19 |
juli |
welchen stream nimmt man um etwas in der Konsole auszugeben? infostream? |
| 18:19 |
twoelk |
hm, mt 0.4.13 on the xubuntu lappy, now how does this appimage thing work? |
| 18:19 |
Calinou |
twoelk: feel free to try out my AppImages (unofficial), they work on any distro as recent as Ubuntu 14.04 or newer |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
twoelk: https://archive.hugo.pro/minetest/ |
| 18:20 |
twoelk |
btw #minetest-de gibt es auch noch |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
(it's some post-0.4.15 Git build) |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
download it, make it executable (chmod +x), run! |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
you may see warnings about unknown path, but you can safely ignore it |
| 18:20 |
^7heo |
juli: wie bitte? |
| 18:20 |
Calinou |
twoelk: I will eventually remake the webpage too, just like for Godot |
| 18:21 |
juli |
lol ich möchte in minetest versuchen den chat in der konsole auszugeben :) |
| 18:21 |
^7heo |
(Entschuldigung aber Deutsch ist nicht meinen muttersprache) |
| 18:21 |
Calinou |
twoelk: I have this for Godot now: https://lut.im/tvJBJOF8Pp/7w4P72NH7F5ZlPQV.png :) |
| 18:21 |
^7heo |
aaah |
| 18:21 |
^7heo |
weiß nicht |
| 18:21 |
juli |
hmm ok |
| 18:21 |
juli |
i try infostream |
| 18:21 |
^7heo |
dann sagt mich :D |
| 18:22 |
juli |
?? |
| 18:23 |
juli |
infostream doesn't work |
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juli |
errorstream makes to red messages |
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juli |
ok i have to go to eat dinner |
| 18:25 |
^7heo |
mahlzeit. :) |
| 18:30 |
red-001 |
neat someone wrote an os in c@ |
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QwertyDragon |
i looked here http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog but |
| 18:32 |
red-001 |
looks like more then one person did |
| 18:32 |
red-001 |
there are two c# oses |
| 18:33 |
red-001 |
QwertyDragon, whats your issue? |
| 18:33 |
red-001 |
lack of changelog? |
| 18:34 |
red-001 |
I think someone posted one on the fourm |
| 18:35 |
QwertyDragon |
and here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=243949#p243949 but |
| 18:35 |
QwertyDragon |
can not see about sand |
| 18:35 |
red-001 |
you mean the new cold desert biome? |
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QwertyDragon |
i can not use hoe on either default:sand or default:desert_sand |
| 18:36 |
red-001 |
huh |
| 18:36 |
QwertyDragon |
was that changed? |
| 18:36 |
red-001 |
latest mt-game/mt? |
| 18:36 |
QwertyDragon |
yes 4.15 |
| 18:37 |
red-001 |
I mean latest dev |
| 18:37 |
red-001 |
e.g. daily build |
| 18:37 |
QwertyDragon |
on stable |
| 18:38 |
QwertyDragon |
on stable can anyone else use hoe on sand and desert sand? i can't for some reason |
| 18:38 |
red-001 |
you might want to search through mt-game bug reports/pr's |
| 18:38 |
QwertyDragon |
ok |
| 18:38 |
twoelk |
seems that laptop I updated is 32bit, I sort of never noticed :-) |
| 18:38 |
red-001 |
I don't use stable so I can't test |
| 18:38 |
twoelk |
Calinou: any 32bit AppImages? |
| 18:39 |
red-001 |
you could also ask a mt-game dev about it |
| 18:39 |
Calinou |
twoelk: nope, sorry |
| 18:39 |
Calinou |
that complicates the build system significantly |
| 18:39 |
twoelk |
does the old oneline script still work? |
| 18:39 |
red-001 |
looks like I have mt-0.4.15 installed |
| 18:40 |
red-001 |
testing |
| 18:40 |
twoelk |
hoe on sand is a recent add to dev, not in stable iirc |
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Calinou |
twoelk: maybe |
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Calinou |
it's not guaranteed to work on all Ubuntu-based distros |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
it breaks in 16.10 due to the libpng packaging changes, for example |
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twoelk |
seems I was able to update to mt 0.4.15-dev-b52f300 |
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twoelk |
on xubuntu |
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twoelk |
using your update script |
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Milan[m]1 |
uhm... how do i calculate node coordinates to chunk coordinates? shouldn't it be x16? |
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sfan5 |
Milan[m]1: / 16 |
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Milan[m]1 |
oh right - / ...but it doesn't match with the underworlds settings hmmm |
| 21:26 |
Milan[m]1 |
but thanks so i wasn't wrong |
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Milan[m]1 |
i mean... i say `low_chunk = -42` and the cave spawns at -57 :S |
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agaran |
-42 -16 ends at -58 ? |
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Milan[m]1 |
i .... maybe i don't understand the calculation proberly but - i expect -42 + 16nodes but not +16chunks? |
| 21:51 |
Milan[m]1 |
i mean - the mess i created in the underworlds settings (the positioning) looks fine for me so far but i really would like to understand that correctly |
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agaran |
Milan[m]1: well you mean node coords or mapblock coords? |
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Milan[m]1 |
agaran, i mean that `high_chunk = -12,` `low_chunk = -42,` makes the cave begins at -912nodes which would be -57 in chunks... |
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agaran |
true |
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Milan[m]1 |
omg i should alter this again, now the lowest point of the cave appears to be -1717nodes |
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kaeza |
greetings |
