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TheInformer |
is it possible to change the players fov through a mod? |
| 01:02 |
kaeza |
no |
| 01:02 |
TheInformer |
oh that sucks |
| 01:02 |
TheInformer |
im gonna go suggest that on the forums |
| 01:03 |
kaeza |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1075 |
| 01:04 |
kaeza |
saved you the trouble...ages ago |
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TheInformer |
too late |
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TheInformer |
but this really should be added |
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red-002 |
!seen bkey |
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MinetestBot |
red-002: Sorry, I haven't seen bkey around. |
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red-002 |
!seen bkeys |
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MinetestBot |
red-002: bkeys was last seen at 2017-02-16 18:26:07 UTC on #minetest |
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kaeza |
TheInformer, what do you need FOV for? |
| 01:09 |
TheInformer |
so when someone right clicks with a certain gun in there hand it zooms in |
| 01:09 |
kaeza |
you could do something like orienteering and grant/revoke the "zoom" priv based on what is in hand |
| 01:10 |
kaeza |
for now at lease |
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TheInformer |
i guess |
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kaeza |
-e+t |
| 01:10 |
TheInformer |
what? |
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TheInformer |
can you do something when the player puts on a certain peice of armor? |
| 01:25 |
kaeza |
depends on the armor mod used. check the API? |
| 01:27 |
TheInformer |
3d amor |
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TheInformer |
armor* |
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TheInformer |
is it possible to make the text in the hud bigger? |
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TheInformer |
and is it possible to disable the hearts without disabling damage? |
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kaeza |
text bigger? font_size IIRC, in minetest.conf. that affects all items though |
| 02:00 |
TheInformer |
i'd rather just change the size for the text element in a hud |
| 02:00 |
kaeza |
nope |
| 02:00 |
kaeza |
healthbar? try player:hud_set_flags({ healthbar=false }) |
| 02:00 |
TheInformer |
ok |
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TheInformer |
for some reason when I do minetest.register_on_player_hpchange(function(player, hp_change) and then change something in there nothing happens it doesnt update when i take damage |
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TheInformer |
is that not what minetest.register_on_player_hpchange is supposed ti do? |
| 02:25 |
rdococ |
HI |
| 02:26 |
rdococ |
bored |
| 02:26 |
riff-IRC |
yup |
| 02:29 |
TheInformer |
yup what? |
| 02:30 |
kaeza |
yup |
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riff-IRC |
yup |
| 02:33 |
rdococ |
yup |
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riff-IRC |
yup |
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kaeza |
yup |
| 02:34 |
riff-IRC |
yup |
| 02:34 |
rdococ |
well |
| 02:34 |
rdococ |
I'm bored |
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kaeza |
:( |
| 02:34 |
rdococ |
what features do you wanna see in my WORKING computer? |
| 02:35 |
kaeza |
run emacs |
| 02:35 |
rdococ |
er |
| 02:35 |
rdococ |
depends if you can port emacs to lua |
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TheInformer |
i did it |
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TheInformer |
kinda |
| 02:45 |
rdococ |
meh |
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TheInformer |
teh |
| 02:45 |
TheInformer |
yeh |
| 02:45 |
TheInformer |
bey |
| 02:46 |
kaeza |
wat |
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rdococ |
er |
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rdococ |
ih |
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parasite_ |
they talk about you: https://framablog.org/2016/05/28/minetest-piochez-en-lberte/ ) |
| 02:55 |
parasite_ |
I started the game today after years of inactivity, and waow, this games has changed a lot ! that's great ! |
| 03:01 |
rdococ |
meh |
| 03:02 |
rdococ |
hm |
| 03:03 |
rdococ |
should my computer thing have a trapezoidal shape like a computer monitor, or should I keep it cubical? |
| 03:04 |
rdococ |
can minetest.serialize handle nested tables? |
| 03:07 |
kaeza |
rdococ, yes, but not recursive tables, IIRC |
| 03:08 |
rdococ |
so {x={y={z=stuff}}}? |
| 03:08 |
kaeza |
yes |
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rdococ |
k |
| 03:11 |
rdococ |
hm |
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rdococ |
I could make computers drop themselves but with item metadata on their storage |
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rdococ |
can I make a node drop an item with different data based on its metadata? |
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TheInformer |
how do you get the armor level of a player |
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TheInformer |
how do you get the armor level of a player? Please |
| 03:56 |
octacian |
TheInformer: have you checked lua_api.txt? |
| 03:56 |
TheInformer |
totally |
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* octacian |
has failed to compute whether you are being sarcastic. |
| 03:57 |
octacian |
..or not |
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* octacian |
is gonna assume yes? |
| 03:57 |
TheInformer |
sarcasm |
| 03:57 |
octacian |
Ah, lemme grab the link.. |
| 03:58 |
TheInformer |
i just checked |
| 03:58 |
octacian |
There's a LOT there about armor. |
| 03:58 |
TheInformer |
it only returns a table and I want the integer |
| 03:58 |
TheInformer |
Ctlr + F |
| 03:58 |
TheInformer |
Ctrl* |
| 03:58 |
octacian |
Yep, IK. THat's how I found it too. |
| 03:58 |
TheInformer |
theres only 10 things |
| 03:58 |
octacian |
So, question here. I take it that you want the integer resulting from adding all the values in the armor groups? |
| 03:59 |
TheInformer |
i think its object.armor_groups[group] / 100.0 |
| 03:59 |
TheInformer |
but not the / 100.0 |
| 04:00 |
TheInformer |
so player.armor_groups[group] |
| 04:00 |
TheInformer |
i guess |
| 04:00 |
octacian |
Still a bit confused. If you want to get the value of a specific group, that ^^ is right. |
| 04:00 |
TheInformer |
wouldnt the value be what level the armor is? |
| 04:00 |
octacian |
Not really |
| 04:01 |
octacian |
(AFAIK, I'm not very experienced when it comes to entities) |
| 04:01 |
TheInformer |
yeah that didnt work |
| 04:01 |
octacian |
It seems to me... IDK. |
| 04:02 |
octacian |
It seems as though if the tool being used to hit the entity damages 10 HP, the final damage done to the entity is somehow calculated by taking the two into consideration.. |
| 04:02 |
octacian |
I'm not sure how, but I think that's what's happening. |
| 04:03 |
octacian |
That's all I got. |
| 04:04 |
TheInformer |
is the armor hud in minetest_game? |
| 04:04 |
octacian |
MTG has no armor implemented. |
| 04:04 |
TheInformer |
it doesnt seem to be showing up |
| 04:04 |
TheInformer |
oh ok |
| 04:04 |
octacian |
Of any type. |
| 04:04 |
TheInformer |
I have 3d amor |
| 04:04 |
TheInformer |
armor |
| 04:04 |
octacian |
That's weird then. |
| 04:05 |
TheInformer |
kinda |
| 04:05 |
octacian |
A quick FYI though, not even the health or breath HUDs are in MTG :P |
| 04:05 |
TheInformer |
welp, I'm gonna go eat some cereal and play some hl2 |
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cimbakahn |
In my mods, do i replace 'nodeupdate' with 'check for falling' ? |
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sofar |
core.check_for_falling |
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kaeza |
s/core/minetest/ |
| 05:45 |
kaeza |
:) |
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kaeza |
what was the reason behind naming it `core`, again? |
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sofar |
I have no idea |
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fireglow |
where can I find a complete tool_definition? http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_tool is incomplete |
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fireglow |
for example, on_drop is missing |
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Gaffel |
A quick question. Where do I unpack a texturepack in Linux? I have put one here: ~/.minetest/.textures/sphax |
| 11:04 |
Gaffel |
But it doesn't show in Minetest |
| 11:04 |
sfan5 |
should be textures instead of .textures |
| 11:05 |
Gaffel |
I've tried that. |
| 11:05 |
Gaffel |
The wiki said .textures though. |
| 11:05 |
sfan5 |
link to the page where it says that? |
| 11:08 |
Gaffel |
Can't find it now. That article doesn't show up. :/ |
| 11:10 |
Gaffel |
I placed it here: ~/.minetest/textures/all/ |
| 11:10 |
sfan5 |
http://wiki.minetest.net/Installing_Texture_Packs |
| 11:10 |
sfan5 |
it says ./textures |
| 11:10 |
Out`Of`Control |
Hi |
| 11:10 |
Gaffel |
oh, sorry. Yes |
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Out`Of`Control |
What mobs mod work decent with recent minetest dev |
| 11:11 |
Gaffel |
Can I only have one texturepack installed at one time? |
| 11:11 |
sfan5 |
Out`Of`Control: probably all of them |
| 11:11 |
sfan5 |
Gaffel: yes but you can only use one at a time |
| 11:11 |
Gaffel |
It seems like it only accepts a texturepack if it's located in "all". |
| 11:11 |
sfan5 |
place the folder "sphax" under ~/.minetest/textures/ |
| 11:12 |
Gaffel |
ah, it shows up now... hmm |
| 11:12 |
Gaffel |
Thanks. =) |
| 11:12 |
Out`Of`Control |
sfan5: then one i had does not work, as mobs stay alive with zero health |
| 11:13 |
sfan5 |
which one did you try? |
| 11:13 |
Out`Of`Control |
i would like to try a new one |
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Out`Of`Control |
sfan5: it was for of pilzadam |
| 11:14 |
Out`Of`Control |
fork* |
| 11:14 |
sfan5 |
that one is ancient |
| 11:15 |
sfan5 |
use one of those listed here http://www.minetest.net/customize/#mods |
| 11:15 |
Out`Of`Control |
sfan5: thank you |
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rdococ |
hi |
| 12:37 |
rdococ |
hm |
| 12:38 |
rubenwardy |
hi rdococ |
| 12:40 |
Calinou |
I just tagged v1.0.0 of More Blocks, More Ores and Map Tools :) |
| 12:41 |
Calinou |
it'll follow semantic versioning from now on, and have a changelog |
| 12:41 |
rdococ |
hi rubenwardy |
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rdococ |
yay |
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cimbakahn |
Hello! |
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cimbakahn |
What is ABM ? |
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fireglow |
hi cimbakahn =) |
| 13:24 |
fireglow |
!mod antipest |
| 13:24 |
MinetestBot |
fireglow: antipest ---- get rid of that sunflowers by Gundul - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=16415 |
| 13:24 |
fireglow |
heh |
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cimbakahn |
fireglow, Hello! What's up? |
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rubenwardy |
cimbakahn, http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/chapters/abms.html |
| 13:28 |
rdococ |
hm |
| 13:28 |
rdococ |
should I add a laptop with the computer maybe? |
| 13:28 |
cimbakahn |
rubenwardy, Thank you! |
| 13:29 |
rdococ |
I'm thinking about giving my computer the ability to interact with digilines |
| 13:30 |
cimbakahn |
rubenwardy, I really don't want a college education on coding though. The reason i asked the question is because this shows up very many times ----> WARNING[Server]: Map::setNodeTimer(): Block not found |
| 13:31 |
rubenwardy |
you can probably ignore |
| 13:31 |
rubenwardy |
node timers aren't ABMs, they run a function on a node after an interval |
| 13:31 |
rubenwardy |
and that node appears to have been unloaded |
| 13:32 |
rubenwardy |
or wasn't loaded in the first place - that's it |
| 13:32 |
cimbakahn |
rubenwardy, Ok. Because they were talking about them here ----> https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=14780 |
| 13:34 |
cimbakahn |
rubenwardy, WARNING[Server]: active block modifiers took 203ms (longer than 200ms) |
| 13:35 |
rubenwardy |
that is an ABM - but you can ignore that as well |
| 13:35 |
cimbakahn |
rubenwardy, Is that normal? |
| 13:35 |
rubenwardy |
it's basically complaining that an ABM is being slow |
| 13:35 |
rubenwardy |
very normal |
| 13:35 |
cimbakahn |
rubenwardy, Ok. |
| 13:36 |
rdococ |
I thought that was obvious |
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| 13:41 |
rdococ |
yay computers are now craftable in my mod |
| 13:41 |
rdococ |
I mean, sure, they require mesecons to craft but still |
| 13:43 |
cimbakahn |
rubenwardy, Am i to replace 'tile_images' with 'tiles' ? |
| 13:46 |
rdococ |
mine seems to be the only computer with a gui |
| 13:46 |
rdococ |
at least one that you use to interact with the programs |
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rdococ |
hi |
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nman3600 |
Hey, it's been ages since i've been here |
| 13:56 |
Jordach |
o78 |
| 13:56 |
Jordach |
pfft |
| 13:56 |
riff-IRC |
Hello |
| 13:57 |
rdococ |
hi |
| 13:57 |
rdococ |
ih |
| 13:58 |
riff-IRC |
? |
| 13:58 |
rdococ |
it's my way of saying hello |
| 13:58 |
fireglow |
hihuihuiuhi |
| 13:58 |
riff-IRC |
Oh Ok |
| 13:58 |
riff-IRC |
HiHiHi |
| 13:58 |
rdococ |
ihihihiihih |
| 13:58 |
rdococ |
‮bonjour |
| 13:58 |
riff-IRC |
hIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhIhI |
| 13:58 |
fireglow |
GREETINGS EARTHLINGS HOW ARE YOUR EFFORTS COMING ALONG |
| 13:59 |
rdococ |
EFFORTS IN WHAT |
| 13:59 |
riff-IRC |
? |
| 13:59 |
fireglow |
that's my way of saying hello |
| 13:59 |
riff-IRC |
WHAT EFFORTS |
| 13:59 |
fireglow |
IN PROCREATION |
| 13:59 |
riff-IRC |
WHAT IS THAT |
| 13:59 |
rdococ |
PROCREATION IS A SENSITIVE SUBJECT FOR US |
| 13:59 |
fireglow |
WHAT ELSE IS THERE FOR YOU TO DO ANYWAY |
| 13:59 |
riff-IRC |
MESS WITH LUA CODE |
| 13:59 |
rdococ |
**** YOU |
| 13:59 |
rdococ |
:p |
| 13:59 |
rdococ |
LITERALLY LOL |
| 13:59 |
riff-IRC |
LOL |
| 13:59 |
riff-IRC |
LOL |
| 13:59 |
riff-IRC |
LOL |
| 13:59 |
riff-IRC |
LOL |
| 13:59 |
riff-IRC |
LOL |
| 13:59 |
riff-IRC |
LOL |
| 13:59 |
riff-IRC |
LOL |
| 13:59 |
riff-IRC |
LOL |
| 13:59 |
riff-IRC |
LOL |
| 13:59 |
fireglow |
WE WILL HARVEST THIS PLANET PRETTY SOON |
| 14:00 |
rdococ |
DON'T YOU DARE HARVEST THIS PLANET OR YOU WILL BE FORCED TO PROCREATE |
| 14:00 |
fireglow |
NEED THAT HUMAN PROTEIN |
| 14:00 |
rdococ |
PROCREATE WITH A HUMAN |
| 14:00 |
riff-IRC |
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 14:00 |
rdococ |
SINCE THAT'S ALL YOU THINK WE DO |
| 14:00 |
riff-IRC |
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 14:00 |
rdococ |
(:p) |
| 14:00 |
riff-IRC |
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 14:00 |
rdococ |
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 14:00 |
riff-IRC |
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 14:00 |
rdococ |
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 14:00 |
riff-IRC |
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 14:00 |
rdococ |
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 14:00 |
riff-IRC |
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 14:00 |
rdococ |
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 14:00 |
riff-IRC |
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 14:01 |
rdococ |
okay stop |
| 14:01 |
riff-IRC |
ok |
| 14:01 |
rdococ |
you're flooding #minetest |
| 14:01 |
rubenwardy |
sfan5 |
| 14:01 |
riff-IRC |
### |
| 14:01 |
rdococ |
wow |
| 14:01 |
rdococ |
5 fans? |
| 14:01 |
rdococ |
:O |
| 14:03 |
rdococ |
bored |
| 14:05 |
rdococ |
boroned |
| 14:05 |
rdococ |
borong |
| 14:05 |
rdococ |
meh |
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rdococ |
ih |
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Krock |
*scrolls up* |
| 14:13 |
Krock |
http://media.riffsy.com/images/dda4afbd1514da0f6b0aef6d33ddd65b/raw |
| 14:15 |
fireglow |
less posting, more procreation |
| 14:16 |
rdococ |
Krock! |
| 14:16 |
rdococ |
oh shut up about procreation |
| 14:17 |
rdococ |
Krock went silent again? oh no :c |
| 14:17 |
fireglow |
the only time to shut up talking about procreation is procreating |
| 14:17 |
rdococ |
procreate yourself fireglow |
| 14:18 |
fireglow |
that yields no usable result |
| 14:19 |
rdococ |
good |
| 14:19 |
rdococ |
why do people like Krock appear for one second and then disappear again |
| 14:19 |
rdococ |
it's annoying |
| 14:20 |
rdococ |
at least say afk or something |
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| 14:20 |
fireglow |
lol |
| 14:21 |
fireglow |
that's stupid |
| 14:21 |
fireglow |
do you know how much spam would be in here from people saying "afk" or "back" |
| 14:21 |
fireglow |
and for what? They'll read the message when they have time. IRC is not instant messaging. |
| 14:21 |
rdococ |
everyone knows IRC means instant relay chat |
| 14:22 |
Persi[m] |
It actually does instantly relay messages |
| 14:22 |
rdococ |
also they only need to say afk if they've actually talked |
| 14:22 |
fireglow |
"ok" |
| 14:22 |
rdococ |
this is coming from the person telling us that our only purpose is procreating |
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Persi[m] |
But the only purpose of procreation is so that we can instantly relay more messages |
| 14:24 |
rdococ |
uh |
| 14:24 |
rdococ |
is it? |
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fireglow |
no no, you must procreate even HARDER, obviously |
| 14:24 |
Persi[m] |
Of course, what else? |
| 14:24 |
rdococ |
can we stop talking about procreation and start talking about my WORKING computer mod |
| 14:25 |
zyabin101 |
About what in favour of what ? |
| 14:25 |
fireglow |
nothing can beat procreation, not even your garbled Lua code |
| 14:25 |
zyabin101 |
Procreation ? |
| 14:25 |
rdococ |
for fucks sake stop |
| 14:25 |
fireglow |
I see you're on the right track |
| 14:26 |
zyabin101 |
rdococ ... |
| 14:26 |
rdococ |
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 14:26 |
rdococ |
what did I do wrong |
| 14:26 |
fireglow |
now you just gotta stop stopping and start procreating |
| 14:26 |
rdococ |
okay sure |
| 14:26 |
rdococ |
whatever |
| 14:26 |
fireglow |
great |
| 14:26 |
zyabin101 |
Procreate ? |
| 14:26 |
* rdococ |
hopes the /ignore command works |
| 14:27 |
rdococ |
ahh |
| 14:27 |
rdococ |
peace and quiet |
| 14:27 |
zyabin101 |
I joined in the middle of a discourse. :/ |
| 14:27 |
fireglow |
you cannot ignore your deepest urge |
| 14:27 |
rdococ |
now let's talk computers |
| 14:27 |
rdococ |
I bet he's making a joke about intercourse right about now |
| 14:27 |
fireglow |
zyabin101 what would you say is your foremost urge? |
| 14:27 |
rdococ |
it'd be funny if my prediction was true, but inevitable |
| 14:27 |
zyabin101 |
IDK |
| 14:27 |
rdococ |
zyabin101, was my prediction true? |
| 14:27 |
zyabin101 |
IDK |
| 14:28 |
fireglow |
but procreation and intercourse are not even the same thing |
| 14:28 |
rdococ |
er |
| 14:28 |
rdococ |
ok |
| 14:28 |
zyabin101 |
I joined in the middle of the discourse aboit procreaton |
| 14:28 |
zyabin101 |
s/oit/out/ |
| 14:28 |
fireglow |
well, what is your opinion on the matter, zyabin101? |
| 14:29 |
zyabin101 |
s/to/tio/ |
| 14:29 |
rdococ |
you mean the discourse I wanted to stop? |
| 14:29 |
rdococ |
seriously it drove me crazy |
| 14:29 |
zyabin101 |
fireglow, IDK what to say. |
| 14:29 |
rdococ |
wonder what fireglow's saying right now |
| 14:29 |
rdococ |
I have no idea. I ignored him. |
| 14:29 |
zyabin101 |
IDK what's procreating ;/ |
| 14:30 |
rdococ |
anyway |
| 14:30 |
rdococ |
any ideas for more programs for my computer mod? |
| 14:30 |
fireglow |
zyabin101: making babies |
| 14:30 |
zyabin101 |
rdococ, what do you have? |
| 14:30 |
zyabin101 |
Nodes? |
| 14:30 |
rdococ |
I'm thinking about moving the programs to disk so you can run custom programs |
| 14:30 |
zyabin101 |
fireglow, then I'm out |
| 14:30 |
zyabin101 |
rdococ, nice idea! |
| 14:31 |
rdococ |
my computer mod has a single node. its formspec is the gui |
| 14:31 |
zyabin101 |
Make floppy disks on which you can write programs. |
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| 14:31 |
zyabin101 |
Items? |
| 14:32 |
zyabin101 |
A network submod maybe? |
| 14:32 |
zyabin101 |
Floppies on which programs and files can be written. |
| 14:33 |
zyabin101 |
Up to 1440 KiB's worth of data :D |
| 14:33 |
zyabin101 |
As for programs, an OS that interacts with the floppies and networking. |
| 14:34 |
zyabin101 |
rdococ, I am kinda done |
| 14:36 |
zyabin101 |
Oh, and also Lua! |
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zyabin101 |
Idea: an FFFS mod. |
| 14:38 |
zyabin101 |
Frames for Formspecs |
| 14:38 |
cimbakahn |
WARNING[Main]: Field "maxwear" is deprecated; replace with uses=1/maxwear <---- Does this mean, wherever there is 'maxwear' you are supposed to put 'uses=1/' In front of it? |
| 14:39 |
sfan5 |
it means exactly what it says |
| 14:39 |
sfan5 |
if you have maxwear=4 somewhere it should be replaced with uses=1/4 |
| 14:41 |
zyabin101 |
FFFS is a kinda gamified formspec editor. |
| 14:41 |
rdococ |
can minetest.serialize serialize tables with more than 2 levels of nesting? |
| 14:41 |
zyabin101 |
You craft a formspec frame and some components for the formspec. |
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zyabin101 |
These can be linked somehow to the outside world, and can be written on. |
| 14:42 |
sfan5 |
rdococ: of course it can |
| 14:42 |
rdococ |
k |
| 14:42 |
zyabin101 |
So, let me tell a story. |
| 14:42 |
fireglow |
about procreation? |
| 14:42 |
zyabin101 |
A user story, that is. |
| 14:43 |
zyabin101 |
fireglow ... no |
| 14:43 |
fireglow |
alright, fair enough |
| 14:43 |
rdococ |
okay |
| 14:43 |
zyabin101 |
Sam finds wood and a special component for the wooden formspec frame. |
| 14:44 |
Niebieski |
Hello everybody... |
| 14:44 |
rdococ |
so some metadata is set to a function (serialized ofc) and later on deserialized for use. |
| 14:44 |
rdococ |
why doesn't that work? |
| 14:44 |
zyabin101 |
After it's crafted and placed in the world, Sam now has a personal formspec he can edit. |
| 14:44 |
zyabin101 |
And others can view, of course. |
| 14:45 |
rdococ |
the function only uses the parameters passed to it |
| 14:45 |
zyabin101 |
Next, Sam gets some more components. |
| 14:45 |
rdococ |
can Sam make the formspec interactive? |
| 14:45 |
zyabin101 |
Yes! |
| 14:46 |
zyabin101 |
For example, he gets and crafts a wooden formspec button. |
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rdococ |
is this correct?: |
| 14:46 |
rdococ |
minetest.deserialize(meta:get_string("running"))(pos, meta, fields, sender) |
| 14:46 |
IhrFussel |
2017-02-19 15:43:54: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: In thread 7f4f6bc84700: |
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IhrFussel |
2017-02-19 15:43:54: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: /home/minetest/minetest/src/network/connection.cpp:60d: bool con::ConnectionSendThread::rawSendAsPacket(irr::u16, irr::u8, SharedBuffer<unsigned char>, bool): A fatal error occured: Trying to send raw packet reliable but no peer found! |
| 14:46 |
rdococ |
"running" is set when the node is placed |
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rdococ |
so what am I doing wrong? |
| 14:47 |
rdococ |
it says I'm trying to call a nil value, so I can only assume minetest.deserialize(meta:get_string("running")) somehow evaluated to ni |
| 14:47 |
rdococ |
nil* |
| 14:47 |
zyabin101 |
Once it's placed in the formspec frame, he can put some mesecons on some side of the frame (for example), |
| 14:47 |
zyabin101 |
then link it to that side of the frame. |
| 14:47 |
rdococ |
can mesecons change the formspec? |
| 14:48 |
zyabin101 |
No. |
| 14:48 |
rdococ |
oh. |
| 14:48 |
rdococ |
so basically a useless gameified version of digistuff touchscreen? |
| 14:48 |
zyabin101 |
But the formspec can interact with the mesecons. |
| 14:49 |
zyabin101 |
Also, you can make something else with an FFFS integration. |
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| 14:51 |
rdococ |
meta:set_string("disk", minetest.serialize(fresh)) where fresh is the state of a newly created computer doesn't seem to work |
| 14:51 |
rdococ |
what am I doing wrong?! |
| 14:51 |
rdococ |
no? nobody here? |
| 14:51 |
rdococ |
ffffff |
| 14:51 |
rdococ |
fffs |
| 14:51 |
Krock |
calm down and be patient |
| 14:52 |
Krock |
minetest.serialize() will "convert" a table to a string |
| 14:52 |
Krock |
minetest.deserialize does the reverse |
| 14:52 |
rdococ |
I know |
| 14:52 |
Krock |
this means you can serialize string and numbers, but functions will fail |
| 14:52 |
Krock |
*strings |
| 14:52 |
rdococ |
what?! |
| 14:52 |
rdococ |
that's not what the minetest wiki said. |
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Krock |
well, when you serialize it, then you get a string in the format "return { key1 = "blah", bar = 0.001, baz = { .... }}" |
| 14:53 |
rdococ |
I am aware of that |
| 14:53 |
Krock |
putting a function in that is quite hard |
| 14:54 |
rdococ |
"return function (a, b, c) { return c }" |
| 14:54 |
fireglow |
VanessaE: https://fireglow.de/755/share/screenshot_20170219_154755.png |
| 14:54 |
fireglow |
the bushes start floating! |
| 14:54 |
Krock |
Lua, especially LuaJIT compiles all the code and compresses it to bytecode to execute it faster |
| 14:54 |
zyabin101 |
Maybe make the OS parse and interpret a string? |
| 14:54 |
Krock |
raw code is hostory |
| 14:54 |
Krock |
*history |
| 14:55 |
Krock |
fireglow, the bush throwing challenge |
| 14:56 |
zyabin101 |
Krock, the bush throwing contest? Rules? Link? :3 |
| 14:56 |
rdococ |
well |
| 14:56 |
rdococ |
I'm not too sure about allowing loadstring |
| 14:56 |
rdococ |
s/allowing/using |
| 14:56 |
fireglow |
Krock ;) |
| 14:56 |
rdococ |
wait |
| 14:56 |
Krock |
zyabin101, I'm not aware of the rules, sorry. |
| 14:57 |
rdococ |
"Convert a string returned by minetest.serialize() into a table. String is loaded in an empty sandbox environment. Will load functions, but they cannot access the global environment. " |
| 14:57 |
rdococ |
explain |
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rdococ |
for the time being I've reverted to the system where programs are stored in a semi-global table accessible by the mod |
| 14:59 |
Krock |
lovely. it can save the bytecode |
| 14:59 |
rdococ |
? |
| 14:59 |
Krock |
> return string.format("loadstring(%q)", string.dump(function(x) print(x) end)) |
| 14:59 |
Krock |
loadstring("\27LJ\1\0\6=stdin)\0\1\3\0\1\0\4\9\1\0004\1\0\0\16\2\0\0>\1\2\1G\0\1\0\print\0\0\0\0x\0\0\5\0\0") |
| 15:00 |
Krock |
but it can't execute it. lol |
| 15:00 |
rdococ |
wait |
| 15:01 |
rdococ |
could the bytecode itself be considered a language? |
| 15:01 |
rdococ |
if so I'd like to learn it. if not I'd still like to learn it. |
| 15:02 |
Krock |
bytecode is like assembler, just with an intepreter in between |
| 15:02 |
zyabin101 |
rdococ, is the computer mod on forums? :3 |
| 15:02 |
rdococ |
mine? not yet |
| 15:02 |
rdococ |
I haven't finished it :p |
| 15:02 |
Krock |
rdococ, apparently I was wrong with that functions couldn't be serialized too :/ |
| 15:03 |
sfan5 |
the bytecode thing can be done |
| 15:03 |
rdococ |
then the issue must have been something else |
| 15:03 |
sfan5 |
not sure if minetest.serialize actually does it |
| 15:03 |
rdococ |
ugh now I'm even more confuse |
| 15:03 |
rdococ |
confused* |
| 15:03 |
rdococ |
hm |
| 15:03 |
sfan5 |
but mod security disallows you to load bytecode |
| 15:03 |
rdococ |
what happens if you try anyway? |
| 15:04 |
Krock |
> return loadstring(string.dump(function(x) print(x) end))("test") |
| 15:04 |
Krock |
test |
| 15:04 |
Krock |
without mod security and anything around it works perfectly |
| 15:04 |
rdococ |
as far as I am aware, minetest.deserialize is just loadstring in a sandbox |
| 15:05 |
rdococ |
but what happens if you try anyway? |
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rdococ |
if you just get nil that could be the problem |
| 15:06 |
rdococ |
does mod security prevent .deserializing functions? |
| 15:06 |
Krock |
not sure. that function is in builtin, which also needs access to other files |
| 15:07 |
Krock |
just try it |
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rdococ |
will do |
| 15:09 |
sfan5 |
rdococ: mod security will not allow you to load bytecode |
| 15:09 |
rdococ |
I am aware of that |
| 15:09 |
rdococ |
nope |
| 15:09 |
rdococ |
even when I add it as a trusted mod |
| 15:09 |
Krock |
add builtin as trusted mod |
| 15:09 |
rdococ |
k |
| 15:10 |
rdococ |
nope |
| 15:10 |
rdococ |
still |
| 15:10 |
rdococ |
I feel like the error's in my code |
| 15:11 |
rdococ |
I should tell you that the desktop doesn't detect any programs in disk.programs |
| 15:11 |
rdococ |
which tells me that serializing the whole disk failed somehow |
| 15:12 |
rdococ |
but then again I iterate over it |
| 15:12 |
rdococ |
so disk.programs ms |
| 15:12 |
rdococ |
must be a table |
| 15:12 |
rdococ |
otherwise the error could be different and occur before exiting the gui for the first time |
| 15:12 |
rdococ |
s/could/would |
| 15:13 |
rdococ |
does it handle tables with functions in? |
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sfan5 |
either it handles functions or it doesn't |
| 15:13 |
sfan5 |
whether they are in tables or not does not make a difference |
| 15:13 |
rdococ |
you're probably right |
| 15:14 |
rdococ |
the only information I could get is conflicting |
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rdococ |
I tried a little test |
| 15:15 |
rdococ |
minetest.deserialize(minetest.serialize(function (x) return x end))(3) |
| 15:15 |
rdococ |
says I'm trying to call a nil value |
| 15:15 |
rdococ |
seems to be proof that it doesn't handle functions |
| 15:15 |
rdococ |
more accurately, deserialize can handle it but serialize can't |
| 15:16 |
rdococ |
unless I were to try to modify minetest.serialize which will probably end badly |
| 15:16 |
rdococ |
does minetest.serialize on tables use minetest.serialize for the table's children? |
| 15:17 |
rdococ |
probably not |
| 15:17 |
rdococ |
but still |
| 15:17 |
sfan5 |
obviously it does |
| 15:17 |
rdococ |
okay |
| 15:17 |
sfan5 |
also a tip: stop asking stupid questions and read the code |
| 15:18 |
rdococ |
I don't have access to minetest.deserialize's code, how am I meant to? |
| 15:18 |
rdococ |
probably should have searched it |
| 15:19 |
sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/common/serialize.lua |
| 15:19 |
sfan5 |
minetest is open-source you know |
| 15:19 |
rdococ |
I do... kind of... |
| 15:19 |
rdococ |
okay |
| 15:19 |
rdococ |
from skimming through the code it looks to me as if serialize SHOULD be able to handle it |
| 15:20 |
rdococ |
wait! |
| 15:20 |
rdococ |
something interesting just happened. |
| 15:20 |
rdococ |
using loadstring rather than minetest.deserialize worked for my example above. |
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cimbakahn |
WARNING[Main]: Field "light_propagates": Deprecated; determined from paramtype ? |
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rdococ |
allowing builtin as a trusted mod breaks my previous code where the programs were stored in a semi-global programs table |
| 15:36 |
rdococ |
no wait |
| 15:36 |
rdococ |
it was nothing to do with my code |
| 15:36 |
rdococ |
for some reason there was some error relating to mesecons |
| 15:38 |
Krock |
then you've used it wrong |
| 15:38 |
Krock |
if it works with loadstring but not with deserialize |
| 15:39 |
rdococ |
hmm |
| 15:39 |
rdococ |
"return function () stuff end" |
| 15:39 |
rdococ |
okay |
| 15:39 |
rdococ |
put it this way |
| 15:40 |
rdococ |
minetest.deserialize(minetest.serialize(x)) should equal x, right? |
| 15:40 |
rdococ |
or, be functionally identical |
| 15:40 |
rdococ |
indistinguishable |
| 15:40 |
rdococ |
right? |
| 15:42 |
rdococ |
no? am I missing something? have I "used it wrong"? am I an idiot without a brain? |
| 15:43 |
rdococ |
I guess it doesn't matter either way. a computer that works at all is better than one that's purely decorative. |
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rdococ |
I could store programs in the disk as strings and then loadstring them but what's the point |
| 15:48 |
rdococ |
I want to create a computer node only because I can't copy my LuaQ code into MT anymore |
| 15:53 |
rdococ |
anyway... |
| 15:53 |
rdococ |
I'm bored and don't know which program to implement next |
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fireglow |
Somebody should suggest a procreation program to him |
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cimbakahn |
HAHAHAHA! |
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cimbakahn |
Anyone know what i should do about this ----> WARNING[Main]: Field "light_propagates": Deprecated; determined from paramtype |
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rdococ |
hm |
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cimbakahn |
115 files in the mods folder has the phrase 'light_propagates' in it. |
| 16:09 |
rdococ |
hm |
| 16:09 |
rdococ |
can I set node metadata to a table? |
| 16:09 |
rdococ |
nvm got it |
| 16:11 |
rdococ |
http://dev.minetest.net/NodeMetaRef does say you can serialize and deserialize functions |
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MinetestBot |
[git] red-001 -> minetest/minetest: Fix the documentation for `minetest.is_yes` (#5276) 01b2d2c https://git.io/vD5VH (2017-02-19T16:11:53Z) |
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rubenwardy |
any German speakers here? |
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rubenwardy |
I'd like a translation for "Fixed! Update the app to get it working again. And make sure to update your review if it works :)" |
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| 16:29 |
rdococ |
is an itemstack's meta stored like {fields = stuff} or just stuff? |
| 16:30 |
rubenwardy |
{fields=stuff} |
| 16:30 |
rubenwardy |
to make it consistent with node meta |
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PureTryOut[m] |
rubenwardy: nope, but I can translate it to Dutch if you want lol |
| 16:30 |
rdococ |
k |
| 16:30 |
rdococ |
makes sense |
| 16:31 |
rdococ |
for some reason item meta doesn't seem to have :from_table? |
| 16:31 |
rubenwardy |
It should do |
| 16:31 |
rubenwardy |
unless I made a bug |
| 16:31 |
rdococ |
attempt to call method 'from_table' (a nil value) |
| 16:32 |
rdococ |
the line is: itemstack:from_table(newItemMeta) |
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rubenwardy |
:get_meta() |
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rdococ |
oh |
| 16:32 |
rdococ |
duh |
| 16:32 |
rubenwardy |
itemstack:get_meta():from_table(metadata) |
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| 16:33 |
rdococ |
I make lots of dumb mistakes. |
| 16:33 |
Jordach |
^ |
| 16:33 |
rubenwardy |
or ItemStack(stack:to_table()) if you want to make an itemstack from a table |
| 16:33 |
rdococ |
still, lots of people don't get to make mistakes. |
| 16:33 |
rdococ |
nah, I want to give an existing itemstack metadata from node metadata. there's probably a better way to do it though. |
| 16:34 |
rdococ |
I'm creating a disk item, which when used on a computer swaps the metadata of the disk and the computer. |
| 16:35 |
rdococ |
The idea is, if you want to move your computer, you don't just break it (which destroys the data due to a lazy rdococ), you use the disk to keep the data. |
| 16:35 |
cimbakahn |
Anyone know what i should do about this ----> WARNING[Main]: Field "light_propagates": Deprecated; determined from paramtype |
| 16:35 |
cimbakahn |
115 files in the mods folder has the phrase 'light_propagates' in it. |
| 16:36 |
rdococ |
cimbakahn, what do you think 'light_propagates' means? |
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cimbakahn |
rdococ, I think it means that light will propagate the growth of plants. |
| 16:39 |
rdococ |
I don't think that's what it means |
| 16:39 |
rdococ |
but I guess I don't really know |
| 16:39 |
rdococ |
well, I think it means if light passes through the node |
| 16:39 |
rdococ |
but don't take my word for it |
| 16:40 |
cimbakahn |
Ok. |
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cimbakahn |
Does farming_redo replace the default farming? |
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PureTryOut[m] |
> well, I think it means if light passes through the node |
| 16:45 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I'm not sure `light_propagates` even exists, but `sunlight_propagates` definitely means if sunlight will goes through it |
| 16:45 |
PureTryOut[m] |
*will go through it |
| 16:46 |
PureTryOut[m] |
as seen [here](http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_node) |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
fireglow: *takes a step back& O_O |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
how the heck did you end up with THAT? |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
also, hi |
| 16:57 |
fireglow |
hi! |
| 16:57 |
fireglow |
updated biome and plantslife today and now the bushes start spawning above them in the air, lol |
| 16:57 |
fireglow |
no idea how that's possible |
| 16:57 |
VanessaE |
it's not. |
| 16:57 |
fireglow |
so I deleted the mod and put an alias in place to replace all bushes with air =) |
| 16:58 |
fireglow |
=> problem fixed |
| 16:58 |
rdococ |
ugh |
| 16:59 |
rdococ |
does itemstack:get_meta():from_table(stuff) change the itemstack's metadata? I do return itemstack at the end btw |
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| 17:01 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 17:01 |
rdococ |
okay... |
| 17:02 |
rdococ |
I think minetest.deserialize(minetest.get_meta(pos):to_table().fields.disk) gets the data of the disk at pos |
| 17:02 |
rdococ |
actually, why do I do that? |
| 17:02 |
* PureTryOut[m] |
uploaded an image: Screenshot_2017-02-19_18-02-33.png (20KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/GHmOuJHQOkgIkPVGwkSDlSXD |
| 17:02 |
rdococ |
I could just :get_string("disk") |
| 17:02 |
PureTryOut[m] |
so for some reason the second print prints out 0, while the first one prints 15 |
| 17:03 |
PureTryOut[m] |
(the `minetest.register_on_dignode()` is done after setting the node using `minetest.set_node()`) |
| 17:03 |
rubenwardy |
does choosen_spot == pos? |
| 17:03 |
PureTryOut[m] |
yes |
| 17:04 |
PureTryOut[m] |
printed them both out, they're equal |
| 17:04 |
PureTryOut[m] |
but here the second print is using the same variable as the first print |
| 17:04 |
rubenwardy |
the meta is probably destroyed before that point |
| 17:04 |
PureTryOut[m] |
still goes wrong for some reason |
| 17:04 |
rubenwardy |
or after set_node |
| 17:04 |
PureTryOut[m] |
yeah but not sure why |
| 17:04 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I tried setting the node after setting metadata as well, no dice |
| 17:04 |
rdococ |
if I try to :get_string() a field that hasn't been defined yet, what happens? |
| 17:06 |
rdococ |
tested it, it returns "" |
| 17:06 |
rdococ |
I think |
| 17:06 |
rdococ |
or nil |
| 17:06 |
rdococ |
either one works |
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| 17:07 |
PureTryOut[m] |
"" I think |
| 17:07 |
PureTryOut[m] |
as :get_int() returns 0 for me on a (seemingly) undefined field |
| 17:08 |
rubenwardy |
read the code, it returns "" |
| 17:08 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/script/lua_api/l_metadata.cpp#L63 |
| 17:08 |
PureTryOut[m] |
but yeah not sure why metadata is being destroyed... |
| 17:11 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I guess it's only destroyed/gone in that callback? doesn't make much sense to me tbh |
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| 17:12 |
rdococ |
register_on_dignode sounds like it happens when the node is dug |
| 17:12 |
rdococ |
that probably explains it |
| 17:12 |
PureTryOut[m] |
yup |
| 17:12 |
PureTryOut[m] |
it shouldn't though should it? |
| 17:12 |
PureTryOut[m] |
I guess I could do it differently, but yeah that makes sense now you say it |
| 17:14 |
rdococ |
:p |
| 17:15 |
PureTryOut[m] |
`{x = 0, y = 0, z = 0} ~= {x = 0, y = 0, z = 0}` it seems, strange |
| 17:15 |
rdococ |
well, I got the disk idea to work. |
| 17:15 |
rubenwardy |
PureTryOut[m], you're comparing table references not content |
| 17:15 |
rdococ |
to compare the two, I'd compare the individual components |
| 17:15 |
rdococ |
x, y and z |
| 17:15 |
rubenwardy |
use vector.equals http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/lua_api.html#vectorequalsv1v2 |
| 17:15 |
agaran |
PureTryOut[m]: you need to compare x/y/z components.. |
| 17:15 |
PureTryOut[m] |
yeah too bad :( |
| 17:16 |
PureTryOut[m] |
it just more typing :p |
| 17:16 |
PureTryOut[m] |
ooh |
| 17:16 |
kaeza |
greetings |
| 17:16 |
agaran |
PureTryOut[m]: read what rubenwardy said;) |
| 17:16 |
rubenwardy |
vector.equals({x = 0, y = 0, z = 0}, {x = 0, y = 0, z = 0}) |
| 17:16 |
PureTryOut[m] |
aah cool thanks |
| 17:16 |
agaran |
hi Kaeza, |
| 17:16 |
kaeza |
o/ agaran |
| 17:16 |
agaran |
sfan5: I know it is superflous to add sizeof(char) but it is evaluated at compile time so it does not matter at all for compiled code.. |
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| 17:19 |
PureTryOut[m] |
well I managed to do it without the metadata, cool :p |
| 17:19 |
rdococ |
lol how? |
| 17:20 |
rdococ |
params? |
| 17:20 |
cimbakahn |
Is this the newest awards mod? ----> https://github.com/minetest-mods/awards |
| 17:20 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 17:20 |
cimbakahn |
rubenwardy, Thankyou! |
| 17:21 |
sfan5 |
agaran: obviously but you know that / sizeof(char) has no effect even *before* compile-time so why bother to add it |
| 17:21 |
sfan5 |
it's like adding * 1 / 1 - 100 + 100 to all your calculations |
| 17:23 |
agaran |
sfan5: well I simply considered it as good if one gets crazy compiler one day where 'char' is not 8 bit.. |
| 17:23 |
agaran |
it happened before in history, and may happen again too |
| 17:23 |
rdococ |
lol |
| 17:23 |
agaran |
did I said something funny? |
| 17:24 |
rdococ |
yes |
| 17:24 |
sfan5 |
the bit amount of char will not change the sizeof |
| 17:24 |
agaran |
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2098149/what-platforms-have-something-other-than-8-bit-char |
| 17:24 |
agaran |
but sure I can revert that.. |
| 17:25 |
agaran |
maybe I was toying with weird stuff too much.. |
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| 17:27 |
PureTryOut[m] |
is it not possible for a mod to manually set the block rotation? I only see wallmount and facedir, but they're not exactly what I want. `minetest.rotate_and_place()` seems to want to figure out itself which direction the block has to "look" |
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PureTryOut[m] |
(also I already used paramtype2 for the plantlike drawtype, I rather not replace it for block orientation...) |
| 17:42 |
PureTryOut[m] |
so I guess not? I can not just tell a node to rotate itself to whatever direction even if there is no wall or player there? |
| 17:46 |
Taose |
Use the screwdriver? |
| 17:47 |
Taose |
It's hard to know what to advise if you don't tell us what you're doing or trying to do |
| 17:48 |
PureTryOut[m] |
... I'm trying to rotate a block by using a mod |
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PureTryOut[m] |
wait I'll record what happens now without rotating |
| 17:54 |
* PureTryOut[m] |
posted a file: 2017-02-19 18-51-42.mkv (5661KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/xhNmjhoGYqfYryJOJIvirraG |
| 17:55 |
PureTryOut[m] |
basically the "plant" has to rotate to the block placed next to it |
| 17:57 |
rdococ |
I decided that my disk will have a flattened inventory image (think Minecraft music disks), but a face-on wield image |
| 17:58 |
PureTryOut[m] |
^ better video, shows the plant how it should be just not rotated :/ |
| 17:58 |
rdococ |
using a disk on a computer swaps the metadata of the two (it also clears the formspec, ram and running fields). |
| 17:58 |
* PureTryOut[m] |
posted a file: Minetest.mkv (4234KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/fZftjsqVWwnVeWvpOjthmeKv |
| 17:58 |
PureTryOut[m] |
sorry was still uploading ^ |
| 18:01 |
fireglow |
VanessaE: it's not happening on my test-server. I'll re-enable bushes on the main server and see what happens. |
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fireglow |
PureTryOut[m]: just like whack-a-mole |
| 18:08 |
rdococ |
my computer's textures are 15x15 because of the pattern I wanted on the back |
| 18:08 |
rdococ |
but I think it still fits into MT |
| 18:09 |
rdococ |
I bet you probably wouldn't have even known without me telling you, even if you did have the mod |
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| 18:11 |
rdococ |
does anyone have any more ideas? |
| 18:13 |
rdococ |
... |
| 18:13 |
rdococ |
meh |
| 18:14 |
fireglow |
I have one, but you wouldn't want to hear it |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
no ideas? |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
:/ |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
wonder if fireglow actually has a good idea other than, you know, procreation. |
| 18:16 |
rdococ |
but I don't know, I ignored him. |
| 18:17 |
fireglow |
historically, procreation has been the best idea ever |
| 18:17 |
fireglow |
so I don't see why you would hate on it |
| 18:17 |
rdococ |
I don't hate procreation, I hate when it's the only topic you ever talk about. |
| 18:18 |
rdococ |
and btw, I unignored you. |
| 18:19 |
fireglow |
that's good news, certainly |
| 18:19 |
rdococ |
do you have any non-procreation-related ideas for my computer system? |
| 18:20 |
fireglow |
hmm |
| 18:20 |
Krock |
déjà vu |
| 18:20 |
fireglow |
oh hi Krock |
| 18:20 |
Krock |
hi again, fireglow |
| 18:20 |
fireglow |
nice to see you again, have you been busy? |
| 18:20 |
fireglow |
with, you know, stuff |
| 18:20 |
fireglow |
pro...crastination, for example? |
| 18:20 |
rdococ |
... |
| 18:20 |
Krock |
yes, exactly that |
| 18:20 |
fireglow |
rdococ: hmm, where can I look at this mod of yours? |
| 18:20 |
fireglow |
Krock ^_^ |
| 18:20 |
Krock |
no, not pro...crastinatio but other stuff |
| 18:21 |
rdococ |
what other stuff? |
| 18:21 |
Krock |
you know, stuff. |
| 18:21 |
fireglow |
recreation, possibly |
| 18:21 |
rdococ |
-_- |
| 18:21 |
rdococ |
what stuff |
| 18:21 |
rdococ |
stuff is not defined |
| 18:21 |
rdococ |
if it is, at least not well-defined |
| 18:22 |
Krock |
#define stuff |
| 18:22 |
Krock |
now it's at least defined |
| 18:24 |
rdococ |
still not well-defined |
| 18:24 |
rdococ |
LOL |
| 18:24 |
rdococ |
there are people in #define |
| 18:26 |
fireglow |
maybe they can define stuff for you |
| 18:28 |
rdococ |
Krock: also, you forgot to define define |
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fireglow |
VanessaE: ok the problem returned on my main server :D |
| 18:42 |
fireglow |
it looks funky |
| 18:43 |
fireglow |
VanessaE: EVERYTHING full of flying bushes |
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fireglow |
VanessaE: feel free to have a look: games.firc.de:30000 |
| 18:46 |
cimbakahn |
Would this message go away if i changed the light_source = 15 to light_source = 14 ? ----> https://hastebin.com/obuvaxemiw.pas |
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cimbakahn |
Yes! fireglow has a very nice server. |
| 18:50 |
fireglow |
cimbakahn: why thank you :) Always happy to see you there |
| 18:54 |
cimbakahn |
fireglow, You are very welcome! |
| 18:57 |
rdococ |
I bet games.firc.de:30000 is full of procreation |
| 18:57 |
fireglow |
you bet |
| 18:57 |
rdococ |
I guess I'll find out |
| 18:57 |
fireglow |
be sure to read the signs =) |
| 18:58 |
fireglow |
tell me if you want to see the mysterious flying bush |
| 18:58 |
fireglow |
and that is not a euphemism |
| 18:58 |
rdococ |
it's easy to make a flying bush. |
| 18:58 |
rdococ |
heck, I could make one that moved. |
| 18:58 |
rdococ |
all I need is meshnode. |
| 18:58 |
fireglow |
yeah but these are mysterious ones |
| 19:02 |
cimbakahn |
fireglow, Mysterious flying bush? |
| 19:04 |
kaeza |
http://i.imgur.com/r8wWFeb.jpg |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
LOL |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
kaeza, did you create that right now? |
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kaeza |
Krock, nope |
| 19:06 |
Fixer |
ha |
| 19:07 |
fireglow |
cimbakahn: yes, there's an issue with the bushes mod on our server at the moment, they spawn in the air |
| 19:09 |
cimbakahn |
fireglow, Cool! |
| 19:10 |
cimbakahn |
Does anyone have experience with the stargate mod? The real stargate mod. |
| 19:12 |
kaeza |
which is the "real" stargate mod? :P |
| 19:13 |
jcjordyn120 |
woah I didn't know you were here kaeza and Krock |
| 19:13 |
agaran |
cimbakahn: yes, I do it made me crash few times.. then I removed it |
| 19:13 |
kaeza |
ohai jcjordyn120 |
| 19:14 |
Krock |
surprise |
| 19:14 |
jcjordyn120 |
lol |
| 19:18 |
cimbakahn |
agaran, Just a sec. |
| 19:20 |
cimbakahn |
agaran, I get this ----> https://hastebin.com/ejeneduwew.cs |
| 19:20 |
GNU[BDC] |
hi |
| 19:20 |
fireglow |
rdococ: how was your experience with the bushes? |
| 19:20 |
rdococ |
amazing |
| 19:21 |
fireglow |
it could become our main attraction |
| 19:21 |
fireglow |
the server with the flying bushes |
| 19:21 |
rdococ |
that procreate |
| 19:21 |
rdococ |
it's like adam and eve but inverted |
| 19:21 |
fireglow |
lol |
| 19:22 |
rdococ |
I need new ideas for my computer |
| 19:22 |
kaeza |
use the HTTP API? |
| 19:23 |
agaran |
cimbakahn: not something I saw but.. I am not motivated enough to try stargate again within next year or so.. |
| 19:23 |
rdococ |
I was thinking of doing that but meh... I'm not sure |
| 19:23 |
Hijiri |
computer? |
| 19:23 |
rdococ |
computer node |
| 19:23 |
rdococ |
in my computer mod |
| 19:23 |
rdococ |
one that actually works too |
| 19:23 |
Hijiri |
which one |
| 19:24 |
rdococ |
? |
| 19:24 |
kaeza |
implement an SSH client backed by a real computer? create a chroot jail for every computer node and allow running real commands? |
| 19:24 |
rdococ |
mine hasn't been released to the open ywt |
| 19:24 |
Hijiri |
oh |
| 19:24 |
kaeza |
...change textures? :P |
| 19:25 |
rdococ |
change the textures? |
| 19:25 |
rdococ |
it looks great |
| 19:25 |
Out`Of`Control |
is there option to delete user while server is running? |
| 19:26 |
rdococ |
atm it has a text editor and a calculator |
| 19:26 |
rdococ |
a web browser could be implemented but not a good one |
| 19:26 |
Hijiri |
is it programmable? |
| 19:26 |
rdococ |
not really... depends what you mean |
| 19:27 |
Hijiri |
the user can program the computer using code |
| 19:27 |
rdococ |
not yet |
| 19:27 |
Hijiri |
that's a feature idea then |
| 19:27 |
rdococ |
when I tried to store programs on disk it kinda broke |
| 19:28 |
rdococ |
I could store it as a string |
| 19:28 |
rdococ |
and then loadstring it but that would be dangerous as hell |
| 19:29 |
Hijiri |
give it a sandboxed environment |
| 19:29 |
rdococ |
I tried using serialize but that didn't work either |
| 19:30 |
cimbakahn |
agaran, I don't blame you. I will fix this though. |
| 19:30 |
rdococ |
which version of lua does MT use? |
| 19:30 |
kaeza |
5.1/LuaJit |
| 19:30 |
rdococ |
k |
| 19:31 |
kaeza |
also, what broke with files? |
| 19:32 |
kaeza |
what "didn't work" with serialize? |
| 19:33 |
rdococ |
I couldn't deserialize functions (but I could serialize them). |
| 19:33 |
Krock |
would be interesting to serialize the serialization function |
| 19:33 |
Krock |
serialception |
| 19:33 |
rdococ |
meh... |
| 19:34 |
rdococ |
I could create a base program that would be able to run code from disk |
| 19:34 |
agaran |
cimbakahn: well I crashed few times already when I was trying it so.. |
| 19:34 |
agaran |
it looks cool true.. |
| 19:35 |
cimbakahn |
agaran, Me too! |
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| 19:43 |
rdococ |
meh.. |
| 19:45 |
rdococ |
hm |
| 19:45 |
rdococ |
should I make the disk system realistic - eg you can get the disk out of a computer and the computer can't function, or not? |
| 19:45 |
rdococ |
disk being hard disk in this case but meh |
| 19:45 |
rdococ |
hm |
| 19:46 |
fireglow |
what's on the disk |
| 19:46 |
fireglow |
? |
| 19:46 |
fireglow |
oh you mean just so it turns on.. yeah sure |
| 19:47 |
rdococ |
the disk contains documents |
| 19:47 |
rdococ |
atm you can make a disk, and using the disk on the computer effectively swaps the data between the two |
| 19:48 |
rdococ |
so say you have a disk with something like {asdf = "asdf"}, and the computer has {qwer = "qwer"}, after using it the disk will have qwer and the computer asdf |
| 19:48 |
fireglow |
nice! |
| 19:55 |
rdococ |
I really would like the OS to be user-programmable |
| 19:56 |
rdococ |
I just don't know the best way to do it |
| 19:56 |
rdococ |
heck, atm the text editor can only save in one folder |
| 19:56 |
rdococ |
the documents folder |
| 19:59 |
fireglow |
call me when you can play minetest on the computer in minetest which you play on the computer |
| 20:02 |
rdococ |
fireglow, I doubt that will ever happen. how am I meant to display 3d graphics on a FORMSPEC? |
| 20:02 |
fireglow |
hmm! Food for thought, food for thought. |
| 20:02 |
rdococ |
I could do 2d though |
| 20:02 |
rdococ |
or isometric |
| 20:03 |
fireglow |
text-based minetest |
| 20:03 |
fireglow |
You see a default:dirt. |
| 20:03 |
rdococ |
dig default:dirt |
| 20:03 |
fireglow |
You receive one default:dirt. |
| 20:03 |
fireglow |
You are overburdened. |
| 20:03 |
rdococ |
walk forward. |
| 20:03 |
fireglow |
You are overburdened. |
| 20:03 |
rdococ |
drop default:dirt. |
| 20:04 |
fireglow |
xD |
| 20:04 |
rdococ |
walk forward. |
| 20:04 |
rubenwardy |
you could place individual pixels as images |
| 20:04 |
rubenwardy |
although you'd have to implement your own software rendering engine |
| 20:04 |
rdococ |
meh |
| 20:04 |
rdococ |
wonder how I would be able to integrate an inventory into the computer |
| 20:12 |
cimbakahn |
agaran, It's getting better! ------> https://hastebin.com/iwoleqekap.vbs |
| 20:15 |
fireglow |
VanessaE: eeeeeee |
| 20:16 |
cimbakahn |
fireglow, Do you have the 'farming_redo' mod on your server? And do you have it listed as just 'farming' ? And does it replace default 'farming' ? |
| 20:16 |
fireglow |
cimbakahn: sec, let me find out |
| 20:17 |
rdococ |
open now gives you a dropdown |
| 20:17 |
rdococ |
problem is, when you open a file, change it and save it, the dropdown bugs out |
| 20:18 |
fireglow |
cimbakahn: hmm, I heave https://github.com/tenplus1/farming.git and https://github.com/BlockMen/farming_plus.git |
| 20:19 |
fireglow |
farming_plus should probably be removed |
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cimbakahn |
fireglow, I have the 'farming_plus' . I think the one you have on your server named 'farming' is really 'farming_redo' ? |
| 20:22 |
fireglow |
cimbakahn: yes, that's true, hmm |
| 20:24 |
fireglow |
I'll copy these two mods to the testserver and see what happens. |
| 20:25 |
cimbakahn |
fireglow, Now, i am wondering if 'farming_redo' replaces default 'farming' ? |
| 20:26 |
cimbakahn |
fireglow, I think so because 'farming_redo' has some of the same items as default 'farming' ? |
| 20:28 |
cimbakahn |
fireglow, I am getting this ----> WARNING[Main]: Mod name conflict detected: "farming" |
| 20:28 |
cimbakahn |
WARNING[Main]: Will not load: /usr/share/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/farming |
| 20:28 |
cimbakahn |
WARNING[Main]: Overridden by: /home/cimbakahn/.minetest/mods/farming |
| 20:29 |
rdococ |
ugh |
| 20:29 |
rdococ |
this is RIDICULOUS |
| 20:30 |
* PureTryOut[m] |
made his own farming mod |
| 20:31 |
PureTryOut[m] |
or well, is making. almost done |
| 20:31 |
rubenwardy |
cimbakahn, ignore that - it's saying that two mods have the same name, so it's only loading one |
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rdococ |
yay I fixed the problem |
| 20:33 |
cimbakahn |
rubenwardy, Ok. |
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rdococ |
hm |
| 20:34 |
rdococ |
what should be on the screen texture? |
| 20:35 |
rdococ |
atm the computer looks like a bulky white CRT with a smaller back than front, like a trapezoid (but blockier) |
| 20:35 |
rdococ |
and atm the screen is simply displaying white lines on black |
| 20:35 |
rdococ |
should it be green lines? some sort of gui? |
| 20:38 |
PureTryOut[m] |
rdococ: could you screenshot what you got already? I'd like to see |
| 20:39 |
rdococ |
k |
| 20:39 |
fireglow |
yes, me too |
| 20:43 |
rdococ |
http://imgur.com/a/E4NIg |
| 20:43 |
rdococ |
I was thinking about tagging it mature for $its and giggles. |
| 20:43 |
rdococ |
<fireglow> and procreation |
| 20:44 |
fireglow |
!! |
| 20:46 |
Calinou |
wow, I'm back in 2010 with that MATE theme |
| 20:46 |
Calinou |
and font choice |
| 20:46 |
rdococ |
heh |
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rdococ |
it works fine. it's easy to read and not too much eye candy. |
| 20:47 |
Calinou |
https://lut.im/nEs6mxFWpg/3Nei8urOepwzGRC6.png |
| 20:47 |
rdococ |
I especially dislike themes with a black background. |
| 20:47 |
Calinou |
this is my Manjaro KDE install on my laptop :p |
| 20:47 |
PureTryOut[m] |
isn't that just the default theme? Adwaita I guess |
| 20:47 |
Calinou |
simple but good-looking |
| 20:47 |
Calinou |
PureTryOut[m]: it's the Breath theme for KDE, I left the Manjaro defaults |
| 20:47 |
rdococ |
the similarity of that style to windows just made me cringe |
| 20:48 |
Calinou |
Windows is a decent desktop environment, once you get used to it |
| 20:48 |
PureTryOut[m] |
https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/QvAwOtHrngReVuRMxFqnpPRU |
| 20:48 |
Calinou |
other than the Explorer lacking tabs, it's nice |
| 20:48 |
Raider4 |
Hey does anyone know how i would join other servers irc channels from this website? |
| 20:48 |
PureTryOut[m] |
Calinou: I was talking about rdococ's theme |
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PureTryOut[m] |
^ above link is my "don't have mouse available for example in the train" desktop |
| 20:49 |
Calinou |
most server relays are on InchraNet, Raider4 |
| 20:49 |
red-002 |
yeah you have to at least be somewhat ok to be the most popular os by far |
| 20:49 |
Calinou |
install a proper IRC client, such as HexChat, and join it |
| 20:49 |
red-002 |
windows server on the other hand... |
| 20:49 |
Calinou |
(address is daconcepts.com, port 6697 with SSL/TLS) |
| 20:49 |
Raider4 |
Ah ok. |
| 20:49 |
rdococ |
windows 10 on the third hand... |
| 20:50 |
Calinou |
https://hexchat.github.io/ |
| 20:50 |
Raider4 |
Thanks |
| 20:50 |
Calinou |
rdococ: Windows 10 has many usability improvements actually |
| 20:50 |
rdococ |
and a Microsoft made backdoor |
| 20:50 |
rdococ |
that got leaked |
| 20:50 |
octacian |
!seen Krock |
| 20:50 |
MinetestBot |
octacian: krock was last seen at 2017-02-19 19:33:46 UTC on #minetest |
| 20:50 |
riff-IRC |
well... |
| 20:50 |
Raider4 |
So what do i do when im on there, how do i download it? |
| 20:50 |
rdococ |
not only that, but the companies dumb down the public |
| 20:51 |
rdococ |
in the past, your regular Joe had a higher chance of being able to program |
| 20:51 |
red-002 |
or you know the public is dumb |
| 20:51 |
rdococ |
the companies made the public dumb |
| 20:51 |
rdococ |
that's the thing |
| 20:51 |
rdococ |
s/regular/average. |
| 20:51 |
rdococ |
but both are kinda similar |
| 20:51 |
red-002 |
don't think so |
| 20:51 |
rdococ |
you think? |
| 20:52 |
Calinou |
Raider4: download and install HexChat, then open the network list, and add a new network there, then connect to it |
| 20:52 |
Calinou |
with the address and port I mentioned |
| 20:52 |
Calinou |
<rdococ> in the past, your regular Joe had a higher chance of being able to program |
| 20:52 |
Calinou |
that's because computing was a much smaller circle |
| 20:52 |
Calinou |
not because people were smarter back t hen |
| 20:52 |
Raider4 |
K |
| 20:53 |
rdococ |
meh |
| 20:54 |
red-002 |
"the good old days" |
| 20:54 |
Calinou |
computing wasn't all green in the old days |
| 20:54 |
rdococ |
computing used to be interesting... |
| 20:54 |
Calinou |
and now it's not hell either |
| 20:54 |
Calinou |
it's easy to say that things were better before, but in reality they weren't :) |
| 20:54 |
rdococ |
I'm not so sure about that |
| 20:55 |
Calinou |
well then... programming tooling was never so abundant, so it's easier to be productive while programming |
| 20:55 |
Calinou |
computers were never as fast as today |
| 20:55 |
Calinou |
hardware was never as cheap (compared to what you get) as today |
| 20:56 |
rdococ |
programming didn't used to be that thing companies do to make computers |
| 20:56 |
red-002 |
the internet is arguably the most complex system ever built by humans |
| 20:56 |
rdococ |
and I know that's not the correct definition of programming but to the general public that probably sounds ture. |
| 20:56 |
rdococ |
true* |
| 20:57 |
red-002 |
and right now it's arguably a lot more complex then say 2008 |
| 20:57 |
rdococ |
and most people barely even know how complex it is |
| 20:57 |
red-002 |
don't tell me that's not at least a bit interesting |
| 20:57 |
rdococ |
they think "The internet is a thing with websites on it." |
| 20:58 |
rdococ |
honestly I'm not too fond of the word internet. |
| 20:58 |
red-002 |
I don't think people appreciated the scale of the telephone system either |
| 20:58 |
rdococ |
I wasn't talking about the scale. |
| 20:59 |
rdococ |
I was talking about the complexity. |
| 20:59 |
rdococ |
and back then, like computers and telephones now, telephones were probably manufactured by companies. I doubt you built your own, or even programmed it. |
| 21:00 |
rdococ |
when companies do things, they make them into... for the thrill of it, "technological zombies". |
| 21:00 |
rdococ |
it's such a shame things like that happen to technology. |
| 21:01 |
red-002 |
that's quite an elitist view |
| 21:01 |
rdococ |
elitist? |
| 21:01 |
rdococ |
sorry, what? |
| 21:02 |
rdococ |
I looked up elitist, it says " Someone who believes in rule by an elite group.". |
| 21:02 |
rdococ |
I think that's the exact opposite of an elitist view. |
| 21:02 |
rdococ |
for-profit companies are elitist, and I'm bashing them. |
| 21:02 |
rdococ |
how am I elitist? |
| 21:03 |
rdococ |
well, my view. |
| 21:03 |
rdococ |
not me specifically. |
| 21:03 |
red-002 |
you are seeing other people as some what unworthy of using infrastructure because they don't understand fully how the system works? |
| 21:03 |
rdococ |
no. |
| 21:03 |
red-002 |
or am I misunderstanding? |
| 21:03 |
rdococ |
you are misunderstanding. |
| 21:04 |
rdococ |
I am seeing for-profit corporations as unworthy of even touching such infrastructure because they'll end up causing people not to understand fully how the system works. |
| 21:04 |
red-002 |
people don't need to understand how the system works |
| 21:05 |
rdococ |
"yeah, they just need to pay money." a company would say. |
| 21:05 |
red-002 |
we have moved passed the point where everyone need to fully understand everything with the advent of civilization |
| 21:05 |
rdococ |
if someone isn't interested in knowing how these things work, then fine. |
| 21:06 |
red-002 |
do you fully understand how the electric grid works? |
| 21:06 |
rdococ |
but I'm sick of these large elitist groups of people - "corporations", that actively cause human ignorance. |
| 21:06 |
rdococ |
no, and that's okay. |
| 21:06 |
red-002 |
or how the water supply operates? |
| 21:06 |
red-002 |
or how the sewage system works saving millions of lives in the process? |
| 21:07 |
rdococ |
if you're going to repeat the same question over and over even though I've answered it sufficiently I'm not going to talk to you. |
| 21:07 |
red-002 |
have you considered that people simply don't care how the internet works? |
| 21:07 |
rdococ |
I've said already: I'm not fully sure how those systems work, but I should be able to know if I want to. |
| 21:08 |
red-002 |
similarly as you don't care about how those systems work? |
| 21:08 |
rdococ |
that could be a factor. |
| 21:08 |
rdococ |
possibly influenced by the corporations too. |
| 21:08 |
red-002 |
rdococ if people want to find out more they are a few key presses away |
| 21:09 |
rdococ |
I spent ages looking up how a transistor functions. all I ever got was "it acts like a switch". |
| 21:09 |
rdococ |
so I disagree. |
| 21:09 |
red-002 |
there is this really complex system run by this company called google to help you |
| 21:09 |
rdococ |
I'm not fucking stupid, you don't need to explain. |
| 21:10 |
rdococ |
"looking up" referring to using a search engine. |
| 21:10 |
red-002 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor |
| 21:10 |
rdococ |
wikipedia doesn't help. |
| 21:10 |
rdococ |
when I try to use wikipedia to understand things, it doesn't help. |
| 21:11 |
red-002 |
have you considered you don't know enough about the background physic to understand it? |
| 21:11 |
rdococ |
the background physic? |
| 21:12 |
red-002 |
physics* |
| 21:12 |
rdococ |
maybe if I knew exactly what the background physics were - but I'd have to learn about a transistor to know. sure it's electricity, but that's not enough info. |
| 21:13 |
rdococ |
until recently I didn't realise that you needed both N and P type transistors to construct all logic gates. |
| 21:13 |
rdococ |
actually wait |
| 21:13 |
rdococ |
is that true? |
| 21:13 |
rdococ |
see I still don't know now! |
| 21:13 |
rubenwardy |
you use N and P semiconductors to build the transistors, the type of transistor depends on which one you place where |
| 21:14 |
rubenwardy |
and you can build a NAND gate out of them, and you can build any other logic gate from a NAND gate |
| 21:15 |
rubenwardy |
you need both as otherwise you'd end up with a dead signal - a lack of 1 isn't 0, it's dead. So when 1 isn't on, you need 0 to be connected |
| 21:15 |
rdococ |
...and I wasn't able to learn this until some time before I learned about a transistor. |
| 21:15 |
rdococ |
lovely, isn't it, the internet? you can search and search and search and get nothing. |
| 21:16 |
rubenwardy |
the left is a NAND, you'll notice that they come in pairs (number of N = number P) https://i.stack.imgur.com/9Dr6u.gif |
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rubenwardy |
the best way to explain things is analogies, which is why you here the switch one a lot |
| 21:16 |
red-002 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwS9aTE2Go4 |
| 21:17 |
red-002 |
really that took about 30 seconds to find |
| 21:21 |
cimbakahn |
Is there anything on this page that is easy for anyone to help me with? ----> https://hastebin.com/itayuqesop.vbs |
| 21:21 |
rdococ |
o_o |
| 21:24 |
rdococ |
I could have just watched a freaking video |
| 21:27 |
rdococ |
o_O |
| 21:27 |
rdococ |
I still think corporations are dumbing down the general public. after all, doing so increases their profit because the general public are more ignorant. |
| 21:28 |
red-002 |
well you are welcome to think that |
| 21:28 |
red-002 |
It's harder to find info on something like the powergrid |
| 21:28 |
red-002 |
so I disagree with you |
| 21:30 |
rdococ |
how does it being harder to find info on something like the powergrid a reason to disagree with me? |
| 21:30 |
rdococ |
another miscommunication? |
| 21:31 |
red-002 |
the power gird is ran by the government |
| 21:31 |
rdococ |
the government likes money too, why wouldn't the rule apply to them? |
| 21:31 |
rdococ |
infact I'd say they're worse than the corporations |
| 21:32 |
rdococ |
but then again |
| 21:32 |
rdococ |
it's not like governments compete in the same area |
| 21:32 |
rdococ |
I mean, there are elections |
| 21:32 |
rdococ |
and that could be part of it |
| 21:32 |
rdococ |
not saying we need to get rid of them |
| 21:33 |
red-002 |
that's just the people in control of the goverment |
| 21:33 |
rdococ |
haha |
| 21:33 |
rdococ |
don't make me laugh |
| 21:33 |
rdococ |
people in control of government? |
| 21:34 |
red-002 |
yes you don't vote for the people that or instance run the train system or the powergrid |
| 21:34 |
red-002 |
for instance* |
| 21:35 |
rdococ |
no, you vote for a limited number of money-greedy idiots, then the good one comes along once in a blue moon |
| 21:36 |
red-002 |
I would put it down to them not caring to educate the public through and not malicious intent |
| 21:39 |
rdococ |
the companies or the government? |
| 21:39 |
red-002 |
both |
| 21:40 |
rdococ |
not caring sounds malicious |
| 21:40 |
red-002 |
not really the goal of a national power grid for instance is providing a stable power supply |
| 21:41 |
rdococ |
I am aware of that |
| 21:41 |
red-002 |
not explaining in detail how they do it |
| 21:41 |
red-002 |
plus they do release some information |
| 21:41 |
rdococ |
it's different for corporations which have to compete. the elections are skewed anyway, so the government doesn't need to. |
| 21:43 |
red-002 |
rdococ, the national grid is more of the non-political part of the government |
| 21:43 |
rdococ |
I'm aware of that |
| 21:44 |
rdococ |
my belief still holds for the political parts |
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red-002 |
so far from what I can understand the cost of electricity constantly changes based on demand |
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red-002 |
also that Britain has a serious tea addiction |
| 21:56 |
cimbakahn |
Does anyone know where i can find a copy of Mauvebics mm2 modpack ? |
| 22:25 |
kaeza |
in /dev/null |
| 22:25 |
kaeza |
:( |
| 22:28 |
fireglow |
;( |
| 22:30 |
Hawk777 |
Hi! Just wondering if anyone is interested in Digilines and has some time to review https://github.com/minetest-mods/digilines/pull/36 ? |
| 22:45 |
Hijiri |
Hawk777: I will look at it |
| 22:45 |
Hawk777 |
Cool, thanks! |
| 22:45 |
Hawk777 |
It’s been open for a while and is kind of stagnating. |
| 22:55 |
rdococ |
‮ih |
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crazyR |
anyone on here with some know how regarding smartfs? |
| 23:05 |
Hijiri |
Hawk777: done |
| 23:05 |
Hawk777 |
Thanks! |
| 23:06 |
Hawk777 |
I will take a quick pass through and fix those issues. |
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agaran |
Hawk777: I briefly readed it, why it feels like reading talk about SPICE clone nearly;) |
| 23:16 |
Hawk777 |
hahaha :D |
| 23:17 |
Hawk777 |
Well, yeah, that would be the crazy over-the-top implementation. |
| 23:18 |
agaran |
well not -that- crazy |
| 23:18 |
agaran |
and I started (and never finished) technic alike cabling but with proper handling for kirhof's law.. |
| 23:20 |
agaran |
just because I wanted it to handle more than just electricity (and handle it properly permitting to do more like real-world circuits with power measurement etc) |
| 23:20 |
Hawk777 |
Hijiri: Fixed. |
| 23:20 |
Hawk777 |
Ah, yes, Minetest Technic power isn’t all that accurate. Most power mods for Minetest and Minecraft don’t seem to be. |
| 23:21 |
Hawk777 |
Blutricity in Minecraft was incredibly accurate, though the physical constants were probably a couple of orders of magnitude off. It was so accurate that someone built a switch-mode boost regulator using pistons. |
| 23:21 |
Hawk777 |
It worked. |
| 23:21 |
Hawk777 |
It modelled resistance, capacitance, *and* inductance of wires. |
| 23:21 |
agaran |
Well no.. because then will be skin effect ;) |
| 23:21 |
Hawk777 |
That was probably the most awesome thing I ever saw. |
| 23:21 |
agaran |
and superconducting wires |
| 23:22 |
agaran |
I am only going to do DC level stuff, nothing AC or close to AC.. |
| 23:22 |
Hawk777 |
No skin effect in Blutricity. AFAICT it modelled DC. |
| 23:22 |
Hawk777 |
Otherwise the inductance wouldn’t have made any sense. |
| 23:22 |
agaran |
well if it modeled inductance.. you had AC.. |
| 23:22 |
Hawk777 |
Well no. |
| 23:22 |
agaran |
inductance for DC is pure resistance of coil.. |
| 23:23 |
Hawk777 |
No, what I mean is that the normal operation of the transmission line was to carry DC current, it would just take some time to ramp up to full. |
| 23:23 |
Hawk777 |
So it had AC *effects*, but the bulk power transfer during normal operation was DC. |
| 23:23 |
Hijiri |
Hawk777: alright, looks good |
| 23:23 |
Hijiri |
I don't have the power to merge things though |
| 23:23 |
Hawk777 |
OK. Thanks for looking anyway! |
| 23:24 |
agaran |
Hawk777: I see, well I am going to skip AC stuff.. or I'll end up rewriting spice.. which will kaboom MT.. |
| 23:24 |
Hawk777 |
It would be a bit ridiculous. |
| 23:24 |
Hawk777 |
If you want multiple voltages you can always just arm-wave them away as “buck/boost converter in a black boxâ€. |
| 23:24 |
agaran |
yep thats idea too |
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agaran |
among of few others.. I want -grid- simulation not circuit.. |
| 23:25 |
agaran |
and keeping networks stored in cache to not reload mapblock unless must was one of fundamentals.. |
| 23:25 |
agaran |
so circuit -is- working even if map is unloaded |
| 23:26 |
agaran |
anyway, someday I'll finish then will be reason to talk maybe more |
| 23:27 |
Hawk777 |
That sounds like a lot of trouble, but if you want very large and very highly distributed systems then there probably isn’t really any other reasonable choice. |
| 23:27 |
Hawk777 |
Coherence would be hard. |
| 23:27 |
agaran |
yup I want big grid.. thats why I want all work off-nodes |
| 23:27 |
Hawk777 |
Keeping the cache up to date with the real world in the face of people placing and breaking nodes, pistons moving nodes, server crashing after mapblock written but before cache updated or vice versa, etc. |
| 23:27 |
agaran |
and with as few as possible map updates |
| 23:28 |
agaran |
yup.. |
| 23:28 |
Hawk777 |
Good luck :D |
| 23:28 |
Hawk777 |
(seriously, not sarcastically) |
| 23:28 |
agaran |
thanks I'll need it (I know) |
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| 23:34 |
Hijiri |
only needs to be consistent enough |
| 23:34 |
Hijiri |
you could just let it stay inconsistent and check mapblocks once each game session when they get loaded |
| 23:35 |
Hijiri |
at most once each game session |
| 23:37 |
Hawk777 |
Yes, that would work. A volatile cache would be much easier to keep consistent than a non-volatile one, and charging around with a voxelmanipulator loading the whole universe once at server boot probably isn’t too bad. |
| 23:41 |
Hawk777 |
Might annoy people in single-player a bit, but they probably don’t have such huge worlds anyway. |
| 23:41 |
Hijiri |
I originally meant something like save the whole network to a file, and load it from only that at boot, then just consistentify it as areas get loaded by players walking there (except maybe machines which need to exist for their code to run) |
| 23:42 |
Hijiri |
if crashes are infrequent enough and areas with lots of machines are visited enough, it would probably be okay |
| 23:43 |
Hijiri |
an alternative is to just cycle through mapblocks that haven't been loaded yet, every few seconds or whatever, and consistentify those |
| 23:43 |
Hijiri |
this one might be better since it doesn't rely on player behavior to be eventually correct |
| 23:45 |
Hijiri |
if a player lays a transoceanic cable 1000s of nodes long then you will have to load lots of nodes compared to the number of cables that exist |
| 23:45 |
Hijiri |
startup time is still important in multiplayer since you don't want to have too long of a downtime when restarting for maintenance |
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