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AndroidKris |
anyone know about world anchors? |
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* Sokomine_ |
looks around |
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Sokomine_ |
oh. why do i have an underscore in my nick? |
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AndroidKris |
Hey, you wouldn't know anything about admin/world anchors would you sokomine? |
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Sokomine |
AndroidKris: i know that such a thing exists (for keeping part of a world loaded). i had never use to really use them. it's too far against the concept of the game to depend on it... |
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Sokomine |
if you want any machines to run while you're absent, consider a ressource-friendly /giveme :-) |
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Sokomine |
(after you've built the machine as a proof of concept) |
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AndroidKris |
lol, that's not machines running though. that's cheating at it's most basic definition. |
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AndroidKris |
I prefer my cheatery to be shrouded in at least a little bit of mystery |
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Sokomine |
and tortue the poor server with it? :) |
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AndroidKris |
My pc can handle it.lol |
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Sokomine |
still... |
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* Sokomine |
secretly puts AndroidKris into creative mode |
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AndroidKris |
Nuuuuuuuu........ |
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AndroidKris |
I like to work for my spoils |
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* AndroidKris |
fightes Sokomine |
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AndroidKris |
fights* |
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AndroidKris |
I have actually got a world I load up when I want to be in creative mode. |
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is attempting something crazy and trying to fit 25 anime episodes on one dvd :P |
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Sokomine |
yes, i know the feeling. i usually use survival with giveme. it seems to be easier to control the game that way |
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technomancy |
Pilcrow182: hey |
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Pilcrow182 |
hi technomancy! how are you? :) |
| 04:11 |
technomancy |
I did some more brainstorming yesterday and came up with this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=12517 |
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Pilcrow182 |
sorry technomancy, I am a slow reader and quite distracted at the moment. I just looked at your link though, and its a very good idea... :) |
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Pilcrow182 |
technomancy: also, I see you mention using position strings as addresses, and that's probably the best idea anyway, but you may also be interested in these two functions: http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.hash_node_position and http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.get_position_from_hash |
| 05:00 |
technomancy |
Pilcrow182: I actually want to support accepting several different types but probably normalizing it down to a pos |
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Pilcrow182 |
yeah, as I said, a pos string makes sense. I was just pointing out the hash functions because they are useful sometimes, and not many know they exist. :P |
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technomancy |
yeah cool; thanks |
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technomancy |
Pilcrow182: one interesting question is whether diginet should be based on digilines or just wireless |
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Pilcrow182 |
that's a good question. I'm not sure which would be best. I do think wireless would be faster, as digilines sort of uses a node-by-node chain reaction, AFAIK... |
| 06:27 |
technomancy |
yeah... I think you could do cool things with digilines networking, but I'm not sure it's worth the overhead |
| 06:27 |
technomancy |
it seems like you could just calculate the full extent of the network any time a digiline was placed or destroyed and used the cached graph rather than simulating the movements of packets along the lines, but that's not how it works |
| 06:28 |
technomancy |
plus the wireless implementation is vastly simpler; I've got a basic POC in a page and a half |
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Pilcrow182 |
possibly make it wireless, but make a diginet-to-digilines reciever? then you wouldn't have to sacrifice the possibility of doing 'cool things' :P |
| 06:31 |
technomancy |
yeah, some kind of bridge |
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Pilcrow182 |
anyway, it's after 1:30am here and I need to go to bed. |
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Pilcrow182 |
goodnight, technomancy o/ |
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technomancy |
cheers Pilcrow \o |
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technomancy |
"ServerError: error in error handling" welp =\ |
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technomancy |
is meta:get_string() etc guaranteed to never return nil? |
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technomancy |
like it would just return an empty string for uninitialized keys? |
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technomancy |
sweeeeeet; got communications between terminal and server working over diginet |
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technomancy |
aw yiss \m/ |
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JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy Cars Day! 😃 |
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mazal |
Morning everyone , does anyone know if there is a way to protect technic machines from being dug , but still allow everyone to use the input/output slots ? |
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Calinou |
Chromium syntax highlighter add-on https://github.com/tsenart/sight |
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Calinou |
Minetest reached 1,500 stars on GitHub |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi all :) |
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ADFENO |
Hi. :D |
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Megaf |
Hi all, can any German speaking translate this please? http://paste.debian.net/plain/215949 |
| 14:02 |
Megaf |
I caugh two German griefers destroying things on my server |
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Megaf |
Hi luizrpgluiz |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi megaf :) |
| 14:13 |
luizrpgluiz |
has anyone ever used the dynvpn before? |
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sfan5 |
Megaf: something about mithril, a pickaxe and how much time they have left |
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Megaf |
sfan5: I got that :P |
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Megaf |
where do I upload an image to? |
| 14:30 |
Megaf |
Calinou: ^ |
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kilbith |
https://lut.im/ |
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Megaf |
thats fast |
| 14:31 |
Megaf |
thanks |
| 14:32 |
Megaf |
https://lut.im/erYfd1Tv/KDeFwJLP |
| 14:33 |
Megaf |
:) |
| 14:35 |
Megaf |
Minetest server is not using much ram, I think they fixed most of memory leaks |
| 14:37 |
Jordach |
<JD-Pub> Server has been running for 984:04:15 one more day and a few hours to 1k hours uptime |
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luizrpgluiz |
yes, but it depends on the mods that use the server |
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luizrpgluiz |
:) |
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Megaf |
Jordach: thats 41 days |
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Jordach |
ikr |
| 14:47 |
Megaf |
1000 hours |
| 14:47 |
Jordach |
0.4.11 doesn't crash :O |
| 14:47 |
Megaf |
minetest mt:~$ uptime |
| 14:47 |
Megaf |
10:47:18 up 69 days, 4:11, 2 users, load average: 0.02, 0.03, 0.01 |
| 14:48 |
Megaf |
Jordach: it does, just use World Edit |
| 14:48 |
Megaf |
69 days :) |
| 14:48 |
Jordach |
i just dislike everyone shitting themselves over security |
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Jordach |
or big issues which aren't problems |
| 14:49 |
Megaf |
well, my minetestserver at least once a day to backup and update, and the system itself is rebooted every kernel update |
| 14:49 |
Megaf |
Calculating upgrade... Done |
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Megaf |
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 15:00 |
Jordach |
Megaf, jordachjordach-net $ uptime 15:00:16 up 118 days, 19:42, 2 users, load average: 0.06, 0.06, 0.05 |
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Megaf |
Jordach: that's cute |
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Megaf |
:P |
| 15:06 |
Calinou |
17:06:25 up 2 days, 2:52, 2 users, load average: 0,11, 0,17, 0,12 |
| 15:06 |
Calinou |
this is my VPS |
| 15:06 |
* Calinou |
VPS peasant |
| 15:08 |
* Jordach |
pets Calinou |
| 15:09 |
Jordach |
>0.4.9, minetest, v6 |
| 15:09 |
Jordach |
WHAT YEAR IS IT |
| 15:09 |
Calinou |
0.4.9, minetest, v6, Windows 95 |
| 15:13 |
Calinou |
Jordach, http://i.imgur.com/8X7uPPd.png |
| 15:13 |
Calinou |
that's like your VPS vs mine |
| 15:13 |
Jordach |
ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ |
| 15:14 |
Jordach |
also |
| 15:14 |
est31 |
Jordach, which minetest version does your server run? |
| 15:14 |
Jordach |
0.4.11 for non-MT-license-friendly-apps |
| 15:14 |
Jordach |
there's still tons of em |
| 15:14 |
est31 |
? |
| 15:15 |
Jordach |
est31, there are still tablet users on 0.4.11 |
| 15:15 |
est31 |
yes, but 0.4.12 also supports 0.4.11 |
| 15:15 |
est31 |
so clients on 0.4.11 can connect to 0.4.12 servers |
| 15:15 |
Jordach |
mod security is bullshite |
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* est31 |
wonders whether he can crash Jordach's server from remote |
| 15:17 |
Jordach |
lmao |
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Jordach |
spotify's backend went down |
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Jordach |
http://a.pomf.se/nhldfe.png |
| 15:21 |
Calinou |
Spotify France! |
| 15:21 |
Calinou |
le hoodedice |
| 15:21 |
est31 |
Jordach, explain why it is bullshit |
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Calinou |
and sfan5 |
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sfan5 |
? |
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Jordach |
est31, i think it would be plainly fucking obvious that you don't run MT as root |
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Jordach |
oh right, devs still cater to the uninformed useless idiot |
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sfan5 |
Calinou: ? |
| 15:22 |
est31 |
Jordach, yes you shouldnt run it as root |
| 15:22 |
est31 |
but defense goes in layers |
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Jordach |
defense is checking whether the mod uses os.execute |
| 15:23 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 15:23 |
est31 |
not in "Hey they only gain shell access to a low privileged user" |
| 15:23 |
ADFENO |
Hi... How do I use minetest.sound_play with a file name different than "modname_filename"? Like "alarm"? |
| 15:23 |
sfan5 |
!py __import__("os").popen("uptime").read() |
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MinetestBot |
' 15:23:14 up 22 days, 9:05, 0 users, load average: 0.16, 0.10, 0.09\n' |
| 15:23 |
MinetestBot |
[git] HybridDog -> minetest/minetest: More reliable serverlist behaviour 05f4e9e http://git.io/vI26T (2015-06-09T16:44:43+02:00) |
| 15:23 |
est31 |
Jordach, so you do a grep for OS.execute? |
| 15:23 |
est31 |
what if sb does local a = OS a.execute |
| 15:23 |
Jordach |
est31, preferably |
| 15:23 |
Jordach |
or |
| 15:24 |
Jordach |
you could just check the mods goddamn source |
| 15:24 |
sfan5 |
exio4: os not OS |
| 15:24 |
est31 |
also if they have control over your user account they can use your server as a botnet |
| 15:24 |
Jordach |
tl;dr rare and pointless defence against a non-existant threar |
| 15:24 |
Jordach |
you're pointing nukes at a fucking mouse |
| 15:24 |
sfan5 |
oops |
| 15:24 |
exio4 |
yes sfan5 |
| 15:24 |
sfan5 |
est31: os not OS |
| 15:24 |
* sfan5 |
hugs exio4 |
| 15:24 |
est31 |
sfan5, whatever |
| 15:25 |
est31 |
Jordach, you want people to read source for every mod out there= |
| 15:25 |
est31 |
or do you trust everybody |
| 15:25 |
Jordach |
est31, common sense |
| 15:25 |
* exio4 |
hugs sfan5 back <3 |
| 15:25 |
Jordach |
is it a popular mod done by someone who's well known? |
| 15:25 |
sfan5 |
est31: did you know that minetest uses LUA for MODS? |
| 15:25 |
est31 |
can you install my ssh keys on your box pls? it seems you trust everybody |
| 15:26 |
Jordach |
est31, most of my server runs my own custom mods |
| 15:26 |
est31 |
Jordach, great you can write programs, not everybody can |
| 15:26 |
est31 |
yes executing minetest as root is stupid |
| 15:26 |
Jordach |
est31, stupid rules shouldn't affect power users |
| 15:26 |
sfan5 |
wait what |
| 15:26 |
sfan5 |
icy-title: Timbaland feat. Keri Hilson & D.O.E. mit The Way I Are |
| 15:26 |
sfan5 |
"The Way I Are" |
| 15:26 |
sfan5 |
wot |
| 15:26 |
Jordach |
or someone with actual intelligence |
| 15:27 |
Jordach |
lowest common denominator is bullshit |
| 15:27 |
est31 |
and I +1 every pull request which makes minetest exit and print an error message if it runs as root |
| 15:27 |
est31 |
Jordach, whats a stupid rule for you? |
| 15:28 |
Jordach |
est31, the console even with sandboxing should shout: "there's an execution of the terminal / CLI here, do something" |
| 15:28 |
Jordach |
let people know that function alone is being used |
| 15:29 |
Jordach |
and this occurs during server start: to tell the server operator to enable or disable the mod |
| 15:29 |
est31 |
Jordach, lua is a too dynamic language for that. |
| 15:29 |
Jordach |
bullshit |
| 15:29 |
Jordach |
enforce it at the API level |
| 15:29 |
est31 |
thats precisely what mod security does |
| 15:29 |
est31 |
it removes the API call |
| 15:29 |
Jordach |
idiot |
| 15:30 |
sfan5 |
<Jordach> let people know that function alone is being used |
| 15:30 |
sfan5 |
<Jordach> and this occurs during server start |
| 15:30 |
sfan5 |
uhh |
| 15:30 |
est31 |
Jordach, can you please speak like a civilized human? thank you. |
| 15:30 |
sfan5 |
static analysis isn't perfect |
| 15:30 |
est31 |
^ |
| 15:31 |
est31 |
doing 100% waterproof lualint is much much harder than writing a sandbox |
| 15:32 |
est31 |
so stop trolling please until you understand basic concepts of security |
| 15:32 |
est31 |
also, minetestserver is no interactive tool |
| 15:33 |
est31 |
it cant do things like "do you want to disable this mod, enable, do this or that" |
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ADFENO |
Hi, we are trying to play a chat sound when an administrator types a command (say "/alert", for example), the sound is in OGG, but it's not being played with minetest.sound_play... Doest someone know what might be the problem? |
| 15:44 |
est31 |
and it seems I can crash 0.4.11 servers from remote |
| 15:44 |
est31 |
too lazy to try it out though |
| 15:52 |
ADFENO |
Well... We tried to use mono audio... but with no success... |
| 15:53 |
ADFENO |
We even tried variations using the mods' path + the file name (without .ogg extension), but with no luck. |
| 15:55 |
est31 |
ADFENO, does it display some error message |
| 15:55 |
est31 |
? |
| 15:59 |
ADFENO |
Just a moment.... .... |
| 16:02 |
ADFENO |
No... It doesn't display errors... |
| 16:02 |
* Megaf |
throws more moments at ADFENO I case is they are needed |
| 16:02 |
Megaf |
in case they are* |
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Megaf |
Oo |
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ADFENO |
Sorry for that.... I'm not the server host.... and he is someohat slow to understand what I say. :D |
| 16:07 |
Megaf |
so get the server host here |
| 16:07 |
Megaf |
lol |
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ADFENO |
And so here he is. :D |
| 16:09 |
Undertaker |
hi |
| 16:10 |
ADFENO |
Undertaker is the server host. And as you all know, we 're trying to get an OGG file to play. :D |
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ADFENO |
The server logs don't display anything. :D |
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Undertaker |
http://pastebin.com/6Pg3dX83 |
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Undertaker |
someone ? |
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H-H-H |
usually helps if you explain what the problem is |
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H-H-H |
bah wrong window lol |
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H-H-H |
sorry |
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VanessaE |
actually it would still help. |
| 16:42 |
Undertaker |
... |
| 16:42 |
VanessaE |
good morning. |
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VanessaE |
Undertaker: what is the problem you're having? |
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exio4 |
hi |
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VanessaE |
hi |
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Undertaker |
My friend ADFENO has already explained |
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VanessaE |
oh yeah, there he is |
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Undertaker |
someone here called me here |
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
not sure then |
| 16:46 |
Undertaker |
OK, i'm trying to play a sound with a command in the server, the intention is to make it play to alert players, I created the sound effect using the lmms |
| 16:47 |
ADFENO |
Hi all... I'm back... |
| 16:49 |
ADFENO |
And... as he just said, we're trying to use minetest.sound_play to play a small audio file ("an alarm", for that matter). :D |
| 16:50 |
ADFENO |
But when using:somthing like: |
| 16:50 |
ADFENO |
minetest.sound_play("alarm") |
| 16:51 |
ADFENO |
It does nothing. |
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VanessaE |
func = function(administrador, texto_do_alerta) |
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sfan5 |
uhh |
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VanessaE |
pretty sure you need to write that differently. |
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sfan5 |
ADFENO: that's not how the functions works |
| 16:52 |
sfan5 |
http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.sound_play |
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sfan5 |
wait no |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi all |
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ADFENO |
VanessaE: Regarding "(administrador, texto_do_alerta)"... |
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VanessaE |
ADFENO: no |
| 16:53 |
VanessaE |
ADFENO: regarding the "func = " part. |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
most likely that needs to be function = function(blahblah) |
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ADFENO |
... The "administrador" is like the "name", and "texto_do_alerta" is like "params". |
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sfan5 |
VanessaE: foo = function(bar, baz) is valid lua |
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Undertaker |
hi luizrpgluiz |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: sure, but if register_chatcommand doesn't know what to do with table entry 'foo' that won't work. |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
however in this case I'm wrong, apparently it really DOES need to be "func =" |
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sfan5 |
ADFENO: is the alarme.ogg in the sounds folder of the mod? |
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sfan5 |
VanessaE: oh you mean that, yes it's needs to be func |
| 16:57 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: what nitwit thought it was a good idea to abbreviate "function" as "func" everywhere AND include literal uses of the word "func"? :P |
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ADFENO |
Well.. It's in the root of the mod directory, where the init.lua is. |
| 16:58 |
sfan5 |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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sfan5 |
ADFENO: it should be in a directory called sounds |
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ADFENO |
Hm... |
| 16:59 |
ADFENO |
Interesting... |
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ADFENO |
I was just wondering if the wiki had such information and I accidentally overlooked it. |
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HtxzZ77 |
hello |
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HtxzZ77 |
:) |
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ADFENO |
Hi HtxzZ77. :D |
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Undertaker |
haha! thanks a lot |
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Undertaker |
now is working |
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ADFENO |
Thanks a lot... |
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ADFENO |
Also... It might be a good idea to the reader of the minetest.sound_play wiki page that it plays a sound from the sounds folder. |
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Undertaker |
I can share the sound |
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exio4 |
Calinou: ping? http://dpaste.com/11EKWDX |
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Undertaker |
is like a nuclear alarm |
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| 17:24 |
Calinou |
exio4, meh |
| 17:24 |
Calinou |
that benchmark doesn't compare with mine at all |
| 17:24 |
Calinou |
it would be unfair to include it in my suite :P |
| 17:24 |
Calinou |
yours is 163 lines |
| 17:24 |
Calinou |
mine are 40 lines at most |
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exio4 |
why are you counting lines? |
| 17:24 |
exio4 |
I am using whitespace for the sake of it in that code |
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exio4 |
and basically avoiding a few combinators because why not |
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exio4 |
example, function at line 29 |
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exio4 |
it goes til line 38 |
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exio4 |
that's 9 lines, it only needs 2 |
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exio4 |
40-65 can be 5~6 lines |
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exio4 |
I am also adding type signatures, even though the aren't needed |
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exio4 |
line 90-92, could be a single line |
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exio4 |
X ; return Y is the same as Y <$ X, yet I wrote the long version |
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exio4 |
declaring local variables instead of using fix $ \loop ->, avoiding one line |
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exio4 |
there are 40 lines of dead code, too |
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exio4 |
(well not actual dead code, it's only because there are two modes, benchmark and not) |
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exio4 |
Calinou: well, I got the total line count to 66 lines, counting imports and 25 lines of boilerplate |
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exio4 |
is it good enough for your standards? |
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exio4 |
note, it's also doing a lot of useless work because it's keeping intermediate values and then throwing them away |
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exio4 |
because your original "forced ordering" |
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TheWild |
are there plans to move the protocol from UDP to TCP? Of course I don't mean that UDP is bad. |
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| 18:46 |
Calinou |
unlikely |
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Calinou |
maybe we'll switch to something like enet in the future |
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Calinou |
(but enet doesn't support IPv6) |
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Calinou |
TCP is just slow for real-time games |
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est31 |
if enet doesnt support ipv6, I will vote against inclusion |
| 18:48 |
Krock |
TheWild, every game tends to use TCP from beginning. We have UDP, so why do you think there would be a change? |
| 18:49 |
kilbith |
how is useful to support ipv6 ? |
| 18:49 |
Calinou |
est31, there's an issue on its GitHub |
| 18:49 |
Krock |
kilbith, to let the fridge play Minetest |
| 18:49 |
Calinou |
Krock, Quake uses UDP. :-) |
| 18:49 |
est31 |
kilbith, ipv6 is the future, ipv4 will die |
| 18:49 |
Calinou |
and that's how you can get 50ms ping |
| 18:49 |
Krock |
est31, some things are called dead since years but are still alive |
| 18:49 |
est31 |
I know this sounds like one of calinou's "tabs in 2015 srsly?" arguments |
| 18:50 |
Megaf |
!up mt.megaf.info |
| 18:50 |
MinetestBot |
mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (8ms) |
| 18:50 |
Megaf |
:) |
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Krock |
Calinou, 50ms is too less |
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Megaf |
but I miss the time when it used to get 2ms |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
est31, well I'll use tabs if the language specification says so |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
eg. in most system languages |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
Atom has a package to display the current indentation mode, as well as auto-detecting it |
| 18:50 |
Krock |
there must be a ping of at least 5s |
| 18:50 |
est31 |
spaces are ugly |
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est31 |
they require your editor to be smart |
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est31 |
I dont like smart editors |
| 18:51 |
est31 |
smart editors have huge startup times and are laggy |
| 18:51 |
est31 |
its not that they are bad |
| 18:51 |
Calinou |
Atom's my default editor now |
| 18:51 |
Calinou |
starts in 2.5 seconds, works well with files up to ~50 KB I'd say |
| 18:51 |
Calinou |
it now uses tile-based rendering |
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est31 |
atom is a nice editor, but I prefer kate because it isnt so bloaty |
| 18:52 |
Calinou |
most editors feel too basic, or have ugly color schemes |
| 18:52 |
Calinou |
Atom Dark is a great color scheme |
| 18:52 |
Calinou |
I should port it everywhere ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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est31 |
I like light color schemes |
| 18:52 |
Calinou |
that hurts my eyes :P |
| 18:53 |
Krock |
dark makes tired. |
| 18:53 |
TheWild |
about editor: anyone knows any good IDE that has all that autocompletion stuff (indentation, quotes, closing brackets, tags etc.), but has all that options disabled by default? |
| 18:54 |
Krock |
best is to use neon-purple and neon-green if possible |
| 18:56 |
Calinou |
TheWild, Atom is entirely modular |
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Calinou |
you can edit all its lines of CoffeeScript code, and LESS styles |
| 18:57 |
TheWild |
okay, I'll look for that |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
it uses a package system, you can also disable core packages |
| 18:59 |
Calinou |
(do disable the metrics package!) |
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Sokomine |
hmpf. now i see why this isn't working.....the skyblock blocks get too high for the one at the bottom to be loaded |
| 19:03 |
TheWild |
I'm using Crimson Editor at home, years ago found in on a CD from some PC magazine when I had no internet yet. It's not very extensible and pretty old but enough for crafting my own stuff. |
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TheWild |
Netbeans at work, but it adds a second " and disabling it doesn't work. It's a bug, reported by many and not fixed by years. Well, I tried some other IDEs but NetBeans was least evil. |
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TheWild |
Eclipse - again disabling autocompletion. And what are the perspectives. PHP storm unable to open two projects in the same window. |
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Junko |
hello :D |
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Junko |
i installed minetest the other day, never played minecraft to be honest |
| 19:19 |
Junko |
:D |
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Junko |
Calinou; :DDDDDDDDDDD |
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Junko |
so glad to see you |
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TheWild |
yet shallow protocol analysis: I found that biggest packets are sent by servers but no packet was bigger than 520 bytes. |
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Calinou |
hi Junko |
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AndroidKris |
Is there a way to view all of the messages from the chat? |
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AndroidKris |
Like are they in a saved document somewhere in /.minetest? |
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Sokomine |
AndroidKris: type f10 |
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AndroidKris |
I mean like a physical copy that I can cut and paste somewhere, I keep getting an error sent through there and I'd like to figure out why, and what the error means. |
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est31 |
no |
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est31 |
you have to type it : |
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est31 |
)) |
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Junko |
how do i view |
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Junko |
backlog of the chat |
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est31 |
f10 |
| 20:04 |
VanessaE |
new mod: https://github.com/VanessaE/nixie_tubes |
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AndroidKris |
I wish there was a way to turn the technic quarries on their side to mine horizontally. |
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alket |
is there a car mod or something, something you can drive |
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AndroidKris |
a boat |
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AndroidKris |
alket^^ |
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alket |
yes I know boat, something for the ground :) |
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AndroidKris |
Mine cart |
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alket |
you know what i mean :p |
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VanessaE |
there is a cars mod, yes |
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VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7381 |
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alket |
thanks VanessaE |
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alket |
also Cart is very bad, its minining game and cart lags :p |
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AndroidKris |
I know, I'm being facetious. |
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VanessaE |
alket: happens with all entities. |
| 20:11 |
Teckla |
Can anyone here suggestion a mod or mods that adds animals to the game? |
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Teckla |
(For my daughter) |
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Teckla |
s/suggestion/suggest/ |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
Teckla: MOBF. |
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Teckla |
VanessaE: Thank you kindly :) |
| 20:12 |
Teckla |
Can mods be added to worlds that already exist? My daughter and I have built a lot on our shared world and would hate to start over. |
| 20:12 |
est31 |
yes |
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Teckla |
Cool beans, thanks thanks :) |
| 20:12 |
VanessaE |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=629 (ignore the broken screenshots) |
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* Teckla |
<3 Minetest |
| 20:13 |
Teckla |
Thank you for the link |
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Teckla |
Hopefully I'll have time to apply it otnight |
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AndroidKris |
Also with that modpack, I believe you can disable the hostile creatures so that the only ones left are all docile. |
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Teckla |
Good to know, thanks! |
| 20:19 |
Calinou |
you mean BLOATF? |
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Calinou |
:) |
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Calinou |
Teckla, you can use Carbone Mobs with spawn_hostile_mobs = false in minetest.conf |
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Calinou |
only rats and sheep will spawn |
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Junko |
wtf |
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Junko |
my whole session crashed this time Calinou |
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MinetestBot |
[git] est31 -> minetest/minetest_game: Add patch files to gitignore f09ae11 http://git.io/vIVpm (2015-06-09T22:01:25+02:00) |
| 20:36 |
VanessaE |
there, now the nixie_tube mod has a proper forum post: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12537 |
| 20:36 |
est31 |
nice |
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Amaz |
Hm, in the terminal output of minetest, it assigns numbers to objects such as mobs. |
| 21:11 |
Amaz |
Is there a way to access and put data to these numbers in game? |
| 21:19 |
Amaz |
Or rather, how do I find out the object id of a particular entity? |
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Amaz |
I need to go now, but I'll check the logs tomorrow :) |
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bobomb |
canyone help me with formspec? |
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bobomb |
how do you assemble the fields in a table formspec, do you still use minetest.show_formspec()? |
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Sokomine |
was the texture for cotton changed yet again? |
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kilbith |
no |
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