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03:16	btoothpick	Greets
03:20	marktraceur	Salut, btoothpick
03:24	exio4	<3 UPS
03:24	exio4	saved me from three "micro" powercuts
03:26	exio4	(the battery didn't even have time to go down to 98%, the lcd screen went to 99% (because it doesn't round, but floors) :P)
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04:49	tats	hi. kind of new to minetest, great game! i'm trying to install some mods but having trouble with the animals modpack. running ubuntu 14.04. here's the game version info: http://pastebin.com/dJ5T0NkR
04:50	tats	i get errors such as ERROR[main]: mod "mob_slime" has unsatisfied dependencies: "mobf"
05:02	OldCoder	Try kpgmobs instead for now
05:02	OldCoder	Sapier is going to make major changes to Animals
05:03	OldCoder	tats, ^
05:04	tats	OldCoder, thanks
05:04	tats	OldCoder, any other suggestions to make the game more fun in survival mode? i just got simplemobs installed for now
05:06	OldCoder	tats sure!
05:06	OldCoder	I am leaving on an errand, but I'll pause here for a moment. Is this for home use or a server?
05:07	OldCoder	tats, I guess you're away. You could try VanessaE Dreambuilder _game. If she has large windmills in it, delete that folder; too heavy. Small windmills are O.K.
05:07	OldCoder	And if you answer in the next minute, I'll list some favorite mods of my own
05:08	tats	OldCoder, home (for now)
05:08	OldCoder	All right, first suggestion is try the Dreambuilder _game. But remove large windmills.
05:08	OldCoder	I will now list a few favorite mods. Wait.
05:09	OldCoder	Technic and Mesecons - Avoid these for now except in Dreambuilder. Quite heavy.
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05:09	OldCoder	For December, the Christmas, Christmas Craft, and Xmas mods may be fun
05:10	OldCoder	Dogblocks are fun at first but all the barking gets annoying woof woof
05:10	tats	quick n00b question: is Dreambuilder a gameserver or a mod?
05:10	OldCoder	VanessaE HDX texture pack is nice but don't go above 32px size until you get a feeling for px sizes
05:10	OldCoder	It is neither
05:10	OldCoder	It is a collection of mods
05:11	OldCoder	Known as a _game
05:11	tats	i see
05:11	OldCoder	That work together
05:11	tats	i thought that would be a modpack (like animals_modpack)
05:11	OldCoder	kpgmobs is good. You can disable monsters using a configuration file setting
05:11	tats	so a _game is something else
05:11	OldCoder	It is a modpack of modpacks
05:11	OldCoder	A collection of 80 mods in her case
05:11	tats	wow
05:11	OldCoder	OldCoder_game is 120 mods :D
05:11	OldCoder	Her set is tiny!
05:11	OldCoder	Wait
05:12	OldCoder	Spidermob is interesting; that is a nice big spider
05:12	OldCoder	Sea modpack is still buggy but worth a try
05:12	OldCoder	Puts stuff underwater ^
05:12	OldCoder	irc and irc_command mods can be difficult to set up but they are a must for servers
05:13	OldCoder	They let you keep an eye on your worlds from right here in IRC
05:13	OldCoder	VanessaE Homedecor and Plantlife modpacks are a must
05:13	OldCoder	But you really don't need everything in Plantlife
05:13	OldCoder	You can try using just the plants you are interested in
05:13	OldCoder	I am now testing Farming Plus Plus
05:14	OldCoder	You can use Farming and Farming Plus together or
05:14	tats	i tried joining a server yesterday but it was taking forever, i abandoned. i guess some of them are too heavy.
05:14	OldCoder	Farming and Farming Plus Plus
05:14	OldCoder	You must use a Curl Client
05:14	OldCoder	I think most never clients have Curl
05:14	OldCoder	And the server must have a Curl Media Server
05:14	OldCoder	Or the thing will be too slow
05:14	OldCoder	More another time on this subject
05:14	OldCoder	most newer clients *
05:14	OldCoder	Wait
05:15	OldCoder	Caverealms mod puts large interesting caves underground, but disable Fortresses
05:15	OldCoder	it causes crashes
05:15	OldCoder	Glow mod puts bioluminescent stuff in caves
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05:15	tats	is there a central repository for all these mods? they seem to often just be zipped files in the forum.
05:15	OldCoder	Sokomine is working on the Cottages mod (or modpack); medieval style buildings
05:15	OldCoder	I used to have a central one
05:16	OldCoder	May rebuild it
05:16	OldCoder	Many are scattered on sites that die
05:16	OldCoder	I
05:16	OldCoder	I'd like to mirror them
05:16	OldCoder	For a nice big collection get VanessaE Dreambuilder
05:16	tats	yes, i'll do that
05:16	OldCoder	The OldCoder _game will also be available once stable
05:16	OldCoder	Moment
05:16	OldCoder	Avoid Carts, they are buggy
05:16	OldCoder	Boats are said to be O.K.
05:17	OldCoder	The Food Modpack goes well with Farming+ or Farming++
05:17	OldCoder	Chocolate Cake!
05:17	OldCoder	I have a number of obsolete mods I am patching to work; I will make those public eventually
05:18	tats	thanks OldCoder, much appreciated
05:18	OldCoder	There are many other mods but perhaps this is a start
05:18	OldCoder	Try Dreambuilder first but delete the large windmills folder if present
05:18	tats	yeah! i'll try to install Dreambuilder
05:18	OldCoder	Oh...
05:18	OldCoder	News mod adds a popup screen that displays a news page for your players
05:19	OldCoder	xban2 is important for servers
05:19	OldCoder	Don't forget that one
05:19	OldCoder	travelnet for large worlds is good\
05:19	OldCoder	Many more but this is a start
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06:26	Zeno`	Calinou, that shading issue on the forums... I'm bisecting it now (just taking a while)
06:26	Calinou	OK
06:26	Zeno`	NO WORRIES
06:27	Zeno`	Why are we shouting? lol
06:27	Zeno`	It's not as if it's noisy in here heheh
06:27	Calinou	OK, then I can just delete my post since it's a known bug :P
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06:32	Zeno`	Well, it's not really known
06:33	Zeno`	I was going to make a bug report but I've been bisecting instead. Leave yours please?
06:34	Calinou	what am I going to write in it?
06:34	Calinou	I haven't even experienced this bug
06:36	Zeno`	really?
06:36	Zeno`	weird. Anyway I think I've found the issue
06:38	Zeno`	well, the commit that caused it anyway
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08:32	Calinou	chess anyone? http://lichess.org/zvwhpRwG
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08:38	Krock	Hello world.
08:38	Krock	Amazing. the /smsg command actually works
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08:40	Calinou	you mean /amsg?
08:40	Calinou	even celeron55 told me it was terrible!
08:41	Krock	Calinou, /smsg sends a message to all servers and all rooms
08:41	Krock	/amsg works for one server
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09:32	Krock	!tell RealBadAngel https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/issues
09:32	MinetestBot	Krock: I'll pass that on when RealBadAngel is around
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14:14	someguy_irc	!tell Jeija isn't this a bit outdated? o.o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kmeQj6iW5k
14:14	MinetestBot	someguy_irc: yeah, yeah
14:14	someguy_irc	ok ok .
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14:44	galundrux	Do you guys know about Mangler? I was thinking about if there was a way to make a gui for it inside minetest, then I could run a ventrilio server and it would be nice to have a gui in minetest to connect to it. Think anyone would be interested if I tried to make something like that?
14:50	galundrux	Or maybe something like mumble would be better, since it's compatiblw with all operating systems and they have a better licence. What I'm asking is if it's hard to make guis that control third party apps in minetest?
14:57	Zeno`	Someone was working on mumble I think
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15:00	Megaf	Hi all
15:06	galundrux	Yeah, I found some old treads about mumble, but nothing like that in them. I was thinking about being able to open a gui in minetest, like the server screen at launch, and conect to the channel you wanted to talk in from inside the game. Like a remote control for the mumble client, I'm reading the dev wiki now
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15:21	galundrux	Looks like lua has something called os.execute that calls external commands so it should at least be possible, I think I might have to try messing around with this :)
15:21	TheCephalopod	You can shut down your PC with that.
15:22	Jordach	"I Can Has Nukes? \n Drop a Nuke on another Civ." - good times
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15:25	kaeza	greetings
15:25	Zeno`	no, no... it should not be done it Lua (IMO)
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15:40	kaeza	indeed. don't use hacks like `os.execute` in the engine if you can avoid it; use a proper function from C++, like `execv*`/`popen`, or whatever the kids use these days
15:40	kaeza	mention systemd and you are automatically dead, by the way
15:41	kaeza	just in case :P
15:41	Zeno`	I don't mind systemd
15:41	* Zeno`	hides
15:44	brothersome	I have a problem with minetest on m.ayntest.net, my account does not go further than the first screen with clouds, please help
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15:45	PenguinDad	Woohoo I'm dead!
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15:48	Jordach	brothersome, just wait
15:48	Jordach	it's probably loading media
15:49	brothersome	Jordach, when I login with brothersome2 it works, brothersome account not - looks strange to me
15:51	Jordach	systemd sucks
15:53	Jordach	minetest is like init.d
15:53	Jordach	small, tiny, works
15:54	Jordach	freeminer is like systemd
15:54	Jordach	slow, fat, doesn't work due to distro developer fighting
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16:02	Out`Of`Control	Jordach: so you are systemd hater? :D
16:03	Jordach	ya
16:03	Jordach	we don't need no fucking monoliths
16:04	Out`Of`Control	did you hear about devuan?
16:04	Jordach	nope
16:04	Out`Of`Control	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg1MDQ
16:04	Jordach	staying out of a fight thats like a titanic shitstorm comparable to gamergate
16:09	sfan5	wat
16:09	sfan5	Jordach: you don't even use linux
16:09	Out`Of`Control	loool
16:10	kaeza	because systemd!
16:10	Out`Of`Control	brothersome: you there?
16:10	* kaeza	runs
16:10	* kaeza	pets sfan5
16:10	sfan5	and I'm tempted to [citation needed] for '<Jordach> slow, fat, doesn't work due to distro developer fighting' but that will only result in a fight
16:10	* sfan5	runs after kaeza
16:11	brothersome	Yes Out Of Control
16:11	Out`Of`Control	you still can't connect?
16:11	* PenguinDad	follows sfan5
16:11	* sfan5	catches kaeza and cuddles
16:12	Krock	Since when is nodeupdate(pos) no longer working?
16:12	brothersome	Only with another account
16:12	kaeza	Krock, define "not working"
16:12	brothersome	VERBOSE[ConnectionSend]
16:12	Out`Of`Control	brothersome: did you do what Evil told you?
16:12	Krock	kaeza, the updated node does not fall down. it's defined as falling_node
16:13	brothersome	Yes Out of Control, that does not work - whole minetest does not start or is very slow loading the textures
16:14	Out`Of`Control	brothersome: yeah on first start it will take a while
16:14	brothersome	Too long, I think there is something on the server. Why can I login with brothersome2
16:15	kaeza	Krock, sand works for me
16:15	brothersome	Today I have logged in with brothersome
16:15	Krock	kaeza, how about snow?
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16:16	kaeza	the block? it doesn't fall
16:16	Krock	kaeza, the thing I try is to 'replace' flowing water with snow. The snow should fall through the water until there's a solid node
16:16	brothersome	I shall try rename .minetest again
16:17	kaeza	Krock, ah, I see now
16:18	kaeza	Krock, looks like a bug in the "falling snow entity"
16:19	kaeza	it takes liquids as solid
16:20	Krock	kaeza, seems like builtin:item needs a ptach?
16:21	kaeza	Krock, but sand works correctly in your case...
16:21	Krock	hmm
16:23	Krock	maybe it's the float=1 group which does this
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16:24	kaeza	yep, looks like it
16:24	Krock	removes
16:24	kaeza	not sure if it's intentional
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16:27	Krock	purrfect. problem solved
16:29	* PenguinDad	meows at Krock
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16:35	MinetestBot	[git] Amaz1 -> minetest/minetest_game: Added the new door textures 8007c14 http://git.io/7Dbfqw (2014-11-30T17:34:35+01:00)
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16:36	mitrom	Good Mirnong
16:41	Krock	good evening, mitrom
16:41	mitrom	evennning
16:42	Calinou	hi
16:43	mitrom	ind33d i
16:43	mitrom	Indeed*
16:44	mitrom	Sorry habits
16:44	kaeza	moog gornind
16:45	Krock	kaeza, pls2topiclock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10657&p=163193#p163193
16:46	Calinou	lock? more like deleteâ€¦
16:47	MinetestBot	[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: README.txt: pinetreetop > pinetree_top 1a5725f http://git.io/JyChAg (2014-11-30T17:45:42+01:00)
16:47	MinetestBot	[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Pine tree, pine needles, pine sapling and pinewood nodes, including textures by Splizard and Cisoun 215c0c1 http://git.io/2MqAPA (2014-11-30T17:45:42+01:00)
16:47	Krock	Calinou, that user will re-poen it when he can't find it anymore
16:47	Calinou	I'll PM them
16:47	Krock	Don't forget to remove the download links in the post.
16:48	Krock	"You are not authorised to read this forum."
16:48	MinetestBot	[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest_game: Pine tree, pine needles, pine sapling and pinewood nodes, including textures by Splizard and Cisoun 6fb072e http://git.io/mguQ7w (2014-11-30T17:47:02+01:00)
16:48	Krock	Irony. I can visit the texture packs forum :3
16:48	Jordach	dat double commit
16:49	Calinou	super secret forum
16:49	Krock	Calinou, the rest-in-pies-topics forum?
16:49	Calinou	maybe, maybe not
16:49	sfan5	Jordach: squashes it before anyone (except the bot) noticed
16:49	Krock	yes. who knows? :3
16:50	PenguinDad	rip in peace MC texture pack
16:50	mitrom	indeed.
16:50	CaveJohnson	hi Calinou :)
16:50	mitrom	p good pack imo
16:50	mitrom	but its illegal
16:50	Krock	"rest in peace in peace"
16:50	mitrom	ripip
16:50	Krock	^ PenguinDad
16:50	Calinou	hi CaveJohnson
16:50	Calinou	I made lots of pull requests for the engine and game today :P
16:50	CaveJohnson	you alright? :)
16:50	Calinou	like, 5 or 6
16:50	CaveJohnson	nice :D
16:50	* Krock	puts a stone monster into CaveJohnson
16:50	CaveJohnson	:O
16:50	* CaveJohnson	puts a lemon monster on Krock
16:51	Krock	that doesn't work.
16:51	Krock	You are a cave. there it works
16:51	PenguinDad	Krock: Make CaveJohnson take the lemons back!
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16:51	Calinou	people do react quite negatively to them as usual
16:51	* Krock	throws the lemon monster towards CaveJohnson
16:51	Calinou	sometimes they just don't understand :(
16:52	Krock	Calinou, very useful. https://github.com/Calinou/minetest/commit/2728400dfb70c5db2666eed3f178bbc0124fc0be#diff-8d585596eb0f55074bb385d0a609f570R137
16:54	PenguinDad	also https://github.com/Calinou/minetest/commit/2728400dfb70c5db2666eed3f178bbc0124fc0be#diff-8d585596eb0f55074bb385d0a609f570R153
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16:54	Calinou	this one is approved by RBA
16:54	Calinou	I got around to understanding that code!
16:56	CaveJohnson	huh
16:56	CaveJohnson	i think i found a journalctl bug
16:56	CaveJohnson	Hint: Some lines were ellipsized, use -l to show in full.
16:56	CaveJohnson	> no lines ellipsized
16:57	CaveJohnson	yeah wc -c on them both returns the same amount
16:57	CaveJohnson	i found a boog
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17:02	MinetestBot	[git] CraigyDavi -> minetest/minetest_game: Fix some undeclared global variables 128f0ad http://git.io/tu4ecg (2014-11-30T18:02:33+01:00)
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17:37	Calinou	making a build script
17:48	Calinou	http://paste.ubuntu.com/9317753/
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17:49	Calinou	brought a working build down to 11 MB!
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18:29	MinetestBot	[git] Sapier at GMX dot net -> minetest/minetest: Make hud use fontengine too 39162de http://git.io/fY39nw (2014-11-30T18:06:54+01:00)
18:29	MinetestBot	[git] zeframfysh.org -> minetest/minetest: Scale form elements consistently d1d6a97 http://git.io/f6GjwQ (2014-11-30T17:50:09+01:00)
18:29	MinetestBot	[git] Sapier at GMX dot net -> minetest/minetest: Implement proper font handling dceb9f7 http://git.io/VRb_IQ (2014-11-30T17:50:09+01:00)
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19:06	exio4	Calinou, is nerfs == nerves?
19:07	Calinou	I use â€œnerfsâ€
19:08	exio4	ahm?
19:09	Calinou	I say â€œnerfsâ€
19:09	exio4	oh
19:12	marktraceur	...there's no such thing
19:12	shadowzone	XD
19:13	jentron	I just received a request for "hidden" doors. Is there a mintest mod for that?
19:13	Calinou	you could make one
19:13	Calinou	would be like doors, but with an invisible texture
19:13	Calinou	very easy to make
19:13	Calinou	if you want blocks you can go through (but look similar to normal ones), use More Blocks which provides Trap Stone and Trap Glass
19:14	Calinou	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=509
19:15	jentron	Hmm, I though I have MoreBlocks... Let me check
19:17	Calinou	moreblocks:trap_stone
19:17	Calinou	moreblocks:trap_glass
19:17	Calinou	(there is a slight hint about them being traps)
19:18	marktraceur	#spoilers
19:19	shadowzone	they're somewhat invisable?
19:19	exio4	nice
19:19	exio4	nouveau + last minetest at max settings = 4FPS
19:20	exio4	(fHD)
19:21	Calinou	max settings are slow
19:21	exio4	this is nouveau
19:21	exio4	and GT610
19:22	exio4	Calinou, have you seen the case I bought? :3
19:22	Calinou	no
19:22	Calinou	yeah, GT 610 too
19:22	exio4	http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001951
19:27	jentron	Is there a command like /giveme moreblocks:trap_stone?
19:27	Calinou	lol, Thermaltake
19:27	Calinou	jentron, yes
19:27	jentron	Is that the way it goes?
19:27	Calinou	yes, /giveme gives items to you
19:27	Calinou	/giveme stone -1
19:27	Calinou	gives you a large stack of stone
19:28	Calinou	(-1 = 65535)
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19:29	jentron	thanks. :)
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19:37	Megaf	Hi all
19:37	Megaf	is there any documentation anywhere about the cracky, flashy amd other tools params?
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19:43	Krock	Megaf, it's simple. they just reprsent the [group]=seconds
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19:47	Megaf	Krock: Thanks
19:48	Megaf	Krock: and any idea where I can find info on how to write a mapgen? Or a template?
19:48	Krock	Megaf, just look up the work of the modders
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19:57	Megaf	Im creating a game from almost scratch
19:59	jin_xi	wub wub wub
19:59	Megaf	da da da
20:00	Megaf	That German song
20:00	gravgun	Ook?
20:00	* gravgun	writes Brainf*ck in his brain, then translates to Ook
20:02	Megaf	da da da
20:02	Megaf	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5T8QnF24tI
20:02	Megaf	!title
20:02	MinetestBot	Megaf: 'Da da da' Pepsi Ad: Bavaria and football - YouTube
20:02	MinetestBot	john_minetest: DUBSTEP INTRO - WUB WUB WUB WUB DÃ– DÃ– DÃ– DÃ–! - YouTube
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20:43	Megaf	OldCoder: Are you there?
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20:55	Megaf	can anyone help me with this code? https://raw.githubusercontent.com/minetest/minetest_game/master/mods/sethome/init.lua
20:55	Megaf	I'd like to remove the part where it requires a priv
20:58	Megaf	ok, easy enough
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21:08	OldCoder	Megaf, yes
21:09	Megaf	OldCoder: DMan is online now, would you like me to tell him to join openmine?
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21:19	jin_xi	hm, was there some change with simple decorations? mine dont show up anymore
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21:40	OldCoder	Megaf, I have talked a bit with him. Thank you for the remarks. I do not believe that he is real.
21:40	OldCoder	He claims to have been in a crippling concussion fog for months
21:40	OldCoder	Despite showing no signs of this. And during this foggy concussion period...
21:40	OldCoder	He has been busy entering the Air Force
21:40	OldCoder	Yeah, right :P
21:41	* OldCoder	has gotten a little tired of this sort of thing after years of it
21:41	OldCoder
21:41	Megaf	OldCoder: so you think he is an impostor?
21:41	OldCoder	Concussions don't generally work like that
21:42	OldCoder	Megaf, if you happen to see him in the future, tell him I had my own skull cracked...
21:42	OldCoder	and suffered a subdural hematoma
21:42	OldCoder	And that he should drop the bullsh*t
21:42	Megaf	lol
21:42	OldCoder
21:43	* shadowzone	cd minetest/Build and git pulls and compiles
21:43	OldCoder	Well, we know that he is not Trustable :-)
21:43	OldCoder	^ joke
21:43	shadowzone	I know a joke when I see one and that was a Joke
21:43	* OldCoder	at humor does poke
21:44	OldCoder	Either the original DMan was a prankster or this person was not the same one
21:44	OldCoder	Whatever
21:44	OldCoder
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22:02	JPdelatorre	is someone around?
22:02	JPdelatorre	I have a question regarding promix gardening
22:03	kaeza	"don't ask to ask, just ask"
22:04	JPdelatorre	:P
22:04	JPdelatorre	ok, sorry
22:04	JPdelatorre	well, the thing is seeds are jumping back to my hand
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22:05	JPdelatorre	I have the promix, water just bellow and grow lamps about 3 blocks away
22:05	JPdelatorre	but the seeds won't stay in the ground
22:07	kaeza	I think the lamps must be >= 4 blocks over the promix to work, but not sure
22:08	JPdelatorre	probably
22:08	JPdelatorre	:/
22:10	JPdelatorre	didn't work
22:11	JPdelatorre	but I can put the seeds anywhere else
22:11	JPdelatorre	they just hate promix
22:13	galundrux	what folder is map.sqlite supposed to be stored in?
22:14	shadowzone	the world file
22:15	galundrux	yeah, so it's in the worlds/worldname/ folder or the worlds/worldname/map/ folder?
22:16	shadowzone	what OS?
22:16	galundrux	linux, debian
22:16	shadowzone	okay
22:17	shadowzone	for me it is located in /home/../.minetest/worlds/<worldname>
22:19	shadowzone	And if it's not there
22:19	shadowzone	try
22:19	kaeza	JPdelatorre, where did you get the hydro mod?
22:20	galundrux	okay, thanks
22:20	JPdelatorre	I'm playing in a server that's not mine
22:21	kaeza	ah
22:21	JPdelatorre	and I've seen the promix work elsewhere
22:22	kaeza	this setup seems to work: https://mediacru.sh/4HzqDAqLRQ1c
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22:22	JPdelatorre	thanks a bunch, I'll take a look
22:22	MinetestBot	[git] kahrl -> minetest/minetest: Fix segfault at exit caused by non grabbed font 16781da http://git.io/ZIarEA (2014-11-30T23:21:14+01:00)
22:28	kaeza	the code for the hydro mod makes me want to cry ;_;
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22:40	JPdelatorre	kaeza it is still not working, I'll try again tomorrow and quit after that, if it doesn't work.
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22:40	JPdelatorre	thank anyway, was very kind of you :)
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