IRC log for #minetest, 2014-05-04

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00:13	Jordach	Sokomine, go to bd
00:13	Jordach	bed*
00:13	Jordach	(also, http://www.mediafire.com/listen/114aooov4ap4obj/synthgroove2.ogg)
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00:44	MinetestBot	GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Fix numeric underflow on calculating window size adjustment 09e8bbea03 2014-05-04T02:43:01+02:00 http://git.io/TRnaSA
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02:50	WindHero	there, I modularized the mobsplus mod
02:50	WindHero	now the inits for all the mobs are separate and can be toggled off in the main init.lua
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03:16	WindHero	And now I added the Mese Monster and Lava Flan from zmobs.
03:16	WindHero	Changes committed to GitHub, and notice posted in the forum thread.
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04:13	Aethrs	This is probably a well known question but.. Is it possible to bring a minecraft world into minetest ?
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04:33	Eater4	;op
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06:59	WindHero	when creating a new Minetest "game"....
06:59	WindHero	is game.conf relatively similar to minetest.conf?
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07:17	* Krock	doesn't say hi. Totally rude.
07:19	Krock	sfan5, the IE-hole has been filled. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwged_96AdY
07:26	sfan5	!title
07:26	MinetestBot	sfan5: Windows LÃ¼cke / Internet Explorer LÃ¼cke (Update) - YouTube
07:26	sfan5	Krock: yeah, i know
07:27	sfan5	hello everyone
07:27	sfan5	meow
07:28	* Krock	gives sfan5 a cookie
07:28	* sfan5	noms it
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07:32	Krock	7/143666931 3/32
07:32	Krock	wtf
07:32	Krock	we don't have 143 million players :3
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07:45	whiskers75	!up capere.whiskers75.co.uk
07:45	MinetestBot	capere.whiskers75.co.uk:30000 is up (229ms)
07:45	whiskers75	waah, why can't I connect
07:45	Krock	i can
07:45	whiskers75	please don't :p
07:46	Krock	too late
07:46	whiskers75	08:44:51: ERROR[ConnectionSend]: con(11/0)RunTimeouts(): Peer 1 has timed out. (source=peer->timeout_counter)
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07:46	Krock	:(
07:46	whiskers75	nice try
07:46	Krock	asie, you're symathic "please don't :p"
07:46	Krock	^^
07:46	whiskers75	03:45:50: ACTION[ServerThread]: asie joins game. List of players: Krock
07:46	whiskers75	pls
07:46	Krock	wut?
07:47	Krock	what's wrong with joining your amazing server?
07:47	whiskers75	;)
07:47	whiskers75	one second
07:47	whiskers75	lemme switch wifi networks
07:48	* Krock	noticed a speed of 5 minutes per compressed backup
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07:49	whiskers75	there
07:49	Krock	300MB -> 242MB uhm ok.. backups use less space
07:49	Krock	..when they're compressed
07:51	whiskers75	Krock: oic
07:51	whiskers75	my server has some bugs with connections (it's running a tor relay)
07:51	Krock	why are you running it over tor???
07:54	PenguinDad	Krock: you can't run a server over tor except the remote media server
07:54	Krock	whiskers75?
07:54	whiskers75	Krock: The server also runs a tor relay
07:55	whiskers75	(the server which I'm running Minetest on)
07:55	Krock	ah
07:59	whiskers75	ok
07:59	whiskers75	I think it's fixed
07:59	whiskers75	Krock: feel free to connect now
08:00	Calinou	hi
08:01	Calinou	More ways to get coins, added rare coin ore which drops a gold coin at -3000 and below, make some mobs a bit more rare, make bedrock drop nothing. Made clay easier to access but only drop 3 lumps.
08:01	Calinou	now you can get all kinds of coins ;)
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08:03	whiskers75	Calinou: YAY Carbone!
08:03	whiskers75	capere.whiskers75.co.uk:30000 uses it
08:04	Krock	Calinou, and what are those coins good for? vanity?
08:04	whiskers75	Yeah, I want to know too
08:04	whiskers75	I have 48 copper coins
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08:04	Krock	whiskers75, plase set map save interval to 300
08:04	Calinou	yeah, they have no use
08:05	whiskers75	sure, why?
08:05	Krock	whiskers75, dafaults create horrible lag
08:05	Calinou	they stack up to 10000 now (makes it easy to see full stacks)
08:05	Krock	*defaults
08:05	whiskers75	Krock: mkay
08:05	Calinou	and the round number looks pretty, when you have it ;)
08:05	whiskers75	any way to livereload config?
08:05	Krock	Calinou, 9999 :P
08:05	Calinou	10000 now
08:05	PenguinDad	Calinou/carbone#1 makes me laugh
08:05	Calinou	see latest commit
08:05	Krock	whiskers75, /set config
08:05	Calinou	PenguinDad, what's that
08:05	Krock	whiskers75, idk if there's a command to save the changed configuration
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08:16	whiskers75	sfan5: ooh
08:16	whiskers75	sfan5: lemme configure
08:16	whiskers75	sfan5: expect downtime
08:16	sfan5	noooooo
08:17	whiskers75	sfan5: will the world automagically migrate to redis?
08:17	sfan5	no
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08:17	sfan5	read the top of the wiki page
08:17	whiskers75	oh, I'll use leveldb
08:18	whiskers75	redis doesn't work
08:18	sfan5	no?
08:18	sfan5	error plz
08:18	whiskers75	sfan5: it says unknown backend
08:19	asie	hiredis
08:19	asie	i think that's the correct name
08:19	sfan5	you need to compile with redis support
08:19	asie	that too
08:19	Calinou	you need latest git and compile with support
08:19	sfan5	and install libhiredis-dev
08:19	whiskers75	oh, I didn't compile with redis support
08:19	whiskers75	>_>
08:19	whiskers75	-- redis library: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libhiredis.so
08:19	whiskers75	-- redis headers: /usr/include/hiredis
08:19	whiskers75	-- redis backend enabled
08:20	* sfan5	high fives whiskers75
08:20	* whiskers75	high fives sfan5
08:20	* sfan5	purrs
08:20	* whiskers75	purrs
08:20	Calinou	why isn't LevelDB used by default? not stable enough? doesn't work reliably on Windows?
08:20	whiskers75	>windows
08:20	sfan5	Calinou: not supported by any client
08:20	Krock	good question -^
08:20	sfan5	it works on windows
08:20	Krock	I hope it wil be default for 0.4.10
08:20	Krock	*will
08:21	sfan5	to build it for windows you need the src files from github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/src/leveldb
08:21	VanessaE	plus celeron55 wants more testing done to see if this certain synchronization parameter can be used to make sqlite go even faster than levendb, reliably
08:21	whiskers75	[ 82%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/minetestserver.dir/nodedef.cpp.o
08:21	Calinou	what does â€œnot supported by any clientâ€ mean?
08:21	sfan5	it also needs to be default on android because sqlite3 does not work there for some reason
08:21	sfan5	Calinou: s/any/some/
08:21	Calinou	ah
08:22	Calinou	I gtg, bye, thanks for the answer
08:22	sfan5	hm
08:22	* Calinou	throws a few silver coins in the room
08:22	* Krock	waves at Calinou
08:22	VanessaE	leveldb*
08:22	sfan5	but I think it should be supported in every client
08:22	sfan5	VanessaE: http://rocksdb.org :P
08:22	Krock	ugh again a backend?
08:23	PenguinDad	Krock: nobody developed it atm
08:23	whiskers75	sfan5, Krock: migratin'
08:23	whiskers75	04:23:13: ACTION[main]: Successfully migrated 14013 blocks
08:23	VanessaE	http://www.sqlite.org/pragma.html#pragma_synchronous
08:23	VanessaE	that.
08:23	Krock	how small... just 14k
08:23	whiskers75	it's up!
08:24	sfan5	it might be enough to do s/leveldb/rocksdb/ on database-leveldb.cpp to support rocksdb
08:24	sfan5	\o/
08:24	whiskers75	!up capere.whiskers75.co.uk
08:24	MinetestBot	capere.whiskers75.co.uk:30000 is up (58ms)
08:24	Krock	uptime=19.2
08:24	whiskers75	sfan5: how do you reset a password?
08:24	sfan5	whiskers75: you might want to set map_save_interval to something small, because the data stays in ram
08:25	Calinou	There are 1749 registered nodes, items and tools. â†’ what I get in Carbone when starting
08:25	Calinou	that looks like a lot
08:25	sfan5	whiskers75: delete entry in auth.txt or /setpassword user password
08:25	Calinou	it's probably due to Stairs+ stuff
08:25	sfan5	(you need to restart for the first thing I mentioned)
08:28	whiskers75	sfan5: argh, it's laggy
08:28	Krock	whiskers75, send your minetset.conf file
08:28	whiskers75	why?
08:28	sfan5	whiskers75: if redis does not work out you can try leveldb
08:29	whiskers75	sfan5: this server is beefy
08:29	whiskers75	I can handle redis
08:29	sfan5	did you compile with luajit?
08:29	whiskers75	no
08:29	whiskers75	should I
08:29	whiskers75	?
08:29	sfan5	that makes some things faster
08:29	whiskers75	okay
08:29	whiskers75	what apt package
08:29	sfan5	it's usually a good idea
08:30	sfan5	libluajit5.1-dev IIRC
08:30	whiskers75	yay recompiling
08:30	sfan5	libluajit-5.1-dev*
08:30	whiskers75	-- Performing Test VALID_LUAJIT_VERSION - Success
08:30	whiskers75	-- LuaJIT version ok
08:30	* Krock	has easy life with just downloading binaries
08:31	whiskers75	lol
08:31	whiskers75	us hardcore people compile
08:31	sfan5	^
08:31	whiskers75	65% done
08:32	whiskers75	sfan5: it does use more memory and cpu, but meh, this server can take it
08:33	whiskers75	!up capere.whiskers75.co.uk
08:33	MinetestBot	capere.whiskers75.co.uk:30000 is up (105ms)
08:33	whiskers75	:D
08:37	VanessaE	I need some git advice :)
08:37	* sfan5	is there to help
08:37	VanessaE	good :)
08:38	VanessaE	for the sake of maintaining the mods in dreambuilder, pulling in changes and such, that is. Right now none of the mods in the game have any git histories in them because last time I left such data in place, I was met with nothing but headaches.
08:38	VanessaE	that is, only the overall game carries a history (which goes as far back as minetest_game does, plus all of my changes)
08:39	VanessaE	so if I want to merge a mod's changes, for now I have been copying the mod wholesale into the game, sans .git* and then doing my usual git add/commit/push trio for the repo as a whole
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08:40	Krock	whiskers75, getting ping of 1s at Onez server..
08:40	VanessaE	I don't like doing that because it means it's easy to break stuff and it loses the commit history of the individual mods (especially authorship)
08:40	VanessaE	what's the PROPER way to do this?
08:40	whiskers75	VanessaE: use git submodules
08:40	sfan5	^
08:41	VanessaE	ick... that means a person who clones my project is gonna have to do extra steps to get the whole thing
08:42	sfan5	yes
08:42	sfan5	git submodules init && git submodules update
08:42	sfan5	or directly: git clone -r <uri>
08:42	asie	that's what i do
08:43	VanessaE	ok let's see what happens.
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08:47	VanessaE	hm, git clone -r isn't regocnized by my git command.
08:48	PenguinDad	VanessaE: try --recursive
08:49	VanessaE	hm, that didn't work as expected.
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08:49	VanessaE	I probably didn't push the update correctly.
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08:51	sfan5	git add .gitmodules (or whatever it is called)
08:52	VanessaE	git submodule add <uri>
08:52	* whiskers75	afks
08:52	* sfan5	waves whiskers75
08:52	VanessaE	but that isn't what I want to do here.
08:52	* whiskers75	waves back
08:52	VanessaE	well maybe it is.
08:53	VanessaE	oy.
09:06	sfan5	!c 17*2
09:06	MinetestBot	34
09:08	PenguinDad	yay! sticky pistons are broken
09:08	asie	not for me
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09:13	FreeFull	Is it normal that the v7 worldgen doesn't generate any dirt, trees, or sand?
09:13	PenguinDad	in carbone they are broken :(
09:13	FreeFull	I'm not sure if it generates gravel either
09:13	sfan5	FreeFull: yes, mgv7 needs mods/subgames that defined biomes
09:13	FreeFull	Ah
09:17	FreeFull	So indev is the one to go for?
09:17	sfan5	either v6 or index
09:17	sfan5	indev*
09:19	FreeFull	Or I suppose mathgen if you want to cheat and add dirt
09:19	FreeFull	Aaah, so many flowers
09:20	PenguinDad	here is the mesecons crash in carbone http://0bin.net/paste/ePrQGlU2C6WAegyf#145VX2H4fwsOWwGiItyxHhTK+1DaG/oTSi00ENR1j9s=
09:22	FreeFull	I miss the worldgen that generated those amazing huge mountains and arches
09:22	FreeFull	By huge I mean absolutely gigantic
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09:22	sfan5	FreeFull: https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/tree/mgv5 celeron55 was working on bringing the 0.3.1 mapgen back
09:22	FreeFull	With the top well above cloud level
09:22	FreeFull	sfan5: That's awesome
09:23	sfan5	did you try mg yet? (not that it does this much, but..)
09:24	FreeFull	Nope
09:24	sfan5	it's worth a try
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09:26	FreeFull	Does singlenode actually generate a node?
09:26	sfan5	yes but it fills the whole world with it
09:26	sfan5	ironically singlenode does not generate a single node
09:26	whiskers75	sfan5: still playing on my server, btw?
09:26	sfan5	yes
09:27	sfan5	I completed the lava lightning
09:27	whiskers75	:D
09:27	FreeFull	I'm at 0,0,0 and there is nothing ):
09:27	whiskers75	FreeFull: on my server?
09:27	FreeFull	I'll have to worldedit something in if I want to do anything
09:27	FreeFull	whiskers75: No
09:27	whiskers75	oh,
09:27	FreeFull	Locally
09:27	whiskers75	v7
09:27	sfan5	singlenode fills the world with air by default
09:27	FreeFull	Ah
09:27	FreeFull	That's what it means by singlenode
09:30	sfan5	whiskers75: https://mediacru.sh/9ecc8092e959
09:34	FreeFull	Ok, I've replaced a single air node with dirt
09:34	FreeFull	Now I can actually build
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09:39	sfan5	<random> irc stats updated! </random>
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09:47	PenguinDad	whiskers75: anticheat is disabled on your server isn't it?
09:48	whiskers75	PenguinDad: no, it's enabled
09:48	whiskers75	05:27:27: ACTION[ServerThread]: sfan5 moves stuff to chest at (censored)
09:48	whiskers75	:D
09:49	FreeFull	Is there any way to see node IDs in inventory?
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09:51	PenguinDad	explains why I could barely move after death
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09:52	reactor	ehlo
09:52	reactor	Speaking of death.
09:52	reactor	Why don't players always move to spawn when they die?
09:55	whiskers75	sfan5: I'mma get on the server
09:55	whiskers75	oh yay
09:55	whiskers75	I mucked up my password again
09:57	whiskers75	whup, small reboot
09:57	whiskers75	PenguinDad: are you GhostDoge?
09:57	PenguinDad	yep
09:57	whiskers75	sorry, I'm having password problems
09:58	whiskers75	PenguinDad: it's up
09:58	whiskers75	wait, wat
09:59	whiskers75	PenguinDad: there, fixed my problems
09:59	whiskers75	PenguinDad: you can login now
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09:59	PenguinDad	lol I got this error again "float con::Connection::getLocalStat(rate_stat_type): Assertion '"Connection::getLocalStat we couldn't get our own peer? are you serious???" == 0' failed."
10:00	whiskers75	PenguinDad: wat
10:00	whiskers75	O.o
10:02	whiskers75	PenguinDad: are you in now?
10:02	* sfan5	is back
10:03	whiskers75	;D
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10:14	sfan5	whiskers75: you timed out :-(
10:15	whiskers75	sfan5: D:
10:15	whiskers75	sfan5: sec
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10:23	whiskers75	sfan5: actually, I have to go
10:23	whiskers75	bai
10:23	sfan5	:-(
10:23	* sfan5	waves
10:23	whiskers75	stupid revision
10:23	whiskers75	bai
10:27	whiskers75	sfan5: continue building the top, and leave a locked door for me pls
10:28	sfan5	ok
10:28	sfan5	how do I make locked doors btw?
10:29	sfan5	!tell Calinou why won't diamonds in carbone drop diamonds?
10:29	MinetestBot	sfan5: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
10:30	markveidemanis	Hi
10:31	whiskers75	sfan5: no idea
10:31	whiskers75	!tell Calinou how the heck do you make stairs in Carbone?
10:31	MinetestBot	whiskers75: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
10:33	sfan5	is this a cheap joke?
10:33	sfan5	https://github.com/Calinou/carbone/blob/master/mods/default/nodes.lua#L127-132
10:33	markveidemanis	whiskers75, Check the code
10:33	whiskers75	sfan5: wow
10:33	whiskers75	sfan5: ._.
10:34	sfan5	how do you get diamonds then?
10:34	markveidemanis	sfan5, Wut?
10:34	markveidemanis	oh
10:35	sfan5	apparently you can't get diamonds
10:35	sfan5	this is very nice, NOT!
10:35	whiskers75	sfan5: should I patch carbone?
10:36	sfan5	nah
10:36	sfan5	!tell Calinou how do you get diamonds in carbone?
10:36	MinetestBot	sfan5: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
10:36	sfan5	atleast mese drops mese
10:36	whiskers75	sfan5: xD
10:38	sfan5	ooh ooh
10:38	sfan5	a mese block!
10:39	whiskers75	sfan5: O.O
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10:40	sfan5	asie\|tab: tab as in tablet?
10:48	VanessaE	sfan5: I'm confused... all of the submodule stuff worked, but none of my local changes are pushing to the remote repository
10:48	VanessaE	they're all here, down to the last byte
10:48	sfan5	did you do "git add .gitmodules"
10:48	sfan5	(or similar)
10:48	VanessaE	git add . actually.
10:48	VanessaE	https://github.com/VanessaE/dreambuilder_game
10:49	VanessaE	there's the current state of the game
10:49	sfan5	the building_blocks thing looks broken
10:49	VanessaE	yeah I know, I'll sort that one out separately.
10:49	sfan5	oh and you need to update the submoduless to new commits
10:50	sfan5	submodules were intended for people to recreate an exact state
10:50	sfan5	they won't automatically track remote
10:51	VanessaE	so just cd to each dir, git submodule update and then...what?
10:53	whiskers75	sfan5: ping
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10:57	VanessaE	sigh
10:57	VanessaE	there's no way around it. I have no choice but to lose all of the git histories for those other mods huh.
10:59	VanessaE	otherwise it's just gonna be 10x more complicated to actually manage.
11:01	VanessaE	ls
11:01	whiskers75	:/
11:01	sfan5	whiskers75: pong
11:01	VanessaE	oops
11:01	whiskers75	sfan5: get on da server
11:02	sfan5	ok
11:02	whiskers75	sfan5: actually, wait
11:02	whiskers75	need to configure thigns
11:02	sfan5	ok
11:04	whiskers75	sfan5: there
11:04	whiskers75	sfan5: now get on
11:04	sfan5	k
11:05	VanessaE	fuck it.
11:05	* VanessaE	starts over from scratch
11:05	VanessaE	this is why I keep backups :P
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11:05	VanessaE	and records of what I did
11:10	* markveidemanis	wonders what takes up 20GB on his linux partition
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11:15	whiskers75	sfan5?
11:15	sfan5	whiskers75: sorry, I was trying to debug minetest crashing on my phone
11:15	whiskers75	minetest on a phone?
11:15	whiskers75	O>O
11:15	sfan5	yes
11:15	sfan5	http://dev.minetest.net/Android
11:16	whiskers75	O.o
11:16	whiskers75	need to have
11:16	sfan5	meow
11:17	sfan5	whiskers75: it's not done yet (if it was we would have it in the play store)
11:17	whiskers75	D:
11:18	sfan5	but it works
11:18	whiskers75	is it playable?
11:18	sfan5	a bit
11:18	whiskers75	like how
11:18	whiskers75	sfan5: can you perform basic functions?
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11:19	sfan5	yes
11:19	whiskers75	:D
11:19	sfan5	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=138421#p138421
11:19	whiskers75	sfan5: can you send me an apk to whiskers75+mtwhiskers75.co.uk?
11:20	sfan5	maybe
11:20	sfan5	i currently only have an apk that crashes
11:20	Krock	~tell
11:20	ShadowBot	Krock: tell <nick> <text>
11:20	whiskers75	sfan5: lol
11:20	Krock	~tell CraigyDavi player "sagg" would like to get unbanned
11:20	ShadowBot	Krock: O.K.
11:20	sfan5	Krock: y u no use MinetestBot's functions?
11:21	whiskers75	sfan5: but you had it working once?
11:21	sfan5	yes
11:21	whiskers75	Did you not keep a backup?
11:21	sfan5	no
11:22	sfan5	I'm currently testing this out: http://dev.minetest.net/Android#Android.27s_support_library
11:22	sfan5	would be good if that works out
11:23	whiskers75	sfan5: email me a copy if it works
11:23	sfan5	will do
11:24	whiskers75	sfan5: meanwhile, more revision
11:24	sfan5	:-(
11:24	* sfan5	waves again
11:24	whiskers75	sfan5: I'll be back in an hour/whenever you finish your android build
11:25	whiskers75	so finish it quickly, I need that for my Galaxy S1 :3
11:25	sfan5	ok :Â§
11:25	sfan5	:3*
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11:30	Krock	sfan5, I think i'm still muted of minetestbot cuz of calculating 333**3 :3
11:31	sfan5	are you?
11:31	Krock	MinetestBot!
11:31	sfan5	/home/stefan/aw/minetest.newest/src/game.cpp:1062:6: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
11:31	sfan5	^ awesome
11:31	Krock	yup
11:31	sfan5	!unignore Krock
11:31	MinetestBot	sfan5: 'Krock' removed from ignore list.
11:31	sfan5	make
11:31	sfan5	oh wrong window
11:31	whiskers75	sfan5: :D
11:31	Krock	lol
11:31	sfan5	shit
11:31	whiskers75	wat?
11:32	sfan5	I guess I need to use gcc 4.6 instead of 4.8
11:32	sfan5	I wonder why it compiled last time
11:32	whiskers75	eww toolchain stuff
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11:37	whiskers75	!help7
11:37	whiskers75	!help
11:37	MinetestBot	https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
11:37	whiskers75	!btc gbp
11:37	MinetestBot	1 BTC = 256.4200 Â£
11:38	PenguinDad	!btc rub
11:38	MinetestBot	1 BTC = 15436.4500 RUB
11:40	whiskers75	PenguinDad: sorry for screwing with the server, it's back up
11:40	whiskers75	!up capere.whiskers75.co.uk
11:40	MinetestBot	capere.whiskers75.co.uk:30000 is up (221ms)
11:40	markveidemanis	!btc 2000
11:40	MinetestBot	markveidemanis: Unknown currency. Supported currencies: ISK, USD, AUD, CHF, RUB, SEK, KRW, THB, CNY, JPY, DKK, BRL, GBP, NZD, TWD, PLN, EUR, CLP, SGD, HKD, CAD
11:41	markveidemanis	!btc GBP
11:41	MinetestBot	1 BTC = 254.8900 Â£
11:41	markveidemanis	fucking hell
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11:44	whiskers75	sfan5: how is it going?
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11:45	sfan5	whiskers75: 4.6 does not crash
11:45	whiskers75	can has apk?
11:46	sfan5	maybe
11:46	sfan5	let me test myself
11:46	whiskers75	sfan5: then I want it
11:47	whiskers75	if it works, I'll play a bit
11:47	sfan5	you cannot open the inventory yet
11:47	sfan5	(but a bluetooth keyboard should work)
11:47	whiskers75	D:
11:47	whiskers75	but does it work
11:47	sfan5	yes
11:47	sfan5	I can fix things
11:47	whiskers75	give pls
11:48	sapier	whiskers75: looking for a android port of minetest?
11:48	whiskers75	I'm happy with an early alpha, I just want to get this thing running and see if it works
11:48	whiskers75	sapier: ye
11:48	sapier	http://animalsmod.comuf.com/downloads/Minetest-debug.apk try this one, plz give feedback
11:48	reactor	Speaking of death, again.
11:48	reactor	Why do random-input clients keep moving after they die?
11:48	reactor	And don't respawn?
11:48	sfan5	because the won't click the button
11:49	sapier	did anyone experience strange crafting behaviour in current master lately?
11:50	whiskers75	sapier: installing
11:50	sfan5	why won't gdb work?
11:50	whiskers75	sfan5: because gdb
11:50	sapier	gdb on windows?
11:50	whiskers75	sfan5: takes a while to install O.o
11:50	sfan5	on linux
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11:50	reactor	Everything takes time to install in Windows.
11:51	sapier	works for me, can you give me more information what you're doing?
11:51	reactor	Thanks to the extremely non-automated everything.
11:51	whiskers75	sapier: I've got a loading bar
11:51	whiskers75	sapier: it's scanning things
11:51	reactor	Fancy buttons you have to click for no reason.
11:51	sfan5	whiskers75: just wait
11:51	whiskers75	it has no progress on it
11:51	whiskers75	O.o
11:52	whiskers75	oh
11:52	whiskers75	wow
11:52	whiskers75	there
11:52	whiskers75	it has a lot of progress
11:52	whiskers75	Aaaaaand it crashed!
11:52	* whiskers75	claps
11:52		whiskers75 was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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11:52	sapier	we don't know how much is there, that'S why it's scanning ;-)
11:52	* markveidemanis	just got bitcoin
11:52	whiskers75	sapier: it crashed
11:52	sapier	that's not what it's supposed to do whiskers75 ;-)
11:52	whiskers75	or so I gathered
11:52	whiskers75	oh
11:52	sapier	do you have usb attached?
11:52	whiskers75	wow
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11:52	whiskers75	I got a meanu
11:52	whiskers75	but you have to press back
11:53	sapier	ok menu is good
11:53	VanessaE	sfan5: there, that cleans it up.
11:53	VanessaE	did it the brute-force way. nasty, but it works when all else fails :-S
11:54	whiskers75	sapier: the menu looks glitchy
11:54	whiskers75	lemme try connecting to my server
11:54	sapier	define "glitchy"?
11:54	whiskers75	sapier: it uses more of the screen then that available
11:54	whiskers75	holy crap
11:54	whiskers75	I'm in
11:54	sapier	how big is your screen?
11:54	whiskers75	That of a Galaxy SI
11:54	whiskers75	s/I/1
11:55	whiskers75	WOW
11:55	whiskers75	1 FPS
11:55	whiskers75	SUCH SPEED
11:55	sapier	did you see the standard menu from minetest or the simplified one?
11:55	whiskers75	standard
11:55	sapier	ok then there's a bug, the crash you've seen, it should've shown a simplified one
11:55	whiskers75	it didn't
11:56	whiskers75	I had to press 'return' and then it showed the normal one
11:56	whiskers75	sapier: I get into the UI, and there's 1 FPS
11:56	sapier	I'm gonna check, need to rebase it to current master too, this port is (slowly) beeing merged to master
11:56	sapier	disable all that fancy graphics stuff in settings
11:57	whiskers75	sapier: mkay
11:57	whiskers75	sapier: how to press escape?
11:57	sapier	android devices aren't that fast
11:57	sapier	back should do
11:57	whiskers75	ah
11:58	whiskers75	I can disable the stuff in settings
11:58	whiskers75	but then can't get back :P
11:58	sapier	why not?
11:58	whiskers75	sapier: because of the glitchy menu
11:58	sapier	ok guess I should fix the wrong menu beeing shown first :-)
11:58	sapier	give me some minutes
11:59	whiskers75	ok, lemme try without 3d clouds and fancy water
11:59	whiskers75	yay, 2 fps...
11:59	whiskers75	sapier: you need to optimize the hell out of this thing
11:59	whiskers75	sapier: want a logcat?
12:00	sapier	try to move to some other place in world too, there are some world elements causing severe fps drops, we don't know exactly what those things are
12:00	sapier	happens e.g. on vanesse's vanilla server arround spawn
12:00	whiskers75	sapier: I'm in my base (lots of lava)
12:00	whiskers75	sapier: lemme try a singleplayer wolf
12:00	whiskers75	rlf*
12:00	whiskers75	world*
12:01	reactor	sfan5: they won't click the button, but why would there have to be a button?
12:01	reactor	Why not just respawn the player after a delay?
12:01	whiskers75	sfan5: do you get faster fps with your build?
12:01	whiskers75	sapier: ah ha
12:01	whiskers75	sapier: lava is laggy, I think
12:01	whiskers75	I'm on a singleplayer island, and it's not that laggy
12:01	whiskers75	and it crashed
12:01	sapier	lol :)
12:01	whiskers75	lemme give you a logcat
12:02	whiskers75	oh wait, g2g
12:02	whiskers75	sapier: I'll do more later
12:02	sapier	I don't think sfan5's build behaves significant different as of fps
12:02	sapier	ok thanks
12:02	whiskers75	sapier: email new builds to whiskers75+mtwhiskers75.co.uk
12:02	whiskers75	I'll try them and email you back when I have time
12:02	whiskers75	bai
12:02	sapier	unless it's a release build, there's a difference to debug
12:03	puhfa	hey, ive been trying to look for this piece of information online for days but so far with my skills nothing has turned up
12:03	puhfa	does voxelmanip force every needed chunk to load?
12:04	puhfa	and if not, is there a way to determine whether a single item in the data table has been loaded or not
12:04	puhfa	without using get_node() for instance
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12:12	VanessaE	bbl.
12:20	whiskers75	sapier: you got another build?
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12:20	sapier	not yet whiskers75
12:21	sfan5	halp http://0bin.net/paste/fzhRNMwQ0RnoimmJ#c/DGkKc55mwz50dybz0g+fxhTaC7f0yFefFFKrbMoZA=
12:23	sfan5	^ whiskers75: solve that for me, then you can have the build
12:24	whiskers75	sfan5: O.o
12:24	whiskers75	sfan5: can't
12:24	sfan5	use your kitten powa
12:29	whiskers75	sfan5: but latin revision
12:29	sfan5	I need to do stuff too
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12:34	whiskers75	sapier: how's it going?
12:35	sapier	need to fix something else first, don't expect it do be finished the next minutes
12:36	sapier	it's a little bit more work then expected too
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12:38	whiskers75	sapier: will it be finished in 30 mins?
12:40	sapier	I don't think so
12:41	whiskers75	D:
12:42	whiskers75	sfan5: what about you
12:43	sfan5	one of libgcc or libstdc++ is broken
12:43	whiskers75	sfan5: sounds fun
12:46	sfan5	WHAT THE FUCK CMAKE?
12:46	sfan5	it simply destroyed my configuration without asking
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12:49	whiskers75	sfan5: lol
12:49	whiskers75	sfan5: why/how/what?
12:50	* PenguinDad	slaps CMake
12:50	sfan5	whiskers75: I wanted to change the compiler, but cmake just deleted half of the cross-compiling settings and tried to configure mt
12:51	whiskers75	sfan5: what did you do?
12:51	sfan5	change the value of the vars that store the compiler path
12:51	whiskers75	lol...
12:52	sfan5	I don't think that's funny
12:54	whiskers75	sfan5: :/
12:54	whiskers75	sfan5: I'm not saying it is very funny
12:54	whiskers75	sfan5: I'm saying cmake is screwed up
12:55	* Krock	hates server crashees which happen for no reason
12:55	sfan5	at least better than scons
12:55	sfan5	Krock: tip: don't use windows
12:55	* sfan5	runs
12:55	* Jordach	updates AMD Drivers
12:55	* sfan5	meows at Jordach
12:55	* Krock	learned: Do not feed trolls
12:56	* whiskers75	meows at sfan5
12:56	whiskers75	Krock: why u quit the server
12:56	* sfan5	purrs at whiskers75
12:56	sfan5	Jordach: help me solve this http://0bin.net/paste/fzhRNMwQ0RnoimmJ#c/DGkKc55mwz50dybz0g+fxhTaC7f0yFefFFKrbMoZA=
12:56	Krock	whiskers75, I quitted it already 2 hours ago o.o
12:56	whiskers75	I know
12:57	sfan5	quit*
12:57	Krock	whatever
13:04	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/9QleXsMjPV_v.png :D (dat OpenGL)
13:05	whiskers75	!up capere.whiskers75.co.uk
13:05	MinetestBot	capere.whiskers75.co.uk:30000 is up (244ms)
13:05	Jordach	!tell EvergreenTree :3 https://cdn.mediacru.sh/6Bnx3gEOucdH.png
13:05	MinetestBot	Jordach: I'll pass that on when EvergreenTree is around
13:05	Jordach	pssh
13:05	whiskers75	observium needs a minetest server monitor
13:05	Jordach	!up jordach.minetest.net
13:05	MinetestBot	jordach.minetest.net:30000 is up (361ms)
13:06	whiskers75	nuuu
13:06	sfan5	whiskers75: add one, both programs are open source (assumtion by me [copyrighted, do not steal plz])
13:06	sfan5	assumption*
13:06	sfan5	yay MT finished compiling!
13:06	whiskers75	sfan5: wat?
13:06	sfan5	jhjdhb
13:06	sfan5	frbhhbjbhrhbjrhbj
13:06	sfan5	Ã¤4
13:07	whiskers75	I'm sorry, you what
13:07	sfan5	IT WERKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:07	whiskers75	:D
13:07	whiskers75	can I has now?
13:07	* sfan5	meows acknowingly
13:07	* whiskers75	mews excitedly and paws the mail inbox
13:07	sfan5	need to upload it to dropbox first
13:07	whiskers75	k
13:08	* whiskers75	wonders if it'll actually be playable on his server
13:08	whiskers75	or just FPS = 1
13:08	* PenguinDad	squawks at Jordach
13:08	sfan5	meow
13:08	* whiskers75	meows at PenguinDad
13:08	Jordach	mew
13:08	* PenguinDad	pets whiskers75
13:08	* whiskers75	wonders why PenguinDad left the server
13:09	* whiskers75	purrs and headbutts Jordach (a kitty sign of affection)
13:09	whiskers75	sfan5: how long does it take to upload with your connection? :P
13:10	sfan5	>10 mins remaining
13:10	whiskers75	sfan5: O.o how big is this file?!
13:10	sfan5	25 KB/s upload is left after subtracting torrenting
13:10	sfan5	21MB
13:10	sfan5	lemme try compress
13:10	whiskers75	just pause your torrent
13:10	whiskers75	sfan5: you have a crappy connection
13:11	sfan5	torrents*
13:11	sfan5	ik
13:11	sfan5	my city has fiber but not on the street where I am
13:11	whiskers75	just
13:11	whiskers75	pause
13:11	whiskers75	all the torrents
13:13	whiskers75	sfan5: YAY, I got a bucket of water
13:13	sfan5	water!
13:14	whiskers75	yay cave
13:14	sfan5	still uploading..
13:15	Jordach	whiskers75, get BFD and try to survive the first night ;)
13:15	whiskers75	BFD?
13:16	whiskers75	Jordach: ?
13:17	Jordach	whiskers75, my own game for Minetest
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13:17	sfan5	!g minetest bfd site:forum.minetest.net
13:17	MinetestBot	sfan5: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=156&p=77
13:17	sfan5	<3 MinetestBot
13:17	MinetestBot	<3 sfan5
13:17	whiskers75	any good?
13:17	Jordach	sfan5, wrong topic
13:17	sfan5	wat wat wat
13:17	sfan5	wtf google
13:17	Jordach	!g big freaking dig site:forum.minetest.net
13:17	sfan5	!g bfd game site:forum.minetest.net
13:17	whiskers75	lol
13:17	MinetestBot	Jordach: No results found for 'big freaking dig site:forum.minetest.net'.
13:17	MinetestBot	sfan5: No results found for 'bfd game site:forum.minetest.net'.
13:17	Jordach	:O
13:17	sfan5	uh
13:18	whiskers75	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9036&p=137257&hilit=big+freaking+dig#p137257
13:18	PenguinDad	I personally don't like bfd
13:20	whiskers75	I need a hardcore mobs mod for my serve
13:20	whiskers75	r*
13:20	sfan5	!g creatures mod minetest
13:20	MinetestBot	sfan5: http://minetest.net/mods
13:20	sfan5	wtf google
13:20	PenguinDad	lol
13:21	sfan5	whiskers75: https://github.com/BlockMen/creatures
13:22	whiskers75	sfan5: I'll get rid of the crappy mobs mod
13:22	Krock	any media server out there to use for mah servaar?
13:22	sfan5	ok
13:22	sfan5	Krock: your own, setting up nginx is easy
13:22	whiskers75	media server?
13:22	whiskers75	like mpd?
13:23	Krock	sfan5, I think there are already media servers and maybe it's more useful to use one than for each server 1
13:23	Krock	err complicated worth-coice
13:23	Krock	*choice
13:23	sfan5	whiskers75: server that server minetest media (textures, sounds, etc.) because HTTP is faster
13:24	Krock	*word than this english typo
13:24	sfan5	whiskers75: have you seen musicd?
13:24	whiskers75	mopidy, pls
13:24	* sfan5	meows at whiskers75
13:24	sfan5	1 min upload time remaining
13:24	whiskers75	does that mean :D
13:24	* whiskers75	meows back
13:25	Exio4	sfan5: how much do you know about collision code?
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13:25	sfan5	Exio4: almost nothing
13:26	Exio4	i have a small problem understanding something, speed_f is += accel_f * dtime, why is in newpos speed_f multiplied by dtime?
13:26	Exio4	for PilzAdam ^
13:27	Exio4	around line 210+ of collision.cpp
13:27	whiskers75	sfan5: btw, is there minetest for osx?
13:27	sfan5	yes
13:28	sfan5	whiskers75: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30267315/Minetest/mtandroid.tar.xz
13:28	jin_xi	uhm, coz accel changes speed with time and speed changes pos with time?
13:28	whiskers75	sfan5: :D
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13:28	Exio4	jin_xi: ahm
13:29	whiskers75	sfan5: lol, putat[slash]sdcard
13:30	sfan5	whiskers75: note: /sdcard can mean internal memory even if you have an sdcard
13:30	whiskers75	sfan5: ik
13:30	whiskers75	sfan5: I have had my fair share of modding
13:30	sfan5	whiskers75: do you use CyanodenMod?
13:31	whiskers75	Yes!
13:31	whiskers75	sfan5: :D
13:32	Taoki	Does the current Lua API allow looping a global (non-directional) sound for a specific player only? I'm seeinbg some examples on how to play sounds for individual players, but it doesn't explain if loop works too
13:32	sfan5	Taoki: I think it does
13:32	Taoki	ok
13:32	whiskers75	sfan5: now I have two builds of MT
13:32	Jordach	Taoki, loop afaik does work
13:32	Jordach	see fire
13:32	whiskers75	sfan5: I think yours just insta-crashes
13:33	sfan5	:-(
13:33	sfan5	logcat pls
13:33	whiskers75	fine
13:33	Taoki	Nice
13:33	Taoki	Jordach: Fire plays for everyone though, not just one player
13:33	Jordach	Taoki, my jukebox plays just for one player
13:33	Jordach	but doesn't loop
13:33	Taoki	ok. I imagine loop should work too. Though one can never know
13:34	RealBadAngel	loop = bool: Sound is looped. Only sounds connected to objects can be looped. default = false
13:34	whiskers75	sfan5: IT WORKED
13:34	whiskers75	it worked the 2nd time :D
13:34	sfan5	meow
13:34	whiskers75	oh wiat
13:34	sfan5	but do not click too many buttons or it will crash
13:34	whiskers75	crash
13:34	whiskers75	I spammed a button
13:35	RealBadAngel	http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.sound_play
13:35	whiskers75	sfan5: I can't click on Client
13:35	whiskers75	sfan5: it just crashed
13:35	Jordach	RealBadAngel, fuck the deb wiki
13:35	sfan5	whiskers75: logcat
13:35	Jordach	dev* it never has any useful info for Lua modders
13:35	whiskers75	prrrr
13:35	whiskers75	logcat
13:35	sfan5	whiskers75: rm /sdcard/minetest/client/serverlist/*
13:36	whiskers75	sfan5: http://0bin.net/paste/nXxvnqo4JpV8fvjG#TpvdWnq0AsPl1aKFnOWG/uvnMFcMlB0hA7p3t95wgHY=
13:36	PenguinDad	Jordach: lua_api.txt has the info ;)
13:36	Jordach	PenguinDad, that's even more vaugew
13:36	Jordach	-w
13:36	sfan5	whiskers75: is there something looking like http://0bin.net/paste/fzhRNMwQ0RnoimmJ#c/DGkKc55mwz50dybz0g+fxhTaC7f0yFefFFKrbMoZA= in the logcat?
13:36	whiskers75	sfan5: how to enter text
13:36	sfan5	u can't
13:37	sfan5	do things in minetest.conf
13:37	sfan5	I'm working on thazt
13:37	sfan5	-z
13:37	whiskers75	sfan5: Very Yes
13:37	sfan5	but irrlicht was failing me
13:38	whiskers75	sfan5: that was one crappy build
13:38	whiskers75	sfan5: it can't really render
13:38	sfan5	:-.(
13:38	whiskers75	http://0bin.net/paste/YZZs3KRogOvEJija#0QIih4ANImpGqteroSnBqZgK/6SZYvkV67PtTUWzXPE=
13:38	Exio4	don't you have a hw keyboard?
13:38	sfan5	<sfan5> whiskers75: rm /sdcard/minetest/client/serverlist/*
13:38	sfan5	do that
13:38	whiskers75	sfan5: I did
13:39	whiskers75	sfan5: I can't type in my pw
13:39	whiskers75	sfan5: when using singleplayer, EVERYTHING IS RED
13:39	Exio4	external, with a tweaked usb wire and external batteries :D? so it has 5v
13:39	whiskers75	the blocks are all red dirt
13:39	sfan5	disable shaders
13:39	sfan5	disable shaders
13:39	sfan5	they won't work
13:39	whiskers75	>shaders
13:39	whiskers75	>enabled on android
13:39	sfan5	hm wai
13:39	sfan5	t
13:40	sfan5	libstdc++ is broken
13:40	sfan5	everything is broken
13:40	whiskers75	very crash
13:40	whiskers75	http://0bin.net/paste/7SW2MpUc-HLSnIiO#vD6z3TpcfkhdS3UI6oe6vz5v9/r6ViAKlFbw7sphYVs=
13:40	whiskers75	much fix=
13:42	Exio4	libstdc
13:42	Exio4	libstdc++ broken?
13:42	Exio4	are you using bionic?
13:42	sfan5	android is using that piece of shit
13:43	sfan5	0x00a31fac: libgcc2.c:0
13:43	sfan5	:-/
13:44	* Krock	's 4th crash today :(
13:44	* Jordach	hasn't crashed once
13:44	whiskers75	on computer?
13:45	Exio4	Krock: do you have any logs or ways to reproduce the crash?
13:45	Krock	Exio4, no single error except of those since-10-minutes-coming "no player found for player id=XY"
13:46	Exio4	and how did it crash?
13:46	Exio4	segfault?
13:46	Krock	no idea
13:46	Krock	it threw no error
13:46	Exio4	ok..?
13:46	Krock	and ram, cpu was fine
13:47	Exio4	it just died?
13:47	Exio4	looks like segfault
13:47	Exio4	OS? windows or linux?
13:47	Krock	errors are enough there.. over 1MB for today
13:47	Jordach	Krock, players who download the music from the jukebox take less time :)
13:47	Krock	Jordach, what you mean?
13:48	Jordach	Krock, i've had 0 ping timeouts and those peer errors
13:48	Krock	Exio4, Windows Vista
13:48	Jordach	not even when downloading nearly 8.3mb of stuff
13:48	Exio4	kk
13:48	Jordach	also - lovely big
13:48	Jordach	bug*
13:48	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/aroEeFWU35B6.png
13:48	Krock	Jordach, you need 15 players online or more then they slowly come
13:49	Krock	shooter pointing at your head
13:49	Krock	:3
13:50	Jordach	and i know how to properly selfie in Minetest
13:50	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/bc_qPPI8xPCQ.png
13:50	whiskers75	Jordach: how
13:51	Jordach	F7 twice
13:51	Jordach	put the camera up against a wall, hold lmb, then F12
13:51	Jordach	(or alt + print screen)
13:51	Krock	very nice
13:53	crazyR	is it posible to convert a map/world to work minetest_next. its currently on minetest_game
13:54	RealBadAngel	huh, i just noticed that snow lying on leaves should also wave
13:54	PenguinDad	crazyR: change gameid = minetest_game to gameid = minetest_next
13:55	whiskers75	sfan5: how're you getting on?
13:55	crazyR	would it damage the map?
13:55	PenguinDad	in world.mt
13:56	sfan5	whiskers75: I'm thinking about rebuilding the whole toolchain
13:56	sfan5	crazyR: no
13:56	whiskers75	oh god, toolchains
13:56	sfan5	sigh
13:56	crazyR	wohoo
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14:01	* Krock	tabs asie\|tab
14:01	* asie\|tab	krocks Krock
14:01	* sfan5	taps Krock
14:02	asie\|tab	when i am home i plan to add colorful insulated cables to my mesecons addons
14:02	Krock	:)
14:05	crazyR	asie\|tab: whats your mesecons addon?
14:09	Taoki	Hmm... am I understanding this right? The API says that minetest.sound_play will automatically choose random sounds if you specify "file", and the folder contains "file.0.ogg, fie.1.ogg, etc". Is this correct?
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14:10	asie\|tab	crazyR: so far it consists of a custom fork of mesecons which removes and tweaks things i dislike in it, and mesecons-wirium which will be refactored into an API for easily adding new gate types
14:12	asie\|tab	i am working on adding gates which work like redpower2's, that is sides can be blocked with a screwdriver or something
14:18	RealBadAngel	or sonic one, dont forget bout it
14:18	PilzAdam	Hello everyone!
14:19	RealBadAngel	hi PA
14:19	PilzAdam	Exio4, speed is nodes/s; speed * time (in seconds) is distance in nodes
14:19	PilzAdam	thats 5th grade physics
14:19	Exio4	i realized
14:20	Exio4	my physics skillz are like, negative
14:20	Exio4	real 15m19.222s
14:20	Exio4	compiling minetest is a netbook :D
14:20	Taoki	hi
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14:21	RealBadAngel	Taoki, yes, if you support many files the one played will be chosen randomly
14:23	Taoki	Awesome! Seems to work too
14:25	RealBadAngel	the method works for any sounds
14:25	RealBadAngel	even main menu music files
14:29	* RealBadAngel	wonder who broke camera matrices with that offset thingy
14:30	RealBadAngel	and fucked up waypoints
14:30	Exio4	nore?
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14:30	nore	yes?
14:31	Exio4	i guess you're that added the offset thingy? :P
14:31	nore	yes, you're right
14:32	nore	fixing the bug is a one-line patch, but I don't know the waypoint code enough
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14:36	Jordach	and just walked into a easter egg in Harmor VSTi
14:36	whiskers75	sfan5: update pls
14:40	sfan5	whiskers75: I just finished my school work for tomorrow
14:40	whiskers75	any progress with MT?
14:40	sfan5	no
14:40	sfan5	but I thought of something to tweet
14:41	Jordach	sfan5, there's an automated sequence that plays Nyan Cat automatically in Harmor
14:42	sfan5	!tw https://twitter.com/sfan55/status/462965419180306432
14:42	MinetestBot	What is Android development? Android development is debugging for 3 hours why the stdc++ library crashes in the destructor of std::fstream. (@sfan55)
14:42	sfan5	^ whiskers75
14:42	whiskers75	lol
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14:43	sfan5	the sad thing is: I'm right
14:43	asie\|tab	RealBadAngel: i am not aiming for a direct clone of redpower2
14:44	asie\|tab	i am adding things i find particularly lacking, and minetest's gate system is a tad poor
14:45	nore	asie\|tab, I saw "Modular Computing - a failed attempt at a computer mod" on your website... you may be interested by https://github.com/Novatux/forth_computer
14:45	asie\|tab	nore: i have seen it
14:45	nore	oh, good... what do you think of it?
14:45	asie\|tab	nore: not bad!
14:46	asie\|tab	but my concept is a bit more modular
14:46	asie\|tab	one, a mod that adds a chassis and lets you define custom cpus, peripherals, etc
14:46	asie\|tab	two, mods which add them according to the wishes of the dev under a common interface
14:46	asie\|tab	so everything is crosscompatible but modular!
14:46	nore	well, thanks... right now, the only way to do modular things would be to add a lot of CPUs on the same digiline network
14:47	asie\|tab	i dont really think digilines are perfect for this
14:47	nore	but that would mean writing a library to handle that
14:47	asie\|tab	digilines are great for communication, not peripheral interfacing
14:47	nore	well, digilines have their benefits and their drawbacks...
14:47	asie\|tab	though it depends on the kind of interfacing
14:48	asie\|tab	i love memory-mapped ios, but that would only work for an emulated cpu architecture, and doing one in lua(jit) is a poor idea
14:48	nore	they are what I used for IO with disk drives...
14:48	nore	actually, the computer is already an emulated CPU... running a forth system I wrote from scratch (took me a while...)
14:48	asie\|tab	yeah
14:49	asie\|tab	it is neat but i would design some parts of it differently
14:49	nore	such as?
14:49	Exio4	make lisp machines
14:49	asie\|tab	not everyone likes or wants forth... RBA wants a Z80, for instance; therefore, the cpu/architecture should be modular
14:49	Exio4	:D
14:50	nore	Exio4, I once thought about it... but compiling lisp is a not-so-easy thing to do
14:50	asie\|tab	peripherals should be on a special bus type for fast communication - that would also give them more power than digilines
14:50	asie\|tab	although digilines should stay as a comms method
14:50	sfan5	we should add z80 emulation to minetest
14:50	sfan5	or wait
14:50	asie\|tab	afk
14:50	sfan5	we should extend the z80 instruction set for 32bit and then add emulation for that to mt
14:51	Exio4	what the fuck sfan5?
14:51	sfan5	meow
14:51	nore	and then I'll have to re-code my forth system :( ...
14:52	sfan5	Exio4: this is what kittens do all day
14:52	nore	well, there are only about 100 assembly-coded words... but address mapping will have to be changed too... anyway, why Z80 and not something else?
14:53	sfan5	because nostalgic
14:53	Exio4	i'd say because it would be fkng easy
14:53	reactor	better PDP-11 then
14:53	Exio4	compared to any other char
14:53	reactor	z80 is not even a real computer
14:53	Exio4	arch *
14:53	reactor	Neither is 8086
14:53	* sfan5	meows at reactor
14:53	* reactor	barks at sfan5
14:53	PenguinDad	is z80 Riscy?
14:54	reactor	z80 is Crappy
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14:54	reactor	look at its assembly
14:54	* sfan5	purrs at asie\|tab
14:54	sfan5	how about armv7m
14:55	Exio4	embed qemu and have all its supported archs in MT!
14:55	sfan5	no really
14:55	sfan5	ARMv7M is good
14:55	sfan5	lol https://github.com/asciimoo/drawille
14:55	nore	how about quantum computers?
14:55	RealBadAngel	http://libz80.sourceforge.net/
14:56	sfan5	RealBadAngel: did you consider ARMv7m?
14:56	RealBadAngel	no, i wanted something old school
14:56	PenguinDad	sfan5: with or without NEON?
14:56	sfan5	w/o
14:56	RealBadAngel	as opposite to 6502 being used in minecraft
14:56	sfan5	does armv7m even have neon?
14:57	RealBadAngel	not to mention i was z80 demoscene coder
14:57	RealBadAngel	also z80 is capable of running CP/M
14:57	RealBadAngel	which would mean tons of ready applications to use in it
14:57	Exio4	demoscene?
14:57	RealBadAngel	ZX Spectrum / Sam Coupe
14:58	sfan5	PenguinDad: >ARMv7-M does not currently support floating point instructions. This column can be ignored.
14:58	sfan5	from official spec
14:59	Taoki	Can on_punch be registered for players?
14:59	Taoki	Or just Lua entities
14:59	sfan5	CP/M runs on AVRs too http://spritesmods.com/?art=avrcpm
14:59	sapier	entities only
14:59	RealBadAngel	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2oLYC5PigE
14:59	RealBadAngel	or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnhM2w3CGkA
14:59	Taoki	ok
14:59	sapier	you can't register a player taoki so how do youwant to do a on_punch? ;-)
15:00	sfan5	!title
15:00	MinetestBot	sfan5: Sam CoupÃ© demo lyra3nextbit - YouTube
15:00	sapier	but you can try to set it in on_join
15:00	whiskers75	!up capere.whiskers75.co.uk
15:00	MinetestBot	capere.whiskers75.co.uk:30000 is up (228ms)
15:00	RealBadAngel	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noKH_RXHrVI <--- game made by me
15:00	Taoki	sapier: Yeah. I was thinking of player objects as being the same as entity objects
15:00	sapier	worth a try
15:00	Taoki	But I guess that's incorrect
15:00	sapier	partial
15:00	whiskers75	sapier: is your android apk done?
15:00	sapier	once I fixed all the new issues caused by new irrlicht code
15:00	Taoki	sapier: Any other way if triggering code when a player has damaged another player or a mob? It's what I need it for
15:00	Taoki	**of
15:01	Taoki	And possibly know the player that did the damage and the victim who was hit
15:01	sapier	for mobs it's no problem but I don't know about another player (at least by now), my statbar fix would add an event caused on player health change
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15:04	zsoltisawesome_	Calinou: anything new in Carbone?
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15:05	zsoltisawesome_	restcoser!
15:07	Calinou	hi
15:07	Calinou	zsoltisawesome_, see the log: https://github.com/Calinou/carbone/commits
15:07	zsoltisawesome_	thanks
15:07	whiskers75	CALINOU
15:07	whiskers75	Calinou: why can't you get diamonds in carbone?
15:07	* Calinou	presses whiskers75's caps lock key
15:08	Calinou	you can't?
15:08	whiskers75	Calinou: also, how the heck do you make steps in carbone?
15:08	whiskers75	Calinou: YOU REDEFINED THE DIAMOND ORE TO DROP GOLD
15:08	Calinou	oh, yes, diamond drop is broken; gonna fix it
15:08	Calinou	hold your ponies^Whorses :p
15:09	whiskers75	Calinou: how2steps
15:09	Calinou	fixed
15:09	whiskers75	Calinou: how to make steps?
15:09	Calinou	for steps, one minute; I have a few ideas about recipes
15:09	Calinou	can't you make them like in the default game?
15:10	whiskers75	Calinou: no!
15:11	Calinou	oh, you can use Circular Saw
15:11	Calinou	_ O _
15:11	Calinou	X X X
15:11	Calinou	X _ X
15:11	Calinou	X is tree, O is steel ingot
15:11	whiskers75	for steps?
15:11	Calinou	(I may change that to wood instead of tree, makes more sense)
15:11	Calinou	this makes a circular saw
15:11	Calinou	allows you to create all Stairs+ nodes
15:11	whiskers75	ah
15:11	* whiskers75	logs in
15:11	Calinou	it's locked, so if you put something in, other players can't take stuff
15:12	whiskers75	Calinou: we're using carbone on capere.whiskers75.co.uk
15:12	Calinou	nice
15:12	Calinou	good to see a server using it
15:12	Calinou	I'm reimplementing some recipes to allow some Stairs+ crafts without circular saw
15:12	Calinou	most notably, panels
15:12	Calinou	(got a recipe idea for it)
15:12	whiskers75	me and sfan5 built a pretty epic base :D
15:13	Calinou	how many coins do you have? :p
15:13	MinetestBot	Calinou: 04-23 08:24 UTC <sfan5> <OldCoder> And poke Calinou and tell him his world ought to be saved too
15:13	sfan5	uhh MinetestBot?
15:13	MinetestBot	sfan5: 04-25 21:14 UTC <john_minetest> hey
15:13	sfan5	damnit
15:13	Calinou	hi sfan5
15:13	MinetestBot	Calinou: 05-04 10:29 UTC <sfan5> why won't diamonds in carbone drop diamonds?
15:13	whiskers75	Calinou: 280
15:13	sfan5	hi Calinou
15:13	Calinou	sfan5, fixed drops
15:13	MinetestBot	Calinou: 05-04 10:31 UTC <whiskers75> how the heck do you make stairs in Carbone?
15:14	whiskers75	._.
15:14	sfan5	good
15:14	Calinou	sorry for the inconvenient
15:14	MinetestBot	Calinou: 05-04 10:36 UTC <sfan5> how do you get diamonds in carbone?
15:14	whiskers75	sfan5: I figured it out
15:14	whiskers75	you need to make a circular saw
15:14	Calinou	MinetestBot is derpy hooves
15:14	sfan5	yeah, saw it too
15:14	Calinou	I'll implement some saw-less recipes
15:14	zsoltisawesome_	Calinou: +1
15:14	* sfan5	throws a kitten at MinetestBot
15:14	reactor	demolition derby
15:14	Calinou	stairs/slabs and panels
15:14	whiskers75	Calinou: make rats spawn less
15:14	zsoltisawesome_	Moontest FTW!
15:15	Calinou	having quite a lot of rats creates a lively world, but I'll slightly reduce their spawns, OK
15:15	Calinou	tip: they follow you when you hold scorched stuff
15:15	Calinou	(obtained by smelting a cooked rat)
15:17	whiskers75	ah
15:17	Calinou	zsoltisawesome_, 100% approved by Princess Luna.
15:17	PenguinDad	TIL berlin is a ghost town
15:18	zsoltisawesome_	Calinou: lol
15:19	whiskers75	Calinou: join our server! \o/
15:19	Calinou	later :p
15:21	reactor	zsoltisawesome_: is it about space exploration?
15:21	whiskers75	TIL sfan5 is very good at building in minetest
15:23	sfan5	I'm a kitten
15:23	sfan5	kittens are always good at building
15:23	* sfan5	meows at PenguinDad
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15:24	whiskers75	:o
15:24	* whiskers75	is a big cat
15:24	* PenguinDad	squawks at sfan5
15:24	* Calinou	is a nyancat
15:24	* Jordach	has a VSTi that has a Nyan Cat sequence
15:24	MinetestBot	Jordach: 04-27 12:21 UTC <KikaRz> 3/2/1 test
15:24	GuacheSuede	Hello
15:24	* sfan5	nyans at Calinou
15:24	Jordach	fuck sakes MinetestBot
15:24	MinetestBot	Jordach: 05-01 09:59 UTC <sfan5> https://cdn.mediacru.sh/uenwSrW9V0aj.png
15:24	Jordach	wtf
15:24	MinetestBot	Jordach: 05-03 06:26 UTC <sfan5> >not using mediacru.sh for audio files pls
15:25	* Jordach	cries a little
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15:25	Jordach	\o/ shit
15:26	Jordach	>10 mins track at 56kbps >weighs in at 4mb
15:27	sfan5	MinetestBot: quit
15:28	Jordach	~tell * next person to say something gets this message
15:28	ShadowBot	Jordach: O.K.
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15:28	sfan5	meow
15:29	zsoltisawesome_	ShadowNinja: what is Limnoria?
15:29	sfan5	zsoltisawesome_: what is google?
15:29	zsoltisawesome_	sfan5: what is startpage
15:29	zsoltisawesome_	?
15:29	* sfan5	meows at john_minetest
15:30	* john_minetest	gives sfan5 a <'(((((-<
15:31	* sfan5	noms it
15:31	* zsoltisawesome_	gives sfan5 a <'((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((-<
15:31	* sfan5	throws it into /dev/null
15:31	whiskers75	lol
15:31	PenguinDad	!tell zsoltisawesome_ fishy
15:31	Krock	fishy? that's a whale
15:31	whiskers75	sfan5: I quit minetest, it's slowly devouring this crappy laptop :3
15:32	zsoltisawesome_	lol
15:32	sfan5	whiskers75: buy a new one :3
15:32	zsoltisawesome_	!tell PenguinDad MinetestBot isn't here...
15:32	whiskers75	sfan5: >implies money
15:32	sfan5	or build a PC yourself
15:32	sfan5	it's not that expensive when you do it yourself
15:32	whiskers75	zsoltisawesome_: Limnoria is an IRC bot.
15:33	zsoltisawesome_	really?
15:33	sfan5	someone find the bug here: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/tell.py
15:33	zsoltisawesome_	:O
15:33	zsoltisawesome_	searching
15:34	whiskers75	pls
15:34	whiskers75	build bots in js
15:35	zsoltisawesome_	sfan5: i found your problem
15:35	Calinou	<sfan5> it's not that expensive when you do it yourself
15:35	zsoltisawesome_	you are using SQL :P
15:35	Calinou	for low end, it's more expensive
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15:35	sfan5	Calinou: no
15:35	Calinou	_but_ it gives you balanced builds: no crappy graphic cards, mainboards or cases
15:36	sfan5	zsoltisawesome_: that is not a problem
15:36	zsoltisawesome_	just teasing
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15:38	sfan5	<3 MinetestBot
15:38	MinetestBot	<3 sfan5
15:39	whiskers75	</3 MinetestBot
15:39	Jordach	/kick whiskers75
15:39	whiskers75	I have a feeling Jordach hates my guts
15:39	whiskers75	and that of ^w, too
15:39	Calinou	â™¥ here's a nice heart
15:39	Jordach	whiskers75, never tease MinetestBot
15:39	PenguinDad	E> MinetestBot
15:39	whiskers75	:< MinetestBot
15:40	PenguinDad	â™¥ ShadowBot
15:40	ShadowBot	04â™¥ PenguinDad.
15:41	whiskers75	â™¥ sfan5
15:41	whiskers75	â™¥ PenguinDad
15:41	whiskers75	â™¥ Calinou
15:42	sfan5	â™¥ whiskers75
15:42	whiskers75	â™¥ minetest
15:42	whiskers75	â™¥ Cerise
15:42	whiskers75	â™¥ celeron55*
15:42	zsoltisawesome_	sfan5: i know its something in lines 67-79
15:42	MinetestBot	â™¥ whiskers75
15:42	* whiskers75	things
15:42	whiskers75	k*
15:42	whiskers75	â™¥ MinetestBot, too
15:43	zsoltisawesome_	horray for unicode hearts!
15:43	zsoltisawesome_	â™¥
15:43	zsoltisawesome_	#moontest
15:44	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Uw8PIEPVel44.png :3
15:44	Calinou	ugh, TinyURL
15:44	Calinou	lol Jordach
15:44	whiskers75	â¯ hug sfan5
15:44	whiskers75	/away
15:44	Calinou	your texture is misaligned
15:45	Calinou	fix it, it's really ugly
15:45	zsoltisawesome_	PenguinDad: what is that command for kicking zsoltisawesome out?
15:45	whiskers75	zsoltisawesome_: /ns ghost zsoltisawesome
15:45	zsoltisawesome_	not that one
15:45	whiskers75	/ns release?
15:45	zsoltisawesome_	idk
15:45	whiskers75	away
15:45	PenguinDad	zsoltisawesome_: /msg NickServ regain zsoltisawesome
15:45	zsoltisawesome_	thx
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15:47	Calinou	I got stuck in Lua code, due to missing comma :'(
15:47	Calinou	I'd like an editor which detects missing commas
15:48	Jordach	Calinou, the "," in Lua, world champion at hide and seek
15:48	zsoltisawesome	make NPP warn you
15:50	Jordach	In Soviet Russia, GCC gives friendly user errors
15:51	Jordach	fun bug: stand on top of a sheep in simple mobs and hear that grass sound
15:51	reactor	user-friendly?
15:52	reactor	you're welcome to write a better compiler
15:52	reactor	also, look at clang
15:52	sfan5	clang!
15:52	reactor	less optimisations, no FORTRAN support
15:52	reactor	oh yeah.
15:52	reactor	did you know scientifical programs do rely on FORTRAN, heavily?
15:52	reactor	And no, Python or Java won't do for big big big matrices.
15:54	harrison	how big?
15:54	harrison	really really big?
15:55	sfan5	C is fastest for number crunching
15:55	Jordach	I C what you did there :)]
15:55	reactor	harrison: Ð©really bigÐ©, yes.
15:56	reactor	what is good about FORTRAN, it has built-in vector operations.
15:56	sapier	if you do it wrong any language is bad
15:56	reactor	So that you don't need to bother about copying elements in a loop.
15:56	Calinou	whiskers75, sfan5: git pull ;)
15:56	Calinou	lots of new stuff
15:56	markveidemanis	sfan5: what's the worst programming you have ever seen?
15:56	Calinou	<zsoltisawesome> make NPP warn you
15:56	Calinou	I use Geany
15:57	Calinou	and NPP if I'm on Window
15:57	sfan5	markveidemanis: javascript
15:57	markveidemanis	...
15:57	* sfan5	imagines Calinou standing on a Window
15:57	markveidemanis	I mean program-specific
15:57	reactor	javascript is breaking the web
15:57	markveidemanis	Example: Python-Phenny
15:57	sfan5	program-specific?
15:57	reactor	whoever thinks it's good idea, can throw a stone at me.
15:58	sfan5	ah
15:58	sfan5	markveidemanis: openssl
15:58	Calinou	markveidemanis, read Sauerbraten or Red Eclipse code and see
15:58	Calinou	(despite it being efficient, it's poorly coded)
15:59	Jordach	I use NPP: simply because of portable support and other magic like features
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15:59	Jordach	and my sound driver appears to have crashed
15:59	harrison	Oberon is as efficient as C
16:00	harrison	In every other way, it is better than C
16:00	reactor	good luck writing a compiler that optimises it as well as C
16:01	reactor	while for C, you already have have established system
16:03	harrison	so it would be easier, fo instance, to code a realtime voxel raytracer in C than in Oberon?
16:04	harrison	^... for ...
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16:04	harrison	have you done that ?
16:05	Krock	wth? 510 players? sounds like gulest-bomb
16:05	Calinou	sfan5, whiskers75, I made rats a bit rarer as requested
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16:05	sfan5	thanks
16:05	Calinou	they'll sometimes spawn in groups if you move (see the console): this is somehow a bug, but it's actually nice
16:05	Krock	514/515 444/514
16:05	Calinou	this happens mostly in newly generated areas
16:06	Calinou	a side effect is that they're well-populated immediatly
16:06	Calinou	hostile mobs start spawning from -15 instead of -10, too
16:06	Calinou	so you're a bit safer at higher altitudes
16:07	Calinou	hmm, there could be even less rats
16:08	sapier	http://animalsmod.comuf.com/downloads/Minetest-debug.apk minimal android minetest port
16:08	sapier	it's based on current master
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16:08	Calinou	nice
16:09	sfan5	sapier: what compile do you use?
16:09	sfan5	compiler*
16:09	Jordach	there we go :)
16:09	sapier	official ndk r9c
16:09	sfan5	:-/
16:09	sapier	what do you use?
16:09	sfan5	same
16:10	sapier	what's happening for you?
16:11	sfan5	but gcc segfaults when compiling game.cpp with debug flags (I worked around this by using clang) & it crashes in the destructor of std::fstream
16:11	sfan5	^ sapier
16:11	sapier	I guess you've got a major bug somewhere else
16:11	sfan5	yeah, sure
16:12	sfan5	tell me where
16:12	sfan5	I have the same code like you
16:12	sfan5	s/like you/you use/
16:12	sapier	are you sure? ;-)
16:12	sfan5	yes
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16:19	Calinou	nice, boats allow you to see yourself in third person from all angles
16:21	Calinou	I made a self-controlling boat :> there's a bug
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16:37	Krock	5th crash...
16:38	sapier	Krock can you provide crashlogs?
16:38	Krock	sapier, i can provide 2 MB of "no player found for id=xy" but no error for the crash
16:38	reactor	backtraces would be better
16:39	reactor	</captain>
16:39	sapier	what version are you using?
16:40	Krock	sapier, -dev20140425 and I can't upgrade
16:40	Krock	blockmen's build
16:40	sapier	why not?
16:40	PenguinDad	why Krock?
16:40	sapier	windowsÃŸ
16:40	PenguinDad	+ not
16:41	Krock	PenguinDad, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1523&p=140514#p140282 wait..haven't tested the new build
16:41	Krock	but it seems to have no bigfix for my problem in th changelog
16:42	PenguinDad	you should try it anyways
16:43	Krock	john_minetest, all I can read are the numbers :3
16:44	Krock	and this: Internet TLD
16:44	Krock	wow I'm very good
16:44	Krock	I can read that
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16:45	Krock	(and not that thing in the USA)
16:46	Jordach	hey blaise
16:46	Jordach	BlockMen, *
16:46	BlockMen	hi Jordach
16:46	* Krock	waves at BlockMen
16:48	* BlockMen	waves back
16:49	Jordach	BlockMen, not a single crash under x64 with your builds
16:49	Jordach	only times i crashed was when i fucked up with the Lua
16:50	BlockMen	Jordach, then was the the day i spent to get everything running not lost ;)
16:53	blaise	Hi Jordach! :D
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16:54	Jordach	hello
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17:00	Jordach	i'm stating to suffer from this http://xkcd.com/1296/
17:00	Jordach	(https://cdn.mediacru.sh/geZVVsKJoa8u.png)
17:05	Krock	Jordach: +1
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17:06	Krock	john_minetest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(U.S._state) \|\| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)
17:07	markveidemanis	http://marktest.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/IMG_1447.jpg Magpie or Seagull?
17:07	markveidemanis	I honestly have no idea
17:07	Calinou	added carts and boats to Carbone
17:07	Krock	yay!
17:07	Jordach	that's a fecking seagull
17:07	* Krock	waits for trains
17:07	markveidemanis	Wat about this: http://marktest.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/IMG_1458.jpg
17:08	Krock	UFO
17:08	Krock	^- markveidemanis
17:08	markveidemanis	me finishes adding captions
17:08	markveidemanis	crap
17:09	* markveidemanis	finishes adding captions
17:09	markveidemanis	also gets a bit enbarrased
17:10	markveidemanis	http://wp.me/p3XI3p-Dq
17:10	markveidemanis	!title
17:10	MinetestBot	markveidemanis: ProMedia – Seaside \| Mark Test
17:10	reactor	markveidemanis: elegant!
17:10	Calinou	whiskers75, do you use remote_media?
17:10	markveidemanis	&#8211 ?
17:10	Calinou	yay for crappy entry sound
17:11	markveidemanis	holy crap it says that
17:11	markveidemanis	<title>ProMedia – Seaside \| Mark Test</title>
17:11	Calinou	sheeps galore, lol
17:12	markveidemanis	reactor, Why thank you!
17:12	PilzAdam	!kick markveidemanis don't spam
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17:14	asie	okay, i have no energy to code anymore today
17:14	asie	tomorrow i want to accomplish two things: 1) port over lamps from RedLogic and 2) make gates have toggleable input sides
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17:19	Exio4	Calinou: the problem with chat, what keymap and so?
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17:23	Calinou	French - alternate
17:24	Exio4	azerty?
17:24	Calinou	yes
17:24	Exio4	so, more azerty problems! :P
17:24	Krock	wut'
17:24	Krock	qwertz
17:25	Calinou	Exio4, it's still a bug
17:25	Exio4	yeah
17:31	crazyR	guys what does a position string look like
17:31	Exio4	position string?
17:31	Krock	code?
17:31	crazyR	not table
17:31	crazyR	pos
17:31	crazyR	co-ordinates
17:31	Krock	"x,y,z"
17:32	crazyR	tanks
17:32	crazyR	thanks
17:32	Krock	depends what you need it for
17:32	Krock	you also can use "x\|y\|z"
17:32	whiskers75	Calinou: no, I do not
17:32	crazyR	minetest.string_to_pos() <-- needs to be convertable via that
17:33	Krock	crazyR, (X, Y, Z)
17:34	crazyR	so minetest.string_to_pos("(X, Y, Z)") or so minetest.string_to_pos("X, Y, Z") ?
17:36	Krock	the 2nd
17:36	crazyR	thanks
17:36	Krock	as static spawn config in minetest.conf
17:37	whiskers75	!tell Calinou pls
17:37	MinetestBot	whiskers75: yeah, sure, whatever
17:37	whiskers75	sfan5: meow
17:37	Krock	whiskers75:woof
17:38	whiskers75	D:
17:38	whiskers75	sfan5: MEOW
17:39	markveidemanis	Can anyone '$talk" with me?
17:40	PenguinDad	much silence, very unloud, wow D:
17:40	Krock	lol
17:40	markveidemanis	"talk mark31.48.192.6"
17:40	PenguinDad	markveidemanis: I don't want to stalk you :P
17:40	markveidemanis	:(
17:41	* asie	$talks markveidemanis all the way to his house
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17:43	reactor	Okay, this is depressing.
17:43	reactor	All login attempts for today were with wrong passwords.
17:44	Krock	bug?
17:44	Krock	reactor, how's the server called anyway?
17:44	reactor	Ghost Town
17:45	asie	...
17:45	Krock	ah
17:45	PenguinDad	"Time to load ascii X file: 0ms Loaded mesh: mobs_rat.x" how can I silence this?
17:45	asie	reactor: the name makes it funnier than it seems
17:45	reactor	May be a bug, not sure.
17:45	reactor	asie: you're welcome to suggest a new one
17:45	* Krock	added a crazy crafting recipe to carft lava with laba vuckets
17:45	asie	reactor: Toast Town
17:45	Krock	-^
17:46	reactor	Well, I'll need to invent a toaster there.
17:46	Krock	good idea
17:49	reactor	Or... counting the server runs on a toaster, no need for that.
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17:52	Krock	reactor, ever tried to run MTserver on a mircowave?
17:53	reactor	Macrowave only.
17:53	reactor	Didn't work. It cooked.
17:54	* sfan5	meows at whiskers75
17:54	* whiskers75	purrs and headbutts sfan5 (a kitty sign of affection)
17:55	* whiskers75	slaps sfan5 around a bit with a kitten!
17:55	* sfan5	throws a kitten at whiskers75
17:55	* whiskers75	slaps sfan5 around a bit with a PenguinDad!
17:55	PenguinDad	ouch
17:55	* sfan5	curls up to sfan5's lap
17:55	sfan5	uhh
17:55	* sfan5	curls up to whiskers75's lap
17:56	* whiskers75	hugs PenguinDad
17:56	reactor	Tried a grenade?
17:56	* whiskers75	protects against reactor's grenade with a PenguinDad
17:57	* PenguinDad	uses penguin powers against the grenade
17:57	reactor	Well, congratulations. Because the one you were speaking of doesn't exist.
17:57	reactor	I don't have any.
17:59	sfan5	whiskers75: MEOW
18:00	* whiskers75	purrs
18:00	* sfan5	purrs at whiskers75
18:01	whiskers75	sfan5: why do we not call PilzAdam 'Pilz'?
18:01	sfan5	because he will then start to malfunction
18:03	whiskers75	really?
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18:06	reactor	20 minutes 8 hours
18:06	* whiskers75	hugs sfan5
18:06	reactor	And probably.
18:07	Jordach	Pilz! Pilz! i've got a mod for you
18:08	Krock	Pilz! Pilz! I like your airsword
18:08	PilzAdam	!kick Krock Jordach
18:08		Krock was kicked by MinetestBot: Jordach
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18:08	whiskers75	Pilz! Pilz! Hi!
18:08	reactor	Ignore axe.
18:09	PilzAdam	!kick Jordach Krock
18:09		Jordach was kicked by MinetestBot: Krock
18:09	Krock	....
18:09	reactor	Vaccuum hoe.
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18:09	Krock	I'm sooo sorry
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18:09	whiskers75	I have a feeling
18:09	whiskers75	that was a Very Bad Idea (tm)
18:09	Krock	me2
18:09	Jordach	that tonight's going to be a good night?
18:09	* whiskers75	slaps Jordach around a bit with a album!
18:10	whiskers75	Pilz, don't kill me when I'm afk
18:10	* whiskers75	goes afk
18:10		MinetestBot joined #minetest
18:10	Krock	LOL
18:10	PilzAdam	!kick whiskers75
18:10		whiskers75 was kicked by MinetestBot: whiskers75
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18:10	whiskers75	but
18:10	whiskers75	but afk
18:10	whiskers75	why not?
18:10	PilzAdam	oh, lets play autojoin kickball!
18:10	PilzAdam	!kick whiskers75
18:10		whiskers75 was kicked by MinetestBot: whiskers75
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18:10	PilzAdam	!kick whiskers75
18:10		whiskers75 was kicked by MinetestBot: whiskers75
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18:10	PilzAdam	!kick whiskers75
18:10		whiskers75 was kicked by MinetestBot: whiskers75
18:10	PilzAdam	!kick whiskers75
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18:10	whiskers75	NO
18:10	whiskers75	JUST
18:10	whiskers75	NO
18:10	whiskers75	NO
18:10	Krock	kick john_minetest, he called you P!lz
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18:10	whiskers75	BAD PILZ
18:10	whiskers75	NO
18:10	Krock	<Krock>kick john_minetest, he called you P!lz
18:10	whiskers75	BAD PILZADAM
18:10	whiskers75	NO
18:11	* whiskers75	afk for real
18:11	PilzAdam	!op john_minetest
18:11	Calinou	added Awards and Chat Plus to Carbone
18:11	* afk	whiskers75
18:11	Calinou	(more awards than in the vanilla one)
18:12	Calinou	chat_log.txt in world directory logs all chat now, in addition to debug.txt
18:12	Calinou	nicer way to see chat log for the server owner
18:13	PenguinDad	PilzAdam: if you call PilzAdam "Pilz" he turns into "Atompilz" ;)
18:13	Krock	XD
18:13	Krock	+1
18:14	Calinou	whiskers75, git pull and tyr? :p
18:14	Calinou	try*
18:14	Calinou	I GTG now, bye
18:14	Krock	bai
18:16	* PenguinDad	is now in detached state
18:17	Exio4	49%
18:17	Calinou	I failed my latest commit message
18:17	Calinou	:x
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18:35	whiskers75	Pilz!
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18:36	Fusl	20:36:15 +whiskers75 \| Fusl: go into #minetest and yell "Pilz!" huehuehuehuehuehue
18:36	Fusl	Pilz!
18:36	whiskers75	>_>
18:36	whiskers75	<_<
18:36	Fusl	> nothing happens
18:36	whiskers75	>_>
18:36	whiskers75	<_<
18:36	Fusl	:D
18:37	* whiskers75	runs
18:37	Fusl	xD
18:37	whiskers75	Fusl: you have awakened the ghost of PilzAdam, who does not like to be called 'Pilz'
18:37	Fusl	Pilz!
18:37	whiskers75	hm
18:37	whiskers75	he seems to be afk
18:37	Fusl	Pilz! // PilzAdam
18:37	whiskers75	!tell PilzAdam Pilz!
18:37	MinetestBot	whiskers75: I'll pass that on when PilzAdam is around
18:37	reactor	Ha.
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18:37	Fusl	does he bash or node.js?
18:38	whiskers75	he c++
18:38	Fusl	so // is the right way to comment?
18:38	whiskers75	Pilz! /* PilzAdam */
18:38	Fusl	yay
18:38	Fusl	but
18:38	whiskers75	!tell Calinou OK, I'll git pull and tyr
18:38	MinetestBot	whiskers75: yeah, sure, whatever
18:38	reactor	/Ñ‰ Ñ‰/
18:39	whiskers75	Fusl: now get minetest
18:39	* Fusl	still does not get what other difference then "it's free!" between minecraft and minetest are
18:39	whiskers75	Fusl: It's C!
18:40	whiskers75	Fusl: It's fast!
18:40	Fusl	yea sure
18:40	Fusl	but
18:40	whiskers75	Fusl: It's moddable!
18:40	Fusl	why not port the current minecraft protocol to something in c instead of writing something from scratch?
18:40	whiskers75	because
18:40	Fusl	that would be the best thing ever
18:40	whiskers75	it's not free
18:40	Fusl	but you can make servers accept "Play offline" connections
18:41	Fusl	and then make clients have to log in
18:41	whiskers75	OH GOD
18:41	whiskers75	I JUST CHANGED MODS
18:41	whiskers75	AND THEN
18:41	whiskers75	ALL THE SHEEP BECAME UNKNOWN OBJECTS
18:41	whiskers75	AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
18:41	reactor	whiskers75: that should be expected.
18:41	Fusl	the project is just useless in my eyes and so continues the idea to complete my node.js minecraft server
18:41	whiskers75	I know
18:42	whiskers75	Fusl: make a node.js minetest server
18:42	Fusl	no
18:42	Fusl	it wouldn't be compatible with existing minecraft clients
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18:42	whiskers75	Fusl: make a minetest server that is also compatible with minecraft
18:42	Fusl	write a node.js minecraft server and also minecraft clients in c(++)
18:43	Fusl	then just give everyone the minecraft clients who want them and who don't want them just tell them to not blame the performance
18:43	Fusl	whiskers75: fk u
18:43	whiskers75	that's very nice
18:43	afk	Fusl: pls m8
18:43	whiskers75	afk == skasturi, right?
18:43	reactor	whiskers75: Minetest is not Minecraft.
18:43	whiskers75	reactor: I know
18:43	reactor	They are independent projects.
18:43	reactor	So, what is your requirement?
18:43	whiskers75	I don't require anything
18:43	Fusl	reactor: maybe you can tell me what the benefits are when we switch from minecraft to minetest
18:44	reactor	Use what works best for you.
18:44	reactor	Try yourself and see.
18:45	Fusl	hmm
18:45	Fusl	exactly this is not how you get users to switch from minecraft to minetest
18:45	whiskers75	Fusl: that's not the point
18:45	Fusl	any screenshots?
18:45	whiskers75	Fusl: sure
18:45	whiskers75	Fusl: one second
18:45	Fusl	i mean
18:45	Fusl	the screenshots on the website seems outdated
18:45	Fusl	s/seems/seem/
18:46	whiskers75	Fusl: sec
18:46	whiskers75	reactor: where are screenshots saved again? xD
18:46	Fusl	okay
18:46	Fusl	i have to go
18:47	whiskers75	Fusl: nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
18:47	Fusl	show me l8r
18:47	reactor	whiskers75: in minetest directory.
18:47	whiskers75	not there
18:47	whiskers75	ohwait
18:47	whiskers75	Fusl: http://i.imgur.com/7hrQEq5.png
18:53	markveidemanis	Ello
18:53	whiskers75	http://blog.whiskers75.co.uk/post/84600954654/minetest-krock-vs-whiskers75
18:53	Krock	ik
18:53	whiskers75	that should be put in the topic :D
18:53	afk	whiskers75: yes, i'm skasturi :>
18:54	whiskers75	:>
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18:56	sapier	true, ubuntu got crap since they switched to unity
18:58	markveidemanis	john_minetest, Y U OP?
19:04	* GhostDoge	licks john_minetest
19:09	GhostDoge	Very cold
19:09	* doge	licks GhostDoge
19:11	GhostDoge	Many cold ;)
19:14	Krock	,02Some cold
19:14	GhostDoge	Very notification on github
19:15	markveidemanis	1,3 hi
19:15	markveidemanis	Yay!
19:16	markveidemanis	1,1C2,2o3,3l4,4o5,5u6,6r7,7f8,8u9,9l
19:16	markveidemanis	Crap
19:16	* GhostDoge	slaps Fusl
19:16	MinetestBot	4C4o4l7o7r7f8u8l8!
19:17	markveidemanis	!rainbow 1,1C2,2o3,3l4,4o5,5u6,6r7,7f8,8u9,9l
19:17	MinetestBot	44â€‹14,7â€‹17C78â€‹28,8â€‹23o33â€‹3,â€‹3l66â€‹46,â€‹4o4â€‹54,4â€‹57u77â€‹68,8â€‹68r33â€‹73,â€‹7f6â€‹86,6â€‹8u13â€‹94,4â€‹94l
19:17	GhostDoge	~rainbow Woof!
19:17	ShadowBot	GhostDoge: Woof!
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19:18	MinetestBot	4S4o4m7e7w7h8e8r8e3 3o3ver 6t6h6e ra4i4n4b7o7w7,8 8w8a3y3 3up h6i6g6h. A4n4d4 7t7h7e8 8d8r3e3a3ms t6h6a6t yo4u4 4d7r7e7a8m8e8d3 3o3f, o6n6c6e, i4n4 4a7 7l7u8l8l8a3b3y3.
19:18	Krock	~rainbow ,011,102,143,054
19:18	ShadowBot	Krock: 0700,0110708,1020713,1430701,054
19:19	Krock	also nice.
19:19	whiskers75	GhostDoge!
19:19	whiskers75	:D
19:19	GhostDoge	whiskers75!
19:20	whiskers75	yay
19:20	whiskers75	doge: WHY YOU QUIT MINETEST
19:23	Krock	GhostDoge!
19:25	GhostDoge	Krock is much away
19:30	GhostDoge	Archlinux looks cool
19:30	whiskers75	no
19:30	whiskers75	no arch :3
19:31	GhostDoge	ok then I'll use gentoo :P
19:31	whiskers75	GhostDoge: okusearchthen
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19:54	BlockMen	Win7 ftw :P
19:54	BlockMen	*yolo
19:55	BlockMen	john_minetest, no its the last
19:55	BlockMen	win8 is "Tiles" ;)
19:57	BlockMen	wut? win2000 was awesome
19:58	lordcirth	2000 was reasonably stable, at least after a year of patches
19:58	BlockMen	actually xp was 2000 + skin :P
19:58	BlockMen	*more or less
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20:01	* BlockMen	started using pc with win 95 :P
20:01	asie	john_minetest: http://www.ngohq.com/images/WindowsXP.jpg
20:01	asie	or was it?
20:02	GhostDoge	my first OS was Win XP
20:02	GhostDoge	and I got to go
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20:07	BlockMen	ME = Vista = Win8 ;P
20:07	asie	98 -> XP -> Ubuntu -> Debian -> Arch -> Gentoo -> OS X (-> unknown Linux distro in late 2015)
20:22	asie	idea; a minetest modjam
20:23	asie	modjams became a great way to faciliate new content int he minecraft community
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20:49	sfan5	!tell PilzAdam this is not how !kick is supposed to be used, /ignore is for personal problems, not !kick
20:49	MinetestBot	sfan5: I'll pass that on when PilzAdam is around
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20:54	whiskers75	sfan5: lol
20:55	whiskers75	sfan5: did I tick him off by saying Pilz?
20:56	harrison	i would rather be ticked off than get lyme disease off a tic
20:56	harrison	k
21:04	SylvieLorxu	Depends on your reason(s) to do so
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21:26	ShadowNinja	VanessaE: You used both a "ShadowBot: " prefix and a '~' prefix.
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21:29	VanessaE	ShadowNinja: force of habit
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21:31	ShadowNinja	whiskers75: Please disable auto-rejoin-on-kick if you haven't already. Most ops would have banned you for that.
21:31	ShadowNinja	~tell PilzAdam Try /remove or a ban next time.
21:31	ShadowBot	ShadowNinja: O.K.
21:36	jin_xi	ugh. revising painting mod (which i doubt anyone uses...) and confused.
21:37	jin_xi	anyone got a clue how groups work?
21:40	Jordach	!tw frankieboyle
21:40	MinetestBot	Jordach: Give me a link, a @username, or a tweet id
21:41	Jordach	!tw @frankieboyle
21:41	MinetestBot	Sorry, couldn't get a tweet from https://twitter.com/frankieboyle?1399239660.18 (@frankieboyle)
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21:43	Jordach	kaeza, y u have flowy hair
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21:51	harrison	Blockade of opioid peptides from opioid receptors for a short time each day (4 to 6 hr) with LDN provides a sufficient window of time (18-20 hr) for the elevated levels of endogenous opioids and opioid receptors to interact and elicit a response: inhibition of cell proliferation. Thus, LDN acts as a decoy to upregulate native opioids and opioid receptors.
21:53	* markveidemanis	is setting up an ircd
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21:56	rambomedic	harrison do you have ovarian cancer?
21:56	ShadowBot	john_minetest: Error: You don't have the #minetest,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
21:57	Jordach	!tell Calinou apparently the crafting for golden arrows is duplicated
21:57	MinetestBot	Jordach: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
21:57	Jordach	!tell Calinou apparently not, just a flipped recipe.
21:57	MinetestBot	Jordach: I'll pass that on when Calinou is around
21:58	MinetestBot	john_minetest: yeah, sure, whatever
21:58	MinetestBot	I'm not dumb, you know?
21:59	harrison	rambomedic: not as such, no. that neoplasm would be quite surprising in a person of such virile gender as myself
21:59	ShadowBot	john_minetest: test
22:00	rambomedic	harrison: are you trying to treat it?
22:00	rambomedic	http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-07/sfeb-ldn071211.php
22:00	rambomedic	~rainbow yolo
22:00	ShadowBot	rambomedic: yolo
22:01	rambomedic	~rainbow ridethemagicdragon king of g
22:01	ShadowBot	rambomedic: ridethemagicdragon king of g
22:01	rambomedic	cool
22:01	rambomedic	~help
22:01	ShadowBot	rambomedic: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
22:01	harrison	no rambomedic, i am not treating ovarian cancer in myself
22:01	harrison	but i am using LDN
22:01	harrison	for another condition
22:01	harrison	a much rarer one, i think
22:02	rambomedic	which is.... ? (if you're comfortable ofc)
22:02	rambomedic	john_minetest how do you get shadow bot to list plugins
22:02	rambomedic	~help rainbow
22:02	ShadowBot	rambomedic: (rainbow <text>) -- Returns <text> colorized like a rainbow.
22:02	rambomedic	~help list
22:02	ShadowBot	rambomedic: (list [--private] [--unloaded] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins. If --unloaded is given, it will list available plugins that are not loaded.
22:02	rambomedic	~list
22:02	ShadowBot	rambomedic: Admin, Aka, Anonymous, Brainfuck, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Conditional, Config, Ctcp, Debug, DerplangPlus, Dict, Filter, FloodProtector, Format, Games, GitHub, Google, Karma, Later, Logger, Math, MessageParser, Minetest, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Network, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Reply, Scheduler, Services, Status, String, Time, Topic, URL, Unix, User, Util, Utilities, (1 more message)
22:02	harrison	http://myelitis.org/newsletters/j5/journal-5-06.htm read that rambomedic
22:03	rambomedic	~Aka
22:03	rambomedic	~help aka
22:03	ShadowBot	rambomedic: Error: There is no command "aka".
22:03	rambomedic	~aka
22:03	rambomedic	~aka chocolate
22:04	Jordach	quit the bot abuse or GTFO.
22:05	rambomedic	harrison: what is the purpose of the redundancy in this sentence: "The etiology is unknown; at present we do not know what causes this disease"
22:06	harrison	you think i wrote that?
22:06	harrison	i did not write it
22:06	harrison	and i refuse to take responsibility for the editing
22:06	harrison	since i didn't do that either
22:10	rambomedic	lol I didn't accuse you harrison, was just wondering
22:11	Jordach	no
22:11	VanessaE	G*d damn it harrison, cut the shit
22:11	harrison	it was his fault
22:11	VanessaE	stop getting up-in-your-face when someone asks a question.
22:11	VanessaE	you could have just said "dunno, I didn't write it".
22:11	harrison	i did say that
22:12	VanessaE	no, you said you didn't write it AND you refuse to take responsibility for it AND you refuse to take responsibility for the editing thereof.
22:12	VanessaE	cut that shit out.
22:13	harrison	why am i always oppressed? i blame the System. Not you VanessaE -- i bear no grudge. I am not angry -- just hurt
22:13	VanessaE	er, the middle part is assumed :P
22:13	Jordach	pssh
22:13	Taoki	Hello. Can a forum admin please give me post rights in https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=4814bab642b9cbf8ef612a7d8b76d5e6 ? I will be making mods, and being able to post them there would be helpful
22:13	VanessaE	don't play the victim here, harrison.
22:13	harrison	ow!
22:13	Taoki	Don't even get while that session is restricted
22:13	Taoki	Aaah, drama. Sorry to bother :P
22:13	Jordach	you don't know the hell of having mental disabilities on a CV
22:13	VanessaE	Taoki: you have to post in Modding General first :)
22:14	Taoki	VanessaE: That's a rule for any modder? Ok in that case
22:14	VanessaE	Taoki: yep
22:14	VanessaE	afaik it even applies to moderators too in theory
22:14	jin_xi	lol
22:15	Jordach	VanessaE, LIES
22:15	Jordach	write it in the trash area then move it without anyone even noticing ;)
22:15	VanessaE	Jordach: "in theory" :P
22:16	VanessaE	(I never said the theory hadn't been proven false ;) )
22:17	VanessaE	hi
22:18	Sokomine	what mod are you plannig to release, taoki?
22:18	* Sokomine	looks curious
22:18	Taoki	Sokomine: Posting it soon in Modding General, will show after that
22:18	Sokomine	ok
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22:19	Jordach	VanessaE, ranged item pickup
22:19	Jordach	any hints on finding that mod
22:19	Jordach	s/ranged/auto
22:19	Sokomine	regarding modpacks...is there any sensible way to do it? especially if we start calling them "games"? i find it unjust to name only those "games" which change mapgen and what minetest_game is/was slightly...
22:19	VanessaE	Jordach: https://github.com/cyisfor/item_drop
22:19	Jordach	Sokomine, BFD doesn't count in any shape or form :>
22:19	VanessaE	that?
22:20	Sokomine	what's bfd?
22:20	VanessaE	Sokomine: Big Fucking Deal? ;)
22:20	VanessaE	(D=Dig)
22:20	Sokomine	aah :-)
22:20	VanessaE	Big Freaking Dig
22:20	VanessaE	Jordach's game
22:20	Sokomine	yes, jordach was talking about that and posted screenshots :-)
22:20	Sokomine	i was even testing it shortly
22:21	VanessaE	I need testers for Dreambuilder too
22:21	Jordach	VanessaE, well, change VE-Survival into VE-Dreambuilder
22:21	VanessaE	especially to make sure I didn't screw anything up with the little git-learning hiccups over the last couple of days
22:21	Jordach	hint hint
22:21	VanessaE	Jordach: both Survival and Creative run Dreambuilder so that wouldn't make much sense
22:21	Sokomine	isn't dreambuilder the version running on your server(s)? the only issues i have with that is that i want to see players online building there - not in their singleplayer worlds :-)
22:21	VanessaE	Sokomine: well I need local testing
22:22	VanessaE	because of exactly that issue.
22:22	Jordach	we really need a better soloution to automated protection
22:22	Sokomine	ah
22:22	Sokomine	automated protection?
22:23	Jordach	evaluates the lowest and furthest points and automatically applies an area that fits in the areas mod limits
22:23	Jordach	in a bit (for some reason) git is failing
22:23	Sokomine	i'll try to check it out a bit later, vanessa. though local testing might miss a lot of points
22:23	Jordach	it is in a loop where two commits are identical
22:24	Sokomine	aah
22:24	Sokomine	that doesn't sound so good
22:24	jin_xi	anyone here ever tried making a punch_operable entity? or an immortal one? i always get 'armor={fleshy=100}' 10hp GenericCAOs
22:25	Jordach	jin_xi, immortal = immortal
22:25	Jordach	fleshy is used because there isn't really anything else
22:25	Jordach	and the tools only have fleshy damage]#
22:25	Jordach	(i should know, i've toyed with simple mobs)
22:26	jin_xi	no matter what i try, the entity dies when punched w/o tool
22:26	jin_xi	i want it to die when you dig a specific node, no other way.
22:26	Sokomine	jin_xi: i made my traders pretty resistant. in order to make really sure that they can't be killed (they're expensive and it would be an annoyance if players would kill the traders of others), they also heal whenever there's danger of having been hit
22:26	jin_xi	hmm
22:27	Sokomine	they have like 100 hp or something. plus healing
22:27	Sokomine	that does help
22:28	Jordach	and tweaked the simple mobs to evil mod
22:28	Jordach	dungeon masters have 40 hearts
22:28	jin_xi	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L813 <<- how?
22:28	jin_xi	i tried armor_groups= {punch_operable=1, immortal=1}, same with groups instead of armor_groups
22:29	Sokomine	hmm, i don't trust that "immportal" group too much. it didn't achieve the desired result for me
22:29	jin_xi	same here
22:29	Sokomine	perhaps it's broken. or we're both using it in the wrong way
22:30	jin_xi	well, ok so this is not implemented? or ^
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22:36	* Jordach	put Jordach's UV mapping skills to the limit
22:36	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/PGnJatb9swx5.png
22:39	jin_xi	yay, success.
22:39	* markveidemanis	invites people to connect to 31.48.192.6:6667 #bots
22:39	Jordach	BAM
22:39	Jordach	https://cdn.mediacru.sh/ZNAzFj_l_jGz.png
22:40	jin_xi	Sokomine: using set_armor_groups({foo}) after adding the entity works
22:41	Jordach	jin_xi, can you try and make a working volleyball mod :D
22:42	jin_xi	no u
22:42	Jordach	VanessaE, how does one make game defined settings (eg, a custom minetest.conf within the game, that overrides settings)
22:42	jin_xi	golf might work better
22:42	jin_xi	yay, no more lost paintings when your brush is finished
22:45	jin_xi	but i dont get why it only works that way and not via entity definition
22:46	jin_xi	this way you need to re-set the armor_groups in on_activate too else your entities will be fleshy after a logout
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22:51	VanessaE	Jordach: don't such settings go in game.conf? otherwise I'm not sure
22:52	Jordach	hey WindHero
22:52	WindHero	hey
22:52	EvergreenTree	Hi
22:52	VanessaE	hey evergreen
22:52	EvergreenTree	I was saying hi to WindHero
22:52	WindHero	1/4000
22:52	EvergreenTree	but hi anyway
22:52	WindHero	hi
22:52	EvergreenTree	hifest
22:53	WindHero	better hi than low
22:54	WindHero	I just noticed you bringing up game.conf....
22:54	WindHero	is that used for anything except naming the game?
22:54	Jordach	WindHero, yarp
22:54	WindHero	I can't find any documentation
22:54	WindHero	can it set the default mapgen?
22:54	Jordach	if you want physics settings, put a minetest.conf in the game base folder
22:55	WindHero	I'm currently trying to make a game based off of something someone said in one of my mod topics
22:56	WindHero	so I'm trying to see if I can lock the game to singlenode gen
22:57	Jordach	WindHero, you can
22:57	Jordach	make a minetest.conf in the games/<game name>.
22:57	Jordach	<game name>/*
22:57	WindHero	great, thank you!
23:03	Jordach	WindHero, you in yet
23:03	WindHero	nope
23:03	WindHero	saving the cache didn't work right
23:04	Jordach	you appear to be preloading items
23:04	Jordach	because players on join when the reach that phase
23:04	NekoGloop	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbHY7vBAp4o
23:05	WindHero	I'd reckon I am, yeah
23:05	Jordach	i've also noted your cache load speed is insane
23:05	Jordach	(downloading media)
23:06	WindHero	I don't even...
23:06	Jordach	everyone else takes ages
23:06	WindHero	I guess my signal is stronger than usual today
23:06	Jordach	your loading time for new tracks is much better than dedicated lines that EvergreenTree has
23:07	EvergreenTree	odd
23:07	WindHero	I'm certainly not complaining!
23:07	Jordach	what laptop are you using
23:07	WindHero	Toshiba Satellite
23:07	NekoGloop	so hay any up and happening things going on here?
23:08	WindHero	A505
23:08	Jordach	(and try to disable preload item stuff)
23:08	WindHero	NekoGloop, waiting until Minetest finishes loading Jordach's server
23:08	EvergreenTree	WindHero: don't use preload item visuals
23:08	NekoGloop	Jordach: can I serverings too?
23:09	Jordach	NekoGloop, jordach.minetest.net
23:09	NekoGloop	what version of MT should I use
23:09	Jordach	!up jordach.minetest.net
23:09	MinetestBot	jordach.minetest.net:30000 is up (312ms)
23:09	Jordach	git
23:09	WindHero	Yeah, I'll turn it off...
23:09	Jordach	(hint, press esc when loading media to cancel)
23:09	NekoGloop	WOAH HOLY SHIT WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FORUMS
23:10	WindHero	now I got the "another client connected" error, :P
23:10	WindHero	no more
23:10	EvergreenTree	wait a bit
23:10	EvergreenTree	then try reconnecting
23:11	WindHero	took shorter than usual today...
23:11	WindHero	both the other servers I go on usually make me wait 3-5 minutes :P
23:12	WindHero	I'm thinking of creating an inverse version of skylands...
23:12	Jordach	i don't bother copying the cache as my bandwidth is 60gb a day in internet usage
23:12	Taoki	Sokomine: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9240
23:12	WindHero	create islands of air underground ;)
23:12	NekoGloop	oh the japanese support in MT doesn't murder the interfaces anymore
23:12	WindHero	60gb HOLY S----
23:13	WindHero	Our internet is capped at 10 GB a month
23:13	NekoGloop	60gb what? O.o
23:13	Jordach	and fibre is coming to me next year in autumn
23:13	WindHero	:O
23:13	* WindHero	is jelous
23:13	WindHero	*jealous
23:14	Jordach	i also get free sport channels and other stuff from the ISP, such as free landline calls to ANYONE.
23:14	WindHero	here in Hawaii, our power and phone lines aren't even underground, lol
23:14	WindHero	and a portion of the southern part of the Big Island has no broadband
23:15	NekoGloop	can someone tell me what the bottom 2 options in the first column of the options menu are?
23:15	Jordach	think MC digging particles
23:15	Jordach	and something that even i dont know what it does#
23:15	NekoGloop	ok
23:15	NekoGloop	well I have no clue
23:15	NekoGloop	because it's in japanese for me
23:16	Jordach	why are you even in japanese
23:16	Jordach	you speak engrish
23:16	NekoGloop	because games that need japanese
23:16	WindHero	ol
23:16	WindHero	*lol
23:16	NekoGloop	loading media, here we gooooooooo
23:17	WindHero	I'm still there too, lol
23:17	* Jordach	watches his send go upto ~70mbps
23:17	WindHero	xD
23:17	WindHero	what was it before?
23:17	Jordach	100kbps
23:17	NekoGloop	well I'm going to assume it's working
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23:17	WindHero	0_0
23:18	Jordach	i've hit 75mbps upload when EvergreenTree once joined
23:18	WindHero	maybe less is more when it comes to internet...
23:19	NekoGloop	'cause damned if I can actually tell what's going on
23:19	WindHero	my receive rate is capping at about 88 kbps atm
23:19	NekoGloop	how many mods do you have, Jordach O.o
23:19	WindHero	not that many
23:19	WindHero	except a huge jukebox ;)
23:19	NekoGloop	my recieve is like 120 kbps
23:20	* Jordach	considers unplugging the attached system fan
23:20	Jordach	i've kept noticing Control Centre fails to activate temp control
23:20	Jordach	i was close to 70C
23:20	WindHero	:/
23:21	WindHero	!
23:21	WindHero	p bad
23:21	WindHero	I had to replace the motherboard and a few other things in the family desktop
23:22	WindHero	(used to be primarily my mom's, but now I code on it more)
23:22	Jordach	it's like UEFI doesn't give a shit anymore since that fan went in
23:22	WindHero	and I accidentally got a mobo larger than the tower case
23:22	Jordach	(i'm unplugging the bitch in a bit)
23:22	WindHero	the new tower case has like, 4 built-in fans @_@
23:22	WindHero	it's loud as Grimer
23:23	* markveidemanis	invites the craftiest of spammers to 31.48.192.6:6667 #help :P
23:23	WindHero	say what?
23:23	WindHero	why....?
23:24	WindHero	OK, there's no reason for me to still be loading media here.
23:25	Jordach	there dropped 30C
23:25	Jordach	all fans are now at 100%
23:26	WindHero	the fan from the Nether
23:26	WindHero	Jordach, have you ever played Cave Story?
23:26	Jordach	nope
23:26	WindHero	oh, I'm in now
23:45	Jordach	My plans for tomorrow: get wasted at a bar, probably BFD
23:45	Jordach	after*
23:46	EvergreenTree	Getting wasted is always a good idea! (said no one ever)
23:46	EvergreenTree	wait, but I just said it...
23:46	EvergreenTree	:o
23:46	ShadowNinja	Jordach: The minetest.conf in the game dir is overriden by the main minetest.conf. Use minetest.register_on_mapgen_init() to force mapgens and mapgen flags.
23:47	ShadowNinja	WindHero: ^
23:47	Jordach	ShadowNinja, seriously
23:47	Jordach	such bad design
23:47	Jordach	wow
23:47	Jordach	many brainwaves wasted
23:47	WindHero	back
23:47	ShadowNinja	Jordach: The game.conf is intended for default settings not forced settings.
23:48	ShadowNinja	+,
23:48	WindHero	and dc'd now
23:48	ShadowNinja	You can use minetest.setting_set() for other settings.
23:48	WindHero	great to know, thank you
23:48	Jordach	anyways
23:48	WindHero	any way to can force un-gen a chunk?
23:49	Jordach	lemme reboot and remove this dud fan
23:49	WindHero	kk
23:56	WindHero	I'll be back later. cya!

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