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00:10 EvergreenTree It's quiet here
00:10 EvergreenTree too quiet
00:10 EvergreenTree Quick, someone say something controversial!
00:10 PilzAdam burn the trees
00:18 EvergreenTree how dare you
00:18 EvergreenTree well, I asked for it
00:18 EvergreenTree :P
00:22 us`0gb Burn the trees and the fungi!
00:22 us`0gb And the cats. We can't forget them.
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00:49 PilzAdam EvergreenTree, you missed a very interesting discussion while being away
00:49 * EvergreenTree looks at the logs
00:49 EvergreenTree "logs"
00:49 EvergreenTree lol
00:49 PilzAdam we used [off]
00:49 EvergreenTree oh, so no logs?
00:50 PilzAdam yes
00:50 EvergreenTree yeah, no logs
00:50 E4xoi blame PA, he had the idea of use [off]
00:52 PilzAdam yea, blame pulse audio
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00:53 E4xoi lol
00:53 E4xoi jackd > pulseaudio
00:56 us`0gb Pulse Audio ... I hear it's always making trouble like that.
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01:38 paramat dyson cube modpack http://i.imgur.com/Mp29nQY.png https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7869 < hmmmm
01:40 paramat next i'll add clouds and a central cubic sun
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02:02 hmmmm agh
02:02 hmmmm damn the lighting is disasterous
02:03 hmmmm paramat, how's this for an idea:
02:03 hmmmm you can override Y+ to Y- lighting with "lighting from an origin"
02:04 hmmmm I'm thinking like you'd have some sort of rectangular region where light spreads from all faces
02:05 hmmmm and it propogates the same way as normal light
02:06 hmmmm agh who am I kidding
02:06 hmmmm shouldn't bother with light to that extent, unless it turns out to be trivial to do.... it's just so unflexible, i can't wait for hardware lighting
02:10 us`0gb proller: I was told you were the one to ask about the Minetest protocol. It's based on UDP, right? And does it have a name? MTP, perhaps?
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02:25 paramat hmmmm, interesting idea. ive been feeling it would be good to have a lightweight / simplified hardware lighting, that more suits MT's character
02:30 paramat ... simplified as in it works at node resolution with level 0-15 as it does now, but spreads light as hardware lighting does
02:38 hmmmm one of the greatest advantages of hardware lighting is that we wouldn't be restricted to 16 levels of light
02:38 hmmmm which means an arbitrarily long range
02:40 hmmmm so let me think about this out loud... I'll have two biome types, climate and terrain
02:40 hmmmm a specific biome is a combination of the two biome types
02:40 hmmmm so like for example snow mountains, snow plains, snow hills, snow ocean (arctic) or whatevr
02:41 hmmmm the selection for the climate biome is a fast cached voronoi diagram O(1) lookup
02:41 hmmmm as for the terrain, this is what i need to think harder about, this is a combination of terrain variance and absolute height
02:41 hmmmm the absolute height thing is a problem though
02:42 hmmmm how do I make beach biomes occur at a specific height interval
02:42 hmmmm this would require me to use what's being used right now in biome selection, which is bad, bad, bad.  either that O(n) selection or a K-means lookup that's just as slow in practice
02:44 NekoGloop so have we allowed any good amount of items? Say, 32k?
02:44 us`0gb Hardware lighting sounds like it might be good. Hopefully there would be a setting to turn it off though? I don't think my machine can take it. It can't even take shaders.
02:47 hmmmm perhaps average height could be used of the surrounding area instead of height at that specific point.. this would be functionally equivalent to just flattening the terrain though
02:48 hmmmm but i'd be able to leverage what I already have computed while doing terrain variance
02:48 hmmmm does this solve my problem?
02:49 Megaf Hi everyone
02:49 Megaf good night, see you tomorrow
02:49 hmmmm hrmm
02:49 * paramat reads ...
02:49 hmmmm no it doesn't
02:50 hmmmm in fact that's the dumbest idea i've ever come up with
02:50 hmmmm the fact is, biome selection by absolute height matters way more at the "average" heights
02:50 hmmmm the extremes, like 29000, not so much
02:51 hmmmm so I want like a logarithmic decay
02:51 hmmmm but I can't use logarithm of course
02:51 paramat arctan is nice ...
02:52 hmmmm the cutoff is too steep
02:56 hmmmm but it's the nicest i have
02:56 hmmmm yeah, gonna have to go with arctan
02:57 paramat ive been watching MC videos of 'biomes a plenty' and im considering biome groups, multiple biomes in each of 9 or 16 temp/humid sectors
02:57 hmmmm float height_score = atan(ground_height * 5 / 31000);
02:58 hmmmm paramat, i had biome groups at first :D
02:58 hmmmm they were called exactly that, biome groups
02:59 paramat i remember you describing them, good idea
02:59 hmmmm they worked out poorly
03:00 paramat i would have a 3rd perlin noise selecting which biome to spawn from the temp/humid group of that column / node
03:00 hmmmm yup, that's how my biome group worked
03:00 paramat lol
03:00 hmmmm or, 'bgroup'
03:01 hmmmm i think actually biomes work out just fine with these simpler algorithms but it's just very difficult to tune
03:02 paramat time consuming to tune, i should know, at times i put full time hours into mapgen
03:03 hmmmm it's way too time consuming
03:10 * paramat writes suncube mod
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03:44 paramat ... 321ms per chunk, toodle pip!
03:49 iqualfragile soo, i have been thinking about how to generate climate again, the high-effort version
03:50 iqualfragile in real life most of the water in the air eveporated from oceans
03:51 iqualfragile additionally the main wind direction is ocean -> land
03:51 iqualfragile so instead of setting a static wind direction one would use a vector pointed away from the nearest ocean
03:52 iqualfragile that would make landscape quite a lot more realistic but on the other hand be a *bit* slower as you cant just offset the bitmap by some static vector
03:54 iqualfragile hmm… if one would only allow 8 directions it might actually be doable
03:55 iqualfragile just start your cloud at the outside of an ocean initialize it with lets say 1
03:56 iqualfragile then move one block in vector direction, loose some water based on the height change, continue until no more water is left
03:57 iqualfragile would still require to pregenerate a lot of terrain, but at least now we know how much exactly: untill all the land you want to generate is surrounded by ocean
03:58 iqualfragile looking at current terrain generators that might be a bad idea thought, as they generate incredibly large continents…
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03:58 iqualfragile hmmmm: thoughts?
03:59 iqualfragile actually you could also incorporate temperature change to calculate humidity reduction
04:00 iqualfragile about finding the height of a block: that would be a _lot_ easier if 2d perlin noise would be used, is 3d noise realy nescesary? (just asking :D)
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05:32 paramat added suncube mod to dyson cube modpack  http://i.imgur.com/9RS0HCQ.png a chunk sized central sun of lethal plasma (a non flowing liquid)
05:36 RealBadAngel nice
05:42 paramat =)
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06:22 RealBadAngel ofc sun movement shall be disabled in this mod and lightsource set to center of suncube
06:22 RealBadAngel that soon will be possible :)
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08:28 MinetestBot GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #134 from Novatux/master 2cab6aa5ef 2014-03-20T09:28:03+01:00 http://git.io/TKo1-A
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09:35 JamesTait Good morning all; happy World Storytelling Day! :-D
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11:40 Megaf Hi all
11:41 enchilado Hi Megaf
11:46 E4xoi hihi
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11:53 CheapSeth Hi
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12:48 sfan5 yay!
12:48 sfan5 my 2nd display arrived
12:48 CheapSeth \o/
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12:52 sfan5 > the ones holding the screen.
12:52 sfan5 lol
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13:02 reactor Solder it back?
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13:09 reactor On. So the cable itself is okay?
13:10 reactor Some kind of a connector that broke?
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13:12 reactor Remove it and solider it permanently, then cut it and solder a simple connector in the middle?
13:13 reactor You're not likely to find a spare anyway.
13:13 reactor Non-standard connectors must die, anyway.
13:14 reactor Yay! "anyway" twice in a row, anyway.
13:15 reactor It's a ribbon?
13:15 reactor stick a piece of rubber in there to hold it in place?
13:15 reactor I know those. A kind of ribbons. They suck.
13:16 PenguinDad where can I find the mods that were used on the LogoSkyblock server?
13:16 reactor If it's not too many wires in it, you can replace it with real wires.
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13:30 reactor john_minetest: if got no rubber, a piece of eraser or plastic foam will do.
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13:53 * EvergreenTree just saw a better way of detecting when a player is drowning
13:54 EvergreenTree something like: "if player:get_breath == 0 then"
13:55 kaeza +()
13:55 kaeza mornings
13:56 EvergreenTree Hi kaeza
13:56 EvergreenTree Yes, +()
13:56 EvergreenTree :P
13:56 kaeza :)
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14:10 EvergreenTree Does anyone know why this doesn't work:
14:10 EvergreenTree http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7125423/
14:11 PenguinDad change "player_name:get_breath()" to "player:get_breath()"
14:12 EvergreenTree I tried that
14:12 EvergreenTree Same error
14:12 EvergreenTree I'll try it again
14:13 kaeza >minetest.chat_send_all(player .. "drowned.")
14:13 kaeza you are calling get_breath() on a string, and concatenating an userdata value
14:14 kaeza I think you want the other way around :)
14:15 EvergreenTree Sorry, so what would I need to do?
14:16 EvergreenTree ^ used to python
14:17 kaeza change as PenguinDad said, then `player .. "drowned."' to `player_name .. "drowned."'
14:17 kaeza if that fails, report the new error
14:18 PenguinDad and add a space before drowned :p
14:18 kaeza :P
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14:19 EvergreenTree Thanks.  I knew it would be something obvious
14:19 EvergreenTree and + <space>
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14:25 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
14:26 EvergreenTree Hi PilzAdam!
14:26 PenguinDad Hello PilzAdam
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14:27 EvergreenTree Now if you will excuse me, I have some school work to do.  bbl
14:27 EvergreenTree :P
14:27 kaeza cya
14:27 crazyR does anyone know if theres a php class for grabbing data from a minetest server?
14:28 kaeza crazyR, there are a few projects around in the forums
14:28 crazyR anything close to working. or anything you would suggest above others?
14:29 kaeza not really
14:29 crazyR ok, thanks kaeza il look into them :)
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14:40 matibln Hi
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14:42 kaeza hi
14:45 harrison why should a husk have flashing lights?
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16:03 Jordach sfan5, my OCD is killing me http://i.imgur.com/FDvXXHU.png
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16:16 Krock Hello
16:17 Jordach ello krocky
16:18 Krock Jordach, ever have seen this? http://www.dbad-license.org/
16:18 Krock It's cool but little children are playing MT too, so I can't use it in my project :3
16:19 Jordach yet we have mods with WTFPL
16:19 * Jordach says all systems go
16:20 Krock ok.
16:20 Krock I'll use it cuz yolo
16:21 SylvieLorxu Krock: That's a non-Free license
16:21 SylvieLorxu More restrictive than MIT as well :P
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16:21 Krock depends if you want to be a d*** or not :P
16:22 SylvieLorxu No, it literally is more restrictive than MIT
16:22 harrison i must warn you that the dbad license appears to originate from the darkest underbelly of irc, e.g. and to wit, the anti-blogging trolling organization GNAA
16:22 SylvieLorxu And it isn't Free :P
16:22 Krock Uh... it looked soo awsum
16:22 harrison you might as well build a goatse portal to the "undernether"
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16:31 Krock Alot can happen within 365 * 38 days
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16:49 markveidemanis SFAN5
16:49 markveidemanis sorry caps
16:49 sfan5 hm?
16:49 markveidemanis find . -type f -name '*.h' - o -name '*.cpp' | for read -r f; do sed -ire 's/u(\d\d?)/uint\1_t/' $f; sed -ire 's/s(\d\d?)/int\1_t/' $f; done
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16:49 markveidemanis >>replacing -ire with -i -re
16:50 markveidemanis Still throws error
16:50 us`0gb I can't seem to find it via search engine ... Does anyone know where the noguest module is or who writes it?
16:50 markveidemanis It looks like -r f is the problem
16:50 Calinou kaeza?
16:50 sfan5 mh
16:50 kaeza Calinou?
16:50 sfan5 markveidemanis, try: sed -re <stuff> -i $f
16:51 Calinou kaeza, did you make noguest?
16:51 kaeza yes
16:51 kaeza (the original version at least)
16:52 markveidemanis Syntax error near unexpected token `-r'
16:53 sfan5 markveidemanis: did you try what I did for both commands
16:53 sfan5 ?
16:53 markveidemanis Yep
16:53 sfan5 s/did/said/
16:53 sfan5 how does the command look now
16:53 sfan5 ?
16:55 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/8953916
16:55 Krock us`0gb: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=minetest+forums+no_guests
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16:55 us`0gb Thanks!
16:55 Krock np
16:55 sfan5 Krock: noguest site:forum.minetest.net is even more preciese
16:55 sfan5 markveidemanis: what's your version of sed
16:56 markveidemanis sed?
16:56 markveidemanis Should I update it
16:56 markveidemanis idk what it is
16:56 sfan5 markveidemanis: $ sed --version
16:56 us`0gb kaeza: It seems noguest locks me out because my name, 0gb_us, consists of only numeric characters.
16:56 Krock sfan5, but sometimes it can't find older topics, once I searched for onf of my mods in modding generals and there were no hits
16:56 Krock *one
16:57 sfan5 your topic must be very old then
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16:57 sfan5 google should've indexed the whole forum by now
16:57 markveidemanis 4.2.1-10.el6
16:57 markveidemanis oh, a sec
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16:57 kaeza us`0gb, O_o
16:57 markveidemanis yep, 4.2.1
16:57 Krock How long must a topic be dead until the forums can't find it anymore?
16:57 sfan5 ??????
16:57 sfan5 what?
16:58 sfan5 google finds every topic
16:58 sfan5 it does not depend on age
16:58 sfan5 markveidemanis: try this
16:58 Krock "<sfan5>your topic must be very old then" I meant the forum search
16:58 us`0gb Yeah .... I'm told the code is checking my first character and assuming the rest is numeric.
16:59 us`0gb I used a regular search engine, not the one in the forum. I didn't even think of the one in the forum.
16:59 sfan5 find . -type f -name '*.h' - o -name '*.cpp' | for read -r f; do sed -re 's/u(\d\d?)/uint\1_t/' < $f > tmp$$ && mv tmp$$ $f; sed -re 's/s(\d\d?)/int\1_t/' <$f && mv tmp$$ $f; done
16:59 sfan5 Krock: the forum search engine is very bad
16:59 * Calinou managed to use gtk-recordmydesktop to record video of a game
16:59 Calinou is there a way to tell it to not compress the recorded video?
17:00 sfan5 Calinou: use ffmpeg to record things
17:00 sfan5 you have full control over everything then
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17:01 kaeza us`0gb, does it say exactly "All-numeric usernames are disallowed on this server." ?
17:01 Calinou sfan5, too complicated, can't get sound to work
17:02 sfan5 Calinou: use pavucontrol to make ffmpeg record monitor of interal audio
17:02 kaeza also, which server are we talking about here?
17:06 us`0gb kaeza: Yes it does say that. And it's linuxgaming.us.
17:07 kaeza us`0gb, in the original script, the pattern corresponding to that message is "^[0-9]+$"; maybe they modified it to add a new rule?
17:08 us`0gb Hmm. Interesting. Thanks kaeza!
17:09 Calinou gtk-recordmydesktop doesn't record sound either, meh
17:09 kaeza print(("0gb_us"):match("^[0-9]+$")) --> nil
17:14 Calinou SSR can record VP8 directly, still no sound
17:15 Calinou got it working :d
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17:19 us`0gb Drats. They say that my only option is to chose a name without digits. I guess I'll take option B and walk. Plenty of other servers let my use the name 0gb_us.
17:19 us`0gb *choose
17:21 markveidemanis sfan5, same error as before
17:21 sfan5 hm
17:21 markveidemanis I think the error is in the -r f
17:21 sfan5 then your sed does not have perl support
17:21 sfan5 too bad
17:21 markveidemanis How can I update it?
17:21 sfan5 you should know how to do that
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17:32 markveidemanis How?
17:33 markveidemanis Idk the specific package
17:33 sfan5 have you tried googling yet?
17:34 harrison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kem9FBJjZ3I&amp;feature=kp
17:35 sfan5 !title
17:35 MinetestBot sfan5: Shoes for Industry - YouTube
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17:40 markveidemanis Googling what?
17:40 markveidemanis sed-perl?
17:40 markveidemanis perl-sed?
17:41 sfan5 "update package <your distro>"
17:45 Calinou <sfan5> have you tried googling yet?
17:45 Calinou better not try Googling
17:49 markveidemanis I don't know the package name
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17:50 knifethrower93 hi guys
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17:50 Jordach fuckin perl you idiot
17:51 Jordach if all else perl*
17:51 knifethrower93 JORDACH language XD
17:51 knifethrower93 oh its fluffy btw
17:52 Jordach Freenode != InchraNet
17:53 Jordach my swear rate here is through the fuckin roof
17:53 knifethrower93 wow jordach, angry much?? o.O
17:53 Jordach knifethrower93, because of ShadowNinja i liked getting used to swearing when death by lava occurs
17:54 * sfan5 flips knifethrower93
17:54 knifethrower93 haha btw, just call me fluffy, its mee derp lol
17:54 Jordach still got the touch :d
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17:54 knifethrower93 hah ;)
17:55 knifethrower93 im in english class XD
17:56 knifethrower93 so i cant play minetest anymore cause i got caught and my parents dont want me playin it, so im sol as far as that goes. Bloody parents -.-
17:56 sfan5 >so i cant play minetest anymore cause i got caught and my parents dont want me playin it
17:56 sfan5 what is this?
17:56 * Jordach looks at Windows again
17:56 sfan5 Mintest ain't some shooter
17:57 * sfan5 throws Linux at Jordach
17:57 Jordach dafuq are you smoking, i didn't unplug my headphones FROM THE BACK
17:57 knifethrower93 O.o huh??
17:57 Calinou throwing a kernel!
17:57 * knifethrower93 throws knife at sfan5
17:57 * sfan5 slaps knifethrower93
17:57 knifethrower93 hah, that is a dangerous game your playing gov
17:59 * Jordach throws Minecraft at knifethrower93
17:59 knifethrower93 alright, it is time for me to leave you crazy americans XD see ya soon..... maybe
17:59 knifethrower93 oh and tell iluvpeeps7 i said hi :D
18:01 markveidemanis !tell iluvpeeps7 knifethrower93 said hi
18:01 MinetestBot markveidemanis: yeah, sure, whatever
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18:11 us`0gb <http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/02/linux-secureboot-lead.jpg>
18:13 us`0gb MinetestBot seems a little irritable today.
18:22 Krock !up 62.203.236.100
18:22 MinetestBot 62.203.236.100:30000 is up (27ms)
18:23 Krock Weird... 27ms are very fast, in contrast to the max_lag ingame
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18:24 sfan5 Krock: max_lag is the RTT to the laggiest player, the ping is from a server in....
18:24 sfan5 actually..
18:24 sfan5 I'm not sure where my vps is
18:25 Krock sfan5, laggiest player, like the one with the worst internet connection?
18:25 sfan5 yes like that
18:26 Krock oh okay, just because before I upgraded to the newer MT version it was under 2s.. I thought there was a change
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19:49 Krock clients={Krock,Hugo,unknown,unknown,nman3600} wtf?
19:49 Jordach Krock, they've used UNICODE in their name
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19:50 Krock I've got no_guests, so it's not possible
19:50 Jordach Krock, is FreeType enabled?
19:50 Krock no idea
19:50 Krock Using sfan5's newest build
19:51 Jordach if it is: unicode can be utilised as a username
19:51 sfan5 Krock: my build has freetype
19:51 Krock oh, and that causes such problems?
19:51 sfan5 Jordach: wut
19:51 sfan5 usernames can only contains certain chars
19:51 Jordach strange
19:51 sfan5 unicode is not a part of these chars
19:52 Jordach shit
19:52 Krock I already had this problem serval times, where players suddenly joined twice
19:52 Jordach 1st of April is in 11 days
19:52 Krock ye...ong time
19:52 Krock *long time
19:53 Jordach Krock, it was Monday a few hours ago to my clock
19:53 * Jordach doesn't have a working sense of time anymore
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20:03 MinetestBot GIT: Jeija commited to Jeija/minetest-mod-mesecons: Merge pull request #141 from ShadowNinja/commandblock_textarea a9427d267b 2014-03-20T21:02:43+01:00 http://git.io/6dv3Cw
20:04 ShadowNinja \o/
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20:52 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=133940#p133940
20:52 PilzAdam \o/ I am important! \o/
20:52 Jordach Gambit, such generic name
20:52 Jordach derek :P
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21:14 iqualfragile PilzAdam: i do not get the context, why is he called a pilzadam wanabe?
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21:15 iqualfragile hmmmm: i had to sleep a litle yesterda, did you read my brawling?
21:15 ShadowNinja ^
21:16 ShadowNinja I don't think this is the first time someone's called him important, or something like that though.
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21:44 enchilado Jordach: I don't know anyone called Derek.
21:44 enchilado Apart from Gambit.
21:45 Jordach enchilado, that was the joke
21:45 enchilado Oh. Okay.
21:45 Jordach also: thanks for tricking me into thinking this was #minecraft#
21:45 enchilado I did?
21:45 Jordach yeah i usually see you in there
21:46 enchilado I am more active there than here.
21:46 Jordach enchilado, and i'm wating on my famed render to finish up
21:46 enchilado I was absent from this channel for a while because irssi died and I couldn't remember all the channels I was in, too.
21:46 enchilado Oh?
21:47 Jordach enchilado, how it feels to be an admin http://i.imgur.com/haQWIF9.png
21:47 Jordach (esp when banning someone)
21:48 enchilado Haha
21:48 Jordach and no, that's not someone elses model, that's my own graft of several weeks
21:48 enchilado Neat
21:48 Jordach enchilado, http://jordach.deviantart.com for more
21:49 enchilado Jordach: http://jordach.deviantart.com/art/Peace-440302424 - Minecraft's Skyblock? :p
21:50 Jordach enchilado, just thought of doing something random
21:50 Jordach enchilado, i once made one from the minetest logo
21:50 enchilado I like the style
21:50 Jordach enchilado, i use that one as my wallpaper currently
21:51 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6851 <- LogoSkyBlock
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22:01 Jordach everyone
22:01 Jordach OP RAVE
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22:01 Jordach shit
22:02 Jordach you ruined my plan for an OP RAVE ShadowNinja
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22:15 Jordach hello john_minetest
22:15 Jordach jordan4ibanez *
22:15 jordan4ibanez Hello myself
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22:20 ShadowNinja Jordach: Er, good.  I think.
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22:48 Jordach because of googles monopoly in search
22:48 Jordach and they advertise chrome on any form of google.*
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22:53 heavygale there are ads,yes
22:54 heavygale but only if activated by the uploader
22:54 heavygale maybe you're just watching the "right" videos
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23:55 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=133967#p133967 wat?

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