| Time |
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| 00:01 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: there IS a pull for that (sun/moon) but it doesn't apply to current git. |
| 00:01 |
paramat |
so i need to limit how air spreads through vacuum nodes in moonrealm mod, currently a single airleak turns into an exponential spread that causes abm meltdown and leaves massive air cuboids in the realm. |
| 00:01 |
VanessaE |
(and your idea would indeed work, btw) |
| 00:02 |
VanessaE |
(but it would only be able to turn off the sun/moon at startup, and only for the server as a whole, or for one client at a time by texture packs) |
| 00:02 |
Peacock |
well if you can get rid of either sattelite by just using a transparent texture thats good enough, so long as the engine doesn't use any other effects around the texture (hello eclipse lol) |
| 00:03 |
Peacock |
paramat did you try using the value thing i talked about? |
| 00:03 |
paramat |
giving air a value was suggested, does anyone know of a good mod code example of this? |
| 00:03 |
paramat |
:D |
| 00:03 |
Peacock |
well i dont know if you need an example |
| 00:03 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: right, in which case you just provide a transparent 1x1 texture for either or both, and change the tonemap for the remaining one to adjust how it should shift colors over time (if at all/needed) |
| 00:04 |
Peacock |
when an air source produces air, you give it a meta int of say 50, and the abm that runs on air checks that meta int, does -1 for the new air nodes, until you reach 1 when it stops |
| 00:04 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: an all-white tone map would cause the remaining image e.g. the sun, to be displayed exactly as textured, which is probably what one would want in a space realm (e.g. no atmospheric/Rayleigh tinting) |
| 00:05 |
Peacock |
that way, you could use trees out in the open (no domes) and have a radius (or cuboid) around it with air, without scrapping the whole atmosphere :) |
| 00:05 |
paramat |
yeah, stored in param2 perhaps, i need to learn setting that |
| 00:05 |
Peacock |
param2? |
| 00:06 |
Peacock |
not sure using params for things other than they were intended is a good idea :/ meta is fast enough |
| 00:06 |
paramat |
oh cool okay :) im clueless on meta stuff |
| 00:06 |
Peacock |
V you need to tell paramat about that, he's working on moonrealm :P i stopped working on my space game three months ago when the skybox thing appeared but was never pulled (until now) lol |
| 00:06 |
Peacock |
well for meta setuff |
| 00:06 |
Peacock |
*stuff |
| 00:07 |
Peacock |
minetest.get_meta(pos):set_int('spread',50) |
| 00:07 |
blaise |
hrmm |
| 00:07 |
Peacock |
and minetest.get_meta(pos):get_int('spread') |
| 00:07 |
paramat |
nice thanks |
| 00:08 |
Peacock |
if youre having trouble just pastebin the stuff and ill help |
| 00:10 |
paramat |
yeah all these skyboxes, custom satellites need to be per player, for many players in various realms ... |
| 00:11 |
Peacock |
well, they could be per-map if a server could run more than one map at a time and had setpos(mapname,pos) |
| 00:11 |
Peacock |
or rather setpos(pos,mapname<optional>) |
| 00:12 |
Peacock |
i dont know how the space game in MC does it, but you click on the earth and you're back on earth lol |
| 00:13 |
blaise |
minetest is getting a space program? |
| 00:14 |
paramat |
hehe im watching yogscast galacticraft at the moment |
| 00:14 |
blaise |
are we going to call it the NASA mod ? |
| 00:14 |
paramat |
spacetest of course |
| 00:16 |
Peacock |
i was thinking morespacenodeplus ;) |
| 00:17 |
paramat |
nore's pull is interesting #1119 does it theoretically allow maps to expand beyond 33000? |
| 00:17 |
Peacock |
followed up by PilzAdam's morespacenodeplus |
| 00:17 |
paramat |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1119 |
| 00:17 |
paramat |
hehe |
| 00:18 |
Peacock |
not sure what that pull does |
| 00:19 |
paramat |
brings camera back to origin and shifts the whole map, every 200 nodes (!) amazing |
| 00:20 |
Peacock |
sounds kinda sketchy |
| 00:20 |
paramat |
certainly :D |
| 00:21 |
Peacock |
of course things disappearing and flickering goes on at my end no matter where im at |
| 00:21 |
paramat |
at y = 15000 i can even get full nodes to flicker by flying 300 nodes above them |
| 00:22 |
blaise |
eh, what's up with player textures? |
| 00:22 |
Peacock |
though i wish the horizon would flicker between black and white underground |
| 00:22 |
Peacock |
*wouldn't |
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| 00:48 |
blaise |
gah |
| 00:48 |
blaise |
the cute8 texture pack... |
| 00:49 |
blaise |
I can't even tell what is what! |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
blah, forget all the others and use HDX :) |
| 00:49 |
VanessaE |
there's no ambiguity then :D |
| 00:49 |
blaise |
lmao |
| 00:49 |
blaise |
VanessaE: are there any player textures yet? |
| 00:50 |
VanessaE |
no. |
| 00:50 |
blaise |
it's a little disturbing that everyone looks the same |
| 00:50 |
VanessaE |
that's one thing I don't know how to do and make it look right |
| 00:50 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 00:50 |
Peacock |
i made a UPS delivery guy texture, but people thought it looked like a third reich uniform so that had to go lol |
| 00:50 |
blaise |
lmao |
| 00:52 |
Peacock |
though it kinda drives me nuts that player textures on the 3d model blackens out intermittently |
| 00:52 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: that's long since been fixed. |
| 00:52 |
VanessaE |
update your old-ass client :P |
| 00:53 |
Peacock |
long? was still going on on the dec 30th version |
| 00:53 |
VanessaE |
Dec 30? um, dude, it's Feb. 3 now. |
| 00:53 |
Peacock |
a month and 3 or 4 days? thats two paycheques to most people, not that long lol |
| 00:54 |
Peacock |
running the jan 28th now but haven't had outside lan people connect |
| 00:55 |
Peacock |
will have to update again for the skybox thingy as soon as i can find 5 decent textures for it |
| 00:55 |
VanessaE |
not sure which of these commits fixes the lighting bug though |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
but it was fixed. |
| 00:56 |
Peacock |
the random dark and light spots? |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
those haven't been fixed. |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
I meant the player model lighting. |
| 00:56 |
Peacock |
what other lighting bug then? the smooth lighting on nodeboxes? |
| 00:56 |
VanessaE |
players don't randomly turn black anymore. |
| 00:57 |
Peacock |
oh that, thats good at least, i always figured that happened because players were laggin |
| 00:57 |
VanessaE |
nope |
| 00:57 |
Peacock |
the ones that moved never did that |
| 00:58 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/d76957ee22c27adab89cee551e3ab1c85d8717cc |
| 00:58 |
VanessaE |
there it is. |
| 01:00 |
Peacock |
damn, a lot of these skybox textures have a sun in them :/ |
| 01:02 |
blaise |
hrmm |
| 01:02 |
blaise |
so I was digging out the ground to add another floor to my house, and suddenly everything went black |
| 01:02 |
blaise |
:( |
| 01:02 |
Peacock |
whats your pos? |
| 01:03 |
blaise |
I can't tell |
| 01:03 |
VanessaE |
I haven't bothered with a skybox for HDX because no one has explained to me how the fucking work |
| 01:03 |
VanessaE |
they* |
| 01:03 |
blaise |
I got disconnected |
| 01:03 |
blaise |
apparently the server is still catching up though |
| 01:03 |
blaise |
according to the server log I'm still laying block |
| 01:03 |
Peacock |
the skybox is a giant node :P |
| 01:04 |
VanessaE |
that's some nasty lag, blaise :) |
| 01:04 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: got a link to an example? |
| 01:04 |
Peacock |
if everything went black he might have been teleported off the map |
| 01:04 |
blaise |
you aint kidding! |
| 01:04 |
blaise |
I can't even believe it |
| 01:04 |
Peacock |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1816 |
| 01:05 |
blaise |
if I knew what mod was causing the lag I'd disable it |
| 01:05 |
blaise |
I probably need to update them.. |
| 01:05 |
blaise |
too bad it's not as easy as a 'git pull' |
| 01:05 |
blaise |
lmao |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
oh G*d not the set_sky() method |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
I meant the "regular" skyboxes. |
| 01:05 |
VanessaE |
oh wait, they didn't bother to add support for those, did they |
| 01:05 |
Peacock |
? |
| 01:06 |
VanessaE |
so still hard-coded algorithmic day/night skyboxes |
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| 01:06 |
Peacock |
considering how long it took just to pull this, i dont know what more you could expect from them on such short notice :P |
| 01:07 |
Peacock |
we have like a dozen devs, but i get the impression one or two are doing most of the work lately lol |
| 01:09 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: look at the pull request. |
| 01:09 |
VanessaE |
I raised that concern right away |
| 01:10 |
Peacock |
i dont think any more work was done on it, the only thing that changed was paramat asked that it be pulled |
| 01:12 |
Peacock |
for what he needs it for it's good enough |
| 01:13 |
VanessaE |
yeah but if the world has no *default* how the fuck am I supposed to texture it? |
| 01:13 |
Peacock |
by setting a custom one |
| 01:13 |
VanessaE |
custom != default |
| 01:14 |
Peacock |
regular is the default, the pull doesn't intend for texture packs to come with unique skies, it's intended for mods and games that want to set one |
| 01:15 |
Peacock |
the default setup doesnt even use textures, its just colors and dots for stars |
| 01:15 |
VanessaE |
that's my point. |
| 01:15 |
Peacock |
well thats a completely different request then what paramat asked for and got |
| 01:15 |
VanessaE |
there is NO way to texture the default sky at all. |
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Peacock |
well you'd have to argue with the devs to replace the default sky with textures, and that they put those textures in default, THEN texture packs can change them |
| 01:16 |
VanessaE |
you mean .... like the way it was in 0.3.x? :) |
| 01:17 |
Peacock |
yeah but i doubt they'll want to go back now |
| 01:17 |
Peacock |
i also preferred the hotbar on the side to be honest, all my screens are 16:9 |
| 01:17 |
VanessaE |
16:9 on a computer monitor is a travesty :P |
| 01:17 |
Peacock |
its 2014 |
| 01:18 |
Peacock |
i can tile windows side by side or watch movies without those ugly black bars |
| 01:18 |
Peacock |
*and |
| 01:19 |
Peacock |
and even then the newer tower could use a dual monitor |
| 01:20 |
Peacock |
though were still waiting on a new desk cuz with the new external drive there's no more room left anywhere lol |
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iluvpeeps7 |
Hi |
| 02:20 |
iluvpeeps7 |
Am I inirc |
| 02:21 |
iluvpeeps7 |
am i in irc |
| 02:21 |
iluvpeeps7 |
:P |
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blaise |
02:38:04: ERROR[main]: /home/blaise/.minetest/textures/base/pack/logo.png |
| 02:40 |
blaise |
Could not open file of texture: /home/blaise/.minetest/textures/base/pack/logo.png |
| 02:40 |
blaise |
o.O |
| 02:52 |
fwilson |
O_O |
| 02:59 |
VanessaE |
I thought that had been fixed long ago |
| 03:05 |
blaise |
0.4.9 on both dedicated server and client |
| 03:05 |
blaise |
running latest kernel and userland in linux |
| 03:05 |
blaise |
compiled with gcc-4.8.2 |
| 03:05 |
blaise |
:) |
| 03:06 |
blaise |
but no -O3.. I played it safe and did compile optimization level 2 CFLAGS="-O2" |
| 03:06 |
blaise |
:D |
| 03:06 |
blaise |
so I dunno |
| 03:07 |
blaise |
I'm going to have to roll the server over soon |
| 03:07 |
blaise |
for some reason I can't craft anything |
| 03:07 |
blaise |
it just keeps popping back in my inventory... |
| 03:08 |
blaise |
I've restarted the client 5 times, same results |
| 03:26 |
blaise |
did everyone die? |
| 03:30 |
VanessaE |
zzzzzz |
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blaise |
I tried to use the cobble slab as a mantle for my fireplaces |
| 03:44 |
blaise |
it's too wide..... |
| 03:44 |
blaise |
:\ |
| 03:45 |
blaise |
I wish I knew of some way to make a fire grate or something.. little bars or what not |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
use the metal bars from homedecor |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
those might work |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
(they were carried over from the 3dforniture mod) |
| 03:55 |
us_0gb |
I bet that would look very nice. |
| 03:55 |
us_0gb |
Especially with lava sources behind them. |
| 03:58 |
Peacock |
i loved the toilet from forniture |
| 03:58 |
Peacock |
i made a Game of Thrones tribute with them |
| 03:58 |
Peacock |
6d toilets... takes some marksmanship XD |
| 04:04 |
VanessaE |
hah |
| 04:06 |
Peacock |
well for women it should be easier, they already hover over standard (public) toilets o_O |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Update minetest.conf.example 2927a327ca 2014-02-03T19:50:14-08:00 http://git.io/FbOZJg |
| 04:08 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Huge overhaul of the entire MapgenParams system 5a34f40d80 2014-02-03T19:50:14-08:00 http://git.io/3Rk9GQ |
| 04:08 |
MinetestBot |
GIT: kwolekr commited to minetest/minetest: Settings: Add no-exception variants of each get method a439343844 2014-02-03T19:47:40-08:00 http://git.io/5S8dvg |
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VanessaE |
wow, after paring down all the dead accounts on my servers where users signed in, did nothing, never got interact, then signed out, I am down to just under 4,000 legit accounts. that's down from nearly 30,000. |
| 04:37 |
VanessaE |
(across all six servers) |
| 04:39 |
iqualfragile |
VanessaE: i do that automaticly whenever i render a map |
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iqualfragile |
i even think about adding some lines to move players that did not log in for longer then x ms to an oldplayers directory or something |
| 04:40 |
VanessaE |
I might just add something similar to my nightly procedure, but something feels wrong about it, because I'd be "randomly" transporting players back to spawn who just wanted to sign in to have a look around |
| 04:41 |
iqualfragile |
true |
| 04:41 |
iqualfragile |
so optimum might be to remove playerfiles of players that have no interact and did not log in for a while |
| 04:42 |
iqualfragile |
i just reactivated server_announce, lets prepare for incomming |
| 04:49 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
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hmmmm |
that's still quite a bit of accounts |
| 04:54 |
hmmmm |
minetest's entire structure doesn't scale |
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hmmmm |
if I were designing a minetest server on my own that wasn't initially intended to be a toy application i'd make it a real database |
| 05:04 |
Peacock |
please do, 5k userfiles is a lot for a week |
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paramat |
i just remembered to release this lua mapgen example mod https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8483 |
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reactor |
HELO |
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Megaf |
weird, updated minetest and minetest server and all I get now when I login is a dark grey screen |
| 09:47 |
Megaf |
or gray |
| 09:49 |
Megaf |
yep, server is not sending the world to clients |
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Peacock |
seems legit |
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Megaf |
I cant see anything out of ordinary here https://paste.debian.net/80069/ |
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Megaf |
VanessaE, you there? Is it possible to rollback a git pull? |
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pitriss |
git checkout or git reset --hard |
| 10:04 |
Megaf |
nope |
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Megaf |
didnt work |
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Megaf |
its really hard for you to keep this working, isnt it? |
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Megaf |
how do I do to get a specific "snapshot"? I mean, like 284fc0b |
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artur99 |
Woah! Im a star: "Is Miner_48er stupid or just asking too many questions? 44.0% lines contained a question! |
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artur99 |
artur99 didn't know that much either. 42.4% of his/her lines were questions." |
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artur99 |
this is made counting the ? the question marks?? |
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artur99 |
O.O Woah!!! VanessaE spoke a total of 263158 words! |
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Megaf_ |
PenguinDad: Hi there |
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PenguinDad |
hi Megaf |
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Megaf_ |
so you have the same issue I have? |
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PenguinDad |
yes but in singleplayer |
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Megaf_ |
PenguinDad: what is you backpack mod about? Does it allow players to fly withou fly priv? |
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PenguinDad |
no it's more like the backpack in nodetopia |
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Megaf_ |
ah, backpack, I missunderstood it, like, jetpack :P |
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Megaf_ |
I have backpacks already, from inufied_inventory |
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Megaf_ |
unified* |
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sfan5 |
!deop sfan5 VanessaE |
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sfan5 |
hi everyone |
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PenguinDad |
Megaf_: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1134#issuecomment-34056550 |
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PapaJacky |
join irc://chat.freenode.net/#thebreakfastclub antihero |
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PapaJacky |
join #thebreakfastclub antihero |
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Megaf_ |
Hi sfan5 |
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sfan5 |
hi Megaf_ |
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PenguinDad |
third person view sucks :( |
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Megaf_ |
sfan5: can you take a look at this please? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1134 |
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sfan5 |
ok |
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RagnarLaud |
hello |
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RagnarLaud |
VanessaE, could you help me with hooking my website to a .tk domain? |
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RagnarLaud |
with a DNS record |
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sfan5 |
Megaf_: is there any server I could connect to to reproduce this |
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Megaf_ |
sfan5: Not at the moment, I can put one online when I get home, |
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RagnarLaud |
sfan5, could you help? |
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Megaf_ |
going home right now |
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sfan5 |
RagnarLaud: hooking up a website to a .tk domain is not hard |
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sfan5 |
just log into the webinterface and change the url it points to |
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RagnarLaud |
could you please help me step by step in pm? i tried to do it, but i failed |
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VanessaE |
Why would I know anything about .tk domains? |
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VanessaE |
artur99: yeah, I talk too much :P |
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RagnarLaud |
where's artur? |
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RagnarLaud |
DOOD! |
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artur99 |
here |
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artur99 |
hi |
| 13:37 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: regarding rolling back git.. git reset --hard <some commit ID here> where the ID is the last commit you know for sure worked right. then you recompile. you can also, git checkout <commit ID> which is the preferred way for some folks. |
| 13:37 |
RagnarLaud |
dood, help me! with the tk and DNS |
| 13:37 |
artur99 |
the lanch is done |
| 13:37 |
artur99 |
ok |
| 13:37 |
artur99 |
will you make the account on tk, or me? |
| 13:38 |
VanessaE |
Megaf, so for the ID you gave, you'd do: git reset --hard 284fc0b and then re-compile. |
| 13:42 |
VanessaE |
hm, I guess you already figured it out. |
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| 13:43 |
VanessaE |
Why does everyone always have to ask ME these questions while I'm afk? |
| 13:44 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: have you done a proper git bisect, or did you just stop at commit 284fc0b ? |
| 13:51 |
RagnarLaud |
artur99? |
| 13:52 |
artur99 |
yeah |
| 13:52 |
artur99 |
what? |
| 13:52 |
artur99 |
my connection was slow for a few sec |
| 14:08 |
sfan5 |
!tell john_minetest http://i.imgur.com/xRPBWSw.jpg |
| 14:08 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: I'll pass that on when john_minetest is around |
| 14:08 |
RagnarLaud |
sfan5?! |
| 14:08 |
RagnarLaud |
why didn't i know that it could do that? |
| 14:09 |
sfan5 |
!tell RagnarLaud yes? |
| 14:09 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot! |
| 14:09 |
sfan5 |
.. |
| 14:09 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: I'll pass that on when RagnarLaud is around |
| 14:09 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5! |
| 14:09 |
sfan5 |
because you didn't read the docs |
| 14:09 |
RagnarLaud |
there are docs on it? |
| 14:10 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 14:10 |
sfan5 |
!help |
| 14:10 |
MinetestBot |
https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md |
| 14:10 |
RagnarLaud |
nice ;) |
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| 14:12 |
Taoki |
Are there any screenshots of the new player:set_sky system and how it can be used? It's great to finally see this, but hard to test it now |
| 14:12 |
sfan5 |
I haven't seen any screenshots yet |
| 14:12 |
sfan5 |
RagnarLaud: say something again |
| 14:13 |
RagnarLaud |
oh, i got it working already |
| 14:13 |
RagnarLaud |
but thanks anyway |
| 14:13 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 14:14 |
sfan5 |
why isn't this working |
| 14:15 |
RagnarLaud |
what isnt? |
| 14:16 |
sfan5 |
the !tell thing |
| 14:16 |
sfan5 |
!tell RagnarLaud test test |
| 14:16 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: I'll pass that on when RagnarLaud is around |
| 14:17 |
RagnarLaud |
oh :D |
| 14:17 |
RagnarLaud |
it only tells you that it's going to pass it on, but actually doesnt... |
| 14:17 |
RagnarLaud |
LIAR! |
| 14:17 |
sfan5 |
it should tell you what I said just now |
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| 14:22 |
RagnarLaud |
i know |
| 14:24 |
Megaf_ |
VanessaE: I did checkout has |
| 14:24 |
Megaf_ |
hash* |
| 14:25 |
VanessaE |
that'll work too |
| 14:25 |
VanessaE |
I use reset --hard, more out of habit than anything else |
| 14:25 |
RagnarLaud |
VanessaE, I'm an exclusive seller on CodeCanyon |
| 14:25 |
RagnarLaud |
:) |
| 14:28 |
Megaf_ |
sfan5: I buinding a test server right now |
| 14:28 |
sfan5 |
ok |
| 14:31 |
Megaf_ |
sfan5: just did a git clone from master, megaf.no-ip.info 30000 |
| 14:31 |
sfan5 |
MinetestBot! |
| 14:32 |
Megaf_ |
sfan5: same issue |
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| 14:34 |
Megaf_ |
sfan5: are you going to login? megaf.no-ip.info 30000 |
| 14:34 |
Megaf_ |
there you are |
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sfan5 |
Megaf_: it's this bug: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1132 |
| 14:41 |
sfan5 |
!tell john_minetest http://i.imgur.com/xRPBWSw.jpg |
| 14:41 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: I'll pass that on when john_minetest is around |
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| 14:56 |
Megaf_ |
Im back |
| 14:59 |
Megaf_ |
sfan5: yep, I saw that too yesterday, but I wasnt sure if it was related or not |
| 14:59 |
Taoki |
Is latest GIT broken? Even if I create a new world or load an old one, everything is gray and nothing loads or generates |
| 14:59 |
Megaf_ |
Taoki: yes it is |
| 14:59 |
Megaf_ |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1132 |
| 14:59 |
VanessaE |
Why am I the only one who doesn't have a huge problem with that bug? |
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| 14:59 |
Taoki |
oh |
| 15:00 |
VanessaE |
I mean, it happens to me, but it resolves itself within one or two seconds when it happens |
| 15:00 |
Megaf_ |
VanessaE: try megaf.no-ip.info 30000 |
| 15:01 |
Megaf_ |
just a fresh and clean test server |
| 15:01 |
VanessaE |
sapier and I have been talking at length about it, btw |
| 15:01 |
VanessaE |
we know what's going on and are trying to devise a solution that'll work for everyone |
| 15:02 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: all grey for me. |
| 15:02 |
Megaf_ |
I think the problem affects all clients regardless its version |
| 15:03 |
VanessaE |
idk why it's so broken on your server, my servers are simply not so severely affected |
| 15:03 |
VanessaE |
it's like EVERYTHING goes wrong for you, Megaf_ :-/ |
| 15:03 |
Megaf_ |
VanessaE: well, try a fresh git clone and it will happen the same to you |
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| 15:04 |
Megaf_ |
VanessaE: I like to search and find bugs, I test everything I can |
| 15:04 |
Taoki |
Perhpas cache affects it? I'll try with new cache |
| 15:04 |
Megaf_ |
I'm always overusing and overtesting |
| 15:05 |
Megaf_ |
Taoki: it does not, Im trying with fresh server and fresh client |
| 15:05 |
Taoki |
Ah, ok then |
| 15:05 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: I am at git HEAD minus a few commits. |
| 15:05 |
Taoki |
VanessaE: So it still works for you? This is quite interesting now... |
| 15:05 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: no, his server does not work for me. |
| 15:05 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: but my servers do. |
| 15:05 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: try my server. |
| 15:06 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: digitalaudioconcepts.com 30005 |
| 15:06 |
Taoki |
VanessaE: And you can connect to your server with your cloent, both latest GIT master? |
| 15:06 |
Taoki |
**client |
| 15:06 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: both are close enough to latest git to matter, yes |
| 15:07 |
VanessaE |
my server is at commit 458045d49fd96cf19bdd61b2f8dbdbc0fd11b587 |
| 15:07 |
meldrian_onTour |
Hi, i like to mention that the ppa-link on launchpad for lucid-users got a typo in it. it says "stabl" instead of "stable". Somebody might fix that, so far the link's not working |
| 15:07 |
Taoki |
Ok. Close might not be accurate enough. Can you please update to latest and try there? |
| 15:07 |
VanessaE |
(which is three commits behind HEAD - I pulled last night just before hmmmm put his latest mapgen v7 stuff in) |
| 15:08 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: ^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 15:08 |
Taoki |
VanessaE: Maybe those changes could be a cause? I would suggest we try with latest GIT |
| 15:08 |
Taoki |
To be sure |
| 15:08 |
VanessaE |
my client is at the same commit also. |
| 15:08 |
VanessaE |
so both are up to date as of last night. |
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| 15:09 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: I can't update right now, my server has people on it. |
| 15:09 |
Taoki |
ok |
| 15:09 |
VanessaE |
well I can stage it for later of cours.e.. |
| 15:09 |
Taoki |
Trying to connect withlatest client, which for me is broken locally |
| 15:09 |
Taoki |
It worked |
| 15:10 |
VanessaE |
ok, pulling to lastest git for my client... |
| 15:10 |
VanessaE |
I can at least do that much |
| 15:11 |
VanessaE |
server's been updated but it won't deploy until the next restart, tomorrow morning. |
| 15:11 |
VanessaE |
(or if it crashes in the meantime) |
| 15:12 |
Taoki |
Matest GIt client works well. Which means it might be a server issue |
| 15:13 |
VanessaE |
latest git doesn't work for me on megaf's server. |
| 15:13 |
Megaf_ |
It does not depend on client version |
| 15:13 |
Megaf_ |
its totally a server side issue |
| 15:13 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: it's definitely something screwed up on your server config |
| 15:13 |
VanessaE |
maybe a write permissions issue or something |
| 15:14 |
Taoki |
Likely means Megaf_ server uses latest GIT |
| 15:14 |
Megaf_ |
yep |
| 15:14 |
VanessaE |
Taoki: my servers use latest git |
| 15:14 |
Megaf_ |
from couple of minutes ago |
| 15:14 |
VanessaE |
they're only three commits back and they work fine. |
| 15:14 |
VanessaE |
and those commits are for mapgen v7 stuff |
| 15:14 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: you're not using mapgen v7 are you? |
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| 15:16 |
Megaf_ |
VanessaE: that happens on my v6 server, now its working because what I said earlier, and I dont know about this latest one, I just cloned it, compiled it and runned it |
| 15:16 |
Megaf_ |
s/runned/ran |
| 15:16 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: I mean on your world config. |
| 15:16 |
Megaf_ |
VanessaE: https://paste.debian.net/80115/ |
| 15:17 |
VanessaE |
BAH! stop using https with an invalid certificate! |
| 15:17 |
Megaf_ |
its not invalid, check you clock |
| 15:17 |
VanessaE |
"This Connection is Untrusted |
| 15:17 |
VanessaE |
You have asked Firefox to connect securely to paste.debian.net, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure. |
| 15:17 |
VanessaE |
Normally, when you try to connect securely, sites will present trusted identification to prove that you are going to the right place. However, this site's identity can't be verified." |
| 15:18 |
VanessaE |
Technical details says -----> "paste.debian.net uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown." |
| 15:18 |
VanessaE |
so yeah. |
| 15:18 |
VanessaE |
please don't tell me what I'm reading |
| 15:18 |
Megaf_ |
I have nothing to do with that |
| 15:19 |
VanessaE |
don't use a pastebin that throws invalid certificates. just use a plaintext pastebin. |
| 15:19 |
VanessaE |
anyways, |
| 15:19 |
VanessaE |
what is your world config on the "dead" server? |
| 15:19 |
VanessaE |
is it mapgen v7? |
| 15:20 |
Megaf_ |
v6 |
| 15:20 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 15:20 |
Megaf_ |
VanessaE: my other server is fine, with an older commit, megaf.no-ip.info 30003 |
| 15:21 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE: The CA is probably not well known. Downloading their cert should fix it. |
| 15:21 |
ShadowNinja |
BTW, those commits touched all mapgens. |
| 15:22 |
Megaf_ |
ShadowNinja: I have a site with self signed certificate, firefox will alway complay about that, and so will chrome |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
ok we have a problem. |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
ShadowNinja: --> -dev |
| 15:22 |
Megaf_ |
ShadowNinja: is there anything I can do about that? |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: I can confirm your bug now. |
| 15:22 |
VanessaE |
I just reproduced it locally in sp. |
| 15:23 |
Megaf_ |
VanessaE: my bug, Taoki's bug and PenguinDad's bug |
| 15:23 |
VanessaE |
well whoever you want to assign it to |
| 15:24 |
ShadowNinja |
kwolekr's bug. :-) |
| 15:25 |
Megaf_ |
VanessaE: by the way, it was pretty quick to connect to your server |
| 15:25 |
VanessaE |
it always is |
| 15:25 |
VanessaE |
I've put in much effort to improve it |
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| 15:27 |
VanessaE |
at least as much as I can as the operator and from a modding standpoint anyway |
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| 15:35 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: for safety, I'm rolling back my server to 284fc0b8 per your suggestion. |
| 15:35 |
VanessaE |
(just in case some random mod causes a restart. don't need a bad build causing users to panic) |
| 15:36 |
Megaf_ |
VanessaE: you are doing good |
| 15:36 |
Megaf_ |
I have nothing to complain about 284fc0b8 |
| 15:36 |
Megaf_ |
And you know very well that I complain a lot |
| 15:37 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 15:37 |
VanessaE |
complaints are good |
| 15:37 |
VanessaE |
especially if you pipe them into an issue report as you did |
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| 15:40 |
Megaf_ |
lol. I did a pacman like thing with pipeworks |
| 15:41 |
Megaf_ |
nodes are wandering in a pipe mesh |
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| 15:41 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 15:41 |
VanessaE |
nodes/ |
| 15:41 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 15:42 |
Megaf_ |
not nodes, they kids |
| 15:42 |
Megaf_ |
the small ones |
| 15:42 |
Megaf_ |
I have an automated cactus growing farm |
| 15:42 |
Megaf_ |
to use them as fuel |
| 15:43 |
Megaf_ |
and I was remaking the piping work, so for a small period of time I got a mesh of pipes, and small cactus itemns started to wander around |
| 15:44 |
Megaf_ |
I can even stop them growing |
| 15:45 |
VanessaE |
oh haha |
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Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/2cBIcGg.jpg |
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| 16:16 |
Enke |
Now you just need the two old men playing checkers1 |
| 16:16 |
Jordach |
Enke, 1 week 3 days until 4K mayhem |
| 16:17 |
Enke |
OboyOboyOboyOboyOboyOboyOboyOboy |
| 16:17 |
Jordach |
i mean multiple renders in one day |
| 16:17 |
Jordach |
(i've built the scenes beforehand) |
| 16:18 |
Enke |
Right. |
| 16:18 |
Jordach |
my upload is going to be strained as fuck |
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Jordach |
minus the HDX; http://i.imgur.com/cUEMuzR.png |
| 16:20 |
VanessaE |
see? HDX makes everything better :D |
| 16:20 |
Jordach |
not my fault blender attempts to be Photorealistic |
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VanessaE |
Jordach: I have a marble texture that would look good on that plate: |
| 16:22 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, later |
| 16:22 |
VanessaE |
see msg |
| 16:23 |
VanessaE |
too late :) |
| 16:23 |
VanessaE |
you're committed now ;) |
| 16:23 |
Jordach |
NOT THE PINGS! NOT THE PINGS!!! |
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* VanessaE |
pings Jordach randomly :) |
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VanessaE |
haha |
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* VanessaE |
pings J0rdach randomly some more ;) |
| 16:35 |
Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/qyMGuVn.png |
| 16:35 |
EvergreenTree |
Pin |
| 16:35 |
EvergreenTree |
*Ping |
| 16:35 |
VanessaE |
ok now a metal texture..... lesse.. |
| 16:35 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, no noise pl0x |
| 16:35 |
VanessaE |
brushed or smooth?\ |
| 16:35 |
Jordach |
metal curlery IRL don't have much noise (because you can't see the fucking things at a distance) |
| 16:36 |
VanessaE |
well derp, let your virtual camera's depth of focus handle it like it's supposed to? |
| 16:36 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, blender doesn't have DoF by default |
| 16:36 |
Jordach |
you have to composite it |
| 16:36 |
VanessaE |
seriously? O_o |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
don't overdo DoF |
| 16:37 |
Calinou |
better have none than too much |
| 16:37 |
VanessaE |
you didn't answer me - brushed or smooth? :) |
| 16:37 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, most 3D rendering raytracers are like that |
| 16:37 |
Jordach |
brushed smooth |
| 16:38 |
Jordach |
but seriously keep it blurry as fuck |
| 16:39 |
Jordach |
whoever decided to /give Jordach ctcp:ping is an asshole |
| 16:40 |
VanessaE |
mmmm |
| 16:40 |
VanessaE |
I have nothing suitable for flateware/cutlery. |
| 16:40 |
VanessaE |
- |
| 16:40 |
VanessaE |
-e |
| 16:41 |
Megaf_ |
"/give Jordach ctcp:ping" |
| 16:41 |
Megaf_ |
it would be cool an IRC client that follows minetest syntax |
| 16:41 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/XsAXurA.png <- anybetter? |
| 16:42 |
VanessaE |
the closest I have is this: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/images/moreores_silver_block.jpg |
| 16:42 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, take a picture of some cutlery them |
| 16:42 |
Jordach |
s/m/n |
| 16:43 |
VanessaE |
(when applied to the flatware, the texture will probably disappear due to the scaling anyway) |
| 16:43 |
Jordach |
get a colour down and i can replicate in blender |
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| 16:44 |
Capt_j |
I need help with a bug |
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: with the flatware I use, it's straight silver-grey, no color shift at all |
| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
you need to add reflective properties to it |
| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
e.g. the chairs/table/plates need to reflect off of the flatware after you apply your texture |
| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
unless you're going for a titanium look anyway |
| 16:46 |
Megaf_ |
Capt_j: what bug? |
| 16:46 |
Megaf_ |
the grey screen of death? |
| 16:46 |
Megaf_ |
gray* |
| 16:46 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, already supported by blender |
| 16:46 |
Capt_j |
Well I was playing on the server, everything was going fine |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
Jordach: so I assumed. |
| 16:46 |
Capt_j |
then I got interact permission, and when I try to break a block i crash |
| 16:46 |
Capt_j |
and i cant login to the server with that account again |
| 16:47 |
Capt_j |
and I got that gray screen thing sometimes when I try |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
he was probably playing on my server :) |
| 16:47 |
Capt_j |
yeagh |
| 16:47 |
Capt_j |
I was haha. |
| 16:47 |
Capt_j |
I am Havixil/Jeremy |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
hi Jeremy/Jeremy2 :) |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
are you using an Android client? |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
if so, we can't fix that |
| 16:47 |
Capt_j |
im in ubuntu |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 16:48 |
Jordach |
VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/y2hqx30.png |
| 16:48 |
Jordach |
any better? |
| 16:48 |
VanessaE |
a bit, yeah |
| 16:48 |
VanessaE |
but G*d those low rez textures :) |
| 16:48 |
Jordach |
can't help that :P |
| 16:49 |
Megaf_ |
Jordach: don´t you have updates to do? |
| 16:49 |
Jordach |
updates? |
| 16:49 |
Capt_j |
so is there a way to fix my problem? |
| 16:49 |
Jordach |
Capt_j, sounds like drivers |
| 16:49 |
Megaf_ |
Jordach: thos two exclamation marks |
| 16:49 |
VanessaE |
Capt_j: proprietary drivers? how old is your minetest version? |
| 16:49 |
Capt_j |
i think i got latest but how do I check minetest version |
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Jordach |
Megaf_, i ignore them - it tries to give me GIMP 2.8 |
| 16:50 |
Capt_j |
Minetest 0.4.9 it says |
| 16:50 |
Jordach |
Capt_j, try ubuntu menu -> Settings -> Additional Drivers |
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Megaf_ |
why are you teeling him stuff about drivers? You dont even know what his GPU is |
| 16:51 |
Megaf_ |
what if he got an Intel |
| 16:51 |
Jordach |
Megaf_, usually the cause with ubuntu |
| 16:51 |
Capt_j |
yeah I think its intel |
| 16:51 |
Jordach |
GMA, HD 1/2/3/4XXX? |
| 16:51 |
Megaf_ |
And the gray thing its a now well know bug |
| 16:51 |
Capt_j |
its an old comp, decided to play minetest since my xbox live is done haha |
| 16:52 |
Capt_j |
ill check graphics one sec |
| 16:53 |
Capt_j |
ah its integrated :( |
| 16:53 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: if he's using Ubuntu and 0.4.9, he won't be hit by that bug yet - he was able to sign onto my server and start to dig... |
| 16:54 |
Capt_j |
do you know why this occurs when I break blocks tho? |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
Capt_j: in your settings menu, is "preload item visuals" turned on? |
| 16:55 |
Capt_j |
i think its off lemme check |
| 16:55 |
Capt_j |
its off |
| 16:55 |
VanessaE |
Capt_j: try turning it on and see how it behaves then |
| 16:55 |
Capt_j |
alright. |
| 16:55 |
VanessaE |
and also turn off things like bumpmapping. |
| 16:55 |
VanessaE |
fiddle with those settings, see what effect they have for you |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
if you find a combination that works, please report it |
| 16:56 |
Capt_j |
yeah I had shaders turned off |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
and also, |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
ok good |
| 16:56 |
Capt_j |
what about filters |
| 16:56 |
Capt_j |
anisotropic? |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
at some point if you can get us a gdb trace of the crash and file a bug report at https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/new it would be most helpul |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
turn that off too |
| 16:57 |
VanessaE |
turn everything off for now |
| 16:57 |
VanessaE |
(except smooth lighting, fancy trees and 3d clouds) |
| 16:58 |
Capt_j |
im logged in as havixil2 |
| 16:58 |
Capt_j |
smooth lighting, fancy trees and 3d clouds on |
| 16:58 |
Capt_j |
everything else off |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
try it. |
| 17:00 |
Capt_j |
well |
| 17:00 |
Capt_j |
it let me break a block and crashed right after the block disappeared |
| 17:01 |
VanessaE |
and you just timed out |
| 17:01 |
VanessaE |
now, what happens if you sign into that account again? |
| 17:01 |
VanessaE |
and what error did it give you? |
| 17:01 |
Capt_j |
draw hotbar() mainlist null |
| 17:01 |
Capt_j |
something like that |
| 17:01 |
Capt_j |
in grey screen |
| 17:01 |
Capt_j |
I could see my hand for a second |
| 17:02 |
VanessaE |
ignore that |
| 17:02 |
VanessaE |
that's a server glitch actually |
| 17:02 |
VanessaE |
in your console |
| 17:02 |
Capt_j |
okay |
| 17:02 |
VanessaE |
launch minetest from a terminal |
| 17:02 |
Capt_j |
k |
| 17:02 |
Capt_j |
in .minetest rite? |
| 17:02 |
Capt_j |
o |
| 17:02 |
VanessaE |
you don't need to be in any specific dir |
| 17:03 |
VanessaE |
just open a terminal and run 'minetest' |
| 17:03 |
VanessaE |
then copy&paste the output from the terminal into a pastebin site like pastebin.ubuntu.com and give us the link to the result. |
| 17:03 |
Capt_j |
Unsupported texture format Mesa 8.0.4 implementation error: unexpected format GL_DEPTH_COMPONENT in _mesa_choose_tex_format() |
| 17:03 |
VanessaE |
don't paste it here |
| 17:03 |
Capt_j |
oh haha |
| 17:03 |
VanessaE |
however, |
| 17:03 |
VanessaE |
that may be notable :) |
| 17:04 |
VanessaE |
sounds like your video driver is b0rk3d :) |
| 17:04 |
VanessaE |
what version of ubuntu? |
| 17:05 |
Capt_j |
12.04 but i have another HDD with the latest version of ubuntu |
| 17:05 |
VanessaE |
odd |
| 17:06 |
VanessaE |
I run it on 12.04 also |
| 17:06 |
VanessaE |
but I build from sources. |
| 17:06 |
Capt_j |
but intel video driver installer doesnt work above 12.04 |
| 17:06 |
VanessaE |
but I also don't use any kind of onboard gfx |
| 17:06 |
VanessaE |
that may be why. |
| 17:06 |
Megaf_ |
VanessaE: did you build the whole Ubuntu? |
| 17:06 |
VanessaE |
you need to gt your video driver sorted first. |
| 17:06 |
Capt_j |
yeah I usually only use this comp for internet and stuff and game on the 360 |
| 17:06 |
Capt_j |
but really want to play minetest :D |
| 17:06 |
Capt_j |
since I seem to get stable framerates lol |
| 17:07 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: nope. straight, clean 12.04 with just my usual set of stuff from apt, plus minetest built from git sources. |
| 17:07 |
* Jordach |
has the same |
| 17:07 |
VanessaE |
Capt_j: ok, get your video driver fixed first, then go get minetest sources from this link: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/archive/284fc0b88569075187019a1b311312e64e79d937.zip |
| 17:07 |
Capt_j |
vannesa btw http://pastebin.com/fb0aL8Dk |
| 17:07 |
VanessaE |
then compile the sources using these instructions: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/284fc0b88569075187019a1b311312e64e79d937/README.txt#L83 |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
(the special link is to make sure you get a very recent copy of the minetest source but NOT the latest, which is presently broken) |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
now looking at your link.... |
| 17:08 |
Capt_j |
seems to crash after Loaded texture: /usr/share/minetest/textures/base/pack/sunrisebg.png |
| 17:08 |
VanessaE |
hah! floating point exception. Nice :) |
| 17:09 |
Capt_j |
huh |
| 17:09 |
VanessaE |
that mesa error tells me it's all in your video driver, so fix that first. |
| 17:09 |
Capt_j |
it cant into math lol? |
| 17:09 |
Capt_j |
okay ill download the intel driver downloader |
| 17:11 |
Capt_j |
yeh intel says the driver app supports my specific one |
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Capt_j |
brb |
| 17:16 |
Megaf_ |
I never had such issues |
| 17:16 |
Megaf_ |
Well, I use Debian... |
| 17:17 |
PenguinDad |
i use fedora and i never had driver issues weird |
| 17:18 |
Megaf_ |
yep, and minetest works fine with my EeePC 701 (GMA oldish slowish) Celeron @ 630 MHz Slow Edition |
| 17:19 |
Megaf_ |
VanessaE: perhaps that file is borked /usr/share/minetest/textures/base/pack/sunrisebg.png |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
Megaf_: even if it is, a program should never misbehave like that because of a damaged image file. |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
either load the file and try to render it, or don't load the file at all. |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
however |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
if you'd noticed, |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
he said he already can play the game |
| 17:20 |
VanessaE |
but he crashes as soon as he digs a block |
| 17:21 |
VanessaE |
so the sunrise image is not the issue |
| 17:21 |
VanessaE |
the issue is the render-to-texture routine |
| 17:21 |
VanessaE |
and what driver feature irrlicht uses to achieve that function |
| 17:21 |
VanessaE |
which means his driver is b0rk3d. |
| 17:22 |
Jordach |
if you're planning on gaming and using MESA drivers, you're statistically fucked |
| 17:24 |
PenguinDad |
my card works fine with free drivers |
| 17:24 |
* sfan5 |
throws Jordach at Jordach |
| 17:24 |
Jordach |
what |
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Megaf_ |
PenguinDad: so do mine |
| 17:25 |
Megaf_ |
I use a Radeon HD 4200 |
| 17:25 |
Megaf_ |
works fine with open source driver |
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Megaf_ |
sfan5: That was heavy |
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PenguinDad |
i have a nvidia GTX 650 |
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* Jordach |
re-runs cloth sim |
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Jordach |
0.04 fps |
| 17:27 |
Jordach |
oh fuck |
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* sfan5 |
猫ã‚Jordachã«æŠ•ã’ã‚‹ |
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Jordach |
engrish |
| 17:31 |
* Megaf_ |
starts do wonder a Pineapple Clock and a Pine Apple and a Pine Apple Clock |
| 17:31 |
pineappleclock |
good question |
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Megaf_ |
Jordach: you could render what I'm wondering about |
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Capt_J |
Vanessa I think I found a temp solution for my problem lol |
| 17:35 |
VanessaE |
oh? |
| 17:36 |
Capt_J |
I found a third HDD with windows xp on it lol |
| 17:36 |
Capt_J |
so might try playing on windows |
| 17:36 |
VanessaE |
ew |
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Capt_J |
its available for windows right? |
| 17:36 |
VanessaE |
yeah |
| 17:36 |
Capt_J |
i know ew lol |
| 17:36 |
Capt_J |
but i wanna playyy ;D |
| 17:37 |
VanessaE |
I told you to fix your busted driver and compile it from sources :) |
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Capt_J |
i cant fix driver |
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Capt_J |
not supported for ubuntu 12.04 |
| 17:38 |
Capt_J |
doesnt work for latest either :/ |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
hrm |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
maybe the latest ubuntu won't need it? |
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Capt_J |
i tried on latest |
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Capt_J |
3d wont even work without drivers lol |
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| 17:48 |
Megaf_ |
lubuntu is ok |
| 17:48 |
Megaf_ |
not that bad |
| 17:49 |
Megaf_ |
give a try to Debian 7.3 |
| 17:49 |
Megaf_ |
you can isntall gnome, kde, lxde or whatever you want |
| 17:51 |
Capt_J |
cool |
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Capt_J |
will it run okay on this old comp haha |
| 17:54 |
VanessaE |
I use Xubuntu here (12.04) |
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VanessaE |
and debian on my server |
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Megaf_ |
Capt_J: you will be quite happy with Debian and XFCE |
| 17:56 |
Megaf_ |
or even GNOME |
| 17:56 |
Megaf_ |
Capt_J: I use Debian 7 with GNOME on a Celeron 630 Mhz |
| 17:57 |
Capt_J |
can I install debian through usb if I get the iso? |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
sure |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
I've done that before. |
| 17:59 |
VanessaE |
pretty much all distros can do that now can't they? |
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Capt_J |
beats me |
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Megaf_ |
yep, my netbook doesnt have a cdrom |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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Capt_J |
well im going to install debian on the HDD and hope my wireless adapter is supported haha |
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SylvieLorxu |
Wouldn't you want to check fi... okay |
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Megaf_ |
Hi PilzAdam, How are things? |
| 18:06 |
PilzAdam |
good? |
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Megaf_ |
Are they? |
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PilzAdam |
I havent really though about the details yet, but in general I think they are good |
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PilzAdam |
"Option 5, rollback what you changed and change again only when you have a solution." https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1132#issuecomment-34066760 |
| 18:16 |
PilzAdam |
Megaf_, you shouldnt use dev versions if you want stuff to work |
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* rubenwardy_ |
is playing SH2 |
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rubenwardy |
heh |
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Megaf_ |
PilzAdam: I used to use only stable version, than every single time I had an issue people here would always tell me that it was fixed already on the dev version... |
| 18:41 |
Megaf_ |
and they always told me the stable was old |
| 18:41 |
PilzAdam |
Megaf_, you shouldnt listen to people who tell you to use unstable versions |
| 18:41 |
Megaf_ |
now finally I'm using dev, getting some bugs fixed and you tell me to use stable |
| 18:42 |
Megaf_ |
PilzAdam: in that case, I should not listen to any dev here |
| 18:42 |
Megaf_ |
PilzAdam: anyway, I'm pretty happy with the commit im using |
| 18:43 |
PilzAdam |
if you use dev then dont complain if things are not working |
| 18:43 |
PilzAdam |
you can tell us about it (and you should do that), but you are not allowed to complain |
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Megaf_ |
all right sir |
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Megaf_ |
I'm sorry |
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Megaf_ |
folks, you can add #Minetest-Br to the minetest site, for the Brazilian minetest channel |
| 19:32 |
Megaf_ |
here > http://minetest.net/irc |
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Megaf_ |
#Minetest-Br Brazilian Channel |
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ShadowNinja |
If we add that we should also add -es and anything in the ENTRYMSG. |
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ShadowNinja |
Only -de and -es are in the ENTRYMSG though. |
| 19:40 |
EvergreenTree |
It looks like it is part of ENTRYMSG |
| 19:41 |
Megaf_ |
VanessaE: You are using this mod, areant you? (markers) https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=124128 |
| 19:41 |
Megaf_ |
Is it as good as it looks? |
| 19:41 |
VanessaE |
it works pretty well for most |
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Megaf_ |
Sokomine: congrats for your mod, the way you got to the way it is is pretty good |
| 19:42 |
ShadowNinja |
The code style could use work. But it makes it even easier to use areas. |
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Megaf_ |
"It tries to make it far easier by taking into account what I've seen players do when they want to show a moderator which area they want." |
| 19:43 |
Megaf_ |
I think that could be an even friendly markers like mod |
| 19:43 |
Megaf_ |
something with height and deep pre defined on server side |
| 19:43 |
Megaf_ |
or it could use some variable from areas mod |
| 19:44 |
Megaf_ |
or in areas mod could be a pre defined area, like, 20x40x20 |
| 19:45 |
Megaf_ |
And I think description should really need, but rather optional |
| 19:56 |
Sokomine |
Megaf_: thanks. yes, that was how/why i developed this mod |
| 19:57 |
Sokomine |
Megaf_: you can change what is suggested as height and depth. players who mark areas usually do not take that into account. they usually just ask for "as high as possible" or some rounded-up number |
| 19:59 |
Sokomine |
the description is helpful once the areas get more. otherwise, you won't know what area 1234 actually stands for. location, size and owner may be hints, but without the area name, you generally don't have any idea |
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twoelk |
Is there any way to dump the areas list to local file? |
| 20:02 |
Sokomine |
what would a preconfigured area be good for? i see some point to it in certain situations - admins/moderators/town owners may set up areas of land for settlement |
| 20:02 |
twoelk |
I would love to feed such a list to a mapping tool |
| 20:02 |
Sokomine |
twoelk: you mean: from another server? one you do not control? no |
| 20:02 |
twoelk |
:-( |
| 20:02 |
Sokomine |
ah, yes. if you have control over the server, it works. the data is a normal lua table |
| 20:02 |
Sokomine |
twoelk: regarding redcrab? |
| 20:02 |
twoelk |
for example |
| 20:03 |
twoelk |
like the overlay on landrush server map |
| 20:04 |
twoelk |
been fiddling with such things for a while now |
| 20:04 |
Sokomine |
twoelk: with redcrab, you might be helped. moderators there have access to the list. it is not yet the areas mod - shadowninja said something about his mod beeing able to import the data from its predecessor (which still runs on redcrab) |
| 20:04 |
twoelk |
sounds interesting |
| 20:04 |
Sokomine |
ah, yes. i think such a map would be very intresting |
| 20:04 |
Sokomine |
it might even help as a map for general orientation (i.e. "where am i on this server? where are the major buildings?") |
| 20:04 |
twoelk |
it would show where people have build |
| 20:05 |
Sokomine |
at least what is protected, yes |
| 20:05 |
twoelk |
or at least consider worth protecting something |
| 20:05 |
* twoelk |
types slooowly |
| 20:05 |
ShadowNinja |
With a few lines of code you should be able to make areas use JSON, whish will be easily readable by JavaScript. |
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Jordach |
http://i.imgur.com/7JZdFj6.png |
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twoelk |
that sounds like it could be fed to openlayers or leaflet |
| 20:13 |
ShadowNinja |
twoelk: Apply this and add areas:save() somewhere after areas:load(). |
| 20:14 |
ShadowNinja |
http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6874981/ |
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ShadowNinja |
Produces this with my test world: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6874989/ |
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ShadowNinja |
With Json::StyledWriter: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6874996/ |
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harrison |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZHJ_jpqkwo |
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EvergreenTree |
tsetenim_nhoj olleh |
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EvergreenTree |
!rev MinetestBot |
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MinetestBot |
toBtseteniM |
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EvergreenTree |
ping free greeting |
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EvergreenTree |
:P |
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ShadowNinja |
Jordach: Is https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/234 fixed in SamII+capes? |
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MinetestBot |
hello john_minetest |
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* Jordach |
can't be bothered about academia and decides life skills courses are the way to go |
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Jordach |
i dislike the idea of learn learn learn when it never fucking comes up in real life |
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Jordach |
john_minetest, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-040214-210721.php |
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Jordach |
i'm currently 2/6 4K images |
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pineappleclock |
is stuff like the nether ever going to be implemented in core minetest or will that need to be some sort of mod? |
| 21:18 |
VanessaE |
probably never. |
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VanessaE |
nether is a minecraft thing. I don't think anyone really wants that in minetest by default |
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pineappleclock |
is there a up-to-date roadmap? |
| 21:21 |
VanessaE |
minetest_game is more or less done, nothing major is planned for it I guess |
| 21:21 |
VanessaE |
engine stuff is all anyone's doing now. |
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pineappleclock |
I'd like to get into development but I have a lot of C++ catching up to do |
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Daimanu |
hi everyone |
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ShadowNinja |
Those open movies don't seem to make much sense story-wise, but they show off blender's capabilities pretty well. |
| 21:36 |
ShadowNinja |
The exception being the bunny one, I think... |
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ShadowNinja |
(In the first point) |
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sfan5 |
avi |
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sfan5 |
why avi? |
| 21:41 |
sfan5 |
avi is shit |
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sfan5 |
ffmpeg -i somefile.avi -vcodec libx264 -crf 20 -acodec libopus somefile.mkv |
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sfan5 |
if your ffmpeg doesn't support opus: https://gist.github.com/sfan5/8672767#file-ffbuild-sh |
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PilzAdam |
bye |
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sfan5 |
good night |
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Megaf_ |
VanessaE: ping |
| 22:37 |
VanessaE |
pong |
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Jordach |
pliong |
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Megaf_ |
VanessaE: Id like to know your opnion on something in my server, related to pipeworks, can you join briefly please? |
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Megaf_ |
!up megaf.no-ip.info 30003 |
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MinetestBot |
megaf.no-ip.info:30003 is up (709ms) |
| 22:38 |
VanessaE |
not now |
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HI |
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Jordach |
!deop VanessaE |
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Jordach |
!next |
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MinetestBot |
Another satisfied customer. Next! |
| 22:41 |
VanessaE |
haha |
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VanessaE |
chickenshit :) |
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EvergreenTree |
My computer knocked down two 4k renders for Jordach in 30 seconds. :D |
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iqualfragile |
EvergreenTree: http://z0r.de/1838 |
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EvergreenTree |
lol |
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hoodedice |
Ubuntu is being a jerk |
| 22:58 |
hoodedice |
Removed ia32-libs, and made it almost impossible to install it |
| 22:58 |
fwilson |
hoodedice: of course, it's ubuntu! |
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hoodedice |
*Xubuntu. |
| 22:59 |
fwilson |
still buntu :p |
| 22:59 |
fwilson |
try Gentoo on ia64! |
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hoodedice |
Ah, true stereotype |
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fwilson |
that was a _pain_ |
| 22:59 |
hoodedice |
The son is being discriminated due to his father. |
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* fwilson |
<3 his itanium cluster |
| 23:00 |
hoodedice |
And all I want to do is play a visual novel. |
| 23:00 |
hoodedice |
^.^ |
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fwilson |
:p |
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hoodedice |
WHY ARE YOU REMOVING THOSE PACKAGES?! |
| 23:01 |
hoodedice |
Worst thing is that linux doesn't have srs, or something similar |
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harrison |
hoodedice: i can tell you what is happening |
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frogcrush |
Wait... Visual novels exist? |
| 23:01 |
hoodedice |
But music is still awesomer than windows without srs |
| 23:01 |
hoodedice |
Yes, harrison? |
| 23:01 |
harrison |
ia32libs goes away. it no longer exists with the new kernels |
| 23:02 |
hoodedice |
I've seen the forums |
| 23:02 |
harrison |
you will have to use multiarch |
| 23:02 |
hoodedice |
They tried to do another mir here |
| 23:02 |
harrison |
at first it is a huge hassle |
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harrison |
but |
| 23:02 |
harrison |
we cannot stop progress |
| 23:02 |
hoodedice |
That's what it is! I just can't configure multiarch properly |
| 23:03 |
hoodedice |
Worst of all, it gives me that crappy 'file not found' shit |
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Peacock |
i was gonna update today for the skybox and kickplayer functions but i hear the latest git is not loading maps, fixed yet? |
| 23:06 |
hoodedice |
!g minetest git |
| 23:06 |
MinetestBot |
hoodedice: https://github.com/minetest/minetest |
| 23:06 |
VanessaE |
nope, not fixed yet. |
| 23:06 |
hoodedice |
Do it yourself XP |
| 23:06 |
VanessaE |
don't update beyond 458045d49f. |
| 23:06 |
Peacock |
well ill hold off then im not good git kung fu lol |
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| 23:07 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm's commits last night broke the emergethread or something |
| 23:07 |
hoodedice |
Oh great. Thanks VanessaE. |
| 23:07 |
hoodedice |
Maybe he was drunk XD? |
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Peacock |
i thought all he changed was that mapgen params function.. |
| 23:10 |
VanessaE |
idk what all was changed. |
| 23:10 |
Peacock |
weird i can't find those pulls in closed :/ |
| 23:11 |
hoodedice |
just great... |
| 23:12 |
hoodedice |
The awesome software center removed itself, or I derped. |
| 23:12 |
EvergreenTree |
Does this require a hard reset? |
| 23:12 |
Peacock |
ah found them on his gh profile/page whatever it's called |
| 23:12 |
Peacock |
update minetest.conf, overhaul mapgenparams, and add no-exception of get method... im guessing its the last one |
| 23:14 |
* hoodedice |
installs python x32 bit, Software center commits suicide. |
| 23:14 |
Peacock |
ugh, python lol |
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* hoodedice |
Fixes Software center, python x32 bit commits suicide. |
| 23:14 |
Peacock |
i have a collection of scripts that each use different versions of python, so obviously they all have to be installed lol |
| 23:14 |
hoodedice |
Oh, how I love ubuntu |
| 23:15 |
hoodedice |
Using ubuntu 64 bit was my greatest mistake |
| 23:15 |
Peacock |
well you might have some 64/32bit compat issues somewhere |
| 23:15 |
hoodedice |
Peacock, how much RAM does your server use? |
| 23:15 |
Peacock |
ah fuck i forget how much this box has |
| 23:16 |
hoodedice |
Ren'py. Half the novels I got are 32 fcking bit |
| 23:16 |
Peacock |
where do i find my ram? (kinda miss the 'System Properties' from win right about now lol) |
| 23:17 |
hoodedice |
I think it was |
| 23:18 |
hoodedice |
lshw? |
| 23:18 |
Peacock |
that was stupid it's written on conky lol |
| 23:18 |
Peacock |
3.45gb |
| 23:18 |
hoodedice |
sudo lshw |
| 23:18 |
hoodedice |
lol |
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Peacock |
im guessing the 0.45 is the video memory |
| 23:18 |
hoodedice |
Well, last time, with Nodetopia, and 30+ mods. 4 players on max, used 2 GB |
| 23:18 |
hoodedice |
I have 4 |
| 23:18 |
Peacock |
in any case minetest server doesn't use up all my ram but it tends to max out both cores (cpu) somehow |
| 23:18 |
hoodedice |
Well, mine ran 50% on aerage |
| 23:19 |
hoodedice |
Celeron - no heating at all |
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hoodedice |
It gets hotter on IRC than on minetest XD |
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Peacock |
odd lol i get decent ram and bad cpu perf |
| 23:19 |
Peacock |
vlc playing bluray uses less cpu lol |
| 23:20 |
hoodedice |
Celeron is just freakin awesome. |
| 23:21 |
hoodedice |
If only intel didn't lock it... |
| 23:21 |
Peacock |
i'll be sure to tell him next i see him |
| 23:21 |
hoodedice |
=| |
| 23:21 |
hoodedice |
Lame. |
| 23:21 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 23:21 |
Peacock |
well 99% of the time that's who they're talking about here |
| 23:21 |
Peacock |
i thought they stopped making the chips years ago |
| 23:22 |
hoodedice |
This is a touchscreen laptop with Windows 8. I guess it mst be 2013 or later |
| 23:22 |
Peacock |
ugh, touch screen |
| 23:22 |
hoodedice |
Meh, I like it. |
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* Enke |
shivers |
| 23:23 |
Peacock |
yeah but for 25 fucking years i've getting pissed at people who come over and stick their fingers on my screens to point at things... now with touchscreens they have an excuse "oh i thought.." lol |
| 23:23 |
hoodedice |
On laptops, it is actually practicable |
| 23:23 |
hoodedice |
rofl. For me, problem is only my 2 year old cousin |
| 23:23 |
hoodedice |
That guy is, well *something bad which I would not like to call my cousin anyway* |
| 23:24 |
hoodedice |
He comes over and taps the screen. ANd since he knows it ticks me off, he does it EVEN more! |
| 23:25 |
Peacock |
what was even worse though was armchair-experts installing random shit and changing configs lol |
| 23:25 |
Peacock |
windows users stopped doing that, linux users just install linux on unsuspecting windows users (correlation?) :p |
| 23:26 |
hoodedice |
I don't exactly get you? |
| 23:26 |
hoodedice |
Please use simple english. |
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Enke |
Peacock: revenge. |
| 23:26 |
Peacock |
well in the 90s, people would install random apps (on win) claiming it would make things better, it usually just turned out to be spyware/toolbars |
| 23:27 |
Peacock |
some would completely bork your setup after promising to make it faster lol |
| 23:27 |
hoodedice |
oh. |
| 23:27 |
hoodedice |
It still happens even now XD |
| 23:27 |
Peacock |
nowadays its mostly linux advocates installing linux on unsuspecting windows users (hoping they won't notice lol) |
| 23:28 |
hoodedice |
=| |
| 23:28 |
Peacock |
though i didn't complain, a lot of those unsuspecting windows users came to me and paid me to set things back the way they were lol |
| 23:28 |
VanessaE |
honestly, I've never heard of anyone doing that would the user's permission |
| 23:29 |
VanessaE |
or if the windows install was totally botched and HAD to be rewritten anyway |
| 23:29 |
VanessaE |
in which case it was always "try this, if you don't like it, tell me." |
| 23:29 |
VanessaE |
(never done that myself, though) |
| 23:30 |
Peacock |
well like i said, those idiots did it for free, i got paid to set things back lol |
| 23:30 |
Peacock |
a lot of them were told they'd notice no difference, until they tried getting their favorite app/game to work |
| 23:30 |
VanessaE |
really though, when you have to fix a person's OS too often, you have four choices: 1. say "no" and deal wth the fallout; 2. charge money; 3. keep reinstalling and do it for free; 4. install something that's less likely to break. |
| 23:31 |
Peacock |
4: not linux, thats OSX lol |
| 23:31 |
Peacock |
1: if you're not getting paid, yeah don't bother |
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Peacock |
2: thumbs up |
| 23:31 |
Peacock |
3: give em a crash course on not clicking/installing random shit |
| 23:32 |
VanessaE |
4: OSX on commodity PCs? I think Apple will want to have a talk with you..... |
| 23:32 |
Peacock |
im sure they give about as much a shit than MS cares about people using pirated windows lol |
| 23:32 |
VanessaE |
1: say "no" to your mom? good luck with that. 2: charge your mom money? you're funny. |
| 23:32 |
VanessaE |
3: user's don't listen. |
| 23:33 |
VanessaE |
4: Since when does OSX run on random commodity hardware? |
| 23:33 |
Peacock |
having had me around, my mom knows better than to do shady things on the PC or let people do shady things to her PC |
| 23:33 |
VanessaE |
user's? *hangs head in shame for misusing an apostrophe* |
| 23:34 |
Peacock |
either way, linux is not less likely to break, i have several lost weekends to attest to that. tho the main problem always comes when the win user finds out they can't run their favorite software |
| 23:35 |
hoodedice |
Later. |
| 23:36 |
hoodedice |
Headache. Thank you, ubuntu |
| 23:36 |
Peacock |
i guess thats the difference between the paid tech guy and the unpaid advocate, the paid guy doesn't have time to convince anyone to try alternative software (which is hard enough to do anyhow) |
| 23:37 |
Peacock |
sucks though, judging from hoodedice's experience, i should probably hold off puting 64bit CB on this box :/ |
| 23:37 |
hoodedice |
Is CB based on buntu? |
| 23:38 |
Peacock |
used to, now they use deb |
| 23:39 |
Peacock |
though i wish they'd update to slightly more recent repos |
| 23:40 |
VanessaE |
CB? |
| 23:40 |
VanessaE |
oh |
| 23:40 |
VanessaE |
crunchbang |
| 23:40 |
Peacock |
archbang's cousin lol |
| 23:40 |
VanessaE |
everyone's still afraid of amd64 builds? |
| 23:41 |
Peacock |
well hoodedice seems ot be having problems anyhow |
| 23:41 |
VanessaE |
here I thought I was the last of the 32-bit holdouts...and even I switched over two years ago :P |
| 23:42 |
Peacock |
well i didn't really think when i installed CB, i have the 1 disc, a p4, an atomn450, and the new tower which is 64bit |
| 23:42 |
Peacock |
im not even sure if the netbook is 32 or 64 lol |
| 23:53 |
EvergreenTree |
VanessaE, If I was still on my laptop, I would be a 32 bit holdout |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
EvergreenTree: well I'm talking about for those folks who can run amd64 that is |
| 23:54 |
VanessaE |
(can but choose not to) |
| 23:54 |
EvergreenTree |
ah |
| 23:54 |
EvergreenTree |
in that case, no. :P |
| 23:54 |
EvergreenTree |
I couldn't use all my ram If I went 32-bit |
| 23:55 |
Peacock |
well i look forward to the day where you have a single install media that can figure that out on it's own lol |
| 23:58 |
VanessaE |
well that's doable now I think |
| 23:59 |
VanessaE |
it's more a matter of whether you wanna spend all that space to duplicate all those packages |
| 23:59 |
VanessaE |
it's either 6-8 GB worth of install media and have everything like usual, or ~4GB worth but have to really REALLY trim it down to fit. |
| 23:59 |
VanessaE |
(and install most everything over the 'net) |
