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Miner_48er |
is there a minetest.register_on_joinplayer_ip or similar function? |
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fmcd |
thats cool.. i guess a scale of 1 block to 1 sq ft would be a bit ambitious |
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VanessaE |
well one block is 1 cubic meter actually |
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ShadowNinja |
Miner_48er: minetest.register_on_joinplayer(function(player) local ip = minetest.get_player_ip(player:get_player_name()) end) |
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Miner_48er |
thx |
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ShadowNinja |
That probably fits better as player:get_player_ip()... |
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Guest59472 |
hi all |
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Guest59472 |
proller, are you there? |
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Megaf |
CMake Error: The source directory "/home/megaf/minetest-next/. -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1" does not exist |
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Partmedia |
Megaf, what command line did you use? |
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Megaf |
cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 |
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Megaf |
Partmedia, but thats with the next |
| 01:56 |
Megaf |
not the normal minetest |
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healshot |
Hey everyone! |
| 02:40 |
healshot |
Anyone here know about the game mode - Realtest Revamped |
| 02:40 |
healshot |
I would be greatful if anyone does |
| 02:43 |
ShadowNinja |
healshot: Yes, it's a fork of Realtest by Dan. |
| 02:44 |
healshot |
Kool im trying to download the latest for minetest-0.4.8 |
| 02:44 |
healshot |
but i dont think the github is working |
| 02:45 |
ShadowNinja |
healshot: Dan deleted his repos recently, I think VanessaE has a copy. |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
everything was restored as forum attachments, including the last version of realtest |
| 02:46 |
healshot |
Kool I think the MOd is great i love Terrafirma Craft and i just like that i could possibly code for it |
| 02:46 |
VanessaE |
I run a server based on it, also |
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Exio4 |
>delete repositories |
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Exio4 |
that is childish |
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healshot |
You are a godess |
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healshot |
Im a big TFC fan and a big fan of Wurmonline |
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VanessaE |
I am? |
| 02:47 |
healshot |
I was gonna try and make a verison of wurm online with minetest |
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* VanessaE |
looks herself over.... I seem quite human.. |
| 02:47 |
healshot |
yeah Vanessae |
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Vazon |
hello everyone :D |
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healshot |
yeah ive been banging my head trying to find a version |
| 02:47 |
healshot |
Hi Vazon |
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healshot |
o/ |
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healshot |
mind if i join the server Vanessae |
| 02:51 |
healshot |
Last question so is the game mode no longer active? |
| 02:51 |
healshot |
well being developed |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
sure, of ourse |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
no longer active? |
| 02:52 |
VanessaE |
well, I'm not sure about that. |
| 02:53 |
VanessaE |
you're of course welcome to join and play |
| 02:53 |
healshot |
Kool TY |
| 02:53 |
healshot |
anyone here ever play Wurm Online? |
| 02:54 |
Vazon |
hmm is advertiseing allowed?? just asking |
| 02:54 |
VanessaE |
that sorta depends |
| 02:54 |
VanessaE |
what sort of advertisement? |
| 02:54 |
Vazon |
ok i know some places they kick you if you adervtize |
| 02:55 |
healshot |
Hey Vanessae im in Hickory NC |
| 02:55 |
VanessaE |
I'm in Waynesville |
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healshot |
im more near Rhodhiss |
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VanessaE |
dunno where that is |
| 02:56 |
healshot |
Near Lenoir |
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healshot |
Sorry if im chatty just excite at the possiblities of this engine vs java |
| 02:57 |
VanessaE |
chatty is good :) |
| 02:57 |
healshot |
Yeah the guys over at Terrafirma craft are quiet |
| 02:57 |
Vazon |
still tryingto get minetest server to run in terminal.... and failling like a champ XD |
| 02:57 |
thexyz |
anyone has this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1262? |
| 02:58 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: I think peacock knows where to get the code |
| 02:58 |
VanessaE |
but it's pretty much useless by now I'd think |
| 02:58 |
thexyz |
then it can be ported |
| 02:59 |
healshot |
Trying to figure out a way to make a Wagon mod for the game |
| 03:00 |
healshot |
Similar to Simply Horses from MC |
| 03:00 |
healshot |
im pretty well versed in LUA and C++ |
| 03:00 |
healshot |
Im just now digging into minetest |
| 03:01 |
healshot |
any recommendations on tutorials or guides for modding MT |
| 03:01 |
NakedFury |
im not sure we have any |
| 03:01 |
NakedFury |
just the documentatio |
| 03:02 |
healshot |
Ah |
| 03:02 |
thexyz |
http://dev.minetest.net/Intro |
| 03:02 |
thexyz |
tutorial right here |
| 03:02 |
healshot |
Well i guess there is a first time for everything |
| 03:03 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: thanks, I'll ask him |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
sure |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
in fact...I know he sent me a link at one time |
| 03:04 |
healshot |
Yeah im not seeing how to do entities yest |
| 03:04 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: maybe you still have it? |
| 03:04 |
VanessaE |
lemme check, hold |
| 03:05 |
Vazon |
VanessaE what linux do you run ??? |
| 03:05 |
VanessaE |
Xubuntu 13.10 |
| 03:06 |
healshot |
Yeah im not seeing how i can add entities i guess, I would have to have a custom version of MT to accomplish it |
| 03:06 |
Vazon |
ooo dang i was goingto ask if you had a base model for server running terminal but i run Ubuntu not Xubuntu |
| 03:06 |
healshot |
Time to code till bedtime Got turkey day tomorrow |
| 03:07 |
VanessaE |
Xubuntu is just Ubuntu with XFCE on tiop |
| 03:07 |
VanessaE |
too* |
| 03:07 |
VanessaE |
top** |
| 03:07 |
VanessaE |
and I run it on my VPS also |
| 03:08 |
healshot |
Are there any mod that add mobs to the game? |
| 03:08 |
Vazon |
ok well your the best mod make and linux expert i know lol |
| 03:08 |
Vazon |
so i figured i would ask |
| 03:08 |
exoplanet |
healshot~ MOB framework or simple mobs |
| 03:09 |
healshot |
Ok i guess ill have to base my code off of it till i can get a proper enity system for vehicles |
| 03:09 |
exoplanet |
use it as a dependency, dont fork |
| 03:10 |
healshot |
ok |
| 03:10 |
exoplanet |
it easier for you and better for the users :) |
| 03:10 |
healshot |
OK cause to get my Wurm Mod im gonna have to make a whole new game mode |
| 03:11 |
exoplanet |
why? |
| 03:11 |
healshot |
Well just like realm test im gonna have to create a few mods |
| 03:11 |
healshot |
i mean realtest |
| 03:12 |
exoplanet |
games are just meta-"packages" of mods… |
| 03:12 |
healshot |
Quick question how do you guys feel about a skills system yay or nay |
| 03:12 |
healshot |
yeah i get what your daying |
| 03:12 |
healshot |
im better at voip communication rather than text |
| 03:13 |
exoplanet |
skill system makes sense if it adds something to the game play |
| 03:13 |
healshot |
Well Ie you cant mine this rock until you reach a certain skill level |
| 03:13 |
exoplanet |
does the minetest community have a mumble server? @ all |
| 03:13 |
ShadowNinja |
skills == achivements? |
| 03:14 |
ShadowNinja |
exoplanet: No. |
| 03:14 |
ShadowNinja |
healshot: That's interesting, tools have levels, but not players. |
| 03:14 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: no luck, but I did find a reference where peacock said he definitely has the source code in question |
| 03:15 |
healshot |
or you cant craft said item till you reach the abilty to craft it. example you cant build a ship until you level wood working and then you can do entry level ship building |
| 03:15 |
healshot |
yeah basicallly it would be skills rule the game world not player level |
| 03:15 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: FreeNode-#minetest.log:Sep 12 2013 19:48:41 <Peacock>i found a copy of the source for the version where that dude did colored lights like two years ago,but it wouldn't build |
| 03:16 |
exoplanet |
thanks ShadowNinja |
| 03:17 |
healshot |
ShadowNinja : so ie you mine stone>Iron>so on |
| 03:18 |
healshot |
But then SMithing would have you make Pickaxes |
| 03:18 |
healshot |
so skills would intertwine |
| 03:19 |
exoplanet |
but wouldn't that lead to senseless mining of ress X so you can build your <object> which better looking ress Y ? healshot |
| 03:19 |
healshot |
Here is what im trying to recplicate: Link http://www.wurmpedia.com/ |
| 03:19 |
healshot |
Well the levels would not be extreme |
| 03:20 |
healshot |
and skill gain bonuses would also be in the game |
| 03:20 |
healshot |
Ie eating certain food , sleeping, magic spells cat on you |
| 03:20 |
healshot |
^cast on you |
| 03:21 |
healshot |
but yeah im would use Wurm as a inspiration point |
| 03:22 |
healshot |
But, Im trying to gauge if a Skill system would be well recieved |
| 03:22 |
healshot |
or just leave it out |
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| 03:24 |
healshot |
Again Sorry Guys if im chatty im as excited as a kid on christmas after i found minetest |
| 03:24 |
NakedFury |
a game mode like that would be nice |
| 03:24 |
exoplanet |
would be interessting, i think a game would make sense :) |
| 03:25 |
healshot |
Yeah I would also have a focus on PVP like Ultima Online |
| 03:25 |
healshot |
i just dont know how far i would do magic |
| 03:25 |
exoplanet |
or a mod but that really depends on the technical side. If it just complicates stuff then i don't think that people would install a mod. But a game? Yup, that would work. |
| 03:26 |
healshot |
Yeah the Gamemode would not be an issue |
| 03:26 |
healshot |
It would just take me awhile to get all the mods for it working |
| 03:27 |
healshot |
Im working on the Vehicles ATM for a mod |
| 03:28 |
healshot |
Right now im just trying to make sense of the libraies in mob frame work to help out |
| 03:29 |
exoplanet |
there is a car mod that kind of works… |
| 03:29 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: thanks |
| 03:29 |
healshot |
Yeah i like the riding mechanic in place in Mob Frame work |
| 03:29 |
healshot |
I'll lookinto the Car mod |
| 03:30 |
healshot |
I have also noticed there are not alot of mod in the MMdb |
| 03:31 |
healshot |
This mod looks promising : Factions |
| 03:31 |
healshot |
could use that for kingdoms |
| 03:32 |
exoplanet |
healshot~ https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7381‎ |
| 03:32 |
exoplanet |
MMdB is not that finished, and yes many people did not upload their mod. |
| 03:33 |
healshot |
Yeah Exo gonna have to make it off of a mobile chunk to avoid lag |
| 03:34 |
healshot |
Just like with Minecraft boats i think its better if they are mobile chunks |
| 03:35 |
healshot |
Looks like im gonna have to hire a full time Sprite and Pixel artist lol |
| 03:36 |
Vazon |
hmmm man why does this have t obe so hard |
| 03:36 |
healshot |
I think, Im gonna reach out to the community and get a DEv team together |
| 03:36 |
healshot |
Whats up Vazon |
| 03:38 |
healshot |
Also for you Modders out there Notepad++ is your friend |
| 03:38 |
exoplanet |
notepad just runs on windows… |
| 03:38 |
exoplanet |
*++ |
| 03:38 |
healshot |
No the program is called ++ |
| 03:39 |
healshot |
they have other release of Notepad++ |
| 03:39 |
healshot |
i think there is a linux version |
| 03:39 |
exoplanet |
that's why there is the "*++" |
| 03:39 |
RealBadAngel |
forget that, Geany is the best friend |
| 03:40 |
RealBadAngel |
aviable for windows and linux |
| 03:40 |
healshot |
Well i wrote a few plugins for notepad ++ |
| 03:40 |
RealBadAngel |
nothing better out there |
| 03:40 |
healshot |
and one is LUa for Moddding WoW |
| 03:40 |
healshot |
What the site RealBadAngel? |
| 03:41 |
healshot |
Im open to new Stuff to make life easier and let me code faster |
| 03:41 |
exoplanet |
RealBadAngel~ oh yes Geany so fast so much functionality and between IDE and Texteditor |
| 03:41 |
RealBadAngel |
http://www.geany.org/ |
| 03:41 |
exoplanet |
http://www.geany.org/ |
| 03:41 |
healshot |
Ty guys |
| 03:41 |
RealBadAngel |
ninja'd :) |
| 03:42 |
Vazon |
just trying to get my minetest server to run ing the Ubuntu terminal thats all lol same thing i have been trying to do for over 5 hours now |
| 03:42 |
exoplanet |
Vazon~ what is the problem? Do you terminate the server when you quit ssh? |
| 03:43 |
* exoplanet |
Notepad++ is still great and open source… but just windows :( |
| 03:44 |
healshot |
lol |
| 03:44 |
NakedFury |
i got both for quick notpad reading of README's |
| 03:44 |
healshot |
Yeah i just have been using ++ for a long time |
| 03:45 |
healshot |
Now to get on the serevr |
| 03:46 |
exoplanet |
I use mousepad as my simple text editor and geany for larger stuff (+ IDE) |
| 03:46 |
RealBadAngel |
healshot, just try geany, you will forget other editors quickly |
| 03:46 |
healshot |
k |
| 03:47 |
RealBadAngel |
it has syntax higlighting also for Lua |
| 03:47 |
RealBadAngel |
not to mention c++ |
| 03:47 |
exoplanet |
the geany website looks so old :( never saw it before |
| 03:47 |
healshot |
Vanessae's : is this still the serve addy: digitalaudioconcepts.com, port 30004 |
| 03:48 |
VanessaE |
yep |
| 03:48 |
RealBadAngel |
exoplanet, i just saw the website when i was asked for link, and im using geany for more than yr already lol |
| 03:48 |
healshot |
what do i put for userame and pass? |
| 03:49 |
exoplanet |
username - what you want |
| 03:49 |
exoplanet |
password - only if needed, you have to ask the server admin for it |
| 03:50 |
healshot |
kk: its just taking forever, I'm stuck on Item Definitions.... |
| 03:51 |
healshot |
anyone got an good Texturepacks for this gamemode? |
| 03:51 |
exoplanet |
what is the theme ? healshot |
| 03:52 |
healshot |
Medevial fantasy / realism |
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RealBadAngel |
a second |
| 04:02 |
RealBadAngel |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7708 |
| 04:03 |
RealBadAngel |
thats for realism |
| 04:03 |
exoplanet |
RealBadAngel~ have you changed your avatar? |
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RealBadAngel |
i did |
| 04:04 |
healshot |
RealbadAngel I did not know you where a dev for MT |
| 04:04 |
healshot |
Thats awesome it rare to actually talk to game dev that much |
| 04:04 |
RealBadAngel |
thats nothing unusual here |
| 04:05 |
healshot |
I wondering if a full converison to C++ for Wurm would be possible |
| 04:05 |
healshot |
its a java game aswell |
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healshot |
So RBAngel would you like to do some art for me when im ready for it? Im no artist. |
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exoplanet |
healshot~ you are new to IRC aren't you? There is a thing called tab completion. Just type the first letters of a name and hit tab |
| 04:11 |
healshot |
Yeah last time i used IRC was like 1998-1999 |
| 04:12 |
RealBadAngel |
healshot, im rather a coder, im doing gfx casually |
| 04:12 |
healshot |
Not working with Xchat |
| 04:13 |
healshot |
I see RealBadAngel yeah i cant do GFX or Modling to save me life |
| 04:13 |
healshot |
Mostly a Networking Specialist |
| 04:14 |
healshot |
Ive been working on a game called 7daystodie |
| 04:14 |
healshot |
they needed help with there Netcode |
| 04:16 |
RealBadAngel |
in fact we also need something like that |
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healshot |
Whats the issue |
| 04:16 |
RealBadAngel |
minetest is using UDP |
| 04:16 |
healshot |
Ewww |
| 04:16 |
RealBadAngel |
which is hell sloooooow |
| 04:17 |
healshot |
Ok ill get to work on that |
| 04:17 |
healshot |
ANy style you have in mind? |
| 04:17 |
RealBadAngel |
tcp/ip |
| 04:17 |
RealBadAngel |
we do have a workaround - cURL, but its not handy |
| 04:17 |
healshot |
Okey do you need anything special? |
| 04:17 |
RealBadAngel |
speed :) |
| 04:18 |
healshot |
Well give me till the first of the year to get a stable build out but i can have indev build in a few days |
| 04:18 |
RealBadAngel |
there was an attempt to use tcp/ip but it wasnt stable |
| 04:19 |
healshot |
yeah you have to know what your doing |
| 04:19 |
RealBadAngel |
do you know where to find the sources? |
| 04:19 |
healshot |
On the site i would assume |
| 04:20 |
RealBadAngel |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest |
| 04:20 |
healshot |
VanessaE, How do you get sticks in this game mode? |
| 04:20 |
RealBadAngel |
this is main repo of the engine |
| 04:20 |
healshot |
ok RealBadAngel I'll get started on friday cause im not crazy and going shopping on black friday. |
| 04:21 |
RealBadAngel |
cool, in case of any questions, feel free to ask |
| 04:21 |
healshot |
i may have a few |
| 04:22 |
healshot |
a quick one is there ever gonna be a central server like MC for login and password? |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
healshot: in realtest? |
| 04:22 |
VanessaE |
dig the dirt out from under a tree, then collect everything that falls |
| 04:22 |
healshot |
VanessaE, NVM i just had bad luck i finally got a stick |
| 04:23 |
VanessaE |
among the fallen items will be sticks |
| 04:24 |
healshot |
yeah im gonna fix that in my mod thats kinda weird |
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healshot |
ill make it like TreeCapitator |
| 04:25 |
healshot |
any idea what rocks are for? |
| 04:29 |
RealBadAngel |
healshot, https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/tree/tcp_connection |
| 04:29 |
RealBadAngel |
this is an attempt to implement tcp/ip |
| 04:29 |
RealBadAngel |
maybe this could be of help for you |
| 04:31 |
healshot |
Ill take a look, I most likely start from scratch or base it on some of my other work |
| 04:35 |
Vazon |
grrr |
| 04:35 |
Vazon |
i failed agian |
| 04:36 |
RealBadAngel |
i meant it may give you ideas whats needed to do and where |
| 04:36 |
healshot |
Ah got yeah looking at it is making my brain hurt |
| 04:36 |
healshot |
its really messy |
| 04:38 |
RealBadAngel |
it was working to some point |
| 04:39 |
healshot |
Its iniffcient and sloppy but has a great foundation |
| 04:39 |
healshot |
i can work with it |
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| 04:41 |
RealBadAngel |
good |
| 04:41 |
Inocudom |
Fess made a post in your shaders topic today, RealBadAngel. Looks like he know of a place where shaders can be tested should you ever need it. |
| 04:42 |
RealBadAngel |
i saw it already, that ocean shader is pretty interesting |
| 04:43 |
Inocudom |
Does anybody here know about the new animals for mobf? |
| 04:43 |
Inocudom |
Rabbits, butterflies, turtles, swans. |
| 04:43 |
RealBadAngel |
wabbits? |
| 04:44 |
healshot |
Are there any mod for hunger that work? |
| 04:44 |
* RealBadAngel |
opens hunting season for wabbits |
| 04:44 |
Inocudom |
Yes, rabbits. They were made by a talented modeler. |
| 04:45 |
RealBadAngel |
healshot, yup, there are some mods for it, and even game mode |
| 04:45 |
healshot |
Thinking of adding it to Realtest |
| 04:45 |
Inocudom |
Donkeys were also made by the same person. I want to see the new animals, but they don't spawn on the maps. |
| 04:45 |
RealBadAngel |
ask sapier bout them |
| 04:45 |
healshot |
Yeah im gonna download MOBF |
| 04:46 |
Inocudom |
Since butterflies are one of the creatures, I brought forth the idea of there being bumble bees as well. |
| 04:46 |
healshot |
Now we are talking Forestry with apiaries like in Foretry mod for MC |
| 04:46 |
Inocudom |
You are the modder for Realtest now, healshot? |
| 04:46 |
healshot |
Im making a new Gamemode similar to Realtest |
| 04:47 |
Inocudom |
BlockMen attempted hunger, so his might work. |
| 04:47 |
healshot |
its gonna be called Wurmtest lol |
| 04:47 |
healshot |
i lack creativity atm |
| 04:47 |
healshot |
im working on a skill Mod ATM |
| 04:47 |
healshot |
should have a test version soon |
| 04:48 |
Inocudom |
For hostile monsters, wasps (especially southern yellow jackets) would make a good type of monster. |
| 04:48 |
healshot |
ill let you guys have first crack at it. |
| 04:48 |
Inocudom |
They could come from scary paper nests. |
| 04:49 |
Inocudom |
http://youtu.be/cGEsVkruBg0 and http://youtu.be/NQ0h7Q1DC40 show southern yellow jackets. |
| 04:50 |
healshot |
ok for the Test version of the skills MOD im gonna have Digging , Mining, Wood cutting, |
| 04:50 |
healshot |
Then will go from there |
| 04:51 |
healshot |
The Gui is gonna be the death of me right now |
| 04:52 |
Inocudom |
Good luck to you. |
| 04:52 |
healshot |
Inocudom, all is working except for a proper GUI atm |
| 04:53 |
healshot |
Just had to get some nodes going for dirt and mining |
| 04:53 |
Inocudom |
A good gui is very important. |
| 04:53 |
healshot |
Yeah i was never good at them I worked on the Auctioneer Mod for WOW, all i did was code a friend did the gui |
| 04:53 |
healshot |
GUI are my bane |
| 04:55 |
Vazon |
does anyone have a auto server restart for linux??? |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
while true; do minetestserver {insert options here}; sleep 5; done |
| 04:55 |
VanessaE |
that's all it takes. |
| 04:56 |
VanessaE |
that simple loop will cause it to restart 5 seconds after it exits |
| 04:56 |
Vazon |
thanks :D |
| 04:57 |
Vazon |
where do i put server name? |
| 05:01 |
Miner_48er |
minetestserver -world name |
| 05:03 |
Vazon |
ok |
| 05:04 |
Vazon |
btw how are you Miner its been what 2 months since the last time we have talked |
| 05:05 |
Miner_48er |
good how are you? |
| 05:07 |
Vazon |
good having a wonderfull time failling at things lol |
| 05:08 |
Vazon |
what am idoing wrong VanessaE |
| 05:09 |
Vazon |
while true; do minetestserver --Minerealms; sleep 5; done |
| 05:09 |
VanessaE |
-world Minerealms |
| 05:09 |
Vazon |
ok |
| 05:10 |
Vazon |
while true; do minetestserver -world Minerealms; sleep 5; done that still will not work |
| 05:10 |
VanessaE |
try two dashes |
| 05:10 |
Miner_48er |
while true; do minetestserver --worldname Minerealms; sleep 5; done |
| 05:10 |
Vazon |
ok |
| 05:11 |
Vazon |
perfect thanks 2 the both of you, you both have helped me so much here :D |
| 05:11 |
VanessaE |
or do that :) |
| 05:19 |
healshot |
RealBadAngel, SO IM ASSUMING TO INSTALL TEXTURE PACK DO YOU UNZIP THEM TO THE TEXTURE FOLDER? |
| 05:19 |
healshot |
sorry for caps |
| 05:20 |
RealBadAngel |
yeah |
| 05:20 |
RealBadAngel |
since 0.4.8 they have to be in a folder |
| 05:20 |
RealBadAngel |
and you can select them in texture packs tab |
| 05:21 |
healshot |
yeah i selected the pack its just not showing up in my SSP |
| 05:21 |
RealBadAngel |
if you want tp to be server's one put it in "server" folder |
| 05:22 |
RealBadAngel |
otherwise its just for client |
| 05:22 |
VanessaE |
wait, since when were there proper server-side texture packs? |
| 05:23 |
healshot |
I dont see a folder called server |
| 05:23 |
RealBadAngel |
i just read something bout it recently? |
| 05:23 |
RealBadAngel |
havent tested it though |
| 05:23 |
VanessaE |
huh. well if that's how to do it, then I guess :) |
| 05:24 |
RealBadAngel |
texture pack shall be named "server" |
| 05:24 |
RealBadAngel |
thats how the doc says |
| 05:25 |
RealBadAngel |
i quess i read that in nore's pull that introduced that |
| 05:26 |
Inocudom |
VanessaE, have you been able to test the new animals for mobf yet? |
| 05:26 |
VanessaE |
I have not. |
| 05:26 |
healshot |
RealBadAngel, its taking awhile for it to load when i go to SSP heads up |
| 05:30 |
healshot |
VanessaE, Do you have any texture packs for Realtest? |
| 05:30 |
VanessaE |
HDX supports it to some degree |
| 05:31 |
Inocudom |
The new animals are donkeys, butterflies, geese, turtles, and bunny rabbits. |
| 05:31 |
VanessaE |
maybe about 10-15% so far (there are some 1100 textures in realtest O_O) |
| 05:31 |
healshot |
yeah i like RealBadAngel's but its counter productive |
| 05:32 |
Inocudom |
They were made by a talented modeller. |
| 05:32 |
Inocudom |
The new animals. |
| 05:32 |
healshot |
whats the newest version of Mobf |
| 05:32 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: *poke* |
| 05:34 |
Inocudom |
You should be able to find the new animals towards the end of mobf's topic. |
| 05:35 |
ShadowNinja |
healshot: Re: central login. There has been discussion of it, but nobody has coded anything. And I don't really like that the central server is usually the forum. |
| 05:36 |
healshot |
Ah ok ShadowNinja , just didnot know if there was gonna be a central login |
| 05:38 |
Inocudom |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=119787#p119787 New animals were made by AspireMint. |
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healshot |
so im simple turns where is the zip for it Inocudom |
| 05:41 |
healshot |
Terms i mean |
| 05:41 |
reactor |
Mroning. |
| 05:41 |
Inocudom |
https://forum.minetest.net/misc.php?action=pun_attachment&item=108&download=1 Here is the link. |
| 05:41 |
healshot |
herro reactor |
| 05:43 |
healshot |
TY Inocudom |
| 05:43 |
Inocudom |
I want people to actually care about those new animals that AspireMint made. |
| 05:43 |
Inocudom |
You are welcome. |
| 05:43 |
healshot |
it seems like most of the mods in the forusm where made with in the last 2-3 months |
| 05:44 |
healshot |
Im gonna try and addthem to Realtest |
| 05:44 |
reactor |
No wonder, most were on vacation on summer. |
| 05:44 |
Inocudom |
If Minetest is to have a future, mods that add life to the game must be revered, not ignored. |
| 05:44 |
healshot |
Yeah im 28 last time i had a vaction was 5 years ago |
| 05:45 |
healshot |
Yeah im gonna try and get a fe wmods out Inocudom |
| 05:45 |
healshot |
SO far i have about 4 atm im working on |
| 05:45 |
healshot |
main one being my skills mod |
| 05:47 |
healshot |
Also working on a ship, fishing, Pvp mod |
| 05:48 |
healshot |
Anyone know if there is a thirst mod? |
| 05:49 |
Sokomine |
no, no geese. swans. they just look similar to geese |
| 05:49 |
Sokomine |
maybe i ought to have made them larger |
| 05:51 |
Sokomine |
there is a fishing mod already, and a boats mod as well. as far as thirst go...hunger exists as a mod |
| 05:51 |
Sokomine |
perhaps yours can be sligthly diffrent. new mods are alaways welcome |
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healshot |
Wells the boats mode would be more like the small boats mod in MC |
| 05:56 |
healshot |
also they would be alot less laggy than vanilla boats |
| 05:56 |
healshot |
well the fishing mod is gonna be like MC aquaculture |
| 05:57 |
healshot |
The thirst mod will be simple at first |
| 05:58 |
healshot |
the pvp mod will have catapults , trebuches, cannons balistas, hwatic carts, and battering rams , large gates and much more |
| 05:59 |
healshot |
Inocudom you there |
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healshot |
Sokomine, do you code mods at all? |
| 06:31 |
ShadowNinja |
healshot: Yes, she does. |
| 06:32 |
healshot |
well anyone could help with this but here is the idea for the mod |
| 06:33 |
healshot |
it would be more for SMP |
| 06:33 |
healshot |
Player Ghost |
| 06:33 |
healshot |
When your turn it on and you logout it spawn a NPC with the same armour, weapon and name as you |
| 06:34 |
healshot |
If killed it respawn after 1 minute and disappear when you log back in |
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| 06:54 |
TheZenKitteh |
I'm playing on a friends minetest server and I spotted something I can't explain and curious if anyone has any ideas. when he connects via lan (even from multiple computers at the same time), the server cpu remains no higher than 15%. however as soon as I connect and within a minute (even when idle), the cpu spikes and maxes out and severe lag (over 40 seconds) |
| 06:55 |
healshot |
not sure on that one |
| 06:56 |
ShadowNinja |
TheZenKitteh: I haven't ever experienced that. Are you sure you don't have a rouge mod? |
| 06:56 |
TheZenKitteh |
my client and his server version are same: 0.4.7. I also tested out 0.4.8 client/server and same thing. seems when I connect cpu spikes high and lag increases |
| 06:57 |
TheZenKitteh |
I've tried run in place client compiled from minetest git and tried precompiled ubuntu packages for client. for 0.4.7 server unsure his source. for the 0.4.8 test I used git sources |
| 06:58 |
TheZenKitteh |
as I said, the cpu only spikes when I connect |
| 06:58 |
TheZenKitteh |
lol |
| 06:58 |
TheZenKitteh |
I can't figure it out |
| 06:58 |
reactor |
? |
| 06:58 |
TheZenKitteh |
his server cpu spikes* |
| 06:59 |
TheZenKitteh |
he just connected with three clients at same time from his lan and server cpu for minetest didn't exceed 15% |
| 06:59 |
TheZenKitteh |
when I connect it exceeds 90% |
| 06:59 |
TheZenKitteh |
remains so till I disconnect |
| 06:59 |
TheZenKitteh |
im not even sure if it's a software problem |
| 06:59 |
TheZenKitteh |
im curious if anyone would have any idea of potential causes for such a situation |
| 07:02 |
VanessaE |
TheZenKitteh: are you in the same location as your friend, and do you have the same inventory? |
| 07:02 |
VanessaE |
(specifically, the items in your hotbar) |
| 07:02 |
TheZenKitteh |
im on the east coast, he's in texas |
| 07:02 |
VanessaE |
I mean on the map |
| 07:02 |
VanessaE |
e.g. are you both at the same coordinates |
| 07:02 |
exoplanet |
monitor netwroking, maybe something floods the server. Windows? TheZenKitteh |
| 07:03 |
TheZenKitteh |
I use his ssh to connect to irc for privacy reasons so my ip will show texas. ihave his permission for such. |
| 07:03 |
TheZenKitteh |
im on linux |
| 07:03 |
TheZenKitteh |
I think he's on windows. server is on linux |
| 07:03 |
VanessaE |
nevermind your geographical location on earth |
| 07:03 |
VanessaE |
I mean your location within the minetest world :) |
| 07:03 |
TheZenKitteh |
well there's so much lag we both appear to be jerky and it takes over 30 seconds for the server to respond to a command |
| 07:04 |
healshot |
VanessaE, im trying to instal fishing_master into Real test i keep getting errors have you ever installed this mod |
| 07:04 |
TheZenKitteh |
when im not connected, he says there's no lag |
| 07:04 |
VanessaE |
healshot: no. but i can tell you it should not be "fishing-master" |
| 07:04 |
healshot |
Here is the link to the mod : https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6480 |
| 07:04 |
VanessaE |
change the folder name to 'fishing' |
| 07:04 |
VanessaE |
and try again |
| 07:04 |
VanessaE |
TheZenKitteh: but are you at the same location in the minetest map as he is when you sign in? |
| 07:05 |
TheZenKitteh |
well we can see each other. if you speak of coordinates not sure. didn't think to check such |
| 07:05 |
VanessaE |
you need to find out |
| 07:05 |
TheZenKitteh |
I assume it is in the player file? |
| 07:05 |
VanessaE |
press F5 to find your coordinates. |
| 07:06 |
VanessaE |
ask your friend his. |
| 07:06 |
VanessaE |
have him teleport to you. then both of you sign off. |
| 07:06 |
VanessaE |
then have him sign on again |
| 07:06 |
VanessaE |
chances are, the server will start lagging. |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
this means there's a "lag machine" in the area. i.e. some construction of mesecons, technic, or something else, which causes the server to lag because *someone* is close enough to cause the server to load and run it |
| 07:07 |
VanessaE |
if it doesn't matter where you are, then it's something in your inventory that's causing the lag |
| 07:08 |
VanessaE |
such as a flashlight or other walking lightm etc. |
| 07:08 |
VanessaE |
, |
| 07:08 |
VanessaE |
figure out which situation persists - does it matter where you are? then go from there. |
| 07:08 |
healshot |
Hey VanessaE thatnks for the heads up it works great in the mod pack |
| 07:09 |
TheZenKitteh |
well in one test I had a fresh world |
| 07:09 |
TheZenKitteh |
nothing built |
| 07:09 |
TheZenKitteh |
the lag was still there |
| 07:09 |
VanessaE |
TheZenKitteh: same inventory contents? |
| 07:10 |
TheZenKitteh |
no inventory contents on that test |
| 07:10 |
VanessaE |
well a fresh world is gonna lag anyway |
| 07:10 |
VanessaE |
mapge |
| 07:10 |
VanessaE |
mapgen. |
| 07:10 |
TheZenKitteh |
well coords are same on his world |
| 07:10 |
VanessaE |
doesn't matter |
| 07:10 |
reactor |
Arnold Lane... had a strange hobby! |
| 07:10 |
VanessaE |
if it's a brand new map, the map generator is busy running, and this will cause everyone else to lag. |
| 07:10 |
TheZenKitteh |
he logged out, cpu still 90% and only dropped 5% when he logged out with me still logged in |
| 07:11 |
TheZenKitteh |
im about to have him log back in and me log out |
| 07:11 |
TheZenKitteh |
yea |
| 07:11 |
TheZenKitteh |
when I log out 15% |
| 07:12 |
TheZenKitteh |
seems somehow im causing the cpu spike |
| 07:12 |
VanessaE |
what happens if you create a new account? |
| 07:12 |
VanessaE |
i.e. sign on with a new name |
| 07:12 |
TheZenKitteh |
don't know, lets see |
| 07:12 |
reactor |
It's normal eh. |
| 07:13 |
reactor |
When you crate a password, it has to compute the hash. |
| 07:13 |
TheZenKitteh |
less cpu but still far more than with him logged in multiple times. 65% now |
| 07:13 |
TheZenKitteh |
and rising |
| 07:13 |
VanessaE |
wait. |
| 07:13 |
VanessaE |
let your account settle in |
| 07:13 |
VanessaE |
it might just be the map being sent to you |
| 07:13 |
TheZenKitteh |
2 of his clients = 15% cpu use. when I come in it jumps |
| 07:14 |
TheZenKitteh |
im not moving in the world |
| 07:14 |
TheZenKitteh |
lol |
| 07:14 |
TheZenKitteh |
im waiting to see if it lowers before I move |
| 07:14 |
TheZenKitteh |
seems to be stable around 40% |
| 07:14 |
TheZenKitteh |
better than prior |
| 07:14 |
VanessaE |
I can only guess it's a bug in the network code, maybe a long ping time causes a CPU spike? |
| 07:14 |
TheZenKitteh |
yay cpu settled to 12% |
| 07:15 |
TheZenKitteh |
so has to be something with my character file |
| 07:15 |
VanessaE |
there you go |
| 07:15 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 07:15 |
VanessaE |
not if you signed in with a new name |
| 07:15 |
reactor |
By the way. Is map transfer still crawling slow in MT? |
| 07:15 |
VanessaE |
new character file then |
| 07:15 |
TheZenKitteh |
I know, I mean old character file |
| 07:15 |
VanessaE |
reactor, about as slow as it's been yeah |
| 07:15 |
reactor |
Or does it have to do with variables? |
| 07:15 |
VanessaE |
TheZenKitteh: then it's something in your inventory. |
| 07:15 |
reactor |
Also. How's it going with lags? |
| 07:15 |
reactor |
Still much lag? |
| 07:16 |
VanessaE |
lag's as bad as ever if the Lua side of things has a lot of work to do, yeah |
| 07:16 |
VanessaE |
(or if the mapgen is too busy) |
| 07:16 |
reactor |
So, more mods = more lag? |
| 07:16 |
VanessaE |
not necessarily |
| 07:16 |
TheZenKitteh |
about to test if lag has improved, I think it has |
| 07:16 |
VanessaE |
more mods that do active stuff = more lag, generally. |
| 07:17 |
VanessaE |
but many mods just add nodes without adding active code. |
| 07:18 |
VanessaE |
brb |
| 07:18 |
TheZenKitteh |
lag improved dramatically |
| 07:18 |
healshot |
Is there a way to get MT to go full screen? |
| 07:18 |
TheZenKitteh |
ty VanessaE |
| 07:18 |
TheZenKitteh |
^_^ |
| 07:20 |
TheZenKitteh |
well off to play. ta ta |
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| 07:22 |
exoplanet |
healshot~ which wm do you use? |
| 07:22 |
healshot |
WM? |
| 07:22 |
exoplanet |
window manager |
| 07:23 |
reactor |
Holy wars. Here we go again. |
| 07:23 |
healshot |
Im still kinda fuzzy on what you mean I use Windows 7 ulti |
| 07:24 |
healshot |
64bit |
| 07:24 |
healshot |
but i have 2 more boot |
| 07:24 |
exoplanet |
for most WM you can configure a shortcut to fullscreen a window |
| 07:24 |
healshot |
i have an android bot and a linux boot and a windows 8 boot |
| 07:24 |
exoplanet |
oh windows. good question, then. :) |
| 07:24 |
healshot |
I thought there was a comand like Mc you hit f11 |
| 07:25 |
healshot |
could i run a target command? |
| 07:25 |
healshot |
like -fullscreen |
| 07:26 |
reactor |
Is the FreeBSD port up to date now? |
| 07:27 |
exoplanet |
looked in the manpage, and no there is not fullscreen option healshot healshot |
| 07:27 |
reactor |
Maybe we should also add the "minetest-devel" port, that would fetch the latest git? |
| 07:27 |
reactor |
exoplanet: should edit the config. |
| 07:27 |
reactor |
I wonder if minetest.conf has #include. |
| 07:27 |
healshot |
Ok exoplanet Thought there was a way to ge fullscreen |
| 07:28 |
exoplanet |
reactor~ can find an option there |
| 07:28 |
reactor |
If it does, create two configs with different fullscreens status, and include the main config. |
| 07:30 |
exoplanet |
ther should be a cli switch. |
| 07:30 |
exoplanet |
*e |
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healshot |
Yeah im gonna need a partner for my modding pleaures |
| 07:35 |
healshot |
If anyone would like to Join my Mod Dev team let me know |
| 07:39 |
reactor |
? |
| 07:39 |
reactor |
What are you trying to do, healshot? |
| 07:39 |
reactor |
exoplanet: I have a trick for you. |
| 07:39 |
healshot |
It is gonna be a mod or rather a gamemode that will simulate Wurm Online |
| 07:40 |
reactor |
Create two configs that include the main one (which you should rename) |
| 07:40 |
reactor |
Make scripts that run cpp on them, and overwrite to minetest.conf (which should not exist) |
| 07:41 |
reactor |
Cpp should process the #include statements. |
| 07:41 |
reactor |
healshot: Wurm? |
| 07:42 |
healshot |
http://www.wurmpedia.com/ |
| 07:42 |
healshot |
Its a game Notch worked on before making minecraft |
| 07:44 |
reactor |
I still don't get it. |
| 07:45 |
healshot |
It making an RPG of MT |
| 07:45 |
reactor |
Oh. |
| 07:45 |
healshot |
Its Minecraft but harder better to watch some videos to get it |
| 07:45 |
reactor |
Well, personally, I don't quite like RPGs. |
| 07:46 |
reactor |
They take too long to play. |
| 07:46 |
healshot |
Well its not the kind of RPG your thing of |
| 07:46 |
healshot |
It like dropping you in medvial time to survive |
| 07:46 |
healshot |
so its more of a Medevil survival game |
| 07:47 |
healshot |
they just added hell hounds and dragons |
| 07:47 |
healshot |
and of course other mythical beasts |
| 07:48 |
reactor |
I'm not very fond of Middle Ages, either. |
| 07:48 |
healshot |
Only reason i like it is for a seige pvp system |
| 07:48 |
reactor |
Those were the worst time humanity has ever been though: religion almost destroyed science. |
| 07:48 |
healshot |
i think gun / fps pvp is kinda bland |
| 07:48 |
reactor |
s/alm/had alm |
| 07:49 |
reactor |
Why not. I like shooters. |
| 07:49 |
reactor |
They help release mortido very well. |
| 07:49 |
healshot |
cant really seige in an fps like you can in guildwars 2 or darkage of camelot or warhammer online |
| 07:49 |
reactor |
Why not. |
| 07:50 |
reactor |
XXth century was full of epic battles, wasn't it? |
| 07:50 |
healshot |
never seen a FPS with a proper seige system |
| 07:50 |
reactor |
You mean, siege? |
| 07:50 |
reactor |
Ha. Because no one has tried to implement it, that's it. |
| 07:50 |
healshot |
yes |
| 07:50 |
reactor |
It's a matter of time. |
| 07:51 |
healshot |
well the new warhammer 40k mmo is gonna try it |
| 07:51 |
healshot |
but again it has touches of fantasy and scifi |
| 07:51 |
reactor |
I don't like games that take long to play. |
| 07:51 |
healshot |
lol then your missing out |
| 07:52 |
reactor |
I like something one can play while an assignment is compiling/processing. |
| 07:52 |
healshot |
plus minetest is an infinte time sink lol there is no end to it |
| 07:52 |
reactor |
Idk. |
| 07:53 |
healshot |
I like games that take skill to play |
| 07:53 |
healshot |
I like to earn things in a game not be handed them |
| 07:53 |
reactor |
Short games take skill, too. |
| 07:53 |
reactor |
Reaction time. |
| 07:53 |
healshot |
Not always |
| 07:54 |
healshot |
anyone can play call of duty well |
| 07:54 |
reactor |
I like to improve my reaction time. |
| 07:54 |
healshot |
well with age reaction time goes by the way side |
| 07:55 |
reactor |
Do not remind me of aging. |
| 07:55 |
healshot |
Twitch gaming had it hay day, games like Battlefield 4 are bringing back skill to the fps |
| 07:55 |
reactor |
I shouldn't worry, though, I invest efforts in preserving myself. |
| 07:55 |
healshot |
gonna be frozen reactor |
| 07:55 |
reactor |
No. |
| 07:56 |
reactor |
Well, I hope I will afford to have my head frozen in case I die. |
| 07:56 |
healshot |
lol |
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healshot |
Found a bug with the mobf |
| 08:21 |
healshot |
I cant kill zombies |
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healshot |
Back |
| 09:11 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 09:11 |
healshot |
Vazon you there? |
| 09:12 |
healshot |
trying to get a mod pack for Minerealm server |
| 09:12 |
healshot |
Got some mods to add to realtest VanessaE |
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| 09:13 |
VanessaE |
Realtest isn't really meant for mods |
| 09:13 |
VanessaE |
besides, I don't maintain it. |
| 09:14 |
VanessaE |
no one's picked up the proverbial torch yet |
| 09:14 |
healshot |
Mods are : HUD, Fishing, Torches |
| 09:14 |
healshot |
Well i can maintain it but it will be different |
| 09:14 |
VanessaE |
I just own/run a server that runs that game, but I don't maintain the game |
| 09:15 |
healshot |
Gues when i get my real net back ill get to work on it |
| 09:15 |
healshot |
right now im tethered to my phone and its as slow as hell |
| 09:17 |
VanessaE |
ick |
| 09:17 |
healshot |
Yeah i havent had proper net since March |
| 09:17 |
healshot |
i have to go to the office to get things done lol |
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| 09:24 |
healshot |
Well off to bed so i can get up early for turkey day |
| 09:24 |
healshot |
night everyone |
| 09:24 |
iqualfragile |
haha kebab |
| 09:24 |
healshot |
? |
| 09:26 |
JamesTait |
Good morning all; happy French Toast Day! :-D |
| 09:27 |
VanessaE |
mmmmmm french toast |
| 09:38 |
reactor |
Remove kebab |
| 09:53 |
iqualfragile |
reactor: at least somebody got it |
| 09:53 |
reactor |
? |
| 09:54 |
reactor |
I like kebab... as long as it's made by Russians in a food producint establishment, not those people coming from poor countries and baking them outside. |
| 09:54 |
reactor |
s/int/ing/ |
| 09:55 |
iqualfragile |
well, i live in the country kebab was invented in |
| 09:57 |
iqualfragile |
brb |
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| 09:58 |
reactor |
iqualfragile: but you're from Germany, aren't you |
| 09:58 |
reactor |
s/$/?/ |
| 09:58 |
reactor |
john_minetest: o/ |
| 09:58 |
iqualfragile |
hi john_minetest |
| 09:58 |
iqualfragile |
yes i am |
| 09:58 |
iqualfragile |
it was invented by some turkish guy in berlin |
| 10:00 |
reactor |
:D |
| 10:00 |
reactor |
john_minetest: again, not everyone is a freaking pony. |
| 10:00 |
iqualfragile |
jep döner |
| 10:00 |
reactor |
böner |
| 10:00 |
reactor |
bönёr |
| 10:00 |
reactor |
Whatever. |
| 10:00 |
iqualfragile |
and the odds were not that low as berlin is the city with the secound most turkish people living there i think |
| 10:01 |
iqualfragile |
or was it third… |
| 10:01 |
iqualfragile |
did i mention we have a litle integration problem around here? |
| 10:01 |
reactor |
iqualfragile: I see... aren't the Turkish overflowing the place like those immigrants from various neighbouring countries in Russia? |
| 10:02 |
iqualfragile |
there are actually imigrants to russia? |
| 10:03 |
reactor |
Yes. |
| 10:03 |
iqualfragile |
well anyways, got to go, later |
| 10:03 |
reactor |
Later maing. |
| 10:03 |
reactor |
Yes, because intelligent Russians are running from Russia. |
| 10:03 |
reactor |
Russia just doesn't meet their requirements. |
| 10:04 |
reactor |
Neither does it meet mine, I think. As I've been told, there are no good wages for theoretical physicists in Russia. |
| 10:04 |
reactor |
So, my prospect is quite dull if I stay here. |
| 10:05 |
reactor |
As you say. |
| 10:05 |
reactor |
I like math, and I like sitting there, drinking tea and thinking over algorithms. |
| 10:08 |
reactor |
Dumb? |
| 10:08 |
reactor |
It's a matter of taste. I am a theoretical thinker. I really suck at manipulating materials. |
| 10:08 |
reactor |
Why should I bother? |
| 10:37 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: what kind of algorithms do you study? |
| 10:37 |
thexyz |
what notations "nobody uses"? |
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reactor |
proller: 3DPABCTBYNTE |
| 10:47 |
proller |
PREVED |
| 10:54 |
reactor |
Btw. |
| 10:54 |
reactor |
proller: how about we register #minetest-ru? |
| 10:55 |
proller |
good idea |
| 11:02 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: any names? |
| 11:02 |
thexyz |
minetest-ru is taken already |
| 11:03 |
reactor |
You're into Markov chains? |
| 11:06 |
thexyz |
I'm sure he's talking about markov algorithms |
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VanessaE |
proller: this one's for you :) http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/git_commit.png |
| 11:23 |
proller |
its about every, who do something |
| 11:29 |
thexyz |
some algorithms names, or are you studying the theory in general? like algprithm definition, turing machine, markov algorithms, halting problem, etc. |
| 11:29 |
Guest60739 |
proller, did you see the message I sent to you? |
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proller |
you have strange problem, cmake is 99/9% same as in master |
| 11:33 |
thexyz |
alright |
| 11:41 |
reactor |
john_minetest: I told you you better do applied math. |
| 11:41 |
reactor |
You're gonna die of boredom. |
| 11:44 |
proller |
Megaf, try make clean; cmake . ...... |
| 11:44 |
thexyz |
I still am nut sure what you're talking about, but whatever |
| 11:45 |
thexyz |
*not |
| 11:45 |
reactor |
OldCoder: o/ any news, mate? |
| 11:46 |
thexyz |
what markov algorithm? |
| 11:49 |
thexyz |
oh, this |
| 11:50 |
thexyz |
then I got this right, did you write an interpreter or something? |
| 11:51 |
thexyz |
I see |
| 11:51 |
thexyz |
we had this too |
| 11:53 |
reactor |
Manipulating whose strings? |
| 11:54 |
Megaf |
proller, that made it |
| 11:54 |
Megaf |
building |
| 11:54 |
reactor |
bullying |
| 11:55 |
Megaf |
I stopped, gonna get the latest git firstg |
| 11:55 |
Megaf |
first |
| 11:55 |
reactor |
fisting? |
| 11:58 |
Megaf |
proller, do you have that forum topic handy? |
| 11:58 |
proller |
to update - git pull; git submodule update --init --recursive |
| 11:59 |
Megaf |
I want the whole thing, to download from 0 |
| 11:59 |
proller |
git clone --recursive -b next https://github.com/proller/minetest.git minetest_next |
| 12:03 |
proller |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7033 |
| 12:05 |
Megaf |
proller, so, this next is supposed to be much faster |
| 12:06 |
Megaf |
is that right? |
| 12:06 |
proller |
for server - ye |
| 12:06 |
proller |
for client - ~ same fps, but more view range |
| 12:06 |
Megaf |
and is it compatible with normal minetest clients? |
| 12:08 |
proller |
yes |
| 12:14 |
proller |
git clone https://github.com/proller/minetest.git && cd minetest && git checkout next && git submodule update --init --recursive |
| 12:15 |
OldCoder |
reactor, Hi! Actually, it appears that I have lost most of the group that used to be on my worlds. I have nobody to build. |
| 12:15 |
OldCoder |
But we will see |
| 12:15 |
reactor |
mk |
| 12:15 |
OldCoder |
I will continue to repair the worlds and see if anybody comes |
| 12:15 |
OldCoder |
After all the machine is 32GB RAM and Octocore. It is acceptable :P |
| 12:16 |
OldCoder |
reactor, make any tweaks to your world and let me know |
| 12:16 |
OldCoder |
I will review the catalog and ask questions |
| 12:16 |
reactor |
I don't have any yet. |
| 12:16 |
OldCoder |
That is fine |
| 12:16 |
VanessaE |
that beats the hell out of the 1GB + 8 cores I have at my disposal at linode :) |
| 12:16 |
OldCoder |
But you have people |
| 12:16 |
OldCoder |
I do not |
| 12:16 |
VanessaE |
barely... |
| 12:16 |
OldCoder |
People trump cores |
| 12:17 |
OldCoder |
Well, the worlds are good |
| 12:17 |
VanessaE |
when my servers aren't busy exposing client-side bugs and causing crashes |
| 12:17 |
OldCoder |
But the trend is up |
| 12:17 |
OldCoder |
Software is clearly improving |
| 12:17 |
OldCoder |
It is time to go to the office and work |
| 12:17 |
OldCoder |
Late! 4:20am! |
| 12:17 |
VanessaE |
have a good day |
| 12:17 |
* OldCoder |
will connect from the office |
| 12:18 |
VanessaE |
I'm off to bed |
| 12:18 |
OldCoder |
So actually I will c u i a b |
| 12:18 |
VanessaE |
(also late) |
| 12:18 |
OldCoder |
Night and day then |
| 12:18 |
OldCoder |
o/ |
| 12:19 |
reactor |
! |
| 12:31 |
proller |
no |
| 12:32 |
sfan5 |
hi everyone |
| 12:37 |
sfan5 |
firefox does not play my apng at all :( |
| 12:41 |
sfan5 |
yes these work |
| 12:42 |
sfan5 |
try this one http://sfan5.duckdns.org/out.png |
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sfan5 |
that are the first 25 frames of the "blood lad" intro |
| 12:43 |
sfan5 |
firefox doesn't do anything at all |
| 12:43 |
sfan5 |
while chrome happily plays it (with the addon) |
| 12:46 |
reactor |
Browsers suck nowadays. |
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sfan5 |
ok, back to testing how many frames I can make chrome play |
| 12:47 |
sfan5 |
400 works |
| 12:47 |
sfan5 |
lets try 500 |
| 12:48 |
sfan5 |
that works too |
| 12:48 |
Peacock |
then who was phone? |
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iqualfragile |
sfan5: The requested URL /out.png was not found on this server. |
| 13:05 |
sfan5 |
I deleted it.. one sec |
| 13:06 |
sfan5 |
try again |
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iqualfragile |
sfan5: hmm… go report a bug i guess |
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thexyz |
Peacock: hai |
| 13:48 |
thexyz |
Peacock: VE told me you have that branch with colored lights |
| 13:48 |
thexyz |
sfan5: nice black image |
| 13:48 |
sfan5 |
it's an APNG |
| 13:48 |
sfan5 |
but doesn't work in firefox |
| 13:48 |
thexyz |
meh |
| 13:48 |
thexyz |
you're overengineering |
| 13:48 |
thexyz |
just encode it to h264 |
| 13:49 |
Peacock |
https://github.com/Queatz/minetest/tree/colored_light doesn't work |
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sfan5 |
well.. |
| 13:49 |
Peacock |
but this does, though i couldn't (on my own) find the relevant code, if it's there https://github.com/Queatz/minetest |
| 13:49 |
sfan5 |
I wanted to make an APNG from a video, just for testing |
| 13:50 |
sfan5 |
I used this python script https://gist.github.com/sfan5/7691388 |
| 13:52 |
Peacock |
though if jacobf by his own admission had merge problems in march 2012, not sure how useful it would be now |
| 13:58 |
thexyz |
Peacock: thanks, I'll try it |
| 14:00 |
Peacock |
heads up though, it wouldn't compile on my setup |
| 14:02 |
troller |
find area with high humidity |
| 14:02 |
thexyz |
Peacock: I can't find any colored lights here |
| 14:02 |
troller |
65+ |
| 14:02 |
thexyz |
can't find related commits in the commit log either |
| 14:02 |
Peacock |
yeah i think jacobf put them in his colored_light branch which he later deleted :/ |
| 14:03 |
Peacock |
only reason i tried compiling his main minetest repo in case it was there |
| 14:03 |
thexyz |
so do you actually have it? |
| 14:03 |
Peacock |
no i never had the colored_light branch of his, VE knew that |
| 14:04 |
Peacock |
or at least i told her, dont know if she remembered lol |
| 14:04 |
thexyz |
alright |
| 14:04 |
thexyz |
so maybe someone else still has it lying somewhere? |
| 14:05 |
Peacock |
maybe one of the people in this thread https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1262 |
| 14:05 |
Peacock |
he did post the repo so maybe someone tried it |
| 14:06 |
thexyz |
of course i will just email him |
| 14:06 |
thexyz |
sfan5: you did post in the thread though you should have it |
| 14:06 |
Peacock |
yeah that was gonna be my next suggestion lol you guys can see private emails |
| 14:07 |
sfan5 |
thexyz: I always clone such stuff to /tmp |
| 14:07 |
thexyz |
fug u -( |
| 14:07 |
thexyz |
Peacock: it's also available in the commit log |
| 14:08 |
thexyz |
I always hate it when the internet loses some data |
| 14:08 |
Peacock |
i'll be damned |
| 14:08 |
Peacock |
i never thought to check https://github.com/Queatz/ |
| 14:08 |
Peacock |
at least we know he's still active on GH |
| 14:08 |
OldCoder |
Is anybody able to comment on the state of git current? Should I update to 0.8.4 stable or git? |
| 14:09 |
OldCoder |
git current looked a bit crashy the other day |
| 14:09 |
Peacock |
0.8.4's not out yet :P |
| 14:09 |
OldCoder |
Actually I believe it is |
| 14:09 |
sfan5 |
unless you need better rollback and a working line_of_sight use 0.4.8 |
| 14:09 |
Peacock |
0.4.8 is :P |
| 14:09 |
OldCoder |
Ah! |
| 14:09 |
OldCoder |
<- dyslexic today |
| 14:09 |
OldCoder |
sfan5, t y |
| 14:10 |
Peacock |
dyslexia's more manageable than seeing anagrams everywhere lol |
| 14:10 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, Hi! Will you test Zegaton?! |
| 14:10 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, we all do that |
| 14:10 |
sfan5 |
Imagine how confused people would be if you used major.patch.minor instead of major.minor.patch |
| 14:10 |
Peacock |
reading too fast lol |
| 14:10 |
OldCoder |
Ha |
| 14:10 |
Peacock |
meh i'd just use 0.48 |
| 14:10 |
Peacock |
same difference, fewer keystrokes lol |
| 14:11 |
sfan5 |
what 'bout 048? |
| 14:11 |
OldCoder |
048 is great it is our fate to use 048 |
| 14:11 |
OldCoder |
Mate |
| 14:11 |
Peacock |
would work too |
| 14:11 |
Peacock |
but at least 0.48 implies beta |
| 14:12 |
Peacock |
when 1.0 then you know the software is more or less "complete" |
| 14:13 |
Peacock |
i guess im just used to VLC version numbers |
| 14:13 |
thexyz |
> vlc |
| 14:13 |
thexyz |
do you know why vlc logo is a cone? |
| 14:13 |
thexyz |
> On day, people from the VIA association (VIA is a students' network association with many clubs ... amongst those is VideoLAN. More info here : http://www.via.ecp.fr ) came back drunk with a cone. They then began a cone collection (which is now quite impressive i must say). Some time later, the VideoLAN project began and they decided to use the cone as their logo. |
| 14:15 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, the cache solves that issue |
| 14:15 |
OldCoder |
Does it not? |
| 14:15 |
* OldCoder |
is simply inquiring |
| 14:15 |
OldCoder |
I will update to 0.4.8 |
| 14:15 |
OldCoder |
Build a new cache myself |
| 14:15 |
OldCoder |
Would be interested to know |
| 14:15 |
OldCoder |
If the cache does address the issue |
| 14:15 |
Peacock |
i've often woken up short a few memory engrams and plus some odd objects lol |
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| 14:16 |
OldCoder |
And hopefully httpfetch will solve the problem once and for all |
| 14:16 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, ? |
| 14:16 |
OldCoder |
THere are no more mods than before |
| 14:16 |
OldCoder |
AFAIK |
| 14:16 |
thexyz |
what's the status of httpfetch? |
| 14:16 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, I think planned for end of year |
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| 14:16 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, that is not "thousands of mods" |
| 14:16 |
OldCoder |
:-) |
| 14:16 |
OldCoder |
That is *one* mod |
| 14:17 |
OldCoder |
And it is important to the future of the project I think |
| 14:17 |
OldCoder |
Yes |
| 14:17 |
OldCoder |
See notes above; "thousands of mods" and media for one mod are separate issues. Media is addressed by cache and httpfetch. |
| 14:17 |
* OldCoder |
is not arguing; simply thinking about this |
| 14:17 |
thexyz |
OldCoder: I'm more interested in whether it works now |
| 14:17 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, Nope |
| 14:17 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, Wait |
| 14:17 |
thexyz |
I see |
| 14:18 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, if you apply |
| 14:18 |
OldCoder |
a client-side patch |
| 14:18 |
OldCoder |
It appears to work fine |
| 14:18 |
OldCoder |
Speeds things up |
| 14:18 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, Hm? Sorry, what won't connect? Trying now? |
| 14:18 |
thexyz |
so it actually does work |
| 14:18 |
thexyz |
just not merged |
| 14:18 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, I tested it weeks ago |
| 14:18 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, I will look in a few minutes |
| 14:19 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, I am told that there are pieces they wish to add on the server side |
| 14:19 |
OldCoder |
But I would like to see the client side merged now |
| 14:19 |
OldCoder |
So that I can make users like john_minetest happier |
| 14:19 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, One issue is that some type of fixes that Sapier is working on |
| 14:19 |
OldCoder |
conflict with the server side parts of httpfetch. But I believe that a subset of httpfetch could be merged soon. |
| 14:19 |
OldCoder |
Done |
| 14:19 |
OldCoder |
|
| 14:20 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, Basically curl fails now. It does not pull all textures. Ask Vanessa. |
| 14:20 |
OldCoder |
The client side patch seemed to fix this |
| 14:20 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, Very well! But this is not 0.4.8 yet; I need to update and rebuild the cache for you |
| 14:22 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, anyway I trust we are clear; yes, the music issue should be addressed. I favor this approach: (a) httpfetch, (b) eventually TCP instead of UDP, (c) client-side checkbox to turn off sound, (d) eventually merge music into game. Why not use cache today? |
| 14:23 |
Peacock |
if you're gonna merge music you need to increas the timeouts when users join a server so they can dl the first time |
| 14:23 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, I will turn off music for Zegaton at any rte |
| 14:23 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, see notes above; I believe I agree |
| 14:24 |
OldCoder |
Music should be merged |
| 14:24 |
OldCoder |
But they have enough to deal with for the moment |
| 14:24 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, Yes |
| 14:24 |
Peacock |
tho. personally i think the more you play the more annoying the music gets, unless you have lots of variety and change them regularly |
| 14:24 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, I agree with that too. But one step at a time. |
| 14:24 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, See note above. I will turn it off permanently as this is your world. |
| 14:24 |
OldCoder |
Isn't Zeg9 around still? I rarely see him |
| 14:25 |
Peacock |
i also think midi might be cool, kindof arcade and low tech, seems like a fit for voxely worlds |
| 14:25 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, Agreed again! |
| 14:25 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, care to work on a MIDI Mod? |
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| 14:25 |
Peacock |
midi mod's not the problem, can the engine play them? |
| 14:25 |
OldCoder |
And that would solve the large data problem! |
| 14:25 |
OldCoder |
Peacock, I don't know but I am sure could be added |
| 14:26 |
OldCoder |
VanessaE, how about MIDI for Minetest? |
| 14:26 |
OldCoder |
<Peacock> i also think midi might be cool, kindof arcade and low tech, seems like a fit for voxely worlds |
| 14:26 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, I am looking for 0.4.8 git link... do you have it? |
| 14:26 |
OldCoder |
I will update the server now |
| 14:26 |
OldCoder |
And turn off Ambient simultaneously for you |
| 14:27 |
OldCoder |
No |
| 14:27 |
OldCoder |
That will pull git current right? |
| 14:27 |
OldCoder |
One of the others gave me the "stable" link; checking logs now |
| 14:28 |
OldCoder |
Hmm |
| 14:28 |
* OldCoder |
looks |
| 14:28 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 14:28 |
OldCoder |
It is git checkout afterward... |
| 14:28 |
OldCoder |
git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git whatever && cd whatever && git checkout stable-0.4 |
| 14:28 |
OldCoder |
Like that, right? |
| 14:29 |
* OldCoder |
proceeds |
| 14:30 |
thexyz |
everything? |
| 14:30 |
thexyz |
how did you like that linux release which borked your drive? |
| 14:30 |
thexyz |
oh |
| 14:30 |
thexyz |
that's not really everything though |
| 14:31 |
thexyz |
it'd be fun to have a distro which always uses latest-commit software version |
| 14:31 |
thexyz |
if it builds, of course |
| 14:31 |
thexyz |
"so bleeding edge it hurts" |
| 14:32 |
Peacock |
often it builds, whether you can update successfully or not, thats another thing |
| 14:32 |
thexyz |
I can't make a distro |
| 14:32 |
thexyz |
Peacock: of course! that's the fun part |
| 14:32 |
thexyz |
I remember some discussion where some arch maintainer said that cron scripts build packages for him |
| 14:33 |
thexyz |
cool, eh? |
| 14:33 |
Peacock |
Children of the Cron |
| 14:33 |
thexyz |
it was like "i'll be away for a while but that's no problem, you still get package updates" |
| 14:33 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, You can make a distro |
| 14:33 |
Peacock |
i hear remastersys is looking for a maintainer |
| 14:33 |
thexyz |
OldCoder: I probably can but for now I'm not willing to |
| 14:33 |
OldCoder |
gentoo |
| 14:33 |
thexyz |
yes, I use it |
| 14:33 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, your own distro by default |
| 14:33 |
thexyz |
and it seems I suck at making distros |
| 14:34 |
OldCoder |
Bonsai Kitten always says just use overlays to Gentoo |
| 14:34 |
OldCoder |
Cloned 0.4.8 stable |
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OldCoder |
? |
| 14:35 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, I am shutting down my worlds to rebuild. Zegaton will return in a bit with 0.4.8. |
| 14:37 |
thexyz |
what's the size? |
| 14:38 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, sure... |
| 14:38 |
OldCoder |
Odd; I can't think of the name |
| 14:38 |
OldCoder |
Starts with an s |
| 14:38 |
OldCoder |
SendSpace |
| 14:38 |
OldCoder |
Use them |
| 14:38 |
OldCoder |
No need to register; they provide delete links |
| 14:38 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: pomf.se |
| 14:39 |
OldCoder |
Let's see how fast an octocore can compile Minetest |
| 14:40 |
OldCoder |
Is 64 seconds good? |
| 14:41 |
thexyz |
OldCoder: server only or both? |
| 14:41 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: so much bloat |
| 14:41 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, I think I just compiled the server |
| 14:42 |
thexyz |
alright, let's see |
| 14:43 |
thexyz |
real0m31.812s |
| 14:43 |
thexyz |
I got swapp'd |
| 14:43 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, Interesting; why were you twice as fast as me? |
| 14:43 |
OldCoder |
Waut |
| 14:43 |
OldCoder |
Wait |
| 14:43 |
thexyz |
because running two VMs and compiling Minetest with -j10 is probably not a good idea |
| 14:43 |
OldCoder |
I built client too |
| 14:43 |
thexyz |
okay |
| 14:44 |
OldCoder |
I used -j8 |
| 14:44 |
thexyz |
oh, I guess I should set it to twice number the threads? |
| 14:45 |
OldCoder |
I will try -j16 |
| 14:45 |
OldCoder |
I am also using -O2 |
| 14:45 |
OldCoder |
Hmm but not client after all |
| 14:46 |
thexyz |
both server and client take 1m7.085s |
| 14:46 |
OldCoder |
Doesn't seem to be using all the cores |
| 14:46 |
thexyz |
8 gb of ram is not enough those days it seems |
| 14:47 |
OldCoder |
640KB is enough! :P |
| 14:47 |
thexyz |
said no one ever |
| 14:48 |
OldCoder |
yes |
| 14:49 |
thexyz |
A daily reminder that you should be buying LTC right now. |
| 14:49 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, some people say double # of cores |
| 14:49 |
OldCoder |
LTC? |
| 14:49 |
thexyz |
litecoin |
| 14:49 |
OldCoder |
Ah |
| 14:49 |
OldCoder |
More bubbles |
| 14:49 |
OldCoder |
Should I bother trying to mine bitcoins? And can litecoins be mined? |
| 14:50 |
thexyz |
no, unless you have a farm of ASICs |
| 14:50 |
Peacock |
i just read a forbes piece that says the rise in btc value might have something to do with the cryptolocker malware that demands ransom in bitcoins to decrypt victim's files :/ |
| 14:50 |
OldCoder |
thexyz, john_minetest even with -j16 it takes me 66 seconds real time to compile the server alone. Is this substandard? |
| 14:50 |
thexyz |
Peacock: oh that's nice |
| 14:50 |
thexyz |
thanks to kind Windows users many people got rich |
| 14:51 |
OldCoder |
reactor, are you around? |
| 14:51 |
thexyz |
running whatever shit .exe they get |
| 14:51 |
reactor |
I am. |
| 14:51 |
Peacock |
here it is http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2013/11/27/cryptolocker-thieves-likely-making-millions-as-bitcoin-breaks-1000/ |
| 14:51 |
Peacock |
well that's what you get for opening random attachments |
| 14:51 |
thexyz |
indeed |
| 14:51 |
Peacock |
a police dept. in the US even admitted to paying off the ransom in BTC |
| 14:51 |
Peacock |
2K$ |
| 14:51 |
thexyz |
and for Windows that's even worse because there's no app store of any kind |
| 14:52 |
thexyz |
repository |
| 14:52 |
thexyz |
call it whatever you want |
| 14:52 |
thexyz |
and most of time on Windows you download .exe files without signatures over a plain http |
| 14:52 |
Peacock |
i guess the closest thing would be steam (but just for games) |
| 14:53 |
OldCoder |
reactor, PM thanks |
| 14:53 |
reactor |
? |
| 14:53 |
OldCoder |
reactor, Please PM |
| 14:53 |
reactor |
There. |
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MinetestBot |
EvergreenTree: <Jordach> stainless steel complete, reactor placed, oh, and we need some hv cables |
| 14:54 |
MinetestBot |
john_minetest: I'll pass that on when Zeg9 is around |
| 14:55 |
EvergreenTree |
A little late, already found out. :P |
| 14:56 |
thexyz |
http://cachemonet.com/ (sound) |
| 14:57 |
reactor |
EvergreenTree: ?! |
| 14:57 |
EvergreenTree |
reactor, sorry, just talking about VanessaE's survival server |
| 14:58 |
reactor |
Mk. |
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OldCoder |
john_minetest, I will be working on updates for a bit. Preparing new world setup scripts. |
| 15:00 |
OldCoder |
Actually I will rest briefly first |
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BlockMen |
hi everyone |
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EvergreenTree |
reactor, there are nuclear reactors in technic |
| 15:06 |
reactor |
I know. |
| 15:07 |
reactor |
I forgot to say "hello". |
| 15:07 |
reactor |
So, hi, EvergreenTree! |
| 15:07 |
EvergreenTree |
Hi reactor |
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OldCoder |
john_minetest, see above |
| 15:12 |
OldCoder |
I have decided to redo my scripts and make everything tidy |
| 15:13 |
OldCoder |
Zegaton will be one of the first worlds in the new framework |
| 15:13 |
OldCoder |
Possibly an hour or two |
| 15:13 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, I will be very grateful if you are able to test |
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OldCoder |
k |
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OldCoder |
Working on scripts now |
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reactor |
john_minetest: lol |
| 15:44 |
reactor |
I don't agree with the one about country music, though :D |
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reactor |
Get your motor running, head out on the highway. Looking for adventure, and whatever comes our way! |
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fmcd |
am i better off on 32bit or 64bit linux for minetest |
| 15:57 |
Jordach |
64 |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
64 |
| 15:58 |
Peacock |
128 |
| 15:58 |
Calinou |
16777216 |
| 15:58 |
Exio4 |
256, 512, 1024 |
| 15:58 |
Peacock |
i win, bitches |
| 15:58 |
Exio4 |
ew |
| 15:58 |
Exio4 |
Calinou: 1267650600228229401496703205376 |
| 15:58 |
Exio4 |
:D |
| 15:58 |
Exio4 |
1024^10 |
| 15:58 |
reactor |
Overflow. |
| 15:58 |
fmcd |
oh i was just gonna split the difference and go with 48 |
| 15:59 |
Peacock |
need anymore intelligent advice? :P |
| 15:59 |
Exio4 |
haha |
| 15:59 |
fmcd |
but really does it actually run faster on 64 bit linux? |
| 15:59 |
Peacock |
only if you have a 64 bit processor |
| 15:59 |
fmcd |
yeah its a 64 bitamd |
| 15:59 |
fmcd |
turion x2 or something |
| 16:00 |
reactor |
MKay. |
| 16:00 |
reactor |
It should work. |
| 16:00 |
fmcd |
just be concerned if there was libs that were only available in 32 |
| 16:00 |
fmcd |
that were being wrapped |
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Calinou |
fmcd, it can run a bit faster like most software |
| 16:01 |
Calinou |
I'd still do it because it is just more modern, and your CPU lets you do it |
| 16:01 |
fmcd |
i'll give it a go |
| 16:01 |
Exio4 |
the run faster thing is because 64 bit means sse2 enabled and other optimization shit by default |
| 16:02 |
reactor |
You can directly adderss more memory with 64 bit. |
| 16:02 |
fmcd |
yeah.. games can probably take advantage of htat stuff more than most |
| 16:02 |
reactor |
That's the only advantage that I see. |
| 16:02 |
Exio4 |
also, luajit :P |
| 16:02 |
fmcd |
i presume 64 bit instruction set can move stuff faster |
| 16:02 |
reactor |
I run a 64 bit OS here. |
| 16:04 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, It will take days to redo my scripts. So I've restarted the existing worlds but turned off Ambience for Zegaton. |
| 16:04 |
Peacock |
if ya'll want a good laugh http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/28/1439216/free-software-foundation-announces-2013-holiday-giving-guide |
| 16:05 |
Peacock |
(free pony if you figure out which comments' mine ) :P |
| 16:05 |
Jordach |
merry fucking christmas |
| 16:13 |
fmcd |
The 2013 MY-Escape with the 1.6-liter engine has a potential for localized overheating of the engine cylinder head. The head could crack, which would leak oil, which could cause a fire. |
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OldCoder |
anunakki, Hi |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Don't use variable length arrays ff25218374 2013-11-28T08:22:41-08:00 http://git.io/pW8h8Q |
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PilzAdam |
Hello everyone! |
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OldCoder |
john_minetest, ambience should be disabled; checking |
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OldCoder |
Pilzello |
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OldCoder |
john_minetest, network issue? |
| 16:50 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, ambience confirmed off |
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OldCoder |
john_minetest, Where is ShadowNinja server? |
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OldCoder |
john_minetest, All I can tell you is that my disk and network are very very fast |
| 16:51 |
OldCoder |
And that the despised :P mod is disabled |
| 16:51 |
OldCoder |
If anybody in the U.S. is willing to connect that may provide more information |
| 16:51 |
OldCoder |
john_minetest, yes but you are overseas |
| 16:52 |
OldCoder |
Possibly; find out sometime where ShadowNinja is |
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OldCoder |
I regret any issues and I will be running Euroservers again |
| 16:52 |
OldCoder |
But need to nail this down |
| 16:53 |
ShadowNinja |
The server is in New York. |
| 16:53 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, Interesting. Mine is also East Coast. |
| 16:53 |
OldCoder |
ShadowNinja, willing to try to connect to Zegaton? |
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| 16:59 |
Peacock |
i saw the huge snowbanks outside so i implemented my contingency plan: i went to the off-license |
| 17:08 |
Jordach |
+1 |
| 17:13 |
Peacock |
phase 1 of 12 of my plan complete XD |
| 17:13 |
Peacock |
'muricans? ping VE |
| 17:13 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, arent you american? |
| 17:13 |
Peacock |
how many muricans speak a 2nd language? |
| 17:13 |
Peacock |
french canadian :P |
| 17:14 |
PilzAdam |
Canada is in (North) America |
| 17:14 |
Peacock |
well it's generally taken for granted that american means USA citizen, |
| 17:14 |
Peacock |
USAian just sounds like asian otherwise |
| 17:14 |
PilzAdam |
he would have said US american if he meant that |
| 17:14 |
Peacock |
naw |
| 17:15 |
Peacock |
american = US, North American = US,CAN |
| 17:15 |
Peacock |
at least thats the distinction we use here |
| 17:16 |
Peacock |
hell i'm not even sure americans know canada is in north america lol |
| 17:16 |
PilzAdam |
canada is the mexiko on the other side |
| 17:17 |
Peacock |
yeah except without the cartels, corrupt police and a much higher standard of living lol |
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Peacock |
though we get crooked politicians instead and tons of snow |
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| 17:19 |
Peacock |
though crooked politicians seem to be a feature anywhere there's a lot of tax dollars to spend... |
| 17:21 |
Peacock |
fool, thanksgiving was nearly two months ago :P |
| 17:22 |
EvergreenTree |
!title |
| 17:22 |
MinetestBot |
EvergreenTree: Thanksgiving Etiquette - YouTube |
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Peacock |
and ours was sometime in october |
| 17:24 |
Peacock |
i forget which date lol |
| 17:25 |
Peacock |
im also bad with remembering easter, my birthday (or anyone elses) |
| 17:26 |
Peacock |
and for the americans it's black friday, we have black history month in february, and the dutch have zwarte piet (sp?) |
| 17:28 |
Peacock |
and it has different names all over the place |
| 17:28 |
Peacock |
including saint nich himself |
| 17:28 |
Peacock |
naw, you forget chinese new year :P |
| 17:29 |
Peacock |
didn't new year used to be april 1st on... uhm, julian calendar? |
| 17:29 |
Peacock |
im glad some people still enjoy the holidays lol |
| 17:30 |
Peacock |
i have family spread over north, central and south america |
| 17:30 |
Peacock |
and while the wife's family is concentrated in the same area, there's a whole fucking lot more of em to visit lol |
| 17:32 |
PilzAdam |
I am studying 10km away from home |
| 17:33 |
Peacock |
thats not too bad, as a kid we did Toronto - Quebec (about 800km) |
| 17:33 |
NakedFury |
76.0 km from home |
| 17:33 |
NakedFury |
a 58 minute drive |
| 17:33 |
Peacock |
my sister, brother in law and niece are 3900km away lol |
| 17:34 |
NakedFury |
that is far |
| 17:34 |
Peacock |
and i have no effing clue how far puerto vallarta and lima are from here lol |
| 17:34 |
Peacock |
but its probably alot more lol |
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| 17:35 |
Peacock |
yep |
| 17:35 |
NakedFury |
well google "distance from X(your town or country to lima" |
| 17:35 |
Peacock |
just did |
| 17:35 |
Peacock |
"complicated... You might even have to swim. May we suggest you fly instead?" |
| 17:35 |
Peacock |
thats what travel math told me lol |
| 17:36 |
Peacock |
montreal - lima = 6400km |
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| 17:36 |
PilzAdam |
NakedFury, http://xkcd.com/859/ |
| 17:37 |
NakedFury |
you want me to close it? |
| 17:37 |
PilzAdam |
yes please |
| 17:37 |
NakedFury |
well google "distance from X(your town or country) to lima" |
| 17:38 |
Peacock |
? just said, lol 6400km |
| 17:38 |
NakedFury |
I know but I missed a ) to close a statement and PilzAdam was gonna have to live with that forever so I had to close it |
| 17:39 |
PilzAdam |
now everything is balanced again :-) |
| 17:39 |
Peacock |
oh lol didn't notice :P |
| 17:39 |
NakedFury |
also yesterday night someone was looking for you because they think you have the source code for colored lights |
| 17:40 |
NakedFury |
thexyz I think |
| 17:40 |
Peacock |
yeah xyz i pointed him to queatz's github but his code is gone |
| 17:40 |
Peacock |
so i think he emailed him |
| 17:40 |
Peacock |
who knows, if the guy archives shit like i do he's probably got a few folders worth of backups lol |
| 17:41 |
Peacock |
(hopefully he labels them better than i do lol) |
| 17:41 |
NakedFury |
and minetest maybe got a new user interested in modding |
| 17:41 |
Peacock |
well speaking of modders, what exactly happened to dan ducombe? |
| 17:41 |
Peacock |
was it him that posted the cracked APK? |
| 17:42 |
NakedFury |
no idea |
| 17:42 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, no |
| 17:42 |
NakedFury |
minetest seems to attract the good and the bad. sadly the bad are pretty emotionaly unstable |
| 17:42 |
thexyz |
yes indeed i did |
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thexyz |
Peacock: it was mrtux and I've already unbanned him because this stuff's got removed from the play store |
| 17:43 |
Peacock |
mrtux != novatux? |
| 17:43 |
thexyz |
dunno |
| 17:43 |
Peacock |
yeah i noticed both the thread and app are gone lol |
| 17:43 |
Peacock |
that escalated quickly lol |
| 17:45 |
Peacock |
nakedfury the creative usually are emotionally unstable |
| 17:45 |
Peacock |
but i still dont get what dan did then to get himself banned |
| 17:45 |
PilzAdam |
dan is banned? |
| 17:45 |
Peacock |
seems so https://forum.minetest.net/profile.php?id=5529 |
| 17:46 |
Peacock |
though all his threads seem intact and theres nothing in his post history to suggest a reason :/ |
| 17:50 |
FreeFull |
I know there was a person who asked to be banned. I'm not sure who that was though |
| 17:50 |
Jordach |
FreeFull, that same person banned me from his server for criticising me |
| 17:50 |
Jordach |
s/me/him |
| 17:51 |
Peacock |
well if i criticized myself publicly id ban myself to the nearest sanitarium as well :P |
| 17:52 |
Peacock |
i dont quite get though why people have to ask to be banned, it's like their addicted |
| 17:52 |
Jordach |
one more block and they just can't stop |
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Peacock |
well in most cases it just amounts to a break anyhow so they might as well just take a break lol (cornernote's back) |
| 17:54 |
Peacock |
constantly playing/modding the same game can drive anyone nuts otherwise |
| 17:55 |
NakedFury |
they can take a break the problem is what they do just before going on break |
| 17:55 |
Peacock |
well yeah usually it's what happens that makes them realize they need a break lol |
| 17:56 |
Peacock |
god knows in 3 years ive taken 3 breaks of several months off, usually the summers so i can be outdoors and take in the sun on the beach |
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rubenwardy |
Hi all |
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NakedFury |
hi |
| 18:00 |
Peacock |
howdy reubensandwich XD |
| 18:01 |
Peacock |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Corn_beef_Reuben_sandwich.jpg |
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MinetestBot |
Zeg9: <john_minetest> Come here more often. |
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Jordach |
john_minetest, i got a nuclear reactor active at ve-survival |
| 18:02 |
Peacock |
oh yeah, well i got warp cores, top that :P |
| 18:03 |
Jordach |
Peacock, you used /giveme mine's legit |
| 18:03 |
OldCoder |
Zeg9, Hi! |
| 18:03 |
Zeg9 |
Hello! |
| 18:03 |
OldCoder |
Zeg9, I wish to proceed with Zegaton and making sure my copies of your mods are updated |
| 18:03 |
Peacock |
well of course i hardly ever write crafts |
| 18:03 |
Peacock |
i need to do those before putting up a server |
| 18:03 |
OldCoder |
Zeg9, I do not Skype; may we talk here occasionally? |
| 18:03 |
Zeg9 |
of course |
| 18:03 |
Zeg9 |
but I don't have much time tonight |
| 18:06 |
Peacock |
though my space game crafts should be easier, 5x5 grid |
| 18:06 |
OldCoder |
Zeg9, No need tonight |
| 18:06 |
OldCoder |
Zeg9, I simply wish to stay in touch and debug the worlds |
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rubenwardy |
Peacock, I love corned beef |
| 18:09 |
rubenwardy |
Sorry for delayed reply, "reubensandwich" is not on my highlight list |
| 18:09 |
Peacock |
corned beef and smoked meat :-) |
| 18:15 |
Peacock |
though that picture i posted looks like a heart attack and a half |
| 18:16 |
thexyz |
look at this ripoff https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7864 |
| 18:17 |
NakedFury |
is this: It aims to make the game fun while trading off some bits of perfectionism. a criticism from some of minetest devs? |
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thexyz |
of course it's not |
| 18:17 |
thexyz |
how dare you to think that |
| 18:17 |
Jordach |
baww, someone bored with their tiny shoes |
| 18:19 |
rubenwardy |
are you really an admin on there? |
| 18:19 |
thexyz |
yes I am |
| 18:20 |
thexyz |
you didn't specify, where, but I am on both |
| 18:20 |
rubenwardy |
Then why are you saying it is a rip off? |
| 18:20 |
thexyz |
it's a joke |
| 18:20 |
thexyz |
I do that sometimes |
| 18:21 |
rubenwardy |
oh ok |
| 18:21 |
PilzAdam |
thexyz, how about moving that to "Minetest related projects"? |
| 18:21 |
rubenwardy |
I was thinking that |
| 18:22 |
rubenwardy |
thexyz: pm |
| 18:26 |
Peacock |
was that colored light stuff in relation to MT or FM? |
| 18:27 |
thexyz |
well, it's obvious that it can't get into MT |
| 18:27 |
Peacock |
thats what VE and I thought too lol |
| 18:29 |
Peacock |
though honestly i can understand why HW lighting would have been better for that, lighting in general needs alot of work |
| 18:30 |
NakedFury |
lightning alone would make a x.x.1+ version |
| 18:30 |
Peacock |
well anyone who saw the trouble me and paramat were having with asteroid shadows would know lol |
| 18:32 |
Peacock |
so yeah, sweet, we'll have MT, FM, and possibly MT2 if that rewrite idea goes ahead :-) |
| 18:36 |
FreeFull |
What would the rewrite do? |
| 18:36 |
FreeFull |
And what's FM? |
| 18:36 |
Peacock |
freeminer = FM |
| 18:37 |
Peacock |
not sure what the rewrite would do, all i know is c55 wants to overhaul the present codebase |
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| 18:37 |
FreeFull |
freeminer.net? |
| 18:38 |
troller |
http://freeminer.org/ |
| 18:39 |
FreeFull |
Ok, seems there are two freeminers |
| 18:39 |
Peacock |
under API changes one thing seems fuzzy: dont abm's already support a neighbors param, or is neighbor some sort of conditional true/false function in FM? |
| 18:40 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, the rewrite from c55 would be more of a private project |
| 18:40 |
FreeFull |
None of the differences between freeminer and minetest are listed on the website |
| 18:41 |
Peacock |
well in any case concurrent development of multiple engines would probably bring alot more features and testing of said features :-) |
| 18:41 |
troller |
Peacock, its neighbor passed to action() |
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| 18:41 |
Peacock |
Freefull http://forum.freeminer.org/threads/freeminer-0-4-8-0.3/ |
| 18:43 |
Peacock |
the only thing that might be tricky is supporting the same mod across different engines |
| 18:43 |
Peacock |
tho isn't there some sort of get version function? |
| 18:49 |
thexyz |
and there shouldn't be |
| 18:49 |
thexyz |
there should be a list of features the engine supports |
| 18:51 |
Peacock |
well the abms are slightly different, so say someone wanted to write a mod for both engines, could you use something like if get_version() == 'freeminer0.xx' then abm elseif get_version() == 'minetest0.xx' then ... |
| 18:52 |
rubenwardy |
For api features you can do "if minetest.add_particle_spawner" |
| 18:52 |
rubenwardy |
There is no need to get game engine |
| 18:52 |
rubenwardy |
they have the same api |
| 18:52 |
Peacock |
might be easier to write seperate mods in that case rather than check if each function works |
| 18:52 |
Peacock |
yeah though i imagine with time that'll change? |
| 18:53 |
Peacock |
unless one of the two implements all of the others' changes |
| 18:54 |
Peacock |
i may just be tired too and not getting it lol been up since 23hrs EST (yesterday) |
| 18:54 |
Peacock |
lol |
| 18:54 |
Peacock |
i have a pretty good idea, read the dev logs :P |
| 18:55 |
PilzAdam |
"since 23hrs EST (yesterday)" |
| 18:55 |
PilzAdam |
why do you have to add a timezone when talking about a duration? |
| 18:55 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: exactly |
| 18:55 |
Peacock |
because you're in a different timezone :P |
| 18:55 |
Peacock |
as are most here |
| 18:55 |
PilzAdam |
but 23 hours here are also 23 in america |
| 18:55 |
Peacock |
well america has different timezones |
| 18:56 |
Peacock |
people on the east coast hit the sack while people on the west coast are having dinner |
| 18:56 |
PilzAdam |
and they are also 23 hours in other galaxies |
| 18:56 |
Peacock |
allright let me put it another way, been up all night and half the day :P |
| 18:56 |
PilzAdam |
you only need to add a note about the timezone when talking about a specific point in time, not when talking about duration |
| 18:57 |
Peacock |
well thats what i said? i woke up at 23hrs EST |
| 18:57 |
PilzAdam |
you mean 23:OO ? |
| 18:57 |
Peacock |
yeah 2300 or 11pm |
| 18:57 |
PilzAdam |
well you used a kinda odd format |
| 18:58 |
Peacock |
thats the fatigue part lol |
| 18:58 |
Peacock |
got this giant hole in my bathroom ceiling and the guy's supposed to come one of these days to fix it |
| 18:59 |
Peacock |
(spent all of last week not sleeping either waiting for the plumber to come twice and fix the leak) |
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thexyz |
john_minetest: that's mostly related to merging thinks and communicating about things |
| 19:03 |
NakedFury |
diagonal rails one |
| 19:04 |
thexyz |
s/thinks/things |
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thexyz |
john_minetest: what stuff? |
| 19:13 |
Peacock |
well i'd guess colored lights among others, though im curious to see how you'll finally decide to store the rgb values |
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| 19:16 |
thexyz |
indeed |
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| 19:16 |
thexyz |
though I have a little idea on what you're talking about since I haven't seen the source |
| 19:20 |
thexyz |
what shaders? |
| 19:21 |
ruskie |
because sometime that doesn't work well |
| 19:21 |
Peacock |
i doubt its that simple |
| 19:22 |
ruskie |
nothing wrong with that |
| 19:22 |
Peacock |
what's wrong with forks? isn't that part of the point of open source? |
| 19:22 |
ruskie |
competition, different things to try out, etc... |
| 19:22 |
ruskie |
it is forked thousands of times |
| 19:22 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: what forks are there? |
| 19:23 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: also IIRC RBA's shaders are still in dev |
| 19:23 |
Peacock |
well, look at it another, with minetest alone mod development is starting to die down, or has been for awhile, different engines might bring new features into the fold |
| 19:23 |
Peacock |
*another way |
| 19:23 |
ruskie |
each bloody embedded manufacturer has a atleast a dozen forks of it |
| 19:23 |
Peacock |
ruskie seriously, to say nothing of the # of linux distros lol |
| 19:23 |
ruskie |
that's a different pot |
| 19:24 |
ruskie |
john_minetest, sure it should it's the nature of development |
| 19:24 |
ruskie |
you can try out stuff in forks and good stiuff can trickel back into main while the rest dies off |
| 19:24 |
Peacock |
well i see another way, mt up until 0.3 or 0.4 was mostly done by two guys, now we got over half a dozen devs who can't always agree, i dont see forks as bad in that case |
| 19:25 |
ruskie |
hell linux dev is basically fork of a fork of a fork |
| 19:25 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: if you think I haven't tried talking about the need of communication you're a bit wrong |
| 19:25 |
ruskie |
each dev has their own fork until their patches hit linus |
| 19:25 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: and classic is completely different since it's 0.3-fork |
| 19:26 |
* VanessaE |
peeks in |
| 19:26 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 19:26 |
Peacock |
(and technically classic is game not engine) |
| 19:26 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: maybe |
| 19:26 |
thexyz |
we'll see |
| 19:26 |
troller |
john_minetest, proller's stuff moved to freeminer |
| 19:26 |
* FreeFull |
remembers playing 0.3 on c55's server, with rats and DMs |
| 19:27 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: not fast enough means one or two years or so |
| 19:27 |
thexyz |
this is unacceptable |
| 19:27 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, do you know what made Dan ragequit? |
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thexyz |
john_minetest: yes, sorry, but just talking here is pointless; check minetest-dev logs |
| 19:28 |
Vazon |
hello Everyone |
| 19:28 |
thexyz |
there's a reason i've decided to support this instead of continuing fighting with other devs |
| 19:28 |
thexyz |
if you think that's just for shits and giggles then you're wrong |
| 19:29 |
thexyz |
no, I don't really want to continue this, sorry |
| 19:29 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: he's an impatient 14-year-old kid (or 16?) who can't deal with the idea that he should fix his code, or roll back when something breaks. |
| 19:29 |
Vazon |
anyone now how to get it where on a server you can get it where your players can see the texture pack you are useing? |
| 19:29 |
VanessaE |
he ragequit because he got banned from the forum |
| 19:30 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: okay, that's good because we won't |
| 19:30 |
PilzAdam |
I thought he was banned because he raqequited the forums (i.e. blanking posts) |
| 19:30 |
Vazon |
who are we talking about Dan? |
| 19:30 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: he deleted the one post for the one broken mod, in defiance of the rules and after being warned twice. that delete is what got him banned, and what prompted him to delete his mods and ragequit entirely. |
| 19:31 |
rubenwardy |
Minetest has 273 forks |
| 19:31 |
VanessaE |
VanessaE: pilzadam and I are yeah |
| 19:31 |
NakedFury |
how could he delete his posts after being banned? |
| 19:31 |
Vazon |
lol im invisable |
| 19:32 |
VanessaE |
NakedFury: he deleted his mods at their source - e.g. dropbox, github repos |
| 19:32 |
rubenwardy |
They are still forks |
| 19:32 |
NakedFury |
ohh |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
obviously he couldn't delete the posts....and his attempt failed, thanks to sfan5, topywo, and myself :) |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
afaik all of his mods are preserved. |
| 19:33 |
NakedFury |
nice |
| 19:34 |
Vazon |
So Dan ragequit becuase he was asked to fix a problem in his coding??? |
| 19:34 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 19:34 |
VanessaE |
I told him fix it or just roll back what broke it |
| 19:34 |
VanessaE |
instead he opted to get childish and delete it |
| 19:34 |
Vazon |
well that not very smart there is alway room for improvement |
| 19:36 |
Vazon |
i love improving my things broken or not... he should have just fixed it and everyone would have been fine and dandy |
| 19:36 |
Vazon |
everything* |
| 19:36 |
PilzAdam |
so just for the record: VanessaE made Dan ragequit :-p |
| 19:36 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: nope. |
| 19:37 |
VanessaE |
dan made his own choices, and ultimately sfan5 made him quit. |
| 19:37 |
Vazon |
hmm now they target each other lol let me get a bag of popcorn and sit back watch how this plays out |
| 19:37 |
PilzAdam |
who do you want to bully out next? me? :-p |
| 19:38 |
VanessaE |
not funny, PilzAdam |
| 19:38 |
PilzAdam |
I tried... |
| 19:38 |
Vazon |
...it looks like hes laughing VanessaE XD |
| 19:39 |
rubenwardy |
VanessaE: stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop |
| 19:39 |
rubenwardy |
http://stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop |
| 19:40 |
Vazon |
lol ruben |
| 19:40 |
PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, you are doing it wrong |
| 19:40 |
PilzAdam |
rubenwardy, I feel offended by your recent action(s). Please read http://stop-irc-bullying.eu/stop |
| 19:40 |
Vazon |
XD poor VanessaE |
| 19:40 |
VanessaE |
blah |
| 19:42 |
rubenwardy |
PotatOS! |
| 19:43 |
Vazon |
...well isnt that random |
| 19:43 |
rubenwardy |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXUktRbAO34 |
| 19:43 |
rubenwardy |
Weird video |
| 19:44 |
Peacock |
well, on the modding front, i think you should just all make it clear that people dont actually own their own mods once they're posted, that would save alot of headaches |
| 19:44 |
BlockMen |
bye |
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| 19:45 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, if they dont read the licences they publish it under then its their problem... |
| 19:45 |
thexyz |
» You should avoid removing content posted by yourself if people rely on it (releases, etc.). |
| 19:45 |
Peacock |
(though thats also the reason i proposed free and nonfree mod boards instead of release and general, which seems more vague to me) |
| 19:46 |
Peacock |
pilzadam, yeah they dont read the license, but they're also told to chose one from a pre-selected list when in reality theres no obligation to chose one, that could use more clarification |
| 19:47 |
PilzAdam |
they are not told to choose a free license |
| 19:47 |
rubenwardy |
I would not post mods on the forum if I would not own them. |
| 19:48 |
Vazon |
hmm still need hel pwit hmy texture problem |
| 19:48 |
PilzAdam |
Vazon, you need more help with your typing |
| 19:49 |
Vazon |
sorry i type fast.... i will slow down a bit :P |
| 19:54 |
Peacock |
pa i have to disagree, ive seen on more than one occasion modders told they have to chose a license |
| 19:55 |
PilzAdam |
only if they use code licensed under SA |
| 19:55 |
Peacock |
hell even that annoying forum bot tells people they need to specify a license |
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thexyz |
john_minetest: have you understood it yet? |
| 19:56 |
Sokomine |
at least if it's supposed to get into the mod releases forum. perhaps that's a precaution against later removal of the mod |
| 19:57 |
NakedFury |
actually to post on release mods they have to post license otheriwse mods will not move them\ |
| 19:57 |
Peacock |
though i loathe to get into it again, if mods are game content, creative content, then even RMS agrees creative works are different than pure software |
| 19:57 |
PilzAdam |
yes, since we dont want to support non-free software |
| 19:57 |
* Sokomine |
finds the bot a bit annoying as well :) (hopefully it can be used to feed the mmdb) |
| 19:57 |
Peacock |
well thats quite different than telling people they *have* to chose a license |
| 19:58 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: it's simple: pick a license without any "no-derivs" clause or gtfo |
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| 19:59 |
Peacock |
well that's not what you tell new modders |
| 19:59 |
Peacock |
so dont be surprised when they ragequit |
| 19:59 |
Sokomine |
completely without a liscence, it might be problematic using the mod on a server. for singleplayer, that's hardly going to matter |
| 19:59 |
VanessaE |
um |
| 19:59 |
VanessaE |
dan ragequit because he was childish |
| 19:59 |
PilzAdam |
"Any mod that disallows derivatives cannot be published on this forum." – https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=1271 << Peacock |
| 19:59 |
PilzAdam |
we do tell it newbies |
| 20:00 |
Peacock |
thats rich coming from c55, when i complained about my own mods being derived in such a short period, he's the one who told me to pick a new license lol |
| 20:01 |
VanessaE |
"this forum" means "this forum section" |
| 20:01 |
VanessaE |
i.e. Mod Release |
| 20:01 |
Sokomine |
oh, no, dan didn't quit due to liscence problems. he's young. young people sometimes behave childish (especially if they're actually children/youths) |
| 20:01 |
JackGruff |
I find it disappointing that the stock textures are clones of MC. |
| 20:01 |
Peacock |
soko he got banned for pulling his own shit, which IMO, he had every right to do |
| 20:01 |
VanessaE |
JackGruff: they are not. |
| 20:02 |
Sokomine |
hmm, you missed what happened in chat, peacock |
| 20:02 |
JackGruff |
VanessaE, they are. |
| 20:02 |
VanessaE |
JackGruff: no, they are not. |
| 20:02 |
Peacock |
i missed that particular chat yes, but i've seen it a dozen times with different peopel by now |
| 20:02 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, he has, but we have the right to ban him and republish his mods |
| 20:02 |
JackGruff |
the game looks almost identical from the surface |
| 20:02 |
VanessaE |
cisoun: care to comment on that? |
| 20:03 |
JackGruff |
im not saying MC's textures were copied directly, just that the style is the same |
| 20:03 |
Peacock |
pa yeah, and you see whats that done to modding in the last two years, it's a shell of what it was when i joined |
| 20:03 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: what he does not have the right to do IS BLANK POSTS IN VIOLATION OF A WARNING FROM A MODERATOR |
| 20:03 |
JackGruff |
especially soil/grass |
| 20:03 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, I wasnt here 2 yeaers ago |
| 20:03 |
Peacock |
i was |
| 20:04 |
Peacock |
and there were fewer rules, more creativity and more mods |
| 20:04 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE.setMode(fullCapsRage); |
| 20:04 |
VanessaE |
JackGruff: maybe the minimal textures are, but not the minetest_game ones.... besides, there's not much you can do in 16px :P |
| 20:04 |
Sokomine |
form the surface...perhaps. but even if you where to use a texturepack with mc textures, it'd still look and feel slightly diffrent. play some time and see for yourshelf |
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PilzAdam |
Peacock, "fewer rules"? |
| 20:04 |
Peacock |
compared to now? definately |
| 20:05 |
Peacock |
i dont even post in the current environment, just not worth it for me |
| 20:05 |
PilzAdam |
what rules were added? |
| 20:05 |
VanessaE |
there are fr more mods now than when you joined, peacock, and a lot of creativity |
| 20:05 |
Peacock |
more derivs maybe, but less creativity, and im not the first to point out that alot of talented modders have called it quits |
| 20:06 |
VanessaE |
the only rules that were added regarded getting your mods published in the Mod Releases section, and a line in the Rules page about graphcial smileys and animated avatars. |
| 20:06 |
VanessaE |
graphical* |
| 20:06 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: I did? |
| 20:07 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: your (rightfully instituted) ban is what sent him off the deep end |
| 20:08 |
sfan5 |
ah |
| 20:08 |
VanessaE |
but it's also what saved all that forum content |
| 20:08 |
VanessaE |
topywo and I caught all his mods and kept them from disappearing |
| 20:09 |
Peacock |
well the way i see it, a few lazy people are determined to hold onto the fruits of other people's labour while simultaneously driving them insane, and they know they can get away with it because of the licenses they tell people they have to use |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: no one says you have to use a specific license! |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
you have to use ANY license that has no "no-derivs" clauses |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
that's it |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
make up your own license if you want |
| 20:10 |
Peacock |
you dont have to issue any license if you want |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
as long as you don't try to prevent others from forking |
| 20:10 |
Peacock |
no license is a plain copyright |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
wrong. |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
no license is no license |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
copyright is copyright |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
the two are orthogonal |
| 20:11 |
Peacock |
you see what i don't get is this: c55 chose of his own free will to opensource minetest, but you would deny this choice to everyone writing mods, why? |
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PilzAdam |
no license means nobody is allowed to run the mod |
| 20:11 |
Sokomine |
urgs. it might get really nasty there. don't know what "no liscence specified" will really mean. most likely: money for lawyers who love debating about such things... |
| 20:11 |
JackGruff |
what is about minetest that attracts so much bitching? |
| 20:11 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, Minetest is not only open source, its free software |
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VanessaE |
Peacock: no one is denying you the right to close-source your mods you twit |
| 20:12 |
VanessaE |
just don't expect them to get moved to Mod Releases. |
| 20:12 |
Peacock |
quite simply the problem here is mods are treated as code uniquely and not creative content, and creative people would beg to differ |
| 20:12 |
VanessaE |
publish them in Modding General |
| 20:13 |
Calinou |
woah VanessaE, no need to call each other twits. |
| 20:13 |
Sokomine |
close-source won't work with mt :-) |
| 20:13 |
Calinou |
Sokomine, obfuscated code |
| 20:13 |
thexyz |
luac |
| 20:13 |
Calinou |
if you do that, and forbid it from redistribution and such it's effectively proprietary |
| 20:13 |
Peacock |
well if people are blanking their posts or removing the source files, i have to wonder if they really knew what their choices were, and who informed them |
| 20:13 |
thexyz |
or just forbid them from redistribution |
| 20:13 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, the thing is that we are a free software community, and we dont like non-free software; thats why we dont support it |
| 20:13 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: it's not up to us to teach other people how to read. |
| 20:14 |
Peacock |
well in that case you're mixing politics with coding, and i'm only interested in coding |
| 20:14 |
PilzAdam |
and if people choose to make their work free, then they have to live with the consquences |
| 20:15 |
Sokomine |
seems peacock wants to say that some people did not understand the implications |
| 20:15 |
PilzAdam |
Peacock, if you are only interested in coding, then why do you even publish your mods? |
| 20:15 |
thexyz |
what a nice talk |
| 20:15 |
Peacock |
have i published anything recently? |
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| 20:16 |
Peacock |
tho i'd point out im not the one who quit here recently, dan is, but the story is always the same |
| 20:16 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: dan quit because he couldn |
| 20:16 |
Peacock |
because he's childish i know, the same reason is given every time |
| 20:17 |
VanessaE |
couldn't be bothered to fix his code or roll back the last bug he caused/added |
| 20:17 |
Peacock |
well what business is that of yours? |
| 20:17 |
VanessaE |
*looks at fingernails, ponders trimming* |
| 20:17 |
Peacock |
it's his mods, he can fix or not fix if he wants |
| 20:17 |
Sokomine |
and it may be a very emotional problem...if you where to ask a new modder who just started and is happy to get his first mod released, you'd probably get wtfpl as a liscence. later, they get to know other people, get involved - and some of them get disappointed/hurt/bored - and then blank their posts and change their mind at that moment. some weeks later, they may no longer care |
| 20:17 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: because I run a server that HE DEMANDED UPDATES ON. |
| 20:17 |
VanessaE |
I run the primary server he used for developing the Realtest game. |
| 20:18 |
Peacock |
well, just as much as it's his choice to update his mods, it's your choice to update your server, i don't see the conflict |
| 20:18 |
VanessaE |
he broke his currency mod by not properly vetting some change Nore gave him, and then didn't want to back that change out propery. |
| 20:18 |
VanessaE |
properly* |
| 20:18 |
Peacock |
so couldn't you rollback from an older version? |
| 20:18 |
Sokomine |
vanessa runs a world for dan, so it's her business (actually 2 worlds) |
| 20:18 |
VanessaE |
I could have, and did. |
| 20:18 |
VanessaE |
he couldn't be bothered to do the same. |
| 20:18 |
Peacock |
so in the meantime you're short 1 modder? |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
what? |
| 20:19 |
Peacock |
MT lost one modder because he wouldn't update one of several mods he's written? |
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rubenwardy |
MT lost one modder because he threw a paddy-fit |
| 20:21 |
thexyz |
I'd say that's because forum software doesn't allow reverting forum contents |
| 20:21 |
thexyz |
*post contents |
| 20:21 |
VanessaE |
MT lost a modder because he, for the fourth or fifth time, refused to roll back to the previous version and then bitched, himself, that he couldn't fix it, and then decided oh I'll just write a whole new one and delete this one....without bothering to consider that servers already use it |
| 20:21 |
thexyz |
I'm still not sure about what happened though |
| 20:22 |
Peacock |
yeah but it's not up to any moderator to tell someone how to mod |
| 20:22 |
thexyz |
it seems to me that there was some local discussion in some private irc channel and then the guy went full nuts |
| 20:22 |
rubenwardy |
She did not |
| 20:22 |
Peacock |
MT lost a modder because he, for the fourth or fifth time, refused to roll back |
| 20:22 |
thexyz |
she did tell him not how a moderator but how a community member |
| 20:22 |
Peacock |
sounds like she's telling him what to do |
| 20:23 |
thexyz |
if he can't chat with people then I'm worried about him |
| 20:23 |
rubenwardy |
She said that she wont update the mods on her server, because of the bug |
| 20:23 |
Peacock |
i dont know, i believe in free association, if the guy won't take your suggestion, just don't use his mods |
| 20:23 |
Peacock |
but to ban him over it |
| 20:23 |
Peacock |
seems like bad PR to me |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: um. |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: he bitched about it ON MY SERVER. |
| 20:24 |
Peacock |
so ban him ON YOUR SERVER |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
and therefor on the server chat channel |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
which covers like 9 servers |
| 20:24 |
Peacock |
so that translates to forum ban? |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
oh christ |
| 20:24 |
VanessaE |
can't you read!? |
| 20:25 |
Jordach |
Peacock, you're overthinking and pissed |
| 20:25 |
* VanessaE |
is getting irritated |
| 20:25 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: you should write a short summary and pastebin it |
| 20:25 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: I pastebinned the log recently, not sure of the link now though |
| 20:25 |
thexyz |
and then go away for an hour and the problem will solve itself |
| 20:25 |
thexyz |
log is often not enough |
| 20:25 |
thexyz |
but w/e |
| 20:25 |
Peacock |
whatever, you want to ban him that's fine, just don't wonder publicly why things seem to be quiet |
| 20:26 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: he came into our channel, bitched that Nore broke his mod, even though Dan's the one who added the code and released the result to his git repo without testing, then when we told him to just roll back to undo the change, he bitched that he couldn't, and then proceeded on his little tantrum. |
| 20:27 |
EvergreenTree |
Exactly, if you don't know how to roll back, FIGURE IT OUT |
| 20:27 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: he got banned from the forum for violating the rules in defiance of an order not to. |
| 20:27 |
VanessaE |
If someone announces they're about to violate the rules, and you warn them not to, and they do it anyway, what exactly do you expect to happen? |
| 20:27 |
VanessaE |
let that person just continue merrily on their way? |
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| 20:29 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: we all know it's a standing rule that deleting/blanking an important post is a bannable offense, but why isn't it written down in the Rules section anyway? |
| 20:29 |
VanessaE |
(see my post in the moderator section) |
| 20:29 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: You should avoid removing content posted by yourself if people rely on it (releases, etc.). |
| 20:30 |
VanessaE |
that's not good enough |
| 20:30 |
VanessaE |
it needs to spell out what can happen, why, etc. |
| 20:30 |
VanessaE |
"you should avoid" != "this will get you banned" |
| 20:30 |
Peacock |
no we need to force people to use forum attachments, because that will make them more free |
| 20:30 |
thexyz |
and acknowledge that the moderators can ban you for not doing so, or for any other reason. |
| 20:30 |
zat1 |
I tried to make stollen: http://uppix.com/f-estolen52975d7e0014b0c2.jpg |
| 20:30 |
NakedFury |
add a warning pop up when a player uses the Delete post button. Warning deleting posts is agaisnt the rules of the forums blablablah. Do you want to conitnue? Yes or No. |
| 20:31 |
VanessaE |
thexyz: still not good enough. |
| 20:31 |
Sokomine |
perhaps about that blanking of posts...hm. how about doing a temporal ban? in some cases it might help to give agitated people a night or a few days to think of what they're doing and to help them not to do something they'll regret most likely afterwards |
| 20:31 |
thexyz |
VanessaE: "Removing content posted by yourself (releases, etc.) will get you banned." |
| 20:31 |
thexyz |
just changed it |
| 20:32 |
VanessaE |
that'll work |
| 20:32 |
Peacock |
why dont you just make it clear that stuff in releases belongs to the community and not the author? that would make things 100* clearer |
| 20:32 |
Sokomine |
peacock: forum attachments are practical for getting a mod :-) just 1 instead of 2 clicks |
| 20:32 |
Peacock |
sokomine practicality isn't the issue, ownership is |
| 20:33 |
* Sokomine |
munches some of zat1's bakery |
| 20:33 |
thexyz |
define "belongs" |
| 20:33 |
NakedFury |
just do the same thing as minecraft mods and everyone is happy |
| 20:33 |
Peacock |
by belong to the community, i mean even if they pull it someone else will put it back up, at least then they would know |
| 20:33 |
VanessaE |
Peacock: no one said the community owns the code! THE LICENSE SAYS WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO REDISTRIBUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:33 |
VanessaE |
G*D DAMN IT MAN |
| 20:34 |
Peacock |
so if per the license you can repost the mod, why do you bother banning them? |
| 20:34 |
Peacock |
it doesn't make sense to me lol |
| 20:34 |
VanessaE |
because if we don't, they delete their posts also |
| 20:34 |
thexyz |
since I'll be busy with the other project (ehehe) please only reach to me when you've agreed on something so I won't have to use my brain and will just do what you tell me (regarding the forums, moddb and other services I currently host) |
| 20:34 |
VanessaE |
which makes the mod hard to understand |
| 20:35 |
thexyz |
it's fun to read the log though |
| 20:35 |
Jordach |
thexyz, then who will admin the forum then |
| 20:35 |
Peacock |
well you could solve that by posting new threads instead of editing threads the guy can blank |
| 20:35 |
sfan5 |
it seems like every dlink router has a backdoor |
| 20:35 |
Jordach |
o noes |
| 20:35 |
thexyz |
john_minetest: there are moderators, I don't understand what do you mean by "admin" |
| 20:36 |
thexyz |
fug |
| 20:36 |
thexyz |
Jordach: ^ |
| 20:36 |
Jordach |
plol |
| 20:36 |
thexyz |
also quassel sucks |
| 20:36 |
Jordach |
oh gtfo terminal n00b |
| 20:36 |
thexyz |
what? |
| 20:36 |
thexyz |
anyway, please answer the question |
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Jordach |
thexyz, ah |
| 20:36 |
zat1 |
Sokomine: it was kinda fail in case you didnt notice. lol |
| 20:36 |
Jordach |
then no |
| 20:37 |
thexyz |
"no" to what? |
| 20:37 |
Sokomine |
peacock: that sounds like a good idea, if it's technically possible |
| 20:37 |
Peacock |
sokomine, ultimately i think positions and rights could just be clearer than what they are |
| 20:38 |
Peacock |
and quassel still sounds like a french pastry |
| 20:38 |
Sokomine |
sfan5: seems to happen pretty frequently, that backdoor matter :-( |
| 20:38 |
Sokomine |
zat1: i "ate" it before looking at the picture :-) |
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zat1 |
lawl |
| 20:42 |
Sokomine |
peacock: in this particular case it wouldn't have helped. it might have helped if someone would have jumped and done the more complex parts of coding for dan instantly. and, of course, since there is always communication involved, perhaps there would have been ways to solve the conflict otherwise. but we're all humans only and can't read each other's mind, so it's not possible to avoid all conflicts and misunderstandings |
| 20:44 |
Peacock |
sokomine it just seems to me the same problems keep coming up with different people, there must be a better way, the only choices there are better communication, or more punitive measures |
| 20:45 |
Peacock |
unless others have ideas.. |
| 20:45 |
VanessaE |
communication doesn't work if one party throws a tantrum and then just leaves |
| 20:45 |
VanessaE |
Dan's was a rather unique case |
| 20:45 |
sfan5 |
who would name himself "Otaku_swag94" on reddit? |
| 20:46 |
VanessaE |
nothing short of a parental thrashing would have been sufficient |
| 20:46 |
sfan5 |
that is just.... ... .. you can't describe how stupid that is |
| 20:46 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: what's it mean? |
| 20:46 |
sfan5 |
it? |
| 20:47 |
Sokomine |
looks like a random combination of letters and numbmers, sfan5 |
| 20:47 |
sfan5 |
nobody knows what otaku means? |
| 20:47 |
Sokomine |
i don't |
| 20:47 |
sfan5 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otaku |
| 20:49 |
Sokomine |
vanessa: i'm sure there would have been one way somehow, but i don't know how either |
| 20:50 |
VanessaE |
Sokomine: you were there, you know we tried every way there was |
| 20:50 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: oookay |
| 20:51 |
thexyz |
Peacock: I think we've decided to allow non-free mods on freeminer forums, so you can post your mods there (if interested) |
| 20:51 |
VanessaE |
so, the japanese version of OCD? :) |
| 20:51 |
thexyz |
sfan5: nobody knows how otaku smells |
| 20:52 |
Sokomine |
vanessa: we tried, yes. perhaps some other approach might have worked. i really don't know. that's probably more for psychologists to figure out |
| 20:52 |
NakedFury |
otaku are the obssessed of anime culture |
| 20:53 |
thexyz |
this term is most oftenly used in a negative sense |
| 20:53 |
thexyz |
sfan5: my reddit name is pomfpomfpomf3 |
| 20:53 |
thexyz |
do you know why? |
| 20:53 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 20:54 |
thexyz |
I can show you but you'll regret it |
| 20:54 |
thexyz |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkWWx0YSyM0 |
| 20:54 |
sfan5 |
!title |
| 20:54 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: POMFPOMFPOMF =3 - YouTube |
| 20:54 |
thexyz |
it's a bit NSFW i think |
| 20:55 |
sfan5 |
lo |
| 20:55 |
sfan5 |
l |
| 20:56 |
sfan5 |
I think this was enough for today |
| 20:56 |
thexyz |
there's a 10 hours version |
| 20:57 |
thexyz |
and now you'll have to watch the original clip |
| 20:57 |
thexyz |
just for the video |
| 20:57 |
thexyz |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzC4hFK5P3g |
| 20:58 |
Peacock |
sorry im not ignoring anyone, i just got the ceiling people in here atm |
| 20:58 |
sfan5 |
!title |
| 20:58 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: ãゃりーã±ã¿ã‚…ã±ã¿ã‚… - PONPONPON , Kyary Pamyu Pamyu - PONPONPON - YouTube |
| 20:58 |
sfan5 |
oh |
| 20:58 |
sfan5 |
the GEMA again |
| 20:58 |
thexyz |
lol |
| 20:58 |
sfan5 |
they didn't like it so they brought it down |
| 20:59 |
thexyz |
they didn't understand it |
| 20:59 |
sfan5 |
haha |
| 20:59 |
thexyz |
no worries i'll youtube-dl it for you |
| 20:59 |
sfan5 |
seriously, germany is a nice country but the GEMA is just... shit |
| 20:59 |
NakedFury |
you know if nekogloop something was here he would be posting links to japanese anime songs of a ridiculous dancing female |
| 20:59 |
NakedFury |
all day |
| 20:59 |
sfan5 |
>ridiculous dancing female |
| 20:59 |
thexyz |
sfan5: http://a.pomf.se/t84db.mp4 |
| 20:59 |
sfan5 |
lol |
| 21:00 |
sfan5 |
wait |
| 21:00 |
sfan5 |
>pomf.se |
| 21:00 |
sfan5 |
is that a pun? |
| 21:00 |
thexyz |
you're starting to understand |
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| 21:00 |
thexyz |
how this world works |
| 21:01 |
* sfan5 |
is confused |
| 21:01 |
sfan5 |
is this all people in japan do all day? /s |
| 21:02 |
thexyz |
japan is more popular outside of japan |
| 21:03 |
NakedFury |
okay neko would be posting this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uOmQmM1mg4 |
| 21:04 |
thexyz |
or the english-translated version of some song |
| 21:05 |
thexyz |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wW54G8YJ8M <3 |
| 21:06 |
NakedFury |
I hate myself for clicking it |
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MinetestBot |
GIT: Sapier at GMX dot net commited to minetest/minetest: Split server/client port setting to avoid port number clashes in mainmenu b08d7558de 2013-11-28T12:43:06-08:00 http://git.io/6BXraw |
| 21:07 |
thexyz |
why? |
| 21:07 |
VanessaE |
you know you guys are just begging nekogloop to show up with all these japanese/anime links :) |
| 21:07 |
NakedFury |
yup |
| 21:08 |
thexyz |
you don't like that kind of music? :( |
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| 21:09 |
NakedFury |
no |
| 21:09 |
thexyz |
why? |
| 21:10 |
NakedFury |
they always include spoilers of the series I am watching |
| 21:10 |
thexyz |
NakedFury: where's your watching list? |
| 21:11 |
exoplanet |
is the debian maintainer here? |
| 21:11 |
thexyz |
exoplanet: check the #-dev channel |
| 21:12 |
NakedFury |
watching list? |
| 21:12 |
thexyz |
exoplanet: emptty |
| 21:12 |
thexyz |
is his/her nickname |
| 21:12 |
exoplanet |
thanks thexyz |
| 21:12 |
thexyz |
exoplanet: *his |
| 21:13 |
thexyz |
NakedFury: yes, do you have one? |
| 21:15 |
NakedFury |
animefreak.tv |
| 21:15 |
NakedFury |
doesnt have a watching list feature but I only watch 3 for now. Log Horizon, Gundam Build fighters, Yowamushi Pedal |
| 21:16 |
thexyz |
> streaming |
| 21:16 |
thexyz |
well, I'm sorry |
| 21:16 |
thexyz |
there are websites which provide watching lists, like myanimelist.net or anidb.net or hummingbird.me |
| 21:17 |
thexyz |
also suggestions and shit like this, can be quite helpful |
| 21:23 |
Peacock |
if my wife were here, she'd suggest animes lol |
| 21:23 |
Peacock |
im usually asleep when she's watching em |
| 21:23 |
Sokomine |
your wife is a good builder |
| 21:25 |
Peacock |
she puts as much time building shit as i put coding shit, i guess we just tend to to do both at hte same time lol |
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dumdidum |
hello, is there a mod that makes papyrus grow? |
| 21:34 |
PilzAdam |
dumdidum, that functionality is in default |
| 21:35 |
dumdidum |
PilzAdam: so i just have to place papyrus on dirt near water? |
| 21:35 |
PilzAdam |
yes |
| 21:35 |
dumdidum |
great, thanks :) |
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Peacock |
jesus sweet mary, the ceiling guy just left, and i he told me everything about his childhood and recent sex life :( |
| 21:55 |
Peacock |
*he |
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Sokomine |
peacock: you're a good builder as well :-) hope you'll make your waterworld world accessible again... |
| 22:16 |
Calinou |
the ceiling guy probably is a better builder than him! |
| 22:16 |
Calinou |
who knows! |
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PilzAdam |
bye |
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pokes RealBadAngel |
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dumdidum |
is it possible to grow flowers and bushes? |
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RealBadAngel |
VanessaE, ill be there a bit later |
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VanessaE |
k |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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RealBadAngel |
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