IRC log for #minetest-project, 2017-04-23

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00:30	OldCoder	Dolf of Grand, give him a hand
00:30	OldCoder	Grandolf, welcome
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01:50	Grandolf	hi OC
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02:04	OldCoder	electrodude512, moin
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04:17	OldCoder	Moment
04:17	OldCoder	tiwake, welcome
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11:23	* Megaf	runs
11:23	* Shara	lassos Megaf
11:23	Shara	Silly Tiger
11:24	Megaf	:O
11:24	Megaf	='(
11:25	* Megaf	dies
11:26	Shara	Death by being called silly?
11:27	* Shara	will be careful with that word from now on.
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11:34	Megaf	12:23:42]* Shara lassos Megaf
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19:02	ircSparky	what would your recommendation for simple spawned buildings/villages be?
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19:42	OldCoder	ircSparky, Hi. Context?
19:42	OldCoder	Sokomine has her mod(s)
19:43	OldCoder	LOTT provides examples you will be familiar with
19:43	OldCoder	Those could easily be extended
19:43	OldCoder	The latter would be better; it would provide an alternative approach
19:47	Sokomine	hi oldcoder. er. what's the topic? :_)
19:47	* Sokomine	looks puzzled
19:47	OldCoder	Sokomine, this:
19:47	OldCoder	<ircSparky> what would your recommendation for simple spawned buildings/villages be?
19:47	Amaz	OldCoder: LOTT's generation is NOT suitable in any way for villages. It would require a total rewrite to work, and you'd be better off starting from scratch.
19:47	OldCoder	We have them in LOTT
19:48	OldCoder	Define village
19:48	Sokomine	ah. i see :-) was hidden behind all those automatic messages. yes, my mg_villages mod provides villages generated at mapgen time
19:48	OldCoder	He said "buildings/villages"
19:48	Amaz	Even adding individual buildings is tied deeply into lottmapgen itself
19:48	OldCoder	That is all fine... code evolves
19:48	Amaz	Village = cluster of houses
19:48	OldCoder	Let a simple building API result
19:48	ircSparky	i just want randomly generated ruins
19:48	OldCoder	But he said "buildings" ... perhaps he needs just a few types. This said...
19:48	OldCoder	Right, perhaps suitable for that
19:48	OldCoder	But speak of Sokomine villages
19:49	OldCoder	What is the status of that?
19:49	ircSparky	its called mg_villages ?
19:49	Sokomine	i'm currently working on a citybuilder mod that will allow players to place blueprints for the houses manually and to even upgrade them
19:49	OldCoder	Right, asking Amaz and Sokomine for status
19:49	OldCoder	Is there a 3rd choice or is that about it?
19:50	Sokomine	ircSparky: there's a ruins mod that provides some very simple ruins. the pyramids mod might also fit in
19:50	ircSparky	oh
19:50	Amaz	Ruins mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7200
19:50	OldCoder	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7200
19:50	OldCoder	Ninja
19:50	OldCoder	Rewrite it...
19:50	OldCoder	Should be easy
19:50	OldCoder	Start with this and tidy up
19:51	Sokomine	yes, the mod itshelf is called mg_villages. you will need handle_schematics as well. cottages is highly recommended as you'll get more and more intresting village types if you've got it installed. i've also created a villages modpack. the individual mods therein need update...
19:52	Sokomine	there's even a village type village_ruins consisting of some buildings someone created as ruins
19:52	OldCoder	Sokomine, that is all helpful. For his purposes, ruins looks best, but mg_villages plus cottages seems useful.
19:52	OldCoder	ircSparky, sufficient choices?
19:52	ircSparky	yea
19:52	ircSparky	ruins seems to be a single building
19:52	ircSparky	it might look better to have a villiage of ruins
19:52	OldCoder	But of different materials?
19:52	Sokomine	yes, ruins might be sufficient if all ircsparky is after are ruins :-)
19:52	ircSparky	ill test them out
19:53	OldCoder	Remember, ruins is simple enough that you can rewrite it
19:53	OldCoder	And extend it
19:53	OldCoder	That is how I started with mapgens
19:53	Sokomine	then give village_ruins a try (depends on mg_villages). you can also build your own houses and villages
19:53	OldCoder	If you need more complex, go with Sokomine Stuff
19:54	Sokomine	spawning a small(!) schematic (small regarding x and z dimensions) might even work with decorations registered with mapgen. those might overlap...which might not be a problem for rather simple buildings
19:56	OldCoder	Bathroom in Kitchen just like in San Franciso ($10000 rent)
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22:32	OldCoder	NathanS21, Hello
22:32	OldCoder
22:32	OldCoder	To see Nathan-S
22:32	OldCoder	is to confess
22:32	OldCoder	the world is a better place
22:32	OldCoder	so is the human race
22:32	OldCoder	Nathan-S welcome
22:32	OldCoder
22:35	NathanS21	hi
22:36	OldCoder	o/
22:36	OldCoder	lo
22:36	OldCoder	away we go
22:36	OldCoder	hi
22:36	OldCoder	lo
22:36	OldCoder	on with the sho
22:36	OldCoder
22:47	OldCoder	Grandolf, present?
22:47	OldCoder	Under one of these nicks?
22:48	OldCoder	Type my nick when here
22:48	Guest26472	grand is afk
22:48	OldCoder	Guest26472, But I just talked to him?
22:48	OldCoder	OK
22:48	Guest26472	yea
22:48	OldCoder	Tell him to state the nick here when he returns
22:48	Guest26472	he had top go for a sec
22:48	OldCoder	And we
22:48	OldCoder	will finish the mod
22:48	Guest26472	will b here shortly?
22:48	OldCoder	Guest26472, u r halt? And yes bb in 3 minutes
22:48	Guest26472	btw nick changing was b/c our hexchats got messed up a bit
22:48	Guest26472	yea
22:49	OldCoder	Happens
22:49	OldCoder	You share machines?
22:49	OldCoder	How do you IRC ?
22:49	Grandolf	hi
22:49	OldCoder	machine *
22:49	OldCoder	Grandolf, brb
22:49	Grandolf	he took over when i left
22:49	Grandolf	kk
22:49	OldCoder	OK will finish mod now
22:49	OldCoder	brb
22:53	OldCoder	Back
22:53	OldCoder	Grandolf, I deleted most of the entity code
22:53	OldCoder	and it still disappears
22:53	OldCoder	What would the block you mentioned be?
22:53	OldCoder	Come to Grandolfia and try it
22:54	OldCoder	We can discuss technical details here
22:55	Grandolf	o0k
22:55	OldCoder	Teleport tome
22:55	OldCoder	to me *
22:57	OldCoder	OK, so they are working
22:57	OldCoder	Grandolf, back?
22:57	Grandolf	yep
22:57	OldCoder	Moment
22:57	OldCoder	Look at npcf.lua
22:57	OldCoder	The part around line 250 which reads
22:57	OldCoder	if type(def.on_rightclick) == "function" then
22:57	OldCoder	Indicate when you find it
22:58	Grandolf	yea
22:58	OldCoder	You have two calls to def.on_rightclick
22:58	OldCoder	is this so?
22:58	Grandolf	def.on_rightclick(self, clicker,player_name)
22:58	Grandolf	minetest.chat_send_player(player_name, self.npc_name)
22:58	Grandolf	minetest.chat_send_player(player_name, "woof")
22:58	Grandolf	if type(def.on_rightclick) == "function" then
22:58	Grandolf	minetest.chat_send_player(player_name, "meow")
22:58	Grandolf	def.on_rightclick(self, clicker)
22:58	Grandolf	yes
22:59	OldCoder	Did not delete old code
22:59	OldCoder	So that 2nd call goes "crash"
22:59	OldCoder	Correct code looks like this:
22:59	OldCoder	Just 4 lines:
22:59	OldCoder
22:59	OldCoder	if type(def.on_rightclick) == "function" then
22:59	OldCoder	minetest.chat_send_player (player_name, self.npc_name)
22:59	OldCoder	def.on_rightclick (self, clicker, player_name)
22:59	OldCoder	end
22:59	OldCoder	Try that
23:00	OldCoder	Paste the whole source file to a 1-hour pastebin
23:00	OldCoder	Or update git; either
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23:00	OldCoder	And let me review it, Grandolf
23:00	OldCoder	Pastebin or update git
23:03	Grandolf	uploading to git
23:03	OldCoder	Indicate when there
23:03	OldCoder	Updated, it appears
23:04	OldCoder	Oops. Empty repo now?
23:04	Grandolf	https://github.com/Grandolf/filez.git
23:04	Grandolf	ready
23:04	OldCoder	I know, just did a pull
23:04	OldCoder	OM
23:04	OldCoder	Got it...
23:04	OldCoder	No, it's worse now :D
23:05	OldCoder	Hm
23:05	Grandolf	:/
23:05	OldCoder	Be pleased, it is proceeding, take heeding, this will work
23:05	OldCoder	Moment, please lurk
23:05	Grandolf	k
23:05	OldCoder	Review that code
23:05	OldCoder	Do you see that you sort of have two copies of things?
23:06	Grandolf	oh
23:06	OldCoder	Get rid of all of that
23:06	OldCoder	That entire block
23:06	Grandolf	what thinbgs?
23:06	Grandolf	the npcs u mean?
23:06	OldCoder	def.on_rightclick (self, clicker, player_name)
23:06	OldCoder	You got THREE
23:06	OldCoder	calls to that function now
23:06	OldCoder	when there are supposed to be one
23:06	OldCoder	Review and count them
23:06	OldCoder	minetest.chat_send_player (player_name, self.npc_name)
23:06	OldCoder	You also have about three of those
23:07	OldCoder	if type(def.on_rightclick) == "function" then
23:07	OldCoder	and two of those
23:07	OldCoder
23:07	OldCoder	Review and count
23:07	OldCoder	There should only be one of each
23:07	OldCoder	Patience is a virtue
23:07	OldCoder	It will not hurt you
23:07	OldCoder	Therefore :/ do eschew
23:07	OldCoder	This is advice from me to you
23:07	OldCoder
23:07	* OldCoder	is on a roll, you know, look out below
23:08	OldCoder
23:08	Grandolf	https://pastebin.com/fpu1KRiN
23:08	OldCoder	R
23:09	Grandolf	the -- should make it ignore the line i think
23:09	OldCoder	You commented out all of it?
23:09	OldCoder	Yes
23:10	OldCoder	So now it does nothing?
23:10	OldCoder	Here is what to try
23:10	OldCoder	before the part you commented out:
23:10	OldCoder	Hm I can't see if the end's line up
23:10	OldCoder	Hold on
23:11	OldCoder	Wait
23:13	OldCoder	wget http://minetest.org/npcf.txt
23:13	OldCoder	Grandolf, do that please
23:14	Grandolf	KK
23:14	OldCoder	Then edit that file (the .txt) and jump to the same code
23:14	OldCoder	Around line 250, search for if type(def.on_rightclick) == "function"
23:16	Grandolf	u want me to makte the .txt a .lua?
23:16	OldCoder	Not yet
23:16	OldCoder	First
23:16	OldCoder	Edit that file (the .txt) and jump to the same code
23:16	OldCoder	Around line 250, search for if type(def.on_rightclick) == "function"
23:16	OldCoder	I want you to be comfortable with the change and understand it
23:16	OldCoder	Indicate when there
23:17	Grandolf	found it
23:17	OldCoder	See the 4 lines involved?
23:18	OldCoder	You had multiple copies of these lines randomly pasted there
23:18	OldCoder	Code is very unforgiving about that
23:18	OldCoder	Look at your .lua copy if you like;
23:18	OldCoder	that same place
23:18	Grandolf	it was pretty messy
23:18	OldCoder	Take a minute, if you can to look at both versions at the same time
23:18	OldCoder	Right
23:18	OldCoder	If you can't say
23:18	OldCoder	Why a line of code is there
23:18	OldCoder	When you are working on the code
23:19	OldCoder	You have a problem
23:19	OldCoder	Follow?
23:19	Grandolf	yea
23:19	OldCoder	It is OK not to understand a codebase
23:19	OldCoder	but if you go...
23:19	OldCoder
23:19	OldCoder	<Farmer> I shall plant crops here
23:19	OldCoder	<Farmer> I see red sticks labeled TNT
23:19	OldCoder	<Farmer> I shall bang on them with the hoe
23:19	OldCoder	<Farmer> and drop matches on them
23:19	OldCoder
23:19	OldCoder	It is best to understand what you are changing
23:20	OldCoder	Do not take patches on faith for code that you expect to maintain
23:20	OldCoder	Only for code that you still consider to be "upstream" or belonging to somebody else
23:20	Grandolf	i downloaded the npcf
23:20	OldCoder	If you hack at code, it becomes yours, and you must understand what you are doing
23:20	Grandolf	added stuff to it
23:20	OldCoder	Right
23:20	OldCoder	It is yours now
23:20	OldCoder	But can learn it
23:20	OldCoder	A little at a time
23:21	OldCoder	Just study the parts you hack at
23:21	OldCoder
23:21	OldCoder	Does the preceding work for you?
23:21	Grandolf	yes
23:21	OldCoder	Rename the .txt to .lua
23:21	OldCoder	Deleting your version
23:21	OldCoder	then try running it
23:21	OldCoder	BTW git will let you go back and forth with changes
23:21	OldCoder	And have branches
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23:23	Grandolf	its working :D
23:23	OldCoder	betterthanyou710, did you see the answer?
23:23	OldCoder	Grandolf, he'd just asked about it
23:23	OldCoder	Grandolf, congrats
23:23	OldCoder	Satisfactory outcome for now?
23:23	Grandolf	yes, thank you OC
23:23	OldCoder	Thank you
23:24	betterthanyou710	thank you
23:24	OldCoder	Go hack at it
23:24	Grandolf	i shall
23:24	Grandolf	:D
23:24	OldCoder	betterthanyou710, hang on, adding +V
23:24	OldCoder	o/
23:24	OldCoder	Hm
23:24	OldCoder	betterthanyou710, you must login
23:24	OldCoder	betterthanyou710, hang on, adding +V
23:24	betterthanyou710	how does one login?
23:24	OldCoder	betterthanyou710, is this a registered nick? That is step 1
23:24	OldCoder	Must have registered nick
23:25	betterthanyou710	i believe so
23:25	OldCoder	Moment
23:25	Grandolf	/msg nickserv identify <password> to login
23:25	OldCoder	Yes
23:25	OldCoder	Do NOT
23:25	OldCoder	have a space at the start
23:25	OldCoder	Must be
23:25	OldCoder	/msg nickserv identify MYPASSWORD
23:25	OldCoder	or people will see the password
23:25	OldCoder	Better to use HexChat
23:25	OldCoder	to auto identity you
23:25	betterthanyou710	hm
23:25	OldCoder	Can do that
23:26	OldCoder	You can also do this!
23:26	OldCoder	Much safer
23:26	OldCoder	/query nickserv
23:26	OldCoder	In that window type
23:26	OldCoder	identify PASSWORD
23:26	OldCoder	Go on, try it
23:26	betterthanyou710	is there a way to change my password
23:26	betterthanyou710	kk
23:26	OldCoder	Yes, you can have a new one emailed to your registered email address
23:26	betterthanyou710	and how do i do that?
23:26	Grandolf	can u change ur registered email?
23:26	OldCoder	You forgot your password :-)
23:26	betterthanyou710	sorry im forgetting my password :P
23:27	OldCoder	Grandolf, not sure; betterthanyou710 wait, checking docs
23:27	betterthanyou710	thank you
23:27	betterthanyou710	i know the email i used
23:27	betterthanyou710	just not the password
23:28	OldCoder	/msg nickserv set password PASSWORD is what to do if you know the old one...
23:28	betterthanyou710	i dont know the old one sadly
23:29	OldCoder	/msg NickServ SENDPASS betterthanyou710
23:29	OldCoder	What does that do?
23:29	betterthanyou710	it sent a email
23:30	betterthanyou710	gimme a moment, following procedure
23:30	betterthanyou710	it might take a while to send
23:30	OldCoder	Hm? What were the instructions?
23:30	betterthanyou710	The password change key for betterthanyou710 has been sent to the corresponding email address.
23:30	betterthanyou710	just waiting for the key
23:31	OldCoder	Check spam
23:31	OldCoder	If you used a MS email, you have a problem
23:31	OldCoder	Let me know if that is the case
23:31	OldCoder	Gmail or Yahoo should be OK
23:31	OldCoder	Log into web interface and check spam folders there
23:32	betterthanyou710	checking
23:32	betterthanyou710	i have some weird stuff
23:32	betterthanyou710	woah
23:32	OldCoder	?
23:32	betterthanyou710	found it
23:32	OldCoder	spam or not spam?
23:33	betterthanyou710	different acc entirely
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23:33	betterthanyou710	ha 45 failed login attemps
23:33	betterthanyou710	k i am logged in
23:34	Grandolf	XD
23:34	betterthanyou710	can u V+ me?
23:34	betterthanyou710	dude my spam is great
23:34	betterthanyou710	im just gonna spend a while looking at this
23:34	OldCoder	You are +V
23:34	OldCoder	Watch
23:34	OldCoder	leave and come back
23:35		betterthanyou710 was kicked by OldCoder: come back and see
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23:35	betterthanyou710	tax returns, credit help, walgreens. all a man needs
23:35	OldCoder	Magic
23:35	betterthanyou710	why hello
23:35	betterthanyou710	interesting
23:35	betterthanyou710	thank you
23:35	OldCoder	But you should add auto-identify to hexchat
23:35	betterthanyou710	how?
23:35	OldCoder	You are using hexchat? Or other?
23:35	betterthanyou710	sorry, no one ever taught me this stuff
23:35	betterthanyou710	hexchat
23:35	OldCoder	Gud
23:36	OldCoder	Wait, It has been a while...
23:36	betterthanyou710	diabetes destroy bob johnson. i need to just spend a while looking at this
23:37	OldCoder	HexChat -> Networks -> Freenode -> Edit
23:37	OldCoder	Login Method: Try SASL first
23:37	OldCoder	Password: Enter password
23:37	OldCoder	betterthanyou710, ^
23:37	betterthanyou710	kk trying
23:37	OldCoder	SASL may not work for you, but try it 1st
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23:38	betterthanyou710	hm
23:38		Topic for #minetest-project is now #minetest-project is not renaming, moving, or shutting down \| Be civil in the channel
23:38	betterthanyou710	well how do i test it?
23:38	OldCoder	Restart HexChat betterthanyou710
23:38	betterthanyou710	well, ttyl
23:38	OldCoder	o/
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23:41	betterthanyou710	i dont think it worked
23:41	betterthanyou710	idk though
23:41	OldCoder	You seem to have authed
23:41	betterthanyou710	multiple responses were given
23:41	OldCoder	ChanServ gives voice to betterthanyou710
23:41	betterthanyou710	yeah i just manually did it
23:41	betterthanyou710	then it should be fine
23:41	OldCoder	OK try another login option
23:41	OldCoder	Just for fun
23:42	betterthanyou710	which one?
23:42	OldCoder	One of the 2 NickServ options
23:42	OldCoder	I think I know why SASL failed
23:42	OldCoder	But worry about that another time
23:42	betterthanyou710	k trying first nickserv option
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23:43	betterthanyou710	didnt work
23:43	OldCoder	Try 2nd nickserv option. You have entered the password correctly?
23:43	OldCoder	In the Freenode Edit screen?
23:43	betterthanyou710	yep
23:43	OldCoder	Try 2nd nickserv option
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23:44	OldCoder	One more try
23:44	OldCoder	betterthanyou710, do this
23:45	OldCoder	Turn OFF all of the checkboxes except for Accept Invalid SSL and the proxy one
23:45	OldCoder	Turn those two ON
23:45	OldCoder	Done?
23:45	betterthanyou710	yep
23:45	OldCoder	Now, there are four name fields
23:46	OldCoder	Vertical
23:46	OldCoder	Copy paste to set them ALL to betterthanyou710
23:46	betterthanyou710	done
23:46	OldCoder	Then add an underscore to the 2nd one from the top
23:46	betterthanyou710	done
23:46	OldCoder	Are you able to screenshot that screen?
23:47	betterthanyou710	one momento
23:47	betterthanyou710	putting on imgur
23:50	betterthanyou710	http://imgur.com/a/aJkg0
23:51	OldCoder	r
23:51	* Sokomine	takes the matches from the farmer and destroys them
23:52	OldCoder	betterthanyou710, remember to delete images that contain personal information...
23:52	OldCoder	R
23:52	betterthanyou710	wheres the personal info?
23:52	OldCoder	Looks good to me. Try this and then with SASL. betterthanyou710
23:52	OldCoder	The rest of the screen
23:52	OldCoder	Have not looked closely, but
23:52	OldCoder	all of your windows are tehre
23:52	OldCoder	there
23:53	OldCoder	So, people can see your channels; I suppose that is all
23:53	betterthanyou710	thats fine
23:53	betterthanyou710	wont change much :P
23:53	OldCoder	Setup looks correct. Save the changes.
23:53	OldCoder	Restart. May fail... I don't see
23:53	OldCoder	why it didn't work before.
23:53	OldCoder	Global info
23:53	OldCoder	is correct
23:54	OldCoder	Ah
23:54	OldCoder	He's connecting to which port?
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23:54	OldCoder	Sorry
23:54	OldCoder	Hm, please try SASL one more time
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23:57	OldCoder	OK, we tried
23:57	OldCoder	your basic setup looks good
23:57	OldCoder	Hm
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23:58	betterthanyou710	eh didnt work
23:58	OldCoder	Sorry
23:58	betterthanyou710	but oh welp
23:58	betterthanyou710	well*
23:58	betterthanyou710	its fine
23:58	OldCoder	You'll need to debug it
23:58	OldCoder	Interesting
23:58	betterthanyou710	its only like half a minute of my time :P
23:58	OldCoder	I am close to sleepy now...
23:58	betterthanyou710	kk
23:58	betterthanyou710	gn
23:58	OldCoder	Time is precious
23:58	OldCoder	Anyway welcome
23:58	OldCoder	to the official MT community edition channel
23:59	betterthanyou710	thank u
23:59	OldCoder	Need to rest
23:59	OldCoder	No, thank you
23:59	OldCoder	Zzz << brief rest
23:59	betterthanyou710	ping me when your back
23:59	betterthanyou710	things i want to talk about

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