| Time |
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| 00:06 |
rdococ |
Strange... I'm not getting Lua error messages for *anything* in 5.0.0. Minetest just crashes. |
| 00:15 |
IhrFussel |
I just wiped my entire minetest.conf by accident...now I gotta remember all my values D: |
| 00:20 |
IhrFussel |
minetest.conf allows comments right? Like ## this setting is for x |
| 00:20 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 00:20 |
IhrFussel |
Can the comment also be its own line? |
| 00:20 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 00:21 |
rubenwardy |
I'm not sure what the rules are on escaping # |
| 00:21 |
rubenwardy |
maybe # only works if it's the first non-whitespace character |
| 00:21 |
rubenwardy |
ie: can't use it after a setting |
| 00:21 |
rubenwardy |
tl;dr: try it |
| 00:22 |
IhrFussel |
Will it crash if it's not supported? Or just ignore the line? |
| 00:22 |
rubenwardy |
it'll be included in the setting |
| 00:22 |
rubenwardy |
ie'll foo = bar # thing will set foo to "bar # thing" if comments aren't supported after a setting |
| 00:23 |
rubenwardy |
lol, "ie'll" |
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| 00:35 |
IhrFussel |
Huh looks like 'server_dedicated' was removed from conf? I remember having that in my wiped conf |
| 00:36 |
rubenwardy |
server_dedicated doesn't need to be set, it's done internally by minetest |
| 00:37 |
IhrFussel |
Yeah it's not part of conf.example either |
| 00:37 |
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| 00:44 |
rubenwardy |
IhrFussel: you may be interested in some code that CTF has, it precompiles out setting calls into constants |
| 00:44 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/MT-CTF/capturetheflag/blob/master/build.sh |
| 00:50 |
rdococ |
Is there an easy way to change the maximum HP of a player in 5.0.0? |
| 00:51 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 00:51 |
rubenwardy |
max_hp |
| 00:51 |
rubenwardy |
well, not easy |
| 00:51 |
rubenwardy |
you also need to manually adjust the hp bar to show more hearts |
| 00:51 |
rdococ |
It won't show them on its own? |
| 00:52 |
rubenwardy |
there are long freezes every 18 seconds :( |
| 00:54 |
rdococ |
Interesting... it seems to scale the HP down (so that if you have, say, 100 max HP, one heart is 10 HP instead of just 1 or 2). |
| 00:59 |
rdococ |
Increasing HP always just seemed to me like increasing defense, but in a slightly more (or less) complicated way |
| 01:00 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, freezes regarding what? Talking about builtin sqlite auth? |
| 01:02 |
rubenwardy |
the map save interval is 18 seconds, and every 18 seconds it freezes for about 0.7s |
| 01:02 |
rubenwardy |
map saving is disabled though |
| 01:02 |
rubenwardy |
actually, I think it may be less than that |
| 01:02 |
rubenwardy |
ah, it happens when someone enters or leaves |
| 01:02 |
rubenwardy |
looks like it's sban |
| 01:03 |
rubenwardy |
well, fix hopefully coming soon ) |
| 01:04 |
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| 01:06 |
IhrFussel |
Yes sban is still heavy in your recent profiler report |
| 01:07 |
Fixer |
kek |
| 01:09 |
IhrFussel |
Regarding the cache I talked to shivajiva again...and he said the conf setting only tells sauth how many accounts to cache at LOAD time... the actual dynamic account cache during runtime is unlimited |
| 01:09 |
rdococ |
That's weird. My character died, but didn't have any HP when they respawned. |
| 01:21 |
IhrFussel |
fixed_map_seed is useless if you switch to another mapgen...or not? Cause the map will look different either way |
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| 02:19 |
IhrFussel |
Well...okay letting sauth run without caching for a while reports higher numbers but still...NOTHING compared to the old sauth version (200-300ms) |
| 02:19 |
IhrFussel |
- on_prejoinplayer[1] ............................... | 2 | 11799 | 2022 |
| 02:22 |
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| 03:15 |
rdococ |
I'm getting a problem with register_on_hpchange - I have a function that is guaranteed to either return hp_change or 0, but apparently it's returning nil? |
| 03:15 |
rdococ |
well, not nill but a non-number |
| 03:16 |
rdococ |
can't seem to reproduce it though |
| 03:33 |
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| 03:52 |
rdococ |
How do I determine if two stacks can be fully combined? |
| 03:55 |
rdococ |
nvm found |
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| 05:11 |
rdococ |
Sneak peek... https://i.imgur.com/6US1a0J.png |
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| 07:43 |
sofar |
https://github.com/minetest-mods/minetest-mods.github.io/issues/72 |
| 07:43 |
sofar |
open feedback request to anyone |
| 08:06 |
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| 09:09 |
nerzhul |
hello, weblate has been updated to master |
| 09:09 |
nerzhul |
https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/minetest/minetest/ |
| 09:09 |
nerzhul |
let's go |
| 09:23 |
nerzhul |
merging #7892 |
| 09:23 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7892 -- Deprecate modpack.txt and use modpack.conf instead by rubenwardy |
| 09:24 |
nerzhul |
merging #8013 |
| 09:24 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8013 -- Fix various bugs (Anticheat, Lua helpers) by SmallJoker |
| 09:28 |
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| 09:32 |
Krock |
hi imaginary tenplus1 |
| 09:32 |
nerzhul |
Krock, what the hell ? |
| 09:33 |
Krock |
I'm prepared every day but he's now only rarely here |
| 09:33 |
nerzhul |
^^ |
| 09:33 |
Krock |
quiet hard to do a race this way |
| 09:35 |
nerzhul |
latest android apk in production is now installed on 933 devices over 7k |
| 09:35 |
nerzhul |
currently the stats shows -100% crash :p |
| 09:39 |
nerzhul |
weblate is now correctly working, nice :=) |
| 09:39 |
nerzhul |
many rtanslations levels has lowered to 60% |
| 09:39 |
Krock |
didn't they already update recently already? |
| 09:40 |
Krock |
perhaps I just messed up updatepo.sh |
| 09:41 |
nerzhul |
in fact weblate has its own remote |
| 09:41 |
nerzhul |
and you must rebase against it |
| 09:41 |
nerzhul |
but it's difficult |
| 09:42 |
nerzhul |
generally what i do is: fetch weblate remote, checkout all po files to minetest master, push, run updatepo.sh push |
| 09:42 |
nerzhul |
and then i go to weblate interface reset & pull |
| 09:43 |
nerzhul |
i know many doesn't like transifex but interface and intergrate with repo are better :p |
| 09:43 |
nerzhul |
interetsing comment on the play store: one say he plays minetest on school pc :p |
| 09:50 |
Krock |
well, RUN_IN_PLACE builds are portable (Windows) and portable among similar systems (Linux) so it's not surprising :D |
| 09:50 |
nerzhul |
maybe it's to study :) |
| 09:50 |
Krock |
although an external HDD/SSD is a way better experience than a flash drive |
| 11:12 |
rdococ |
Trying to copy a screenshot of Minetest to GIMP causes GIMP to take a long time and then say that there is no image data in the clipboard. |
| 11:15 |
Krock |
try a 2nd time? |
| 11:15 |
Krock |
I also had that and just tried again to make it work |
| 11:15 |
rdococ |
Ah. I'll try it next time I need to get a screenshot. |
| 11:15 |
rdococ |
Anyway, a second peek: https://i.imgur.com/tlmsLS0.png |
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| 12:25 |
Krock |
so after all these years, we again have fireflies as "mobs" in-game |
| 12:33 |
nerzhul |
yeah but in lua :p |
| 12:39 |
rubenwardy |
Lua isn't slow |
| 12:39 |
rubenwardy |
The engine is slow |
| 12:42 |
rubenwardy |
with Luajit, the bottlenecks are with communication with the engine |
| 12:42 |
rubenwardy |
not with the lua code itself |
| 13:13 |
celeron55 |
it's not slow really, it's just often impossible to make it do what would be efficient in a given use case |
| 13:14 |
celeron55 |
like a tool box that's missing tools for a job you went to do |
| 13:18 |
Fixer |
fireflies are just "mobs", not real mobs |
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| 15:54 |
nerzhul |
Merged #8060 |
| 15:54 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8060 -- Content store: Disable more details dialog for now by rubenwardy |
| 16:20 |
nerzhul |
merging trivial #8061 |
| 16:20 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8061 -- Fix wrong code comment by DS-Minetest |
| 16:21 |
rubenwardy |
wrong channel |
| 16:21 |
rubenwardy |
:P |
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| 16:57 |
Krock |
rubenwardy: some work for you: https://forum.minetest.net/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=24189 |
| 16:57 |
Krock |
needs ban & delete |
| 16:57 |
rubenwardy |
done |
| 16:57 |
Krock |
missed one: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=21774&p=340192#p340192 |
| 16:58 |
rubenwardy |
lol what |
| 16:58 |
Krock |
ugh.. the post is half-way existing |
| 16:59 |
rubenwardy |
weird |
| 16:59 |
Krock |
thank you :D |
| 16:59 |
rubenwardy |
there's an option to delete the topic luckily |
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| 17:14 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, is the new sauth version live on CTF yet? |
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| 17:18 |
MinetestSam |
Yes it is |
| 17:21 |
IhrFussel |
And what does /status say? |
| 17:21 |
IhrFussel |
I'd assume not constantly 0.5 secs anymore |
| 17:21 |
IhrFussel |
Although sban is still a problem |
| 17:22 |
MinetestSam |
Haven't checked that but just a second |
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| 17:24 |
MinetestSam |
IhrFussel, max_lag=0.562125 |
| 17:24 |
IhrFussel |
Then it must be sban...the lag doesn't come down cause of it yet |
| 17:25 |
MinetestSam |
The players are saying that they are having no issues |
| 17:25 |
IhrFussel |
But in theory the lags should be less frequent now |
| 17:25 |
MinetestSam |
It is afaik |
| 17:25 |
MinetestSam |
Less than before |
| 17:26 |
IhrFussel |
sban is the only bad mod remaining according to rubenwardy's profiler report he posted last night |
| 17:26 |
MinetestSam |
shivajiva was working on it I think |
| 17:27 |
IhrFussel |
He is working on it right now...the one he finished was sauth |
| 17:27 |
IhrFussel |
And on my server sauth improved from 200-300ms per lookup to 2-3ms (without caching) |
| 17:27 |
MinetestSam |
Well good to see he hasn't left yet |
| 17:28 |
MinetestSam |
The database also keeps on increasing, so the idea suggested was to delete players with score less than 100 |
| 17:28 |
MinetestSam |
player database that is |
| 17:29 |
* Krock |
wonders what his score is |
| 17:29 |
* Shara |
adds a few numbers too it just to mess with things |
| 17:30 |
Shara |
to* |
| 17:30 |
MinetestSam |
ABMs and Chatplus was also removed so that should have also helped |
| 17:30 |
MinetestSam |
Heh |
| 17:31 |
IhrFussel |
The amount of records doesn't matter now anymore... shivajiva changed the DB structure to 1. properly INDEX the names column it seems and 2. split the big table with all records into 11 tables like auth_abc auth_def etc |
| 17:32 |
IhrFussel |
CTF had 650,000 records IIRC ... now one table will have max 200,000 cause of the splitting |
| 17:33 |
IhrFussel |
On my server with 150,000 accounts some tables have 30k records and other have only 5k (auth_misc only has 250 records cause barely anyone chooses a name that starts with - or _) |
| 17:34 |
MinetestSam |
That is good to hear |
| 17:35 |
IhrFussel |
He said the splitting is not necessary but imrpoves performance further... and I would prefer having multiuple tables with 30-50k records instead of having 1 with 150k |
| 17:35 |
IhrFussel |
improves* |
| 17:35 |
IhrFussel |
multiple* I should type slower sometimes |
| 17:39 |
MinetestSam |
Well I am waiting for ruben to post some stats soon |
| 17:39 |
IhrFussel |
Well in his mod profiler report that he ran last night it showed 1µs for sauth |
| 17:40 |
IhrFussel |
But I wonder how high it could go when he runs the profiler during busy times |
| 17:40 |
IhrFussel |
When CTF is full of people |
| 17:42 |
Krock |
the execution time will likely be very similar if it measures the average execution time |
| 17:42 |
Krock |
or min/max of each |
| 17:42 |
MinetestSam |
At the time of me asking the players about the lag there were 32 players out of 30 so that should give a good estimate |
| 17:44 |
IhrFussel |
(this was yesterday with auth caching off) -> - on_prejoinplayer[1] ............................... | 2 | 11799 | 2022 |
| 17:44 |
IhrFussel |
On my server |
| 17:45 |
IhrFussel |
A max of 12ms is absolutely fine |
| 17:46 |
IhrFussel |
Assuming builtin sqlite also uses proper indexing...shouldn't the 2 perform very similar now? |
| 18:04 |
rubenwardy |
they should |
| 18:14 |
IhrFussel |
Question: When does CS_HelloSent appear for the server? on_prejoin() or on_join()? |
| 18:19 |
Krock |
rejoin I guess |
| 18:22 |
IhrFussel |
Ugh...I thought you FINALLY fixed the fact that new players cannot connect anymore when too many are in the "media phase"... I assumed CS_HelloSent is when the client JOINS the world |
| 18:23 |
IhrFussel |
Why do we count players in media phase towards the LIMIT? |
| 18:24 |
IhrFussel |
Imagine 10 or more mobile players are stuck there...cool now they block connecting for anyone else |
| 18:25 |
IhrFussel |
It looks like you even WANT it like that according to nerzhul's PR here https://github.com/nerzhul/minetest/commit/60171295309d64319a2b39464e5b2a3e8bc7dd06#diff-27330fe8b12f281b2b6d288458912306 |
| 18:27 |
nerzhul |
it was fixed |
| 18:28 |
IhrFussel |
Where? It wasn't backported then |
| 18:31 |
nerzhul |
in 0.4.x ? |
| 18:34 |
IhrFussel |
The only commit I find is where you changed CS_active to CS_HelloSent |
| 18:36 |
IhrFussel |
No wait... you changed it from CS_Created to CS_HelloSent but if I read it correctly both of them happen before the media phase |
| 18:37 |
IhrFussel |
So it didn't fix this major issue where players count toward the limit as soon as they pass auth |
| 18:37 |
nerzhul |
yep |
| 18:37 |
nerzhul |
it's to solve the problem that non connected client can steal server slots |
| 18:38 |
nerzhul |
media phase is after yep |
| 18:38 |
IhrFussel |
That was one issue...the other is still existent...please move the check if too many users are connected to before join |
| 18:38 |
IhrFussel |
I mean only count clients that joined |
| 18:39 |
nerzhul |
it's the goal yes |
| 18:40 |
IhrFussel |
So if 10 mobile users are stuck for minutes in media download they don't count until they told the server that they are ready...and if the limit was reached until then they are disconnected |
| 18:40 |
rubenwardy |
it should probably be a little bit more flexible |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
like: give loading players a tentative slot. They lose this slot if they take too long or if a player that lost their slot finishes loading. New players can't start loading unless (slots + tentative_slots) < max_users |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
actually, it would be simpler to kick maybe |
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IhrFussel |
Also...isn't it (in theory) still possible to make a bot that is still able to fill slots? Maybe more difficult cause they have to emulate more steps but nonetheless possible |
| 18:43 |
rubenwardy |
the issue with just moving the slots to after media loading is that media loading can be a resource drain |
| 18:44 |
rubenwardy |
and it's also annoying to spend time loading and then be rejected |
| 18:44 |
IhrFussel |
The media cache helps there |
| 18:44 |
rubenwardy |
really it would be nice for a server to disconnect clients which don't use remote media |
| 18:44 |
IhrFussel |
The next time they load it will not take that long anymore |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
ie: so you can guarantee server-based sending isn't happening |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
oh, I guess |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
well - the proposed check after load is probably better if you have limits on media sending too |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
better than current |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
it's all a bit shit really |
| 18:47 |
IhrFussel |
On mobile media loading can take 1 or 2 minutes on weaker devices (I know it did take that long on my server in the past) |
| 18:47 |
IhrFussel |
I mean without downloading |
| 18:47 |
IhrFussel |
I heard it's cause of missing VRAM |
| 18:48 |
IhrFussel |
Sorry I mean media & nodes init together |
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| 19:03 |
rubenwardy |
fun commit: https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest/commit/8babb15bb90cea2a5717f0e90eaacfb45b652ee6 |
| 19:04 |
rubenwardy |
unfortunately you can't just respond with "this file doesn't exist" |
| 19:05 |
rubenwardy |
would probably be more useful to log this |
| 19:07 |
Krock |
auto -> const auto & |
| 19:07 |
Krock |
and that'll be a very long list |
| 19:23 |
Krock |
o/ spotted an active tenplus1 on the forums |
| 19:25 |
rubenwardy |
I did |
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| 19:37 |
Fixer |
due to the ongoi... sigh, can you stop telling me that? |
| 19:38 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, btw does your profiler still run on CTF? Any new values available? |
| 19:38 |
rubenwardy |
I disabled it |
| 19:38 |
rubenwardy |
What's the profiler overhead? |
| 19:39 |
IhrFussel |
I think it barely lags the server more... I cannot confirm a max_lag increase of more than 0.1 |
| 19:39 |
IhrFussel |
But it#s probably better to wait for the fix I told you in msg |
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IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, do not update to the new dev version of sauth now... it's completely broken and he tries to fix it |
| 20:47 |
IhrFussel |
Connecting isn't even possible cause of "2019-01-06 21:39:18: ERROR[Main]: ServerError: AsyncErr: ServerThread::run Lua: Authentication handler didn't return privilege table" |
| 20:50 |
IhrFussel |
Looks like it only breaks when you enable the caching |
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IhrFussel |
Looks like his idea (preloading X entries) exceeds the time the engine allows for the auth handler to setup |
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rdococ |
Hehe |
| 21:22 |
IhrFussel |
Why does the engine limit the auth handler setup time? |
| 21:22 |
rubenwardy |
it shouldn't |
| 21:22 |
IhrFussel |
Or is it a general 'mod startup' limit |
| 21:23 |
rubenwardy |
oh maybe it's a race condition |
| 21:23 |
rubenwardy |
like, due to singleplayer |
| 21:42 |
IhrFussel |
rubenwardy, would this make sense? Somebody connects to the server but sauth is still busy with populating the cache so it cannot return a 'privilege table' in time |
| 21:45 |
rdococ |
is there a key to hide the HUD, or take a screenshot without the HUD? |
| 21:45 |
rubenwardy |
f2 |
| 21:45 |
rubenwardy |
or f3 |
| 21:46 |
rdococ |
F2 hides chat, which I think might be enough for my purposes. |
| 21:47 |
IhrFussel |
Okay this explanation makes more sense -> auth handler is used as part of the priv handler ... all priv requests to the core call on auth to supply and modify the stored privs |
| 21:47 |
IhrFussel |
And builtin calls auth directly on startup |
| 21:58 |
rdococ |
https://i.imgur.com/KC3Gaky.jpg |
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luk3yx |
Is there a way for a CSM to know what the CSM restriction level on the server is? |
| 22:50 |
sfan5 |
no |
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* luk3yx |
should open an issue for that |
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