| Time |
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| 00:24 |
red-001 |
huh shivaninja isn't a registered nick |
| 00:32 |
red-001 |
btw if anyone comes across a phishing page https://safebrowsing.google.com/safebrowsing/report_phish/ |
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benrob0329 |
Wb Sokomine, Fixer |
| 01:18 |
* Sokomine |
piles up a few blocks and constructs a new house |
| 01:19 |
Megaf |
Bah, engadget.com is just a white blank page without JavaScript |
| 01:19 |
Megaf |
F**** them |
| 01:20 |
Megaf |
not enabling JS |
| 01:20 |
Megaf |
Not giving them cookies either |
| 01:20 |
Sokomine |
Megaf: yes, it's surprising to see how many web pages are out there where the creators don't really want to tell anything. makes you wonder why they created a web page in the first place |
| 01:21 |
red-001 |
Megaf, at least it looks better then with JS on |
| 01:22 |
Megaf |
wired.com works just fine without JS and cookies |
| 01:22 |
Megaf |
will read the article about the same stuff in wired.com instead |
| 01:23 |
Megaf |
nice thing is that ads at wired.com dont work without JS :D |
| 01:28 |
* benrob0329 |
's website doesn't use any JS :PP |
| 01:29 |
* red-001 |
's website doesn't even need html |
| 01:29 |
* rubenwardy |
's site doesn't require JS |
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* Megaf |
's website doesnt require JS nor sets/uses cookies |
| 01:39 |
Megaf |
you need to have a browser capable of displaying HTML5 tho |
| 01:45 |
rubenwardy |
ew |
| 01:45 |
rubenwardy |
you use wordpress.com to host |
| 01:59 |
Megaf |
I'm not talking about that website |
| 02:00 |
Megaf |
and wordpress.com is free... |
| 02:00 |
Megaf |
(ish) |
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benrob0329 |
Megaf: github pages is free too :P |
| 03:44 |
rubenwardy |
<3 |
| 03:44 |
rubenwardy |
it's pretty sweet |
| 03:45 |
rubenwardy |
although no HTTPS yet :'( |
| 03:46 |
benrob0329 |
I thought it had https..might be wrong |
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| 04:58 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: not very good for blog I'm afraid |
| 04:59 |
Megaf |
and wordpress is open source |
| 04:59 |
Megaf |
github isnt |
| 04:59 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: WordPress is, WordPress.com is not |
| 04:59 |
benrob0329 |
WordPress.com also has ads |
| 06:09 |
Roger9 |
* red-001 's website doesn't even need html |
| 06:22 |
roben1430 |
text only sites are boring though :P |
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rubenwardy |
Megaf: false on two counts |
| 10:05 |
rubenwardy |
blog.rubenwardy.com |
| 10:05 |
rubenwardy |
Github pages is just as open source as wordpress.com |
| 10:05 |
rubenwardy |
They're both companies offering hosting services |
| 10:06 |
rubenwardy |
And they both inject 0 proprietary code into the website |
| 10:06 |
rubenwardy |
Well, github pages doesn't inject any proprietary code |
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Calinou |
indeed, GitHub Pages lets you put whatever HTML/CSS/JS you want |
| 12:51 |
Calinou |
(including none, if you want) |
| 12:59 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 12:59 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server V4.17 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 13ms |
| 12:59 |
Megaf |
Morning all |
| 13:00 |
Megaf |
What you think? http://www.dx.com/p/uhappy-ur01-ultra-thin-cleaning-robot-vacuum-cleaner-sweeper-red-462791#.WlDHL2TwYnM |
| 13:13 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 13:13 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: UHAPPY UR01 Ultra-thin Cleaning Robot Vacuum Cleaner Sweeper - Red - Free Shipping - DealExtreme |
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| 13:23 |
Krock |
Megaf, that one sucks, literally. |
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| 13:36 |
Megaf |
I was searching for something to clear my bedrooms carpet |
| 13:36 |
Megaf |
just the bedroom |
| 13:46 |
Megaf |
Plugged in an old laptop I have, Debian Squeeze :) |
| 13:46 |
Megaf |
Pentium II 300MHz laptop |
| 13:46 |
Megaf |
still work |
| 13:46 |
Megaf |
battery even lasts a couple of minutes |
| 14:01 |
Fixer |
https://github.com/ionescu007/SpecuCheck |
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| 14:40 |
IhrFussel |
I got a problem: One of my players says he cannot craft in his inventory anymore, no matter what recipe he puts nothing appears |
| 14:42 |
Shara |
Hi all |
| 14:42 |
Shara |
Fussel, didn't you get that with someone once before? |
| 14:43 |
IhrFussel |
Shara, I just found abriglass:hidden_light in his craft grid and wonder how he got that ... that seems to be the problem |
| 14:43 |
Shara |
Hmm |
| 14:43 |
Shara |
I'm pretty sure that's not in creative by default |
| 14:43 |
Shara |
And even if it was, he could just remove it |
| 14:44 |
Shara |
groups = {cracky = 3, not_in_creative_inventory=1}, |
| 14:44 |
Shara |
And has no recipe |
| 14:44 |
Shara |
So you can only get it with /give |
| 14:44 |
Shara |
(or by picking it up) |
| 14:44 |
IhrFussel |
And no inventory image too? |
| 14:45 |
Shara |
considering we really only ever used it as an admin only item for lighting special areas, there was never a need |
| 14:45 |
Shara |
You do get scrollover text and should still see the number indicating how many you have |
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| 14:46 |
IhrFussel |
The number is not there if it#s just one |
| 14:46 |
Shara |
Still , a normal player should never be able to get it |
| 14:46 |
IhrFussel |
I know... must've been one of my moderators and probably with good reason |
| 14:47 |
Shara |
There's generally never a good reason to let normal players get items that are specifically excluded from usual access |
| 14:48 |
IhrFussel |
He says he found it somewhere in bones xP |
| 14:48 |
Shara |
Hah |
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| 14:48 |
Shara |
Then he clearly knew he had it and clearly moved it to his own crafting grid, so he was being a bit silly to not remove it again :P |
| 14:49 |
Shara |
If you want an inventory image added, feel free to find or make a suitable one. As long as it's okay looking I'd accept it in a PR as well |
| 14:50 |
Shara |
Or even add it myself if you don't want to make the PR. I just don't have time to try and figure out an image myself right now. |
| 14:52 |
Shara |
Will just add an issue for now so it's not forgotten. |
| 14:54 |
IhrFussel |
It's not a huge issue, but if a certain item has no inventory image and you only have 1 of it and play on mobile then... it can get pretty frustrating |
| 14:55 |
Shara |
https://github.com/Ezhh/abriglass/issues/6 |
| 14:56 |
Shara |
No objections beyond shortage of time to work on images |
| 14:56 |
Shara |
Textures are the bane of my MT existance |
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| 15:19 |
rubenwardy |
Shara, thought that was formspecs? |
| 15:26 |
benrob0329 |
Why are we supporting LuaJIT if it's broken and Lua5.3 is faster anyways? |
| 15:26 |
rubenwardy |
Lua is not faster |
| 15:26 |
rubenwardy |
wait, Lua5.3 is faster? |
| 15:28 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2988#issuecomment-128806080 |
| 15:28 |
rubenwardy |
on that one case |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
that's also memory allocations, not calculations |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
ie: it's massively turning over memory |
| 15:29 |
benrob0329 |
Its difficult to test 5.3 MT performance as we only support 5.1 afaik |
| 15:30 |
benrob0329 |
(Two versions behind, *cough*) |
| 15:30 |
rubenwardy |
you can still do language benchmarks |
| 15:30 |
benrob0329 |
Shall I adapt my Pi caclulator benchmark? |
| 15:31 |
rubenwardy |
maybe |
| 15:32 |
rubenwardy |
iirc, LuaJIT exceeds at function calls |
| 15:32 |
rubenwardy |
as it predicts and preloads, I believe |
| 15:32 |
rubenwardy |
*excels |
| 15:36 |
rubenwardy |
inb4 let's fork LuaJIT! |
| 15:36 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: https://www.reddit.com/r/lua/comments/2zutj8/mike_pall_luajit_dislikes_lua_53/ |
| 15:37 |
benrob0329 |
Also read top comment |
| 15:38 |
rubenwardy |
I don't really care that much about Lua 5.3 |
| 15:38 |
rubenwardy |
I do care about the memory limit |
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| 15:42 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: if 5.3 is at least competitive with LuaJIT, then why not care? It has fewer memory issues and is the latest version of the language |
| 15:42 |
rubenwardy |
it's slower |
| 15:42 |
benrob0329 |
Have you tested it? |
| 15:44 |
rubenwardy |
I've found benchmarks on the internet which show that |
| 15:48 |
benrob0329 |
Fair enough, still though UTF8 library |
| 15:49 |
rubenwardy |
cloudflare are offering to employ someone to maintain the LuaJIT library |
| 15:49 |
rubenwardy |
according to Mike Pall on a GH issue |
| 15:50 |
rubenwardy |
but they can't find anyone suitabk |
| 15:53 |
IhrFussel |
Are we talking µs difference or ms difference when we say LuaJIT is faster? |
| 15:54 |
Krock |
IhrFussel, percentage is a better way to show that. Not in seconds, unless the same test script is used for all |
| 15:57 |
IhrFussel |
If I'd imagine every single mod on my server to be 50% slower with regular lua ... then it wouldn't make that much of a difference actually... and the mod profiler reports the times as µs that's why I was asking |
| 15:57 |
* Megaf |
will try to make a floppy version of Minetest |
| 15:57 |
Shara |
rubenwardy: textures+formspecs then |
| 15:59 |
IhrFussel |
Most most heavy mods take 20-30 ms to execute on average... I don't think a jump to 40-50 ms would be noticable |
| 15:59 |
IhrFussel |
-most* |
| 16:00 |
rubenwardy |
IhrFussel, up to 64x faster |
| 16:00 |
rubenwardy |
depends on the calculations |
| 16:01 |
rubenwardy |
very maths heavy stuff with function calls will bring you up to 64x better |
| 16:01 |
rubenwardy |
but it wouldn't be as good as that in reality |
| 16:03 |
rubenwardy |
<@rubenwardy> IhrFussel, up to 64x faster |
| 16:03 |
rubenwardy |
<@rubenwardy> depends on the calculations |
| 16:03 |
rubenwardy |
<@rubenwardy> very maths heavy stuff with function calls will bring you up to 64x better |
| 16:03 |
rubenwardy |
<@rubenwardy> but it wouldn't be as good as that in reality |
| 16:03 |
rubenwardy |
<test> hi |
| 16:03 |
Sokomine |
Shara: same here. if it's glass - maybe you can take the normal glass cube texture and put an exclamation mark on it (after all it's just for moderators) |
| 16:04 |
Shara |
Maybe, but that's... I don't know. |
| 16:05 |
Shara |
The mod has it's own glass, so using default glass texture would be weird.. while the mods own wouldn't show since it's just cubes of colour |
| 16:06 |
Sokomine |
better than nothing at all. and anyone frustrated by the texture might be motivated to provide a better one |
| 16:07 |
Shara |
I'll probably eventually make one if people don't add one |
| 16:07 |
Shara |
add/provide* |
| 16:15 |
IhrFussel |
Okay it's definitely NOT the vehcicle mod regarding the sudden slowdown/halt of cars... the exact same happens with horses...I seriously think you broke something in 0.4.17 |
| 16:15 |
IhrFussel |
vehicle* |
| 16:19 |
IhrFussel |
Here is a video showing it with a horse http://94.16.121.151/mt5.mp4 |
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| 16:25 |
Shara |
What decides the age of a server that displays on the server list? We've got a two years+ old server that suddenly shows as only a few days old, and would liek to fix that if possible |
| 16:25 |
rubenwardy |
game_time in world.mt |
| 16:25 |
Shara |
Awesome thanks |
| 16:25 |
rubenwardy |
it's in seconds |
| 16:25 |
Shara |
No interesting in lying about it's age, but it should show what it is |
| 16:26 |
Shara |
interest* |
| 16:27 |
IhrFussel |
I guess I will have to look through all backported PRs myself |
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| 16:29 |
Shara |
My only back up for that server doesn't have game_time in world.mt... |
| 16:30 |
rubenwardy |
env_meta |
| 16:30 |
rubenwardy |
maybe |
| 16:30 |
Shara |
okay, there :) |
| 16:30 |
Megaf |
Shara: my server is show much younger than it is too |
| 16:31 |
Shara |
This isn't one of my actual servers, just one I help on |
| 16:31 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: hm, my env_meta got corrupted when my server was around 2 years old |
| 16:31 |
Megaf |
that explains a lot |
| 16:31 |
Shara |
And they've been trying to fix issues with the mods, but it seems env meta got deleted by mistake |
| 16:31 |
Megaf |
Shara: MT likes messing up world.mt and env_meta from time to time |
| 16:31 |
Megaf |
always have a backup of them |
| 16:32 |
IhrFussel |
I find absolutely nothing about entities/velocity/collision in the backported PRs ... so I need someone else to confirm this bug with 0.4.17 before I can blame it ... anyone got a 0.4.17 server/client and any vehicle/attach mod and can test it? |
| 16:32 |
Shara |
Megaf: my own servers do |
| 16:34 |
Shara |
But if I started making local backups of all servers I help with as well, I'd soon have no space left anywhere |
| 16:34 |
Megaf |
sfan5: any chance you can do a check in the logs of the server list to check when a server first showed up? |
| 16:35 |
Megaf |
I'd like to know when the server After The End showed up for the first time |
| 16:35 |
Megaf |
That's how Megaf Server V4 was called |
| 16:36 |
Megaf |
After The End is a cotninuation of Till It Ends |
| 16:36 |
Sokomine |
Megaf: oh yes. beeing able to see from when to when a server existed would be great |
| 16:37 |
Megaf |
I mostly want that so I can adjust my env_meta.txt to actually match my servers real age |
| 16:37 |
Megaf |
not sure if there's any timestamp in map.sqlite I could look at thouh |
| 16:37 |
Megaf |
or anywhere else |
| 16:43 |
IhrFussel |
My debug.txt is FULL OF "moved too fast; resetting position" ... that can't be right |
| 16:44 |
IhrFussel |
It's logged several times per second?? |
| 16:45 |
Sokomine |
IhrFussel: turn off anticheat? |
| 16:45 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: the moved to fast is just lag |
| 16:46 |
Megaf |
either in your server or players connection |
| 16:46 |
Megaf |
anticheat is ish elding players back and flooding your debug |
| 16:46 |
IhrFussel |
How can it lag several times per second? The highest lag my server experienced in the last 24 hours was 1.1 sec |
| 16:47 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: It's Minetest, just accept it |
| 16:48 |
rubenwardy |
it's printed when the client tries to move to a position too far away |
| 16:48 |
rubenwardy |
it can happen multiple times if packets are held back |
| 16:49 |
rubenwardy |
ie: it could receive a load of packets in a secound which are too far away, each packet having been emitted by the client one after another |
| 16:49 |
rubenwardy |
a more concise way to explain would probably be: the client doesn't know that it's moved too fast yet, so keeps sending packets in the wrong position |
| 16:49 |
IhrFussel |
Okay thanks for the explanation ... tunring off anti cheat is no option cause of that Android bug and I wouldn't recommend anyone to disable it |
| 16:49 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: I just dont quite understnad that happening with UDP |
| 16:50 |
Megaf |
UDP packages should be just dropped |
| 16:50 |
Megaf |
and not resent |
| 16:50 |
Megaf |
that's the whole idea behind UDP |
| 16:50 |
IhrFussel |
But now I just checked if the many log entries already happened in 0.4.16 and they did... so the bug must be caused by something other than anti cheat |
| 16:51 |
* Shara |
has huge problems with anticheat and no clue how to fix them |
| 16:51 |
rubenwardy |
the message is from anticheat |
| 16:51 |
rubenwardy |
but the bug is generally networking related |
| 16:51 |
IhrFussel |
I mean the stopping entity bug when trying to move fast |
| 16:52 |
Shara |
anticheat enabled on DL means people can't use mounts without getting weird jerky movement and so on |
| 16:52 |
rubenwardy |
I've not experienced that |
| 16:52 |
Shara |
Apparently it objects to how fast dragons fly :( |
| 16:52 |
IhrFussel |
It only happens in 0.4.17 which I upgraded my server to recently |
| 16:53 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: 15.398s Lua5.3, 0.686s LuaJIT |
| 16:54 |
IhrFussel |
It's not related to server lag (max_lag 0.2), not related to anticheat cause no entries happened when the entity gets reset, not related to map loading cause the map parts are clearly there |
| 16:54 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: Lua5.1 10.983s |
| 16:55 |
rubenwardy |
so it's dropped in performance on that benchmark? :O |
| 16:55 |
rubenwardy |
problem with benchmarks is there's lots you can perform |
| 16:55 |
rubenwardy |
except when it comes to Minetest, no benchmarks to be found! |
| 16:55 |
benrob0329 |
Indeed, this is a Pi calculation benchmark |
| 16:55 |
benrob0329 |
Yes there are |
| 16:55 |
benrob0329 |
I made one :P |
| 16:56 |
benrob0329 |
Also, Lua5.3 uses 64bit numbers now iirc, so that could be the cause of the performance drop |
| 16:56 |
benrob0329 |
I read something along those lines while looking into it earlier |
| 16:57 |
rubenwardy |
oh dear |
| 16:57 |
rubenwardy |
wait |
| 16:58 |
rubenwardy |
Lua has always used doubles |
| 16:58 |
rubenwardy |
which are 64bit |
| 16:58 |
rubenwardy |
#define LUA_NUMBER double |
| 16:59 |
benrob0329 |
https://www.reddit.com/r/lua/comments/3x9abq/lua_51_vs_53_performance/ |
| 17:00 |
benrob0329 |
>My random guess is it's to do with the defaulting to 64 bit integers in 5.3 |
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| 17:08 |
rubenwardy |
tempted to auto-kick everyone that types "gamemode 1" with "This ain't Minecraft," |
| 17:08 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: lol |
| 17:09 |
benrob0329 |
I'm tempted to say that MT needs to either only support official lua or only support LuaJIT |
| 17:09 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: I support that idea |
| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
or fork LuaJIT |
| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
yeah! |
| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
:/ |
| 17:09 |
* Shara |
totally supports that auto-kick |
| 17:09 |
benrob0329 |
If they continue to drift apart supporting both could be problematic |
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| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
I currently know how to write a simple interpreter |
| 17:09 |
benrob0329 |
Itd like supporting both d3d and opengl |
| 17:09 |
IhrFussel |
A longer video showing it ... maybe you guys can tell me what exactly could cause it ... you also see that it only happens when I cross a certain speed http://94.16.121.151/mt6.mp4 |
| 17:10 |
Krock |
rubenwardy, parse everything with regex >:) |
| 17:10 |
rubenwardy |
I wonder how long it would take me to learn how to write JIT compilation and compiler optimisations |
| 17:10 |
Megaf |
we should support only OpenGL, only LuaJIT, |
| 17:10 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 17:10 |
* rubenwardy |
slaps Krock |
| 17:10 |
* Krock |
feels hurt |
| 17:10 |
rubenwardy |
Turing complete languages aren't regular! |
| 17:10 |
Krock |
is it wrong to be special? |
| 17:10 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: did you benchmark Lua vs LuaJIT in Minetest already? |
| 17:12 |
benrob0329 |
Megaf: raw lua vs luajit |
| 17:12 |
rubenwardy |
benchmarking lua only stuff in Minetest is pointless |
| 17:13 |
rubenwardy |
you'd need to benchmark how well it performs with eg: LVM and C calls |
| 17:13 |
rubenwardy |
and calls from C into the language |
| 17:13 |
rubenwardy |
otherwise you might as well just use the pure interpreters |
| 17:16 |
Megaf |
all I know is that Im going to the swiming pool in 45 minutes |
| 17:16 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: has anyone done that? |
| 17:16 |
Megaf |
we have Lua and LuaJit and nobody knows which is best |
| 17:17 |
rubenwardy |
Well, LuaJIT is definitely going to be faster |
| 17:18 |
rubenwardy |
But it has the memory limit and hasn't got any of the newer language features |
| 17:26 |
benrob0329 |
So you have to choose between speed for featureset |
| 17:26 |
benrob0329 |
*or |
| 17:29 |
Megaf |
dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null bs=1M count=100 |
| 17:29 |
Megaf |
104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 103.933 s, 1.0 MB/s |
| 17:29 |
Megaf |
dat speed^ |
| 17:29 |
Megaf |
USB 1.0 in a Pentium II laptop |
| 17:30 |
IhrFussel |
104857600 bytes (105 MB, 100 MiB) copied, 0,123625 s, 848 MB/s |
| 17:30 |
Megaf |
benrob0329: I think I will begin to use default Lua |
| 17:31 |
IhrFussel |
848 MB/s isn't that fast considering it's a SSD I think |
| 17:33 |
Megaf |
104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 0.125758 s, 834 MB/s |
| 17:33 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: try bs=10M count=10 |
| 17:33 |
Megaf |
104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 0.0390658 s, 2.7 GB/s |
| 17:34 |
Megaf |
my VPS SSD ˆ^ˆ^ˆ^ˆ^ |
| 17:34 |
IhrFussel |
2.2 GB/s |
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| 17:36 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: but thats cached data |
| 17:36 |
benrob0329 |
IRC on a mobile connection, not too great |
| 17:36 |
Megaf |
IhrFussel: a more realistic thing would be bs=1024M count=1 |
| 17:37 |
Megaf |
that should overwhealm your cache |
| 17:37 |
benrob0329 |
Gonna be out for the day, o/ |
| 17:37 |
Megaf |
cya benrob0329 |
| 17:37 |
Megaf |
enjpy |
| 17:37 |
benrob0329 |
Feel free to kick me if the matrix bridge doesnt remove my user |
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| 17:38 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: there's no logs about when a server first appeared |
| 17:38 |
sfan5 |
but if you remember the IP that announced it, I can check the webserver logs |
| 17:40 |
Megaf |
sfan5: dynamic IP... |
| 17:40 |
Megaf |
I could guess the domain |
| 17:40 |
sfan5 |
you're out of luck then |
| 17:41 |
Megaf |
well, I know it would be somewhere not long before April 2012 |
| 17:41 |
Megaf |
I know because my server started at the same time I started dating my ex |
| 17:42 |
Megaf |
Though I still have my server... |
| 17:42 |
Megaf |
You got to get your priorities straghit |
| 17:42 |
Megaf |
she said, its your server or me! |
| 17:42 |
Megaf |
So I decided to keep my server! Of course |
| 17:43 |
Megaf |
(*that is not a true story at all) |
| 17:46 |
sfan5 |
uh |
| 17:47 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: I run the server list since the beginning(?) of 2016, so even if such logs would exist I would not have then |
| 17:50 |
rubenwardy |
who ran it before? |
| 17:51 |
Megaf |
Do, I adjusted my servers age to reflect its real age http://servers.minetest.net/ |
| 17:51 |
Megaf |
5.9 years |
| 17:51 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 17:51 |
rubenwardy |
I suspect that isn't true |
| 17:52 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: I did start it at the same time I started dating my ex, that is true story |
| 17:52 |
Megaf |
that was around March 2012 |
| 17:52 |
rubenwardy |
when did you join the forums in comparison? |
| 17:52 |
Megaf |
I joined the forums years after I had my server |
| 17:53 |
rubenwardy |
ah, so it was a private server |
| 17:53 |
Megaf |
public |
| 17:53 |
Megaf |
but not in the forums |
| 17:53 |
rubenwardy |
without a forum topic? |
| 17:53 |
rubenwardy |
there was no server list |
| 17:53 |
Megaf |
I was and I am on IRC, why forum? |
| 17:53 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: did it exist before that? |
| 17:53 |
Megaf |
you can track IRC logs and see when I first showed up here |
| 17:53 |
rubenwardy |
that's how you found servers in those days |
| 17:54 |
rubenwardy |
oh well, just interested |
| 17:54 |
Megaf |
Joined:Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:00 pm |
| 17:54 |
Megaf |
time I joined the forum |
| 17:54 |
rubenwardy |
sfan5, swear the server list was early - mid 2014 |
| 17:55 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/ee07c3f7cf638e854518d2cfcb9c11a64412cc72#diff-f71ce78417ed4fd4fc2156fb4120ba31 |
| 17:55 |
sfan5 |
so xyz probably ran it before that |
| 17:55 |
rubenwardy |
ah, 2013 |
| 17:55 |
red-001 |
was that minetest.ru domain their? |
| 17:55 |
Megaf |
24 Dec 2013 when was my server was back after been offline of a long time |
| 17:55 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 17:57 |
Megaf |
24/04/2014 server was renamed back to Megaf Server |
| 17:58 |
Megaf |
Krock: your 500th post was in my servers topic, remember? |
| 17:58 |
Megaf |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=129535#p129535 |
| 17:59 |
Krock |
how exactly is that still relevant? |
| 18:00 |
Megaf |
in my brain, time is different |
| 18:00 |
Megaf |
fact |
| 18:00 |
Krock |
in fact it runs backwards? |
| 18:00 |
Megaf |
I don't make distinction of things that happened 20 years ago or tomorrow |
| 18:00 |
Megaf |
I still remember all the same |
| 18:00 |
Megaf |
kinda like photographic memory, but full of holes |
| 18:00 |
Megaf |
I dont forget what happened, but I can register time |
| 18:01 |
Megaf |
cant register time* |
| 18:01 |
Megaf |
my RTC battery must be worn out |
| 18:02 |
Megaf |
swiming pool time, cya all |
| 18:08 |
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| 18:14 |
Krock |
Can someone break this 7-times-in-a-row-posting? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=307182#p307182 |
| 18:14 |
Krock |
^ rubenwardy, perhaps? :) |
| 18:15 |
Krock |
after so many attempts he didn't figure out that it's the scaling algorithm that makes the difference |
| 18:15 |
rubenwardy |
messaged |
| 18:16 |
Krock |
Great, thanks |
| 18:18 |
rubenwardy |
also split |
| 18:18 |
sofar |
and posted some actual game screenhots |
| 18:22 |
rubenwardy |
there's always the same suspects |
| 18:22 |
rubenwardy |
azekill_DIABLO |
| 18:22 |
rubenwardy |
Chibi ghost |
| 18:23 |
Krock |
hint: the posting.php?mode=edit... is not accessible for regular forum users |
| 18:23 |
red-001 |
^ |
| 18:23 |
rubenwardy |
what? |
| 18:24 |
Krock |
also, it's a post edit link, which would disallow that for non-moderators anyway |
| 18:24 |
rubenwardy |
for posts or topics? |
| 18:24 |
red-001 |
Information |
| 18:24 |
red-001 |
You cannot edit posts in this forum. |
| 18:24 |
rubenwardy |
oh oops |
| 18:24 |
rubenwardy |
wrong link |
| 18:24 |
Krock |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19307 |
| 18:25 |
red-001 |
thats how small the code for image compare in jave is? |
| 18:25 |
red-001 |
I think python just lost it's job as being peusdocode |
| 18:26 |
red-001 |
at* |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
it depends on the libraries used |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
with OpenCV you could do it in 4 lines |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
no including includes |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
in C, that is |
| 18:26 |
red-001 |
ah is javax not standard lib? |
| 18:26 |
rubenwardy |
not sure |
| 18:28 |
red-001 |
huh weird if I hold my mouse at a certain angle the pointer just goes crazy |
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| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
does anyone kknow off the back of their hand what the control character for colors is? |
| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
in Minetest chat |
| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
ah, 0x1b |
| 18:32 |
rubenwardy |
a user is posting messages with 0x10 |
| 18:33 |
rubenwardy |
(backspace) |
| 18:33 |
rubenwardy |
which is odd |
| 18:34 |
rubenwardy |
asked them if they use any CSM mods, and what their keyboard was, and they said: |
| 18:34 |
rubenwardy |
<Natchou> No sorry Ruben, and you? |
| 18:37 |
red-001 |
I guess you could post 0x10 with CSM, not sure why you would |
| 18:37 |
Krock |
ESC |
| 18:38 |
red-001 |
rubenwardy, buggy android client is my guess |
| 18:38 |
Krock |
using CSM.. that sounds promising as I can't paste control characters in the chat prompt |
| 18:38 |
rubenwardy |
it's worth stripping control characters, I guess |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
including /n /r etc |
| 18:39 |
red-001 |
Krock, use windows |
| 18:39 |
red-001 |
somehow that works on windows but not linux |
| 18:39 |
Krock |
red-001, or Wine |
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nerzhul |
if i remeber we strip things in CSM chat sending to have proper text no ? |
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| 21:04 |
paramat |
rubenwardy azekill_DIABLO's overposting is irritating on the forum, but i almost feel i can't complain =/ seems to be almost every other post in screenshots. their avatar is suitable |
| 21:05 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 21:25 |
Fixer |
paramat: join the shitpost, if you can't fight it... become it |
| 21:25 |
Shara |
paramat: this is why I try to avoid looking in certain forums/topics |
| 21:26 |
red-001 |
Q. Why do devs avoid the forum |
| 21:26 |
red-001 |
A. see above |
| 21:33 |
paramat |
i have my account configured to not display their posts |
| 21:34 |
red-001 |
I tried to use css but it tends to look a bit weird |
| 21:35 |
Fixer |
paramat: is this possible? o_0 |
| 21:36 |
rubenwardy |
foo |
| 21:36 |
rubenwardy |
*foes |
| 21:36 |
rubenwardy |
it breaks the forum though |
| 21:36 |
rubenwardy |
as it may cause mismatching HTML brackets |
| 21:36 |
rubenwardy |
but in most cases it works |
| 21:57 |
Fixer |
hmmm |
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| 22:53 |
Megaf |
Hi all |
| 22:53 |
Megaf |
!server Megaf |
| 22:53 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Megaf Server V4.17 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/10, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.17-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 12ms |
| 22:55 |
IhrFussel |
My server is at the top of the server list right now...I wouldn't have thought that this happens again someday |
| 22:55 |
IhrFussel |
Probably the [2018] in the name |
| 22:56 |
Megaf |
meh, that's great. I just don't have any motivation for my server anymore |
| 22:57 |
Megaf |
Minetest for me is jsut pain and frustration |
| 22:57 |
Megaf |
And I'm not alone in that thinking |
| 22:57 |
Megaf |
HOPEFULLY things will get better with 0.5 |
| 22:57 |
IhrFussel |
You should try to add [NEW] to your server name and see if it suddenly gets popular again |
| 22:58 |
Flitzpiepe |
Megaf which one is your server? |
| 22:58 |
sofar |
ITB barely gets in the top 40, lol |
| 22:58 |
Megaf |
Flitzpiepe: couple of lines above |
| 22:58 |
rubenwardy |
IhrFussel, having sban issues on my server |
| 22:58 |
rubenwardy |
hence why it's offline |
| 22:58 |
Megaf |
I have had servers in the top 5 already |
| 22:59 |
Megaf |
I just never cared about it |
| 22:59 |
sofar |
rubenwardy: way to burst the bubble |
| 22:59 |
rubenwardy |
also can't seem to ban a user by IP using UFW |
| 22:59 |
Flitzpiepe |
thanks MegaF |
| 22:59 |
Megaf |
rubenwardy: don't use sban |
| 22:59 |
Megaf |
use future_ban |
| 22:59 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
| 22:59 |
sofar |
rubenwardy: what issues? I just pushed a bunch of stuff to it earlier |
| 22:59 |
rubenwardy |
xban isn't even working |
| 22:59 |
rubenwardy |
sofar: an IPv6 player isn't being banned |
| 22:59 |
* Megaf |
hates sban |
| 22:59 |
* Megaf |
loves future_ban |
| 22:59 |
rubenwardy |
they can join from the same IP address |
| 22:59 |
rubenwardy |
and in ban_record it shows as a separate record |
| 23:00 |
sofar |
oh, let's fix it then |
| 23:00 |
rubenwardy |
ie: not the same number of records or usernames |
| 23:00 |
sfan5 |
>ufw |
| 23:00 |
sfan5 |
should've used ip6tables |
| 23:00 |
rubenwardy |
ufw is nicer |
| 23:00 |
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| 23:00 |
sofar |
ipset |
| 23:01 |
Megaf |
For the record, I don't really hate sban |
| 23:01 |
Megaf |
I just like future_ban and had no need, yet, for sban |
| 23:03 |
Flitzpiepe |
MegaF: what to do to get interact- and home-priv? |
| 23:03 |
rubenwardy |
err, /etc/sysconfig doesn't exist so I can't edit /etc/sysconfig/ip6tables |
| 23:04 |
Megaf |
Flitzpiepe: go back to the chat there |
| 23:04 |
Flitzpiepe |
ok |
| 23:10 |
* Shara |
pokes the Megaf |
| 23:10 |
Shara |
No hating sban allowed. :) |
| 23:10 |
Megaf |
Shara: it better be a very long stick |
| 23:10 |
Shara |
Who said I'm using a stick? |
| 23:11 |
Shara |
FIxed one tiny problem there anyway |
| 23:16 |
Megaf |
<ACTION> 2018-01-06 23:15:24: [Server] CHAT: <Megaf> Minetest-Hub is a great place for this exchange of ideas |
| 23:16 |
Megaf |
<ACTION> 2018-01-06 23:15:51: [Server] CHAT: <Megaf> Maybe all I need to motivate me again is some new good active players |
| 23:16 |
Shara |
Good players is the best motivation |
| 23:17 |
sofar |
aye |
| 23:18 |
Megaf |
By the way, my todays project is a floppy based Minetest game |
| 23:18 |
sofar |
thank goodness to https://minetest.foo-projects.org/rankings.html |
| 23:18 |
Megaf |
I want to put Minetest in a floppy and run it from there |
| 23:18 |
Flitzpiepe |
Hi Shara |
| 23:19 |
rubenwardy |
aaahhh |
| 23:19 |
rubenwardy |
the ban didn't work because I copied the wrong IP address |
| 23:19 |
rubenwardy |
jeez |
| 23:19 |
Shara |
seriously? :D |
| 23:19 |
sofar |
ip6 can be tricky |
| 23:19 |
sofar |
lol |
| 23:19 |
rubenwardy |
well, that's the second issue |
| 23:19 |
sofar |
::1 |
| 23:19 |
rubenwardy |
the first issue was I copied the right IP address, but the rules were in the wrong order |
| 23:20 |
rubenwardy |
it did ALLOW ALL 30000, then DENY FROM <IP> |
| 23:20 |
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| 23:20 |
rubenwardy |
yay, the bad player timed out! :P |
| 23:21 |
IhrFussel |
Can MT even handle IPv6 only? |
| 23:21 |
Megaf |
it can handle ipv6, not sure if you can block ipv4 |
| 23:21 |
IhrFussel |
I think I never saw a IPv6 address in the logs |
| 23:21 |
sofar |
yes, it can |
| 23:21 |
sofar |
I have plenty of ipv6 players on my server |
| 23:21 |
sfan5 |
IhrFussel: that's because your server is announcing by it's v4 IP |
| 23:21 |
* Megaf |
fires up it's building server |
| 23:22 |
IhrFussel |
sfan5, so it only supports ipv4 or what? |
| 23:22 |
Megaf |
lets see how small I can get MT to be |
| 23:22 |
sfan5 |
IhrFussel: effectively yes |
| 23:23 |
sfan5 |
even if clients support IPv6, they don't know your servers address so they fall back to IPv4 |
| 23:23 |
IhrFussel |
I thought every Ipv6 address right now also has a IPv4 one |
| 23:23 |
sfan5 |
no that's not how it works |
| 23:23 |
rubenwardy |
the majority do |
| 23:24 |
rubenwardy |
but it is technically possible to have an IPv6 only server |
| 23:24 |
IhrFussel |
Wait so you are telling me I "block" IPv6 only players? |
| 23:25 |
sfan5 |
if you don't have ipv4 support 90% of the internet will just not work |
| 23:25 |
sfan5 |
such people don't exist |
| 23:25 |
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| 23:26 |
paramat |
Megaf your pain and frustration is understandable but is mostly not MT's fault. i helped with your issues and we discovered it is due to badly coded or outdated mods, or mods relying on broken behaviour that was fixed, or due to your own level of lua coding ability. however you have a habit of automatically blaming MT and the devs for everything, don't you? =) |
| 23:26 |
rubenwardy |
jeez, I have too many passwords |
| 23:26 |
rubenwardy |
I use a password manager, but that doesn't work with Minetest |
| 23:26 |
rubenwardy |
no idea what my private server password is |
| 23:27 |
paramat |
your problems likely have a rational explanation, don't blame MT until you know the cause =) |
| 23:27 |
VanessaE |
paramat: doesn't that sound like someone else we all know? :) |
| 23:27 |
Megaf |
paramat: I'm not talking about the mods issues ;) |
| 23:27 |
rubenwardy |
salllltttt |
| 23:27 |
rubenwardy |
:/ |
| 23:27 |
Megaf |
I really don't mind about them and they are usually easily fixable |
| 23:29 |
paramat |
ok, what's the issue? |
| 23:30 |
sofar |
seems I never had ip6 enabled to my media server, no wonder I never see ip6 ips in my nginx logs |
| 23:30 |
paramat |
running a server requires pretty good lua skills, so i'm unsurprised you're finding it tough =) |
| 23:33 |
Megaf |
paramat: well, you affirmation just became one of my issues |
| 23:34 |
Fixer |
hmmm |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
paramat: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8031 |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
!title |
| 23:34 |
MinetestBot |
Megaf: Lack of quality control and speed - Minetest Forums |
| 23:34 |
Fixer |
my old avast from 2011 with new databases is dead after meltdown patch, i'm sad, it is not like i liked it, but now i need to choose other one from the %%%% pile |
| 23:34 |
Megaf |
Tue Dec 17, 2013 23:35 |
| 23:35 |
Megaf |
Shara: have you have read that topic? ^ |
| 23:35 |
paramat |
ok, apart from that though? |
| 23:35 |
Megaf |
and cheapie was right |
| 23:35 |
Fixer |
ms says i need microcode update for spectre mitigation, my last bios is from 2014, i'm screwed? or i can update it manually? |
| 23:36 |
paramat |
oh |
| 23:36 |
sofar |
microcode is a userspace thing |
| 23:36 |
Megaf |
paramat: my topic from 2013 says part of my issues https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8031 |
| 23:36 |
sofar |
linux has a tool for it |
| 23:36 |
Megaf |
sofar: as in CPU microcode? |
| 23:36 |
sofar |
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode e.g. |
| 23:36 |
Fixer |
ms said, wait for microcode update (but not from us), so i sit and ... |
| 23:37 |
Shara |
I have a mod to write, an argument to win and study to do! No time for reading ancient threads, Megaf! |
| 23:37 |
* sofar |
& more golang |
| 23:37 |
Megaf |
argument to win, interesting |
| 23:38 |
Fixer |
according to https://github.com/ionescu007/SpecuCheck i have meltdown patch, but not spectre one |
| 23:38 |
Shara |
Not really. It's very sad and will likely cause the death of a server, but that's how it goes :( |
| 23:38 |
Megaf |
Shara: so just let it be |
| 23:39 |
Megaf |
study would be more important than killing a server I recon |
| 23:39 |
Shara |
Not that simple, but it is what it is. I think I'll write the mod instead. |
| 23:39 |
rubenwardy |
buu buuutt |
| 23:39 |
rubenwardy |
she needs to work on cool mods! |
| 23:40 |
Shara |
But rubenwardy.. it's not a cool one! |
| 23:40 |
Shara |
I wish it was |
| 23:40 |
* rubenwardy |
too, is flipping between Minetest and studying |
| 23:40 |
paramat |
concerning your post: our quality is reasonable. media download time has nothing to do with MT quality, that's due to your server or client connection speed |
| 23:40 |
Shara |
I've been trying to check what I need to read next for study for the past hour... but I can't seem to focus long enough to open the university site :) |
| 23:41 |
Fixer |
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/how-to-update-microcode-from-windows.787152/ |
| 23:41 |
paramat |
buggy commits are pushed to GIT during dev that's inevitable, use stable releases |
| 23:42 |
rubenwardy |
we simply need more automated testing |
| 23:42 |
rubenwardy |
and more testers |
| 23:42 |
Shara |
^ |
| 23:42 |
rubenwardy |
and more good devs |
| 23:42 |
Shara |
Find me a non-annoying way to compile on windows so I don't need a different machine for it, and I'll gladly test more things |
| 23:42 |
paramat |
'make a board / testing team' all of us are that already. we bug hunt during freeze. we are always optimising speed |
| 23:43 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
| 23:43 |
Shara |
rubenwardy: basically we need mroe everything |
| 23:43 |
Shara |
more* |
| 23:43 |
rubenwardy |
certain users are optimising |
| 23:43 |
Shara |
But for me, mostly more tea... |
| 23:43 |
* Shara |
heads for kitchen :P |
| 23:43 |
rubenwardy |
most work on dev important maintenance and new features |
| 23:43 |
rubenwardy |
s/certain users/certain devs/g |
| 23:44 |
rubenwardy |
me, I talk a lot and occasionally submit PRs |
| 23:46 |
sofar |
I yell when everyone is asleep |
| 23:47 |
paramat |
however i do agree that the focus could shift a little more towards bugfixes and stability over complex/problematic new features |
| 23:49 |
Megaf |
DATˆ ^^^^^^^^^ˆ |
| 23:49 |
Shara |
Yes please |
| 23:49 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 23:49 |
Megaf |
Stop with new features and fix features we already have! |
| 23:49 |
paramat |
hopefuly we've learnt from CSM :} |
| 23:49 |
Megaf |
paramat: v5, v6, v7, and all the other mapgens is one of my issues WITH MT |
| 23:50 |
Megaf |
also the huge number of database support |
| 23:50 |
rubenwardy |
probably is that sometimes fixing features needs more features |
| 23:50 |
Megaf |
also Lua and LuaJIT |
| 23:50 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 23:50 |
Megaf |
you are multiplicating every single feature/thing and fixing none |
| 23:50 |
Shara |
paramat: no, since CSM is still sitting there being CSM |
| 23:50 |
rubenwardy |
that's very low technical debt |
| 23:50 |
Shara |
Is anyone working on server provided CSM? |
| 23:51 |
rubenwardy |
all the different databases / mapgens are implemented as separate classes |
| 23:51 |
Megaf |
make a single good, stable and fast database backend, a good customaziable mapgen |
| 23:51 |
rubenwardy |
so are self-contained |
| 23:51 |
rubenwardy |
ha! |
| 23:51 |
Megaf |
KILL CSM FOR THE LOVE OD GOD |
| 23:51 |
rubenwardy |
you can't make a single good database |
| 23:51 |
Megaf |
OF* |
| 23:51 |
rubenwardy |
like you can't make a single good language |
| 23:51 |
Megaf |
ruben, sqlite is almost perfect for our usecase |
| 23:51 |
rubenwardy |
as for Lua vs LuaJIT - they both have the same API |
| 23:51 |
sofar |
there is a sane reason for having several db backends |
| 23:51 |
Megaf |
fast, flexible, stable |
| 23:51 |
rubenwardy |
it's not for servers |
| 23:52 |
paramat |
gah, i didn't mean new mapgens |
| 23:52 |
rubenwardy |
there is no in-memory caching anywhere, so you have to keep more blocks in MT itself to avoid it |
| 23:52 |
Megaf |
no other game that I know of have several dabase backaends |
| 23:52 |
Megaf |
not even wordpress |
| 23:52 |
rubenwardy |
wordpress does |
| 23:52 |
rubenwardy |
well, lots of forums do |
| 23:52 |
sofar |
I was gonna say |
| 23:52 |
rubenwardy |
not sure about wordpress actually |
| 23:52 |
sofar |
wp can have several backends |
| 23:52 |
rubenwardy |
usually they have a compatibility layer which allows MySQL / postgresql / etc |
| 23:52 |
Megaf |
wordpress officially is MySQL only |
| 23:52 |
sfan5 |
every good web application supports at least mysql and postgres |
| 23:53 |
paramat |
new mapgens use existing ways of coding so are not problematic at all, they are more 'content' |
| 23:53 |
sofar |
https://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Alternative_Databases |
| 23:53 |
paramat |
really mapgens are the last thing to complain about |
| 23:53 |
Megaf |
Minetest could support only sqlite and redis |
| 23:53 |
sofar |
that's a horrible selection |
| 23:53 |
Megaf |
paramat: my point is. a lot of time was put into all those stuff, time that could habe been put in fixing things |
| 23:53 |
sofar |
sqlite and postgres are #1 and #2 choices |
| 23:53 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome |
| 23:54 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2 -- Burned wood |
| 23:54 |
rubenwardy |
lo |
| 23:54 |
rubenwardy |
* lol |
| 23:54 |
sofar |
sorry, not sorry |
| 23:54 |
Megaf |
where is ShadowBot coming from now? |
| 23:54 |
Megaf |
ah, #231412 |
| 23:54 |
ShadowBot |
Megaf: Error: Delimiter not found in "HTTP Error 404: Not Found" |
| 23:54 |
sofar |
# |
| 23:55 |
Megaf |
I bet I could inject code i the bot |
| 23:55 |
Megaf |
in* |
| 23:55 |
paramat |
Megaf if i didn't work on a mapgen i would not have worked on something else, they are done from passion |
| 23:56 |
sfan5 |
Megaf: here's an example https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commits/fc9747eb4b7f75e59a28957bc50f7a78256b3d66/src/database-redis.cpp |
| 23:56 |
paramat |
and i can maintain them all myself, no one else needs to spend tme on them |
| 23:56 |
Megaf |
From my topic. "Don't get me wrong, minetest core developers are brilliant people who really know to code well and are fast working to resolve issues " |
| 23:56 |
sfan5 |
the redis backend was touched very rarely in the last 4 years, i don't believe it has taken up signficant amounts of development time |
| 23:57 |
Megaf |
sfan5: to create in the first place, but anyway, these are not my point... Are jsut examples |
| 23:57 |
Megaf |
meanwhile there's plenty of amazing PRs dying out |
| 23:57 |
sfan5 |
database backends are bad examples for this |
| 23:57 |
Megaf |
paramat saw in first hand many Rogers and ShadowNinjas PRs dyining |
| 23:57 |
Megaf |
just because nobody had a look at them |
| 23:57 |
Megaf |
I mean |
| 23:57 |
Megaf |
I have no idea about the reason |
| 23:58 |
Megaf |
there's even good PRs from c55 that just dieded |
| 23:58 |
rubenwardy |
ShadowNinja's PRs die because (s)he doesn't split them into separate commits or PRs |
| 23:58 |
rubenwardy |
and there no good ones from c55 |
| 23:58 |
rubenwardy |
they all contain bugs in some form |
| 23:58 |
rubenwardy |
SN also puts massive amounts of unrelated changes into PRs |
| 23:59 |
Shara |
Megaf: if someone wants to make a new feature and that's the thing that happens to motivate them into contributing, people can't say no and demand they only fix other people's work. |
| 23:59 |
sofar |
and sofar can't code ... |
| 23:59 |
Megaf |
I understand that Shara |
| 23:59 |
Shara |
I would much prefer a focus on fixing things as well, but in practice it's not always so easy |
| 23:59 |
Shara |
sofar :D |
| 23:59 |
paramat |
i only closed PRs neglected by the authors. recently we went from 140 to 90 PRs so we're doing well |
