| Time |
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Fixer |
*,,,,,* |
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| 01:00 |
Fixer |
heh, stk performance is great |
| 01:00 |
Fixer |
their reworked graphics a bit, no more startup freeze and stuff |
| 01:03 |
Fixer |
they* |
| 01:29 |
Megaf |
echo '## Welcome to MiSoDoCo - Minetest Source Downloader and Compiler' |
| 01:30 |
Megaf |
lol, my first MT sourcecode downloader and compiler script |
| 01:30 |
Megaf |
from 09/09/2013 |
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| 03:11 |
rubenwardy |
!title https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19208 |
| 03:11 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy: Old Minetest Changelog - Minetest Forums |
| 03:14 |
tumeninodes |
ha, you stalkin me? I was just reading that post... :) |
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| 05:18 |
tumeninodes |
check the forums, names fanboi and muller |
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| 05:20 |
roben1430 |
wasn't c55's post on 0.5 suppost to be reposted as a sort of joke? or was that a joke in and of itself.. |
| 05:38 |
red-F00 |
vid.me is gone afaik |
| 05:45 |
red-F00 |
also what's with the off? |
| 05:45 |
roben1430 |
its offtopic, thats all |
| 05:46 |
roben1430 |
don't need to clutter the logs with me rants :-) |
| 05:46 |
roben1430 |
switching to phone, brb |
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| 05:52 |
roben1430 |
back |
| 06:33 |
red-F00 |
lol that clear our browser history warning is great |
| 06:33 |
tumeninodes |
? :P |
| 06:33 |
red-F00 |
especially considering people have been charged in the past for something as simple as clearing browser history |
| 06:33 |
tumeninodes |
ah... haha |
| 06:34 |
tumeninodes |
well that would only be if you were involved in a crime |
| 06:34 |
tumeninodes |
the averge, innocent individual is fine to do so |
| 06:34 |
tumeninodes |
averge? 0_o |
| 06:35 |
red-F00 |
some guy got charged because they were investigating someone he was friends with, without any proof they did anything wrong |
| 06:35 |
red-F00 |
s/they/he |
| 06:35 |
tumeninodes |
well, you hang with the wrong crowd... things get sticky |
| 06:36 |
tumeninodes |
being charged is one thing... being found guilty is another |
| 06:37 |
red-F00 |
can't find that story found one where charging the person was much more justified |
| 06:38 |
tumeninodes |
but those links are good and useful to some here |
| 06:38 |
tumeninodes |
probably because in the end, that other guy was found to be innocent |
| 06:44 |
tumeninodes |
you do understand why that warning is there, right? |
| 06:45 |
sofar |
to prevent retaliation in case an abuser finds out that the victim is googling restrainint orders |
| 06:45 |
tumeninodes |
* exactically |
| 06:45 |
tumeninodes |
woops ^ |
| 06:48 |
tumeninodes |
how are you doing? |
| 06:48 |
sofar |
coding next project |
| 06:48 |
tumeninodes |
awesome |
| 06:50 |
tumeninodes |
just to help you feel better, I am still converting :P |
| 06:51 |
sofar |
also cleaning up some poop atm |
| 06:51 |
tumeninodes |
yeh, I know. Sorry you're dealing with so much poop |
| 06:53 |
tumeninodes |
speaking of poop/ed..., I am so, off to punch a kitten then bed |
| 06:54 |
tumeninodes |
night |
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| 11:26 |
Krock |
lumberJ, what happened to your server? |
| 11:27 |
Krock |
nvm. you have no voice. :3 |
| 11:32 |
lumberJ |
thanks, shivajiva |
| 11:32 |
shivajiva |
np :) |
| 12:04 |
nerzhul |
did you see the intel huge security shit & fix which decrease performance from 5 to 30 % ? |
| 12:05 |
nerzhul |
see my last tweets https://twitter.com/nrzkt |
| 12:05 |
nerzhul |
i have some interesting links about it |
| 12:06 |
nerzhul |
all CPU produced since 10 years are affected by this huge flaw, AWS & Azure are patching and restarting their whole cloud |
| 12:07 |
TommyTreasure |
another intel bug? different from the hidden os? |
| 12:07 |
nerzhul |
yes, a guest OS on an hypervisor or a userland program can access physical host kernel memory |
| 12:07 |
shivajiva |
time to sue Intel for supplying goods not fit for purpose |
| 12:08 |
TommyTreasure |
all this time i thought they built to m/s specs |
| 12:09 |
TommyTreasure |
guess i'll stick with my old amd boards for my cluster test |
| 12:11 |
nerzhul |
AMD actions increased , +7% |
| 12:15 |
TommyTreasure |
has anyone tried mtserver on a cluster? |
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| 12:30 |
nerzhul |
on a cluster ? TommyTreasure MT is not modular to be used on a cluster |
| 13:22 |
shivajiva |
*** Risk Assessment *** |
| 13:22 |
shivajiva |
Based on the analysis performed by this tool: This system is not vulnerable. It has already been patched. |
| 13:24 |
shivajiva |
I think that should also say and your system is now 5-30% slower! |
| 13:25 |
shivajiva |
where is my 30% refund??? |
| 13:30 |
Megaf |
Good morning folks |
| 13:40 |
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| 13:41 |
RobbieF |
Happy new year, all. |
| 13:42 |
roben1430 |
hello Megaf, RobbieF |
| 13:42 |
roben1430 |
(I'm benrob, from a different client) |
| 13:42 |
RobbieF |
hi roben1430 |
| 13:42 |
RobbieF |
ahhh |
| 13:43 |
RobbieF |
as if it's not hard enough for me to keep up :D |
| 13:43 |
RobbieF |
hehe |
| 13:48 |
TommyTreasure |
nerzhul, thanks. glad i found out before i started the project. |
| 13:49 |
shivajiva |
Hello everyone o/ |
| 13:54 |
roben1430 |
hi shivajiva |
| 13:57 |
RobbieF |
hey shiva |
| 13:58 |
Megaf |
nerzhul: well, I always hated Intel anyway |
| 14:02 |
Fixer |
oh, anyone knows addon for firefox that dumps any styles and just gives me black text on white background? aka reader, holy c... i don't need an addon.. |
| 14:02 |
rubenwardy |
why not reader view? |
| 14:02 |
Fixer |
found it |
| 14:02 |
Fixer |
reader mode is one of the very good additions, actually very useful |
| 14:04 |
Fixer |
roben1430: it is not just bridge, quassel can't do DCC file transfer, 8 years bug or so |
| 14:04 |
Fixer |
roben1430: and skype went tos hit |
| 14:06 |
Fixer |
50 shades of amber |
| 14:08 |
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| 14:09 |
roben1430 |
o/ EvergreenTree |
| 14:15 |
* roben1430 |
looks at ircv3 |
| 14:15 |
roben1430 |
>The chathistory batch type allows replaying message history. |
| 14:15 |
roben1430 |
OOOOooo |
| 14:16 |
rubenwardy |
I really think that IRC is the best chat room protocol, and needs some modernisation to make it better |
| 14:16 |
rubenwardy |
like message history and easier authentication |
| 14:16 |
rubenwardy |
although those are mostly up to clients |
| 14:18 |
Krock |
IRC is the future |
| 14:18 |
rubenwardy |
I personally don't like threads or avatars |
| 14:19 |
rubenwardy |
reactions would be cool :) |
| 14:23 |
Megaf |
IRC with SASL and SSL is just perfect |
| 14:23 |
Megaf |
We have all kinds of account control and channel control |
| 14:23 |
rubenwardy |
doesn't handle registration though |
| 14:23 |
Megaf |
and moderation |
| 14:23 |
Megaf |
nickserv does |
| 14:24 |
rubenwardy |
nickserv isn't easy for non-technical people |
| 14:24 |
rubenwardy |
it needs to be a form at the beginning with login / register / guest |
| 14:25 |
rubenwardy |
a lot of these things are client issues |
| 14:25 |
rubenwardy |
for example, IRCCloud is good at being non-technical |
| 14:25 |
rubenwardy |
whereas HexChat less so |
| 14:28 |
roben1430 |
a good IRCv3 client |
| 14:29 |
roben1430 |
plus Jitsi meet for voip |
| 14:29 |
roben1430 |
or CallServ :PP |
| 14:32 |
roben1430 |
Voice Over DCC When? |
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| 15:00 |
jas_ |
what is [off]? |
| 15:02 |
jas_ |
tyvm |
| 15:03 |
shivajiva |
lol |
| 15:03 |
jas_ |
lol |
| 15:04 |
shivajiva |
for example it stops irc bot broadcasting to mt server |
| 15:04 |
jas_ |
handy |
| 15:12 |
rubenwardy |
errr |
| 15:14 |
shivajiva |
? |
| 15:14 |
rubenwardy |
nvm |
| 15:25 |
red-F00 |
is [off] some standard freenode pushes fro? |
| 15:25 |
red-F00 |
for* |
| 15:26 |
red-F00 |
I do recall them having a page or something about logging that said you should give people a way to opt out |
| 15:29 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 15:32 |
benrob0329 |
its standard for our logger, and the IRC mod |
| 15:51 |
benrob0329 |
MarisaG: you'll need to login before you are voiced, then chanserv should autovoice you |
| 16:32 |
Fixer |
maximum eye bleed |
| 16:32 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: LOL |
| 16:33 |
benrob0329 |
no, its bad enough already :P |
| 16:33 |
benrob0329 |
had to fix the green 'cause people were complaining |
| 16:33 |
rubenwardy |
benrob0329, please may you change the background css from body { to html, body { |
| 16:34 |
rubenwardy |
I have some custom CSS which causes the background to go white |
| 16:34 |
rubenwardy |
without that |
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| 16:34 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: will do |
| 16:34 |
rubenwardy |
you can combine it with the rule set above, actually |
| 16:34 |
rubenwardy |
same selector |
| 16:35 |
rubenwardy |
looking cool though |
| 16:42 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: done |
| 16:42 |
rubenwardy |
cool, works |
| 16:43 |
rubenwardy |
I use a GTK dark theme, so need to have custom CSS in my firefox to stop everything going wrong |
| 16:43 |
rubenwardy |
as for some reason someone had the brilliant idea of making firefox render using the GTK theme |
| 16:44 |
benrob0329 |
pale moon :PP |
| 17:05 |
Fixer |
benrob0329: staying on ESR, until addons I need a ported |
| 17:05 |
Fixer |
are |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
Eric S. Raymond is Fixer's favorite browser |
| 17:06 |
Calinou |
:P |
| 17:07 |
Fixer |
waiting for flashgot and scrapbook |
| 17:07 |
Fixer |
when it is done -> will move to quantum |
| 17:08 |
benrob0329 |
i've moved away from FF because of Mozilla's new reputation |
| 17:08 |
Fixer |
you can also customize via css quantum interface to look almost FF classic |
| 17:08 |
Fixer |
even Seamonkey like |
| 17:08 |
Fixer |
i have seamonkey classic look |
| 17:08 |
Fixer |
i was impressed |
| 17:08 |
Calinou |
benrob0329: you don't want to hear about how Mr. Robot ends??? |
| 17:08 |
Calinou |
how scandalous! |
| 17:08 |
Calinou |
/s |
| 17:08 |
Fixer |
there is even hack for multitabs |
| 17:09 |
Fixer |
Calinou: nobody knows what it is... |
| 17:09 |
Calinou |
time for Chrome to bundle Rick & Morty spoilers |
| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
omg |
| 17:09 |
Fixer |
Calinou: i mean like, maybe few americans know it, but like 99% of world don't |
| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
Mr Robot season 3 came up a few months ago |
| 17:09 |
rubenwardy |
how do I miss these things |
| 17:10 |
Fixer |
i did not even watch that rick morty thing, nor mr robot, nor that thing with winter |
| 17:10 |
rubenwardy |
tbf |
| 17:10 |
rubenwardy |
you have to have a high IQ to watch rick and morty |
| 17:10 |
Calinou |
yeah |
| 17:10 |
Calinou |
also to play Minetest |
| 17:10 |
sofar |
lmao |
| 17:10 |
Fixer |
iirc, you can just skip last thing about winter and watch porno directly |
| 17:10 |
rubenwardy |
GoT doesn't have that much sex in it |
| 17:11 |
Calinou |
the bikeshedding is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of Lua modding most of the glitches will go over a typical player's head |
| 17:11 |
rubenwardy |
like, there's a lot compared to non-US TV |
| 17:11 |
rubenwardy |
but it's not like every episode |
| 17:11 |
Sokomine |
Calinou: at least ai made considerable progress in mt. with the aliveai mod, some types of players can be simulated almost perfectly :-) |
| 17:11 |
Fixer |
oh yes, i wanted to check that mod |
| 17:11 |
Calinou |
Sokomine: :) now we need simulated chat and we'll have Turing-complete mobile clients |
| 17:11 |
Fixer |
but i also have a suggestion for him |
| 17:11 |
rubenwardy |
Bojack Horseman is way better than R+M |
| 17:12 |
Fixer |
there is neat mod for MC, one sec |
| 17:12 |
Sokomine |
Calinou: no problem. the mod does provide chat :-) as i said: some types of players are simulated very very well :-) |
| 17:12 |
rubenwardy |
they're compared as the leads are both arseholes, and they're dark/non-PC at times |
| 17:12 |
Calinou |
they use Macs? |
| 17:12 |
* Calinou |
hides |
| 17:12 |
Fixer |
i have no idea what are you talking about |
| 17:13 |
Calinou |
my brother watches Rick & Morty on Netflix when he's at our home |
| 17:13 |
rubenwardy |
Bojack Horseman is one of my favourite TV shows https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BoJack_Horseman |
| 17:13 |
Fixer |
France has netflix? |
| 17:13 |
Calinou |
yep |
| 17:13 |
Calinou |
since a few years ago now |
| 17:13 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 17:13 |
Calinou |
my brother has a subscription (or he's part of a family plan with friends, I don't know) |
| 17:17 |
Fixer |
here is very funny mod: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZlVwSDx6-A |
| 17:17 |
Fixer |
i want this in minetest |
| 17:19 |
Fixer |
it is in beta though |
| 17:22 |
Fixer |
lol, it has funny bugs |
| 17:31 |
Fixer |
http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/mapping-and-modding-java-edition/minecraft-mods/2871995-meecreeps-a-mod-inspired-on-the-rick-morty-series |
| 17:37 |
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| 17:39 |
Sokomine |
what does the mod do, fixer? |
| 17:39 |
Sokomine |
watching a youtube video does take considerable more time than reading a short sentence in irc |
| 17:39 |
Fixer |
Sokomine: just read the link above |
| 17:40 |
Sokomine |
ah. perhaps won't understand it anyway as i have no idea what that rick-and-morty-series is about |
| 17:41 |
Fixer |
CHA_CHA |
| 17:42 |
rubenwardy |
Sokomine, in the series there is a creature that will do any task for you called a Meeseek |
| 17:43 |
Calinou |
will it rewrite Minetest to Rust? |
| 17:45 |
Fixer |
lol |
| 17:45 |
Fixer |
Go |
| 17:47 |
Fixer |
https://twitter.com/grsecurity/status/948170302286172160 |
| 17:47 |
Fixer |
wonder how this affects game performance |
| 17:48 |
Fixer |
https://www.postgresql.org/message-id/20180102222354.qikjmf7dvnjgbkxe@alap3.anarazel.de |
| 17:48 |
Calinou |
the Intel CPU bug doesn't affect gaming performance at all |
| 17:48 |
Calinou |
see Phoronix |
| 17:48 |
Calinou |
also, all modern CPUs have the PCID thing |
| 17:49 |
Calinou |
(since Westmere, which is 2009) |
| 17:51 |
Fixer |
"5% slowdown on average, with up to 30% for some particularly bad network operations." |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
hmm, just noticed Minetest has FPS dependency for water movement speed |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
(0.4.16) |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
at 400 FPS, movement in water becomes very slow, even in fast mode |
| 17:51 |
Calinou |
it's faster at lower FPS |
| 17:52 |
Fixer |
Calinou: nice |
| 17:52 |
Krock |
not nice |
| 17:52 |
Krock |
sounds like a bug |
| 17:53 |
Fixer |
Krock: nice bug |
| 17:54 |
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| 17:54 |
Fixer |
Calinou: imagine new AMD vs Intel benchmark shitstorm |
| 17:56 |
Fixer |
Calinou: funnily some sites already benchmarked Phenom for impact, and it had visible perf loss |
| 17:59 |
Fixer |
wait a sec |
| 17:59 |
Fixer |
those articles are from 2008 |
| 18:00 |
Fixer |
nevermind |
| 18:00 |
benrob0329 |
lol |
| 18:01 |
Fixer |
Calinou: yeah, games he tested are not affected, but some workloads do |
| 18:21 |
Calinou |
databases and virtualization, yes |
| 18:21 |
Calinou |
I foresee VPS providers quietly disabling the fix, and claiming they left it enabled :-) |
| 18:21 |
Calinou |
"we're the best at benchmarks" |
| 18:22 |
Fixer |
bestest |
| 18:22 |
Fixer |
FINEST CAPITALISM |
| 18:22 |
Fixer |
also, videocard price increases announced, holy ---- |
| 18:22 |
Calinou |
Mining Simulator 2018 |
| 18:23 |
red-F00 |
have details be released? |
| 18:23 |
red-F00 |
been* |
| 18:24 |
Fixer |
Calinou: alpha |
| 18:40 |
Fixer |
Forcefully Unmap Complete Kernel With Interrupt Trampolines |
| 18:50 |
Calinou |
raising elephants is so utterly boring |
| 18:58 |
benrob0329 |
I feel like we need a game that has enough depth to make the small things fun, but enough span so that the big picture doesnt get clobbered in the details |
| 19:22 |
benrob0329 |
brb |
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| 19:47 |
Fixer |
o_o |
| 19:53 |
red-F00 |
oh ok |
| 19:53 |
red-F00 |
I though it was some minor celebrity or something |
| 20:09 |
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| 20:20 |
red-F00 |
huh 126 prs closed |
| 20:20 |
red-F00 |
I remeber when I thought 10 prs closed was a lot |
| 20:21 |
rubenwardy |
what are you refering to? |
| 20:22 |
red-F00 |
just looked at the stats on the pull requests page for my github account |
| 20:22 |
rubenwardy |
ah |
| 20:22 |
* rubenwardy |
has 168 |
| 20:26 |
* Fixer |
|
| 20:32 |
Fixer |
JUST ONE MORE YEAR AND YOU WILL BE HAPPYYY |
| 20:37 |
red-F00 |
did you just sent an empty /me? |
| 20:38 |
red-F00 |
since that broke hexchat |
| 20:40 |
rubenwardy |
* Received a CTCP ACTION from Fixer (to #minetest-hub) |
| 20:40 |
rubenwardy |
wa |
| 20:41 |
Fixer |
yeah, i did |
| 20:41 |
Fixer |
is this a problem? |
| 20:41 |
Fixer |
red-F00: hexchat crashed? |
| 20:41 |
rubenwardy |
oh god |
| 20:41 |
rubenwardy |
sorry everyone |
| 20:41 |
Fixer |
? |
| 20:41 |
red-F00 |
yes I tit for tat if you version me |
| 20:42 |
Fixer |
what? |
| 20:42 |
rubenwardy |
-red-F00- skynet version 0.4.16-dev |
| 20:42 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 20:42 |
* Fixer |
|
| 20:42 |
Fixer |
Received unknown CTCP-WTF request |
| 20:42 |
Fixer |
wtf |
| 20:43 |
red-F00 |
ctcp is a protocol for querying information for other irc clients |
| 20:43 |
red-F00 |
from* |
| 20:43 |
rubenwardy |
client to client protocol |
| 20:44 |
rubenwardy |
? |
| 20:44 |
red-F00 |
it's not really client to client |
| 20:44 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 20:44 |
rubenwardy |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client-to-client_protocol |
| 20:44 |
red-F00 |
it's just a special /notice |
| 21:01 |
red-F00 |
honest question how is it I can update most stuff on linux without rebooting but windows needs to reboot all the time |
| 21:02 |
sfan5 |
that's mostly an artificial limitation to ensure that running processed that use old versions are left |
| 21:02 |
sfan5 |
that no running processes* |
| 21:16 |
Krock |
nore, red-F00, I feel triggered now |
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| 21:25 |
Fixer |
Krock: in what way? |
| 21:26 |
Fixer |
damned, maikerumine, moves/shuffles shitton of mods in extreme_survival, repo gets ridiculously fat at 200mb |
| 21:31 |
benrob0329 |
Fixer: kek |
| 21:35 |
Fixer |
anyone tried advtrains? |
| 21:35 |
rubenwardy |
yes |
| 21:35 |
rubenwardy |
it was buggy when I last tried, but there's been fixes |
| 21:36 |
rubenwardy |
tracks are annoying to place and the models are ugly |
| 21:36 |
rubenwardy |
mostly due to lighting and textures |
| 21:37 |
benrob0329 |
I should finish my steam locomotive model |
| 21:37 |
benrob0329 |
but that takes time |
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| 21:59 |
sofar |
anyone played with fsc yet? |
| 22:01 |
Calinou |
fsc? |
| 22:02 |
sofar |
github.com/sofar/fsc |
| 22:10 |
benrob0329 |
haven't done any real modding in a few days |
| 22:11 |
sofar |
I'm making good progress with my holiday project, I might release the code in a few days or so |
| 22:15 |
red-F00 |
sofar, are you planning to release the source code for the backend to inside the box? |
| 22:19 |
nore |
red-F00: there was an annoucement some time ago telling it would be released where there will be 100 community boxes IIRC :) |
| 22:20 |
sofar |
and I'll keep that promise |
| 22:20 |
sofar |
so yes |
| 22:20 |
sofar |
fwiw we've had like 5-6 people building hard for a few days |
| 22:20 |
sofar |
might go fast |
| 22:20 |
sofar |
we're approaching 60 I think |
| 22:21 |
sofar |
especially with the application of `fsc` everywhere in the code I think we're in really good shape security wise as well |
| 22:21 |
red-F00 |
did you add a way to save progress on a box? |
| 22:21 |
sofar |
no |
| 22:22 |
nore |
^ we probably won't do that |
| 22:22 |
nore |
it uses a lot of storage space, and might cause issues with mech and things like that |
| 22:23 |
red-F00 |
ik, it seems like a fun problem through figuring out the most compact way to store the state of a box |
| 22:27 |
nore |
the storage space is not the most important problem, the most important one is all the things that are triggered and you have to save in the current state |
| 22:27 |
nore |
would require a rewrite of mech |
| 22:27 |
sofar |
the size of a stored box is pretty small |
| 22:27 |
sofar |
lemme ... give me the number of a large one |
| 22:28 |
sofar |
118? |
| 22:28 |
sofar |
15K 118.box.gz |
| 22:29 |
sofar |
200k uncompressed :) |
| 22:31 |
sofar |
the total server takes up 55MB storage |
| 22:31 |
sofar |
and another 17 for the music I think |
| 22:32 |
sofar |
heck the entire db with every single box including unfinished boxes, is, 3.5M |
| 22:32 |
Fixer |
pff, thats nothing |
| 22:33 |
sofar |
yep, I'm fairly sure most server operators would be jealous of that |
| 22:33 |
rubenwardy |
a map on CTF is 450KB, uncompressed |
| 22:34 |
sofar |
map.sqlite? |
| 22:34 |
rubenwardy |
mts |
| 22:34 |
sofar |
ahh nice |
| 22:34 |
sofar |
yeah you should just minetest.compress that |
| 22:34 |
sofar |
of course if you use mts, it doesn't matter much |
| 22:34 |
rubenwardy |
the smallest map is 170KB and the largest is 450KB |
| 22:34 |
sfan5 |
the mts format includes compression |
| 22:34 |
rubenwardy |
you'd hope |
| 22:34 |
red-F00 |
rubenwardy, huh do you use the dummy backend for CTF? |
| 22:34 |
rubenwardy |
the smallest map is mostly default:stone which is why it's the smallest in size |
| 22:35 |
rubenwardy |
red-F00, yes |
| 22:35 |
nore |
hmmm, we're using our own format for itb |
| 22:35 |
sfan5 |
it's pretty much the mapblock format minus everything that doesn't belong to a schematic |
| 22:35 |
Fixer |
*,,,,,* |
| 22:35 |
rubenwardy |
Maps in the new CTF are two files |
| 22:35 |
rubenwardy |
a MTS file, and a conf file |
| 22:35 |
nore |
what does the conf file contain? |
| 22:35 |
rubenwardy |
https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/blob/multimap/mods/ctf_map/maps/01_two_hills.conf |
| 22:35 |
sofar |
size, spawn locations? |
| 22:36 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, see link |
| 22:36 |
sofar |
h & r? |
| 22:36 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: tried to play CTF the other day |
| 22:36 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: what is odd about your CTF, it is nonsymmetrical map |
| 22:36 |
rubenwardy |
it's roughly symmetrical, which is good enough |
| 22:36 |
benrob0329 |
half my team couldn't speak English, and the other half kept mining through the walls |
| 22:36 |
rubenwardy |
it's from V7 |
| 22:37 |
rubenwardy |
lol! |
| 22:37 |
rubenwardy |
hopefully there will be less of that now we have doors |
| 22:37 |
Fixer |
m i n i n g |
| 22:37 |
rubenwardy |
*team doors |
| 22:37 |
rubenwardy |
also, really good players can skip the user limit |
| 22:37 |
nore |
hmmm, our format contains the data for the map (including metadata) |
| 22:37 |
nore |
and there is a seperate json for the metadata |
| 22:38 |
rubenwardy |
the maps are about 130^3, so I want it to place as fast as possible |
| 22:38 |
rubenwardy |
hence MTS |
| 22:38 |
sofar |
vmanip placement? |
| 22:38 |
rubenwardy |
slower than MTS |
| 22:39 |
sofar |
interesting |
| 22:39 |
rubenwardy |
as there's Lua <-> C++ communication needed |
| 22:39 |
sofar |
didn't think of that |
| 22:39 |
nore |
hmmm, once we get the ffi lua api, I'm going to try with it |
| 22:39 |
sfan5 |
sofar: there's a function to place an mts onto the map |
| 22:39 |
sofar |
of course, itb maps are much more complex |
| 22:39 |
sfan5 |
no vmanip involved |
| 22:39 |
nore |
with some luck, will be faster :) |
| 22:39 |
sfan5 |
(at least not from lua) |
| 22:39 |
sofar |
lots of meta needed |
| 22:40 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: I don't think i've been so frustrated at my own teamates in my life |
| 22:40 |
nore |
hmmm, we don't have a ffi meta api |
| 22:40 |
nore |
might be interesting to code that sometime as well |
| 22:40 |
benrob0329 |
I also don't think half of them will know what a door is to use it |
| 22:40 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 22:40 |
sofar |
anyway, itb doesn't need very large maps. 40^3 turns out to be too large for most builders already |
| 22:41 |
rubenwardy |
I'm not sure how to automate player quality control |
| 22:41 |
sfan5 |
just ban all mobile users :^) |
| 22:41 |
rubenwardy |
there's afkkick and features limited to good players already |
| 22:41 |
rubenwardy |
lol |
| 22:41 |
red-F00 |
I think adding some time critial stuff to an ffi could reduce the number of people that want a c++ ABI |
| 22:41 |
nore |
^ +1 |
| 22:41 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 22:41 |
sofar |
I have like... 0 mobile players on ITB |
| 22:41 |
sofar |
secret? 15mb of music ogg files |
| 22:41 |
* red-F00 |
takes out a phone |
| 22:41 |
rubenwardy |
some of the better players are mobile players |
| 22:41 |
sofar |
it's not like they don't try |
| 22:42 |
rubenwardy |
but most are truly awful |
| 22:42 |
nore |
some players were able to connect |
| 22:42 |
sofar |
I get 10-20 multicraft connections a day |
| 22:42 |
nore |
but none of them went past the tutorial |
| 22:42 |
sofar |
media server logs them all |
| 22:42 |
nore |
(parkour is too hard on a phone, it seems) |
| 22:42 |
red-F00 |
the server list is just unuseable on a phone |
| 22:44 |
rubenwardy |
I'm wondering how to automatically check if a user is destroying the base, rather than rebuilding |
| 22:44 |
red-F00 |
huh thats something it just hung at 23% |
| 22:44 |
rubenwardy |
heh |
| 22:44 |
rubenwardy |
just need moderators on 24/7 |
| 22:45 |
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| 22:46 |
red-F00 |
rubenwardy, put an ad on craigslist and say you will pay them in exposure and experience |
| 22:46 |
* sofar |
spots red-F00 in http logs |
| 22:46 |
red-F00 |
my phone didn't take that well |
| 22:46 |
sofar |
I wonder if it spams all the http requests at once, and then dies retrieving them |
| 22:47 |
sofar |
sfan5: is there any rate limiting to curl requests? or a thread for each? |
| 22:47 |
red-F00 |
seems like a bit of a bug then |
| 22:47 |
sfan5 |
there's a few (4?) httpfetch threads that handle requests given to them |
| 22:47 |
sfan5 |
but nope, no ratelimiting |
| 22:48 |
red-F00 |
now it locked up at 0% |
| 22:48 |
sofar |
either that or you downloaded 2mb within a second, possible, though |
| 22:48 |
sofar |
seems you got all the media properly then |
| 22:48 |
benrob0329 |
rubenwardy: your current anti-mobile nick check is ah...*cough* |
| 22:48 |
sofar |
no second connection to mtmediasrv |
| 22:49 |
red-F00 |
I don't have a lot of ram in my phone maybe thats the issue |
| 22:49 |
sofar |
maybe the skybox textures are the problem |
| 22:49 |
red-F00 |
only 1gb |
| 22:49 |
sofar |
but, I don't think you're even at that point yet |
| 22:49 |
red-F00 |
let me kill of background processes |
| 22:50 |
sofar |
# journalctl -u mtmediasrv.service |grep MultiCraft|wc -l |
| 22:50 |
sofar |
130 |
| 22:50 |
sofar |
# journalctl -u mtmediasrv.service |grep Minetest|wc -l |
| 22:50 |
sofar |
51 |
| 22:50 |
sofar |
typical |
| 22:50 |
rubenwardy |
benrob0329, I'll make an account for you |
| 22:50 |
red-F00 |
I wonder is benrob on that list of nicks |
| 22:52 |
Fixer |
sofar: lol, 28% of minetest |
| 22:52 |
Fixer |
sofar: i wonder how long are play times for both? |
| 22:52 |
sofar |
well effectively no significant amt of multicraft players makes it onto the server |
| 22:53 |
sofar |
so, there's no data to compare |
| 22:53 |
Fixer |
sofar: they can't even login? |
| 22:53 |
sofar |
they don't complete login, nope |
| 22:53 |
Fixer |
sofar: intended? |
| 22:53 |
red-F00 |
oh we have the issue seems something was using up all the memory |
| 22:53 |
rubenwardy |
for me, it's 6140 Multicraft |
| 22:53 |
rubenwardy |
13246 Minetest |
| 22:53 |
rubenwardy |
ah |
| 22:54 |
rubenwardy |
that's nonunique |
| 22:54 |
Fixer |
sofar: or low memory? |
| 22:54 |
rubenwardy |
grep '"Minetest/' access.log |
| 22:54 |
sofar |
Fixer: I don't see it as a problem - tablets & parkours don't really mix anyway |
| 22:54 |
Fixer |
sofar: are you blocking them? |
| 22:54 |
sofar |
no |
| 22:54 |
Fixer |
ok |
| 22:54 |
red-F00 |
still nothing I guess I just don't have enough mem |
| 22:54 |
sofar |
I've logged on just fine with the official android client on my phone |
| 22:55 |
sofar |
never used multicraft though |
| 22:55 |
rubenwardy |
for just index.mth, it's 105 for MT and 26 for MC |
| 22:55 |
rubenwardy |
this is since 5am today |
| 22:55 |
rubenwardy |
UTC |
| 22:55 |
Fixer |
sofar: how much ram? |
| 22:55 |
rubenwardy |
oh, odd Stonecraft/1.2.4-alpha (Windows/6.1-Service_Pack_1 x86_64) |
| 22:55 |
red-F00 |
^ |
| 22:56 |
red-F00 |
thats some guy on itch.io |
| 22:56 |
sofar |
Fixer: 2gb (google nexus 5) |
| 22:56 |
Fixer |
oh lol |
| 22:56 |
sofar |
4 year old phone, lol |
| 22:56 |
Fixer |
sofar: and they are probably running on smth like 256mb ram |
| 22:56 |
sofar |
likely |
| 22:57 |
Fixer |
sofar: my 6 year old one is just 256 mb |
| 22:57 |
red-F00 |
https://mrcerealguy.itch.io/stonecraft |
| 22:58 |
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| 23:03 |
red-F00 |
is there an offical version of minetest on the amazon app store? |
| 23:03 |
rubenwardy |
no |
| 23:03 |
Calinou |
nope |
| 23:04 |
Calinou |
(giving a longer answer, for posterity) |
| 23:04 |
red-F00 |
oh stonecraft updated to 0.5-dev |
| 23:05 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: the lua - c++ communication does indeed cost time. it used to be a significant factor back when i did performance tests for mg_villages |
| 23:05 |
rubenwardy |
did you use LVM then? |
| 23:08 |
red-F00 |
not mirc |
| 23:08 |
red-F00 |
hexchat has lua script but apperently Fixer confuses it |
| 23:08 |
Calinou |
Quassel |
| 23:08 |
Calinou |
(no scripting) |
| 23:09 |
Sokomine |
rubenwardy: yes, mg_villages uses lvm |
| 23:10 |
benrob0329 |
Quassel has broken DCC though |
| 23:10 |
red-F00 |
DCC is dead |
| 23:11 |
rubenwardy |
isn't Hexchat python? |
| 23:11 |
red-F00 |
it's both |
| 23:11 |
red-F00 |
and some 3 langauge I think |
| 23:12 |
benrob0329 |
DCC could be handy since IRC doesnt have any other way to establish a p2p connection afaik |
| 23:12 |
benrob0329 |
although you could potentially stream base64 over normal messages |
| 23:12 |
sofar |
you can disable perl/python/lua support in hexchat |
| 23:13 |
red-F00 |
yeah but no-one uses dcc anyone |
| 23:13 |
red-F00 |
anymore* |
| 23:16 |
red-F00 |
and it's broke for a lot of people |
| 23:16 |
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| 23:16 |
red-F00 |
* DCC RECV 'Screenshot_2018-01-02_22-15-15.png' from rubenwardy failed (Remote host closed socket) |
| 23:16 |
rubenwardy |
loool |
| 23:16 |
rubenwardy |
says "waiting" for me |
| 23:16 |
* roben1430 |
logs in from desktop |
| 23:16 |
red-F00 |
might be the bnc messing up |
| 23:16 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 23:17 |
roben1430 |
bnc tends to do that |
| 23:17 |
rubenwardy |
I'm connected to my ZNC instance over a VPN |
| 23:17 |
roben1430 |
I'll take a random screenshot :P |
| 23:17 |
rubenwardy |
so there's lots that can go wrong |
| 23:24 |
* roben1430 |
sets font to Noto Mono 10 |
| 23:36 |
sfan5 |
tip of the day: DCC never works |
