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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> just going to mention https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+scancodes+ here |
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[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> +1 |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> just dropping in to say see https://newdev.luanti.org/ powered by https://github.com/wsor4035/devwiki - polishing off/finishing up content cleaning/filling in |
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Krock |
@wsor4035 How does that thing work? >> Error: Unable to locate config file or config directory. Perhaps you need to create a new site. Run `hugo help new` for details. |
| 19:46 |
Krock |
well whatever. there's already a live preview which is good |
| 19:46 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> assuming you have the extended hugo installed, following quickstart, hugo server |
| 19:47 |
Krock |
just installed the "hugo" package and expected it to work out of the box. It's not so simple, I suppose. |
| 19:48 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> you are in the cloned directory? that error sounds like your not |
| 19:51 |
Krock |
I am. It's probably just a very old version from the distro repo (0.92.2) which doesn't yet work as documented online |
| 20:14 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> cross posting to here, if people could poke around https://newdev.luanti.org/, its in theory done |
| 20:15 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> for dead links/errors, that sort of thing. dont care about content assuming it matches live now |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> . s/matches/is similar |
| 20:16 |
Krock |
I wonder whether ruben's modding book could substitute some of that content |
| 20:16 |
Krock |
for API in specific |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> probably. the point is to get it converted and then open season on content changes |
| 20:16 |
Krock |
oh! It's really just the dev wiki. my bad. So that's definitely separate. |
| 20:17 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> if all goes well, ill probably do the regular wiki next |
| 20:18 |
Krock |
I am rather sceptical of this workflow. Editing pages in the current Wiki is mostly painless whereas you'd need to commit and open a PR here |
| 20:18 |
Krock |
You'd eventually get higher quality documentation, but on the other side, it'll be sparse if not outdated. |
| 20:19 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> so, its painless aside from the completely minor issue of its near impossible to get wiki accounts, the wiki is slow in general, etc |
| 20:19 |
Krock |
There's also a few markdown files in the minetest/minetest repo which document the direction and a few other things, which might have the same issue. |
| 20:19 |
Krock |
you only need to get the account once, though 8) |
| 20:20 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> as for quality of content, in both wikis is generally outdated and terrible |
| 20:22 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Krock: Why would the workflow include mandatory PRs? |
| 20:22 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> I'd say for obvious things we could just directly edit. |
| 20:22 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> 👆 this |
| 20:23 |
Krock |
@luatic So contributors would get write access to the repository? |
| 20:23 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> I would suppose so, yes. Basically using the repo as a wiki if you want to see it that way. |
| 20:23 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> the plan is to transfer the repo to the org if you didnt see that previously |
| 20:24 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> with the web interface, you dont even have to clone the repo. basically like using the current wiki |
| 20:24 |
Krock |
hmm yes. I suppose normal contributors shouldn't have access to the dev wiki. The story would be different for the normal wiki. |
| 20:25 |
Krock |
s/access/easy write access/ |
| 20:25 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> there is a chance they might merge in the future |
| 20:25 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> im to lazy to link the previous discussions |
| 20:26 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> the dev wiki will probably only be edited by core devs, triagers, maybe doc team folks? |
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celeron55 |
i think this is good for the dev wiki which contains information written by developers, targeted at developers |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> i mainly did this since c55 gave the go ahead and wants it off his hands |
| 20:26 |
celeron55 |
the "regular" wiki isn't so straightforward |
| 20:26 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> the dev wiki is supposed to have information by and for modders too, no? |
| 20:27 |
celeron55 |
it was mostly retired from that function already |
| 20:27 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> uhhh |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> the regular wiki has basically one contributor. wuzzy, and occasionally myself and roller |
| 20:27 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> i'm not sure we should mix the "core dev" wiki and modder resources / wikis |
| 20:27 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> well it is already mixed, so where should we throw that stuff? |
| 20:28 |
Krock |
I see. Zughy removed some API documentation pages which I remembered existing there |
| 20:28 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> would it be a tragic loss if it went into the trashbin? |
| 20:28 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> uh yeah? |
| 20:28 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> if you want to rehash/bike shed the two wikis/mergine/whatever debate again. feel free. i just care about getting the dev wiki converted and live |
| 20:29 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> currently |
| 20:29 |
celeron55 |
it's possible that there needs to be a place for miscellaneous articles about modding |
| 20:29 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> it is the only entrypoint for modders that isn't in the minetest/minetest repo |
| 20:29 |
celeron55 |
and it's possible we want to create a new place for those |
| 20:29 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> anyways minetest_docs was supposed to be the place for modder-centric docs |
| 20:29 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> and minetest_docs is dead |
| 20:29 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> yes |
| 20:29 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> and then I made my own wiki with modder-centric docs |
| 20:29 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> we can mix the two graves and make it a mass grave |
| 20:30 |
celeron55 |
but i'm going to use this domain change as means to force myself out of having to host the devwiki |
| 20:30 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> https://wiki.luanti.org/Database_backends this article is probably the one i send people to the most on the regular wiki |
| 20:31 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> but now that the dev wiki is becoming appetising for readers and contributors, I had thought I could contribute some of that back |
| 20:31 |
Krock |
the Dummy backend speed should be "insanely fast" Â 8) |
| 20:31 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> well actually, it needs to generate the mapgen every time 8) |
| 20:31 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> krock, feel free to wait the insanely long time to edit and publish that change 😛 |
| 20:33 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> anyways, if you would, please poke around the site, and send me any errors/bugs/whatever you find (https://newdev.luanti.org/) |
| 20:33 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> RE Krock: "Zughy removed some API documentation pages which I remembered existing there" I've never deleted one single page as far as I remember |
| 20:34 |
Krock |
Zughy: here's one of the 0 pages: https://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=minetest.get_player_radius_area&action=edit&redlink=1 |
| 20:35 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> the reason those were deleted was because they were redundant with the documentation that was in lua_api.md |
| 20:35 |
Krock |
(it wasn't important at all) |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> and they where outdated/wrong as well |
| 20:35 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> oh maybe when ruben and I deleted some redundant pages like a couple of years ago |
| 20:36 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> 2022 |
| 20:36 |
Krock |
almost yesterday |
| 20:37 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> what I see would be useful for modder documentation on the dev wiki would be articles that don't repeat what is in the lua_api.md but give more information than what is in lua_api.md. it is a dry API reference document and doesn't give much more than that |
| 20:38 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> that was what minetest docs was supposed to be |
| 20:38 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> yeah. that was what minetest_docs was supposed to be. and then it turned into "let's rewrite lua_api.md" and then it died |
| 20:38 |
Krock |
it would be a nice place to have examples. The lua_api.md file is getting out of hand slowly. |
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MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> i might keep giving that jolts of life when im done with the wiki |
| 20:41 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Wait long enough and most open source LLMs will be able to write those examples, sadly |
| 20:44 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> sure, when there not busy telling you that your text length 300 characters is actually 250 characters (yes, i had to deal with someone believing this) |
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MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> I am excited/horrified for AI powered strlen |
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