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sfan5 |
std::hash<std::remove_const_t<decltype(it.first)>>{}(it.first) |
| 17:20 |
sfan5 |
somehow it feels stuff shouldn't be so complicated |
| 17:23 |
Krock |
depends on what you'd like to achieve. A naive approach might be more readable. |
| 17:37 |
sfan5 |
it's just debug code but it's a bit surprising you can't just invoke std::hash without specifying the template type |
| 17:39 |
Krock |
it's probably generic enough to get confused between notations if it's not nailed down |
| 17:44 |
Krock |
Meeting in 15 minutes, apparently. |
| 17:45 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> o/ |
| 17:46 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Krock: I would have guessed that the problem is that it isn't specialized for const types |
| 17:56 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Though I think C++ doesn't really have good template argument deduction for anything that isn't a function at all? |
| 18:00 |
Krock |
Meeting start. Pinging those who reacted. v-rob @v-rob Zughy @luatic |
| 18:00 |
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| 18:00 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> also @cx384 |
| 18:00 |
Krock |
oops. yes. |
| 18:01 |
Krock |
> #15322 |
| 18:01 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/15322 -- Minetest → Luanti rename checklist |
| 18:01 |
Krock |
> Finish renaming Minetest -> Luanti |
| 18:01 |
Krock |
There's not much that we could do there. That's mostly administrative work |
| 18:02 |
Krock |
i.e. for c55 or people who've got more access than regular developers |
| 18:04 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> On that list, I think there are roughly 3 things for core devs to think about: |
| 18:05 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> 1. Do we want to rename/migrate/move the GitHub repo/org? (low priority but we should consider it) |
| 18:05 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> 2. What do we do about the PPA? Add a new luantidevs one? Publish a new luanti package on the minetestdevs one? |
| 18:06 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> 3. We also should do the grunt work of resubmitting on Flathub and doing an EoL rebase eventually |
| 18:06 |
Krock |
for 1. it would make sense for me but I have no urgent need to have that changed. 2. is best solved with a transitional package (still "minetest" but with luanti as a dependency) |
| 18:07 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> I believe (2) is solved the other way around: Have a new luanti package which "provides" minetest. |
| 18:07 |
Krock |
hmm |
| 18:08 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> Sorry, here I am |
| 18:09 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> About that point I mailed c55 ~10 days ago kindly asking if he could tackle the points we have no control about, but I received no answer.. |
| 18:10 |
celeron55 |
wait what |
| 18:10 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> bonjour |
| 18:10 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> November 25 celeron55 |
| 18:10 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> something went to someone's spam folder i'm guessing ;) |
| 18:16 |
celeron55 |
oh yeah it was just a reference to the discussion thread |
| 18:17 |
celeron55 |
...i mean the issue |
| 18:22 |
Krock |
If someone's willing to take care of the Flatpak or PPA topics, that would be great. It's not like we're in a hurry. |
| 18:22 |
Krock |
Are there any issues or PRs that you'd like to discuss? (in general) |
| 18:25 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> yes |
| 18:27 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> as for the flatpak, i might do it (i already looked into it a bit), but i can't guarantee i'll have the time. i'm too unsure to do anything about the PPA tbh. |
| 18:28 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> i'm wondering what we're doing about physics |
| 18:29 |
Krock |
I had in mind to re-test that Soon (TM) |
| 18:29 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> ah, just saw kno10 dropped the acceleration-based formulae as well. good, i was worried for a bit there because i had hit a bit of a dead end. |
| 18:29 |
Krock |
It's not so good because it'll be imperfect by definition. But at this point I suppose it's good enough to go in small steps |
| 18:30 |
Krock |
(i.e. iterative steps towards a hopefully better working collision engine) |
| 18:30 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Krock: I know, but the acceleration-based formulae are a mess. If you try to be accurate, a lot can happen. It probably also hurts performance significantly. |
| 18:33 |
Krock |
sqrt is not efficient. I know that. Perhaps we can somehow find a solution to calculate the dtime steps more accurately |
| 18:33 |
Krock |
(beforehand, rather than for each colliding face) |
| 18:33 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> Yeah I think ultimately running the physics at a higher rate, but still with a linear interpolation, will be the way to go |
| 18:36 |
Krock |
if it works reasonably precise, then we might be able to increase the step size. I believe that's currently set to very low to catch such edge-cases. |
| 18:36 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> celeron55: "This obviously means someone has to configure the github pages for each accordingly" - it seems possible that that someone would have to be you again though I'm not sure 😬 |
| 18:36 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> I do not have access to the repository settings as far as I know |
| 18:36 |
celeron55 |
for github pages, it's the file called CNAME |
| 18:37 |
celeron55 |
i don't think that has any special authorization. it's just a file in the repo |
| 18:37 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> aha, thanks |
| 18:38 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> okay so I'll just edit that to blog.luanti.org and see what happens |
| 18:38 |
celeron55 |
i imagine that will work for the blog |
| 18:38 |
celeron55 |
as for api.minetest.net... i have no idea how that thing works |
| 18:39 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> yay seems to have worked! https://blog.luanti.org/ |
| 18:39 |
rubenwardy |
https://blog.minetest.net/ is now broken |
| 18:39 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> however https://blog.minetest.net/ does not work anymore |
| 18:40 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> i thought that ought to redirect to blog.luanti.org hrm |
| 18:40 |
celeron55 |
yeah i need to do that now |
| 18:41 |
celeron55 |
good thing that i didn't really prepare to do it |
| 18:41 |
celeron55 |
8) |
| 18:43 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> I think api.minetest.net is coming from GitLab pages actually |
| 18:43 |
celeron55 |
just a moment |
| 18:44 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> or wait maybe that was fake news |
| 18:44 |
celeron55 |
uh... the dns record for api.minetest.net is CNAME minetest.github.io, though |
| 18:45 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> "The CNAME file can contain only one domain. To point multiple domains to your site, you must set up a redirect through your DNS provider." |
| 18:45 |
rubenwardy |
It's GitHub pages as well, built using an action. I believe you change the domain in the GitHub pages settings |
| 18:45 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> yeah that's one way to do it, but we can just edit the CNAME file in the minetest repo as well |
| 18:46 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> as i just learned ;) |
| 18:46 |
rubenwardy |
If there is one |
| 18:46 |
rubenwardy |
Which there is, so do that |
| 18:46 |
celeron55 |
https://blog.minetest.net/ will now redirect to https://blog.luanti.org/ as soon as the viewer's DNS updates |
| 18:46 |
rubenwardy |
I thought the confusion was over there not being a cname file |
| 18:46 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> (I was misled into thinking that it was GitLab pages because if you go on GitLab and then follow the link labeled "GitLab pages", it brings you to api.minetest.net) |
| 18:47 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> I think api.minetest.net was GitLab in the past? |
| 18:47 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> okay so i'll just edit the CNAME file in the minetest repo to api.luanti.org as well |
| 18:48 |
celeron55 |
"I believe you change the domain in the GitHub pages settings" <- where is "GitHub pages settings"?" |
| 18:48 |
celeron55 |
-" |
| 18:48 |
celeron55 |
ah so it's in the main repo |
| 18:49 |
ROllerozxa |
the CNAME file turned out to actually not be used when github pages deploys using github actions |
| 18:49 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> huh where does it get the domain from then |
| 18:49 |
celeron55 |
well i'd love to change it then, if i knew where it is |
| 18:49 |
celeron55 |
or someone else |
| 18:50 |
celeron55 |
i'll set up the redirect for this now |
| 18:50 |
ROllerozxa |
minetest/minetest -> settings -> pages -> custom domain |
| 18:50 |
ROllerozxa |
it's quite weird honestly, normally when it's just deploying without actions it will sync CNAME with the repo |
| 18:50 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> huh i thought that was just another way of editing that file |
| 18:50 |
ROllerozxa |
yeah that's how it behaves if you don't deploy with actions |
| 18:51 |
ROllerozxa |
(i.e. with legacy jekyll or just pushing static files) |
| 18:51 |
ROllerozxa |
so the CNAME file in minetest/minetest could be deleted altogether |
| 18:52 |
celeron55 |
i now set that custom domain setting |
| 18:52 |
ROllerozxa |
awesome |
| 18:53 |
ROllerozxa |
yeah now api.minetest.net redirects to api.luanti.org and it works for me |
| 18:56 |
celeron55 |
i'm setting up these redirects to work so that the dns points to the server that runs the forum and wikis and its main nginx is configured with ssl, acme and a 301 redirect for each |
| 18:56 |
celeron55 |
seems like the only reasonable way to do it |
| 18:58 |
celeron55 |
well, if i was using cloudflare or something, then this would be done there, but as long as this is the closest thing to the internet that i have, then this is the way i have to do it |
| 19:05 |
[MatrxMT] |
<y5nw> It seems like dev.luanti.org does not redirect yet? |
| 19:05 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> hmm http://api.luanti.org/ gives me "there isn't a github pages site here" |
| 19:08 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> it exists for me |
| 19:08 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> probably caching |
| 19:08 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> try doing ctrl+f5 |
| 19:09 |
MTDiscord |
<rollerozxa> (github pages can cache things quite aggressively) |
| 19:09 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> alternatively alt f4 for maxium enjoyment |
| 19:09 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> i did try all of that |
| 19:09 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> no dice so far |
| 19:10 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> assuming you have another browser on your machine, try it |
| 19:10 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> same issue on chrome |
| 19:11 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> well whatever, since it works for you i'll try again tomorrow and chalk it up to DNS weirdness if it works then |
| 19:11 |
Krock |
will merge #15415, #15495 and #15486 in 15 minutes. My new main menu PR can surely wait a little so that people get the chance to comment on it. |
| 19:11 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/15415 -- Add `core.spawn_tree_on_vmanip` by cx384 |
| 19:11 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/15495 -- [NO SQUASH] Mapgen: Fix Y biome boundary regression by SmallJoker |
| 19:11 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/15486 -- Adopt #13446 server favorite button by siliconsniffer |
| 19:14 |
MTDiscord |
<siliconsniffer> Haven't tested it extensively but does as promised. |
| 19:17 |
sfan5 |
testing welcome for #15531 |
| 19:17 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/15531 -- [no squash] Group sparse mesh buffers over entire scene for rendering by sfan5 |
| 19:18 |
Krock |
how to test: you could upload a minimal world configuration to compare before/after. Also server spawn points can be interesting. |
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| 19:22 |
Krock |
^ also the variables in clientmap.cpp could benefit from some renaming. it's not entirely clear what they're supposed to do |
| 19:24 |
sfan5 |
the code is not production-quality (yet) |
| 19:25 |
Krock |
merging the PRs.... |
| 19:28 |
sfan5 |
https://gdcvault.com/play/1020791/ this task is supposedly good |
| 19:28 |
Krock |
done |
| 19:28 |
sfan5 |
talk* |
| 19:29 |
celeron55 |
@y5nw yes, i didn't touch devwiki yet. it's not up to date anyway. very low priority |
| 19:29 |
celeron55 |
everyone is trying to drop it as fast as they can |
| 19:30 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> checked off api.minetest.net since thats done now |
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| 19:36 |
Desour |
sfan5: std::pair has a second_type member type, fyi, no need for the decltype :) |
| 19:45 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> RE "everyone is trying to drop it as fast as they can": what do you mean celeron55? |
| 19:50 |
celeron55 |
mostly just that it's not a recommended source anymore, and it's not being edited anymore |
| 19:51 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> can we get rid of it, saving just a couple pages? 👀 |
| 19:51 |
celeron55 |
www.luanti.org does link to the "modding intro" page still though |
| 19:51 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> forum.luanti.org dead |
| 19:52 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> took forever as usual, but loads for me |
| 19:52 |
celeron55 |
which means, the official process of introducing people to the modding api probably needs to be looked at |
| 19:53 |
celeron55 |
there obviously needs to be a portal where people can easily begin, and... do we not have anything better than this yet? https://dev.minetest.net/Modding_Intro |
| 19:54 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> just take the content from that, and make it a subpage of luanti.org perhaps? |
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| 19:56 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> or move it over to main wiki |
| 19:56 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> celeron55: food for thoughts about the two wikis: https://forum.luanti.org/viewtopic.php?t=31080 |
| 19:57 |
Krock |
Why do you want to change everything? |
| 19:57 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> My role is to keep things in order |
| 19:57 |
[MatrxMT] |
<y5nw> celeron55: I was thinking more about the dev wiki in terms of a place for explaining/documenting the development process, since that's (I recall) the only place I found (IMO useful) information when you asked me about becoming a coredev |
| 19:58 |
Krock |
> To avoid seeing all the previous discussions disappear, an "Archive" section can be added |
| 19:58 |
rubenwardy |
https://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&hideredirects=1 |
| 19:58 |
Krock |
I'd consider this as a mess |
| 19:59 |
rubenwardy |
a section contains multiple sub forums, he's not suggesting merging into a singhle forum |
| 20:00 |
rubenwardy |
example being "General" and "User-contributed content" |
| 20:00 |
celeron55 |
@y5nw yes, that's the only real use for it at the moment and it will exist for that until it's no longer necessary for that |
| 20:00 |
[MatrxMT] |
<Zughy> (I linked it mostly for the wikis, but if you want to comment everything please do 👀) |
| 20:00 |
celeron55 |
@y5nw that purpose could easily be replaced by a git repo with the same content, though |
| 20:01 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> c55: so if i convert the dev wiki to git+markdown, it would be accepted to transfer it into the org+point domain at it? |
| 20:03 |
celeron55 |
yes please. i hate having to drag the devwiki around |
| 20:04 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> ok, will work on that |
| 20:05 |
ROllerozxa |
I guess it should be decided what the devwiki should be too |
| 20:06 |
ROllerozxa |
is it only for the C++ engine and associated documentation or for modders too |
| 20:06 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> fair disclousure, im ignoring anything like https://dev.minetest.net/InvRef that is already marked for deletion |
| 20:06 |
ROllerozxa |
yeah any stubs and other such crap should be ignored |
| 20:06 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> roller: just going to focus one getting stuff converted as a first step |
| 20:06 |
ROllerozxa |
sure |
| 20:08 |
celeron55 |
only the pages that are providing extra insight over what's on api.luanti.org should be saved |
| 20:10 |
Desour |
@wsor: here's a markdowned part: #12749 |
| 20:10 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12749 -- Move code style guidelines into repo by Desour |
| 20:12 |
celeron55 |
i agree with Zughy that overall there's a lot of pruning to do and things need to be re-concentrated to a reasonable extent. basically cut off the dead branches and point links to the healthy ones |
| 20:17 |
MTDiscord |
<luatic> okay api.luanti.org works for me now 🎉 |
| 20:18 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> devwiki progress is being worked on here: https://github.com/wsor4035/devwiki |
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