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[MTMatrix] |
<Primo Kidd> Whats the file in minetest repo that is able the read the server(or the world) that makes the game playable |
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| 17:06 |
celeron55 |
"that makes the game playable" doesn't make a lot of sense. i'll ask the classic tech support counter question: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:06 |
Krock |
@Primo Kidd I'd say that 50% of the entire code is responsible for that. The other is for Lua API bindings and main menu |
| 17:07 |
Krock |
I suppose you're trying to fix a printer |
| 18:00 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> Woah woah, the Lua mapgen thing is a HUGE feature for modders. Actually useable Lua mapgen is a game changer for me. Kinda hard to run a server of any kind when your main thread locks up Everytime you load a new mapblock |
| 18:01 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> And yeah, at least 5.10 will have some* cool new stuff. |
| 18:07 |
MTDiscord |
<exe_virus> I'm actually excited for this year's game jam;) |
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| 18:12 |
[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> why? There is not much new you can do compared to previous versions if 5.10 isn't released before the jam |
| 18:44 |
Krock |
it might be time to go through the 5.9.0 milestone the next few days to see what we'd like to fix before release |
| 18:45 |
Krock |
so far it does not appear that there's any blocker |
| 19:12 |
[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> Thanks for ignoring my 5.10 messages from yesterday..? I'm sorry but this is not how things should be handled - with silence. I guess that I should stomp my feet (yet again) as heck did a few days ago to be considered? Have some respect for the time I spent motivating why I think it's a bad idea |
| 19:15 |
Krock |
checking logs ... |
| 19:20 |
Krock |
@Zughy What exactly were you asking for? |
| 19:21 |
Krock |
as for #13987 - that's too late considering that we're already in feature freeze |
| 19:21 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13987 -- [pls do not squash :3] Allow limiting object observers by appgurueu |
| 19:22 |
[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> in short: |
| 19:22 |
[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> 1. there's no way we can put all those big features in 5.10 -> some people will be let down, whether it's modders or contributors |
| 19:22 |
[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> 2. modders won't have much to play with in 5.9. 13987 would have been a great tool to make people happy. It was already there when the feature freeze started and nobody opposed the fact there was a feature still hanging |
| 19:23 |
Krock |
1. don't worry. I think that not all of them will make it into 5.10, either because drowning in rebase hell or absent authors |
| 19:23 |
Krock |
2. <Zughy> It can't take forever releasing a new version, I think we should definitely start releasing more often after 5.9 |
| 19:23 |
sfan5 |
I thought 13987 was planned to be merged for 5.9? |
| 19:24 |
Krock |
originally yes, but a few weeks into feature freeze, I noticed that this PR was still open, a feature, thus would not fit to the rules |
| 19:24 |
Krock |
I mean merging it wouldn't be the problem - it's fixing the issues that yet aren't known. |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
we can make exceptions of course but it indeed would be better to have it earlier than later due to testing |
| 19:26 |
[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> The (probably) most popular server has been using it for more than a month, I think it's pretty safe |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
a possible way out of this is to merge it now anyway and release an RC for more testing exposure |
| 19:26 |
[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> (also worst case scenarios we already have broken visibility, see #12403) |
| 19:26 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12403 -- `is_visible = false` doesn't work on players |
| 19:27 |
Krock |
how extensive have they used the API? Granted, long-term tests are great but one or two mods will not test all edge-cases |
| 19:28 |
[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> In the past we merged things that turned to be quite broken, like the custom celestial vault. It took two years to notice because apparently I was the only one who really started playing with such feature *and* bothered to open a few issues/PRs |
| 19:30 |
[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> also see fog in 5.8. The design is debatable, sfan5 fixed a few things in 5.9-dev |
| 19:30 |
Krock |
fair point. dev versions aren't tested well either in some cases, thus the RC build would make sense to me to speed things up a little bit |
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| 19:34 |
Krock |
currently reviewing that PR. let's see how it goes. |
| 19:34 |
[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> thank you Krock for understanding |
| 19:35 |
[MTMatrix] |
<Zughy> Since we're at it, can we write down somewhere the idea of smaller dev cycles (e.g. 3 or 4 months?) |
| 19:36 |
Krock |
it's been noted down i 2-3 meetings already |
| 19:36 |
Krock |
that's over the course of years. it's always been a target but we always ended up with this rythm |
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| 19:37 |
sfan5 |
speaking of #14342 I think we need to revert what led to this. we can't pull in such a far-reaching change close to release |
| 19:37 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/14342 -- Send sound to players which comes to hear distance. by sfence |
| 19:38 |
Krock |
I thought the same thing. Yes. |
| 19:39 |
Krock |
it's labelled as Bugfix but the logic that it implements seem more like a feature ... |
| 19:40 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Coming soon: Fix broken double wielding support |
| 19:41 |
MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Also: Fix codebase accidentally being written in C++ instead of Rust |
| 19:41 |
sfan5 |
merging #14841, #14849, #14648 in 10 min |
| 19:41 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/14841 -- Allow main menu gamebar scroll to loop (#14835) by Kazooo100 |
| 19:41 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/14849 -- Un-deprecate redis database backend by sfan5 |
| 19:41 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/14648 -- Better AppStream metadata by AFCMS |
| 19:41 |
sfan5 |
the mainmenu PR is arguably a UI bugfix |
| 19:44 |
Krock |
fine my be |
| 19:53 |
Desour |
regarding milestone issues, I've recently noticed that #13146 was merged before 5.8.0 was released. so, the regressions caused by it are not 5.9-dev regressions. by updating from 5.8 to 5.9, users won't get a downgrade due to them. hence, I think we can remove those issues from the milestone, no? |
| 19:54 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/13146 -- Inventory mouse shortcut improvements by OgelGames |
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| 20:13 |
Krock |
Desour: you're right. the milestone'd issues and PRs aren't marked as blocker either, thus could be removed from there |
| 20:14 |
Krock |
or moved to 5.10 so that they're not forgotten 8) |
| 20:14 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> off the cuff idea about 5.10, no idea if its any good. maybe we finally get 5.9 out the door (at some point), and then merge a predefined list of prs (for example lua mapgen, object visibility per player, async ipc, etc) that are pretty much ready, and go straight to feature freeze for 5.10? |
| 20:16 |
Desour |
ah, I didn't know the blocker label is used like this |
| 20:16 |
Krock |
heh that's an ambitious idea. it's indeed that feature PRs are merged very often early on, giving them time for testing. however, if we'd have the default 2 week testing, it would not be enough. |
| 20:17 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> sure, but at least for the three listed prs, they have been tested by at least a few people for a decent bit of time |
| 20:17 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> and lets by honest, feature freeze is always longer than 2 weeks lol |
| 20:17 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> *be |
| 20:17 |
Krock |
never said that I wouldn't agree with you :) |
| 20:17 |
Desour |
wsor4035: we already have lua mapgen. it would be funny though, if our feature freezes get so long, that 90% of release period is freeze |
| 20:18 |
Krock |
we've already had 2 weeks, sometimes 3. this time it's pretty long, though. |
| 20:18 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> desour: async lua mapgen |
| 20:19 |
Krock |
isn't the Linux kernel moving at a similar pace? merge all features at once, then enter feature freeze for fixes shortly after? |
| 20:20 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> seems async lua mapgen was merged for 5.9, anyways, other two examples still stand |
| 20:20 |
Desour |
wsor4035: yes, the mapgen thread PR. it was merged |
| 20:22 |
MTDiscord |
<wsor4035> krock: im not sure. kernel does have a lot more steps before stuff gets to linus for merging |
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