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MTDiscord |
<luatic> sfan5: maybe because copy-paste on Discord gives you a mess when copying usernames? x) |
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sfan5 |
does it? |
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Zughy[m] |
about the roadmap (https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/direction.md), can't we remove the first point about rendering/graphics improvement? I mean, nobody has really asked for it (not even core devs) in the roadmap brainstorm issue https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12746#issuecomment-1315569363 |
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Zughy[m] |
This doesn't mean of course that x2048 and lhofanshl can't keep doing what they're doing |
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Zughy[m] |
*lhofhansl, sorry |
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rubenwardy |
no, we cannot - it needs to be in the roadmap as there's still more to do |
| 09:39 |
rubenwardy |
people aren't asking for it because it's in-progress and so they assume it will continue to happen |
| 09:39 |
rubenwardy |
the point of the roadmap is to community what sort of things are the priority to work on, rendering/graphics is definitely high on that list |
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rubenwardy |
*communicate |
| 09:43 |
rubenwardy |
also that goal includes SDL stuff, which is likely to be a focus for 5.8 |
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nrz |
tbh what i'd like to see is SDL replacing legacy model, and in 5.9 removal of legacy backends if we are confident. and also the new main menu UI (maybe with some refinements, but it's a first very very good change), and entity enhancements. I'd like to take time to improve this entity things, as we discussed before. |
| 09:46 |
nrz |
another thing, maybe we can also enhance some voxel performance with offloading on GPU with OpenMP or OpenCL (the second won't work on Mac OSX) |
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rubenwardy |
I'd like to see SDL stabilised and used by default for 5.8. Would make sense to remove other backends at that point |
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nrz |
i think 5.8 is too early for removal, we should keep them one release, to see side effects and fix them before removing 😄 |
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rubenwardy |
there's not really much benefit to that as using a different backend will require recompiling anyway, could be a patch release |
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rubenwardy |
we could keep it around to revert to non-sdl in a .1 |
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nrz |
you mean we cannot have a config option to switch between SDL and non SDL ? if i remember correctly on irrlicht it's an option no ? |
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nrz |
if it's compile time, we can give end users a solution, or some platforms which break should use legacy and new ones only SDL |
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nrz |
i'm pretty confident about the SDL2 ones, as it's now a pretty old library |
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rubenwardy |
correct, it's a compile option currently |
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rubenwardy |
USE_SDL2 in Irrlicht |
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nrz |
ok right 🙂 |
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rubenwardy |
the problem with making SDL2 optional is that existing distros won't change their configs, they'll continue to use non-SDL |
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nrz |
a question about roadmap, we create roadmap issue on the beginning of the previous cycle ? it's not better to do it during the RC cycle ? |
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nrz |
i mean open roadmap issue for X+1 when feature freeze for X is happening |
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rubenwardy |
no, roadmaps are longer term than a release |
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rubenwardy |
it's been 2 years since the last roadmap |
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nrz |
i mean, we can have long term roadmap, but middle term for next release ? |
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rubenwardy |
no |
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rubenwardy |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/direction.md |
| 09:56 |
rubenwardy |
the "middle term for next release" is a milestone |
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nrz |
fine 🙂 |
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rubenwardy |
!title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/milestone/22 |
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ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: 5.8.0 Milestone · GitHub |
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Desour |
FYI, the SDL is not far from being stable. there's just one pair of PRs to be merged before all known issues are fixed. |
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Desour |
the rendering improvements on the roadmap probably also include things like using texture atlases or array textures, which goes in a completely different direction than the improvements made yet |
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MTDiscord |
<kimapr> when media unloading? |
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MTDiscord |
<kimapr> is that on the roadmap |
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Desour |
I'd count that to internal code refactor and improvements |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Media unloading is not just some "internal refactor", it dramatically affects the way we can use media in mods and games. Â Right now we are very limited by the fact that everything eats memory and there's no way to get it back. Â Without that limitation there are features I've held back that I would merge as soon as I EOS the old pre-unloading versions. |
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pgimeno |
is dual wielding receiving top priority for this release? given it wasn't ready for the previous one |
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Fleckenstein |
well i kinda asked for review of my TODO/agenda and no one confirmed that this is the way to go yet |
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rubenwardy |
will merge #12614 later unless anyone else wants to review it |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12614 -- Add ability to override item images using meta by rubenwardy |
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sfan5 |
dual wielding is on the high-priority pile but that is unfortunetely no guarantee |
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sfan5 |
unfortunately* |
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Zughy[m] |
I still think we should prioritise Jude's PRs before they become obsolete |
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rubenwardy |
merging #12614 in 10 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/12614 -- Add ability to override item images using meta by rubenwardy |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> rubenwardy: what happens in str_to_v3f if the string is not formatted properly? |
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rubenwardy |
same behaviour as in Settings:get_pos |
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rubenwardy |
good point though, I copied the implementation without thinking much about the specific behaviour. Should probably emit a warning and only set wield_scale if valid |
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