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Topic for #minetest-dev is now Minetest core development and maintenance. Chit-chat goes to #minetest. https://dev.minetest.net/ https://irc.minetest.net/ https://github.com/minetest |
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thomas_ |
@sfan5: What do I have to do on a server to make dynamic shadows work? Our server has version 5.5.0-dev. I tried servers with 5.6.0 but dynamic shadows didn't work like in my local minetest world. |
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thomas_ |
@sfan5: seems to work with new server version, no more help needed ... |
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rubenwardy |
someone has suggested adding a "Raspberry Pi Package to your downloads page" |
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MTDiscord |
<MisterE> Good idea |
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<Warr1024> Wait, what's a "raspberry pi" package? You mean like a build for Linux for the ARM architecture? |
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rubenwardy |
no idea |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> The way I see it, the things already on the download page should already cover ARM systems, and any gap would be more of a "fix bug" than a "please add." I'd ask them for more specifics... |
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MTDiscord |
<PrairieWind> havent done it in a while, but using sudo apt-get install minetest on Raspbian installs Minetest 0.4.17 instead of newer versions. It may have changed as I havent used raspbian for 2 years now, but when I was using it, thats what it installed. |
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Zughy[m] |
<Zughy[m]> "I was wondering, since 5.6.1..." <- any core devs' take about my 5.6.1 suggestion? |
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rubenwardy |
would be nice to cut down the number of bug. Don't want to dig through it right now though |
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<MisterE> No, a prebuilt minetest for arm |
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<MisterE> With a label: download for raspberry pi |
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sfan5 |
rubenwardy: I have suggested that before, no time to work on that right now though |
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sfan5 |
the compiling part is not complicated (especially not since irrlichtmt) |
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sfan5 |
the interesting part is adding some checks to tell the user about enabling the new/experimental opengl driver to get good performance |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> MisterE, MT doesn't run on a Raspberry Pi, it only runs on an operating system that runs on a Raspberry Pi. We can't "cut out the middleman" or anything; people can't just download MT for the Pi, they have to download it for whatever OS they're running on the Pi. Which, again, should be covered by the existing options. |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> If having it in the Debian upstream doesn't cause it to "trickle down" into raspbian or whatever people are running on Pi these days, then I guess that suggests we have another package manager maintainer to get in touch with... |
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<Warr1024> The pis are general-purpose PCs that can run different OSs; offering a "pi" download would be like offering an Intel or AMD download. |
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sfan5 |
worse, it's like offering a build that only runs on a certain series of Asus laptops |
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sfan5 |
but the reasons are that debian often has an outdated version and it doesn't come with optimizations/settings that'd make sense for a Raspberry Pi |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> I just figured that if we offered ARM packages for major package manager families, like deb, rpm, flatpak, etc. that those should eventually work their way into pi-optimized OSs, and many of the pi-specific optimizations are related to OS/distro driver choice or kernel tweaks, moreso than specific MT compile options. Do we have such "universal-ish" ARM builds right now? |
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schwarzwald[m] |
Is falling water not being rendered when you're looking at past the corner of a block a new bug? |
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schwarzwald[m] |
s/corner/edge |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> Minetest will happily accept tiles = "string", presumably indexing the string like a table and relying on the metatable, meaning it probably treats strings like empty tiles tables. |
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MTDiscord |
<luatic> (somebody on the Discord ran into this) |
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sfan5 |
there should be a type check |
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MisterE[m] |
Comon, guy, quit nitpickin'. ofc it wouldn't be a 'pi download', it would be a Raspbian download. I thought that generally people think of raspberries running raspbian, just like with other software for the pi, if you put another os on it, you no longer get raspbian software. This was assumed to be understood :P |
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MisterE[m] |
./s/guy/guys |
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MTDiscord |
<Ronoaldo> Nitpicking is the norm around here, isn't it? Perhaps I just got used to it ? |
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MTDiscord |
<Warr1024> Also, "assumed to be understood that people would be running raspbian" sounds wrong to me. OctoPi is apparently moving to a different distro (fork/successor I think?) and of course people like rpm distros too, so even if you select "Raspberry Pi download", then you still have to pick between deb and rpm distros. |
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<Warr1024> Acting like people who don't have your exact experiences and assumptions is not "nitpicking"; in fact, checking assumptions is one of the important things people do here. |
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<Warr1024> There are also a lot of ARM boards out there, some positioning themselves as rpi knockoffs (like the orange pi) but they actually look interesting, since rpi prices are still pretty bonkers right now, but the alternatives aren't as strongly affected. |
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<Warr1024> So if we offer a "ras pi" download that doesn't work for rpm-on-rpi users, but would work for deb-on-orange-pi users, that's just doubly confusing. We should call things what they are, not what we assume that other people with our experiences might think they might be called. |
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