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nerzhul |
did you see the IRC freenode drama ? |
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nerzhul |
pgimeno is aware as far i saw in some logs :D |
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| 14:17 |
nerzhul |
most of the communities are moving to libera. Do we plan something ? or we just stay here ? or we just use discord ? :D |
| 14:25 |
nerzhul |
see https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad |
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sfan5 |
sure hope it won't be discord |
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sfan5 |
but it's unclear at this point |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> What is the reasoning of the those in the IRC community who hope it isn't discord? I haven't heard their position on it before; if it isn't appropriate to discuss here then please say so. |
| 14:34 |
rubenwardy |
Matrix would also be an option, although Element is electron |
| 14:34 |
sfan5 |
there are other, more general arguments that can be made against discord |
| 14:34 |
sfan5 |
but the primary reason (for me) is that I'm more comfortable with my IRC client |
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nerzhul |
i'm not in favor of matrix |
| 14:35 |
nerzhul |
we already have irc & discord |
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rubenwardy |
we already have matrix as well |
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nerzhul |
discord is unofficial but can become |
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rubenwardy |
discord is official |
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nerzhul |
ah discord is now official ? |
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nerzhul |
and matrix ? |
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rubenwardy |
well, it's officially promoted but not officially administrated |
| 14:36 |
rubenwardy |
https://www.minetest.net/get-involved/ |
| 14:36 |
nerzhul |
having 3 platform is pretty huge |
| 14:36 |
nerzhul |
do we have many people here or in other irc channels ? compared to discord & matrix ? never saw matrix messages here :D |
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rubenwardy |
there are ~1500 on Discord and ~300 on Matrix |
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nerzhul |
or we can do another thing and keep dev on irc and let community on discord no ? |
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rubenwardy |
which IRC though |
| 14:37 |
nerzhul |
honestly i don't care, i jsut want a working tech |
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nerzhul |
D |
| 14:37 |
nerzhul |
but not 3 to 4 platforms |
| 14:38 |
nerzhul |
for me discord is fine, and we can share richer content, better also to share client screenshots :D |
| 14:39 |
nerzhul |
i'm already bridging IRC on my mattermost using matterbridge :p |
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Sokomine |
please keep it to some form of irc. discord is a horribly bloated program, not open source, not trustworthy |
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nerzhul |
haha |
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hlqkj |
+1 |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Moving from Freenode to Libera seems the most straightforward to me |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Since it's run by (most?) of the resigned Freenode staff |
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celeron55 |
i think it's quite wild how easily people involved in free software development are giving up their freedoms and going to discord |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Can we avoid the Discord vs IRC fight? They are both good technology with lots of issues. |
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celeron55 |
well, it was already started |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Thats no reason to continue :] |
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celeron55 |
but anyway, the MT IRC channels will follow the freenode staff, eventually |
| 15:25 |
celeron55 |
i fully expect freenode to basically crumble and die if the ownership and staff changes so there won't be much choice than go to where the staff went |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Switching to Libera is as simple as a few config changes, right? |
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celeron55 |
but it's still ongoing, no sense making any moves yet |
| 15:26 |
celeron55 |
yeah it's the same thing at a different domain and servers |
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celeron55 |
with a different name |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> It is a new network though, so new registrations and channel namespaces will have to be done |
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nerzhul |
celeron55, i suggest that you create channels there with ownership |
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nerzhul |
in case of :) |
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nerzhul |
Benrob0329: yeah i had registered my new nick, this one is pretty old on freenode :D |
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clavi |
<josiah_wi> What is the reasoning of the those in the IRC community who hope it isn't discord? |
| 18:57 |
clavi |
https://cadence.moe/blog/2020-06-06-why-you-shouldnt-trust-discord |
| 18:57 |
clavi |
good writeup |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Not everything in life needs to be open source...my MT server is NOT open source does this means it is by any means a BAD server now? I doubt it |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Also, just because I use something doesnt mean I completely trust the owner/maker. |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> Well I guess you have to 'trust' the service enough to at least believe that it will not do anything malicious with your data |
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celeron55 |
by using free software, you remove the need to trust the owner, especially in the long term |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Correct, which is why free software can be great |
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celeron55 |
imagine freenode using proprietary software |
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celeron55 |
data of course is a separate concern, altough there's some strong legislation for it in europe |
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* Sokomine |
compares the attitude of ihrfussel regarding freedom of that of discord...and decides that ihrfussels server is ok to be on, but discord not |
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rubenwardy |
servers don't run code on the client, so his server isn't open nor closed source |
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MTDiscord |
<josiah_wi> Thank you for sharing that writeup clavi. |
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Seirdy |
ooh are we sharing writeups? |
| 19:36 |
Seirdy |
this one applies 100% to discord: https://seirdy.one/2021/01/27/whatsapp-and-the-domestication-of-users.html |
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Seirdy |
there's a follow-up post at the bottom that voices concerns with matrix as well |
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MTDiscord |
<IhrFussel> I didn't even touch the c++ engine code on my server but what I meant is that my mods at least are closed source so nobody really knows what's going on behind the scenes and users have to trust me that I didn't find some security hole or whatever |
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pgimeno |
the web version of discord is open source, as all JS is, it's just not free. Open source means pretty much nothing. |
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pgimeno |
and I find this ironic: <celeron55> i think it's quite wild how easily people involved in free software development are giving up their freedoms and going to discord |
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pgimeno |
s/going to discord/staying on github/ and you have my position |
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celeron55 |
well i'm moving, i'm just slow |
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sfan5 |
damn just tried the dynamic shadows PR and it's firstly super impressive |
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sfan5 |
and on very high it reduces my client to like 15fps and introduce quite a bit of input lag |
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sfan5 |
hopefully that doesn't apply to lower modes |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> Depends entirely on the hardware |
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MTDiscord |
<Benrob0329> Source Available != Open Source (yes I know I'm sending this through the bridge, I'm on a phone) |
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MTDiscord |
<GreenXenith> My system struggles on medium settings |
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sfan5 |
Ryzen 5 2600 | GeForce GTX 1050 Ti |
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* Sokomine |
hopefully wields an old celeron g1610 with igp |
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Sokomine |
view range has improved considerably on my old hardware in the last few years |
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* cheapie |
digs around a bit, pulls out a box with VIA "Chrome9 HD" integrated graphics |
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cheapie |
OpenGL 1.4 here we come! |
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LoneWolfHT |
I can just handle it on High settings |
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MTDiscord |
<Jordach> sfan5: my M1 MacBook Air handles it fine at 1440p |
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