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p_gimeno |
@Krock @mtda I maintain an up-to-date Irrlicht mirror with all branches, https://gitlab.com/pgimeno/irrlicht-mirror |
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| 12:15 |
mtda |
hello |
| 12:16 |
mtda |
remind me which commit do i have to revert to |
| 12:19 |
Krock |
p_gimeno: nice. is mirroring a gitlab feature or does this happen using local scripts? |
| 12:19 |
Krock |
http://irc.minetest.net/minetest-dev/2019-08-09#i_5575884 |
| 12:19 |
Krock |
^ mtda |
| 12:19 |
mtda |
thanks, i'll check |
| 12:41 |
mtda |
ok had to leave for a while... now compiling from that commit |
| 12:53 |
mtda |
still died in guiButton.cpp |
| 12:53 |
mtda |
same error |
| 12:58 |
mtda |
termbin.com/1q5u in case it's any different |
| 13:12 |
Krock |
well so: reset your branch to d1a1c5cb~1 (one commit prior that) because that's the commit that introduced this enum |
| 13:12 |
Krock |
if that works, you can still apply the OGLES patches on top |
| 13:13 |
Krock |
what's the status now is the shader path variable now found in the git mirror clone? |
| 13:14 |
mtda |
renderingengine and everything that has to do with gles compiles |
| 13:31 |
Krock |
> 200 FPS in singleplayer with vsync on |
| 13:31 |
Krock |
current master. I doubt that's a minetest issue? |
| 13:32 |
Krock |
First I thought my profiler changes might have touched it but apparently vsync just broke at some point in a recent update. Any other occurrences? |
| 13:39 |
mtda |
well, i'm compiling in a very unusual environment |
| 13:40 |
mtda |
so it might indeed be something to do with ARM or GLES, not minetest |
| 13:41 |
mtda |
the commit you've provided is having much more luck though, it already went way past where it previously died |
| 14:02 |
mtda |
67%.. make your bets when will it crash |
| 14:05 |
mtda |
have to say, this older commit throws considerably less warnings. maybe my build environment is outdated |
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| 14:13 |
mtda |
i'm sorry, but termbin.com/c6w4 |
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sfan5 |
missing -lEGL |
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mtda |
elaborate? |
| 14:16 |
sfan5 |
irrlicht was not linked with libEGL despite requiring it |
| 14:16 |
sfan5 |
but you can just fix this while linking minetest using -DCMAKE_EXE_LINKER_FLAGS="-lEGL" |
| 14:17 |
mtda |
what consequences would that have? |
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mtda |
i'm new to most of this |
| 14:18 |
mtda |
ok it's done |
| 14:19 |
mtda |
i'll do a smoke test without minetest-game |
| 14:20 |
mtda |
it started up! |
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mtda |
minimal dev test runs, produces decentish fps |
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| 15:05 |
Krock |
but that's OpenGL, I suppose? |
| 15:05 |
mtda |
yes |
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| 15:09 |
mtda |
ok, now wat do to make it GLES instead of OpenGL |
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deltasquared |
I recall there being a setting for this, however most builds if you try to set it to gles will complain that it's not enabled/compiled in and falls back to regular opengl. |
| 15:11 |
deltasquared |
no idea if the video_driver property in advanced settings will do what you want. |
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mtda |
i found the setting and set it to ogles2. might have been a mistake, as after a restart all i see is blue |
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deltasquared |
o.o |
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mtda |
manually changed to ogles1 |
| 15:12 |
deltasquared |
mtda: try turning off all shaders |
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mtda |
picture is back |
| 15:12 |
deltasquared |
including the shader tickbox itself |
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mtda |
they are unavailable now |
| 15:12 |
mtda |
apparently i don't have ogles2 support? |
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deltasquared |
hrm... turn them off anyway and try again? I've found ogles2 will allow you the shader settings, but they're all fail broken. |
| 15:13 |
deltasquared |
all I get for instance in many cases is a black screen with just nametags and HUD elements. |
| 15:13 |
deltasquared |
(this being on my android device using ogles2 there) |
| 15:13 |
mtda |
i'm not sure raspi supports ogles2 |
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mtda |
3b+ at least |
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deltasquared |
mtda: try running es2info. |
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mtda |
not found |
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deltasquared |
hmm... wait, was it called something else |
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deltasquared |
oh wait, es2_info sorry |
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mtda |
doesnt exist |
| 15:15 |
deltasquared |
it should come along with whatever package has glxgears... |
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deltasquared |
dunno what that is on debian |
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mtda |
i do have gears tho |
| 15:15 |
deltasquared |
hmm |
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mtda |
it's possible i have horribly misconfigured graphics though |
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mtda |
can't even run openarena |
| 15:18 |
mtda |
so yeah, on default settings with ogles1 and no smooth lighting it's playable |
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mtda |
unless you go to spawn of a public server |
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mtda |
i hope this "stress testing" of mine helps |
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mtda |
running on unusual underpowered hardware and software |
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Krock |
!tell mtda see debug.txt. I think it cannot find the shaders |
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ShadowBot |
Krock: O.K. |
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sfan5 |
Krock: i think player movement would overwrite any "prediction" done by other clients |
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sfan5 |
the other problem is that it doesn't apply in free_move mode, which is not something the server can tell |
| 16:25 |
Krock |
right |
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Krock |
too bad that there's so much latency |
| 16:56 |
sfan5 |
Krock: your suggestion tricked me, checking after multiplication is intentional |
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sfan5 |
|d| == 1 in fact usually means that each vector component is somewhat less than 1 |
| 17:06 |
Krock |
yes it is, thus k needs to be checked against lower values |
| 17:06 |
Krock |
the movement distance will always be 1 * k (but in 3d) |
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sfan5 |
yes, but I am intentionally not checking the distance |
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sfan5 |
I could check the distance instead, but it should be more like < 1.5 |
| 17:14 |
Krock |
mhm okay |
| 17:19 |
Krock |
nerzhul, nore, rubenwardy, sfan5, sofar: Would you be available for a meeting in like 40 minutes? https://dev.minetest.net/Meetings#2019-07-X |
| 17:19 |
sfan5 |
i guess |
| 17:22 |
Krock |
other contributors are certainly also welcome to give inputs |
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paramat |
i'm around from now on |
| 17:38 |
sfan5 |
merging #8685, #8776 in 5 minutes |
| 17:38 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8685 -- Player knockback and add_player_velocity API by sfan5 |
| 17:38 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8776 -- Finish getNode cleanup by osjc |
| 17:45 |
Krock |
paramat: hi. Will you be available for a meeting in ~15 minutes? |
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sfan5 |
did github just create a merge commit |
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| 17:46 |
sfan5 |
again? |
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sfan5 |
or is the description just wrong? |
| 17:49 |
sfan5 |
looks like it's just the message |
| 17:50 |
sfan5 |
I did set it correctly but github said "merge failed" after the merge and upon reloading the pull request was already merged |
| 17:50 |
sfan5 |
maybe github should fix their stupid software... |
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paramat |
yes i can do meeting, but have very few thoughts on the PR topics |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
force push |
| 17:55 |
Krock |
nvm, too late (>5 mins) |
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paramat |
or, my thoughts are already present as comments in the PRs |
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| 18:03 |
Krock |
Okay, let's start. |
| 18:04 |
Krock |
#6688 is a massive PR, but needs rebase and design re-considerations |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6688 -- Custom particle generators for particle spawners by raymoo |
| 18:05 |
Krock |
should it be closed? I don't see any hope there right now, and maybe it could be done using CSMs somewhen |
| 18:07 |
paramat |
my opinion is clear in the comments, this is a very bad idea |
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| 18:08 |
Krock |
so close? |
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paramat |
i think so yes |
| 18:09 |
Krock |
rubenwardy apparently likes it. well so, reopen on rebase is still an option |
| 18:13 |
Krock |
what to do with #8382? close or merge? |
| 18:13 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8382 -- Fix debug.txt growing bigger and bigger by HybridDog |
| 18:14 |
paramat |
i find this one difficult to decide on |
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paramat |
i feel the implementation may need some reconsideration |
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DS-minetest |
huge debug.txt files are awful imo |
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rubenwardy |
it shouldn't be our concern |
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rubenwardy |
we should pass it off to systemd |
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rubenwardy |
the most we should do is trim the logs to be at most a certain length when opening MT |
| 18:18 |
sfan5 |
well you can't really tell windows users to set up systemd just so their folder doesn't keep growing in size |
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paramat |
i would prefer a large debug.txt is trimmed (oldest entries trimmed) than delete if over size |
| 18:19 |
Krock |
wrote a suggestion. any comments on zipping the first, then dropping it after the next limit overflow? |
| 18:19 |
sfan5 |
i was about to propose that |
| 18:19 |
Krock |
nice |
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rubenwardy |
windows users shouldn't run servers :) |
| 18:19 |
rubenwardy |
and don't need log rotation |
| 18:19 |
Krock |
but they can |
| 18:19 |
Krock |
and we should not prevent them from doing so if they want to |
| 18:19 |
paramat |
that suggestion is fine with me |
| 18:20 |
Krock |
great, so I guess that's settled for now |
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sfan5 |
don't even need to zip it, if debug.txt is over 50MB move it to debug.txt.1 (overwriting if already exists) and start with a new debug.txt |
| 18:20 |
rubenwardy |
not having log rotation support doesn't prevent them from that |
| 18:20 |
sfan5 |
^ would've been my suggestion |
| 18:20 |
Krock |
or that. even less io-consuming |
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| 18:21 |
Krock |
heading over to #6804. Is someone keen to adopt it? |
| 18:22 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6804 -- Punchwear by sofar |
| 18:22 |
Krock |
Actually I'm sceptical about the calculations in https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6804/files#diff-b2e9183274c47c49c500e499eacd627eR223 |
| 18:23 |
paramat |
yes see my comments, something seems wrong |
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Krock |
nvm, it's correct. "f" is always < 1. that's the case if the punch happened only partially (not full interval) |
| 18:25 |
Krock |
hence the wear proportionally increases to the punch/full_interval ratio |
| 18:25 |
paramat |
well, i'm unsure whether there's a mistake or not |
| 18:26 |
Krock |
question is whether to punish people who spam-click or just make it proportional to the time spent |
| 18:26 |
Krock |
to be safe, this could be left in the current state and change it later |
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| 18:29 |
Krock |
so no volunteers. |
| 18:30 |
Krock |
Why is #8611 on the meeting list? seems OK |
| 18:30 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8611 -- Add support for set_formspec_prepend in main menu by rubenwardy |
| 18:30 |
rubenwardy |
I didn't add that |
| 18:31 |
paramat |
neither did i |
| 18:31 |
rubenwardy |
Krock added it https://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Meetings&diff=4962&oldid=4959 |
| 18:31 |
Krock |
just seen that too. weird, nothing's to discuss there |
| 18:33 |
Krock |
#8627 rebased it today. Are there any comments on the implementation? It works as expected |
| 18:33 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8627 -- [Do not squash me!] Load CSM environment after the restrictions are known by SmallJoker |
| 18:35 |
sfan5 |
seems fine to me |
| 18:35 |
Krock |
rubenwardy: FYI. the insecure function has been removed and turned into a comment instead |
| 18:40 |
Krock |
#8665 simple gameplay improvement for linux and windows. |
| 18:40 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8665 -- Formspec: change the appeareance of the cursor on fields and co. by DS-Minetest |
| 18:40 |
Krock |
Works fine, but was yet only tested on Linux. The code is very simple, thus I wonder why it did not get more attention yet |
| 18:41 |
rubenwardy |
there's amerge conflict in master for some reason |
| 18:41 |
Krock |
s/conflict/commit/ |
| 18:42 |
Krock |
yes, according to sfan5 the "try again" on merging PRs creates merge commits even though they're disabled in this repo |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
yeah that |
| 18:42 |
sfan5 |
tell github to fix their shitty software |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
oh I discovered that too |
| 18:42 |
rubenwardy |
and then if you force push, it resets all the update timestamps of _all PRs_ |
| 18:43 |
sfan5 |
if you merge two PRs quickly after eachother, the second will "fail" to merge but github will do it anyway with the default option of creating a merge commit even bypassing repo restrictions |
| 18:43 |
Krock |
I had that "fail" too but it did not create a merge commit. must be a new bug |
| 18:44 |
pauloue |
how is getmetatable insecure? |
| 18:44 |
rubenwardy |
http://lua-users.org/wiki/SandBoxes |
| 18:45 |
Krock |
you can get the table reference and alter that one, I guess |
| 18:46 |
Krock |
comments on the cursor change PR? any approvals? |
| 18:46 |
DS-minetest |
(note that the cursor pr has a little bug) |
| 18:46 |
Krock |
that's not the kind of formspec changing PRs I had in mind but ok |
| 18:46 |
Krock |
DS-minetest: which is that it does not work on mac |
| 18:47 |
Krock |
that's not our problem. irrlicht must fix that |
| 18:47 |
DS-minetest |
no, If you open a formspec and have your cursor on an element, it will stay normal until you move it away and back. |
| 18:47 |
Krock |
so does the cursor if you keep it at the same place but scroll down in firefox |
| 18:48 |
Krock |
weird. I've seen that for a while |
| 18:48 |
Krock |
DS-minetest: I'd argue that's better than nothing |
| 18:48 |
DS-minetest |
mhm |
| 18:51 |
DS-minetest |
(btw, gtmetatable would probably be safe if you could just use it on tables) (maybe even the getmetatable("") example would not make problems for csm as it uses its own luastate and is not a sandbox that is maintained from lua) |
| 18:56 |
deltasquared |
*reads backlog* |
| 18:56 |
deltasquared |
wait |
| 18:56 |
deltasquared |
player velocity!? |
| 18:56 |
deltasquared |
FINALLY |
| 18:56 |
deltasquared |
well that basically makes that hammer code I wrote obsolete |
| 18:57 |
Krock |
it works but there's quite some delay from your punch to the other player's move |
| 18:57 |
deltasquared |
I doubt that can be helped. |
| 18:58 |
deltasquared |
seeing as it takes the *other* client to start applying the knockback presumably. |
| 18:58 |
Krock |
punch packet -> to server -> to punched player -> player position packet -> to server -> to puncher |
| 18:59 |
deltasquared |
not entirely sure but I don't think minecarp does any better from experience? |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
they for sure do some prediction so it fells more natural |
| 18:59 |
Krock |
*feels |
| 19:00 |
Krock |
simple PR again #8656 review/approvals are welcome |
| 19:00 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8656 -- Hide chat when console is open by ClobberXD |
| 19:00 |
Krock |
no |
| 19:01 |
deltasquared |
well, if the server could just *say* "this player is accelerated xyz, no arguments" the problem would be lessened (potentially only one round trip?), but... that's an established flaw at this point :P |
| 19:01 |
Krock |
deltasquared: that was a suggestion, but problem here is that the server and client information can get out of sync |
| 19:02 |
Krock |
hence the punched player moves backwards a bit after of what the puncher seees |
| 19:02 |
Krock |
those movement packets by the punched player are also sent to the server (and fro there: distributed) |
| 19:03 |
Krock |
so these two would conflict themselves by a server step and network lag in between |
| 19:03 |
sfan5 |
maybe with server-side movement the server could predict what will happen and save two roundtrips |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
yes, but Ben's PR is somewhat outdated by now and needs major rebasing |
| 19:04 |
Krock |
if it's even worth picking that PR up again. starting fresh might be a faster option |
| 19:05 |
paramat |
8656 is merged already |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
any comments on #8466? "won't add" or would someone like to see `add_list` to be an API function? |
| 19:05 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8466 -- InvRef: Add convenience method add_list for bulk transfer of items by ClobberXD |
| 19:05 |
Krock |
paramat: yes, I didn't check the PR beforehand |
| 19:06 |
Krock |
for my part, the inventory functions are already feature-complete in this regard |
| 19:07 |
Krock |
rubenwardy: how often do you need to add entire lists to another? |
| 19:08 |
Krock |
for my mods this isn't used often, so it's probably the same for yours? |
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rubenwardy |
I don't mind too much |
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pauloue |
rubenwardy: why the global _ in dlg_create_world? |
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rubenwardy |
_ is a standard which means that the result is ignored |
| 20:38 |
pauloue |
why is it global though? |
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pauloue |
I'm guessing it was intentional because it's ignored in .luacheckrc |
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sfan5 |
merging #8712 in 5 min |
| 21:01 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8712 -- Fix some issues with minetest.clear_craft by pauloue |
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p_gimeno |
Krock: I'm using git-svn to mirror, using local scripts and a cron job |
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Krock |
will merge #8774 in ~5 minutes |
| 21:27 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8774 -- Fix breakage of non-GLES2 setups by osjc |
| 21:27 |
Krock |
sfan5: ping for the merge |
| 21:27 |
sfan5 |
o yea |
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sfan5 |
done |
| 21:28 |
Krock |
for comit number 8k |
| 21:28 |
Krock |
next target: 9000 commits |
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sfan5 |
first we should finally make a release |
| 21:30 |
Krock |
somewhere in between, yes. yet only 5.0.0 had >1000 commits |
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Krock |
*5.0.0 only had |
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Krock |
merging... |
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pauloue |
#8427 didn't get auto-closed |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/8427 -- clear_craft() is reversing the recipes list |
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paramat |
a proposal and some questions for rubenwardy or whoever game#2438 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2438 -- Clean up use of 'gui_furnace_arrow_bg.png' |
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