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proller__ |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8ua34JYMUY |
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paramat |
cubic planets are better ;) |
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nerzhul |
at least they have 60 fps with a very high range |
| 06:36 |
nerzhul |
sfan5 i'm stucked with #7409 |
| 06:36 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7409 -- Android: ogg build error |
| 06:36 |
nerzhul |
if you got any idea, you're welcome :) |
| 06:43 |
nerzhul |
i think i should switch to clang |
| 06:44 |
nerzhul |
and backport the build Makefile from master |
| 07:06 |
sfan5 |
hm, I haven't seen this error before |
| 07:14 |
nerzhul |
with the backport it choose the gcc 4.9 too... erf |
| 07:15 |
nerzhul |
i really need time to finish the gradle cmake build at a point |
| 08:32 |
VanessaE |
so... M$ *is* going to buy github. apparently they've reached an agreement. |
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| 09:26 |
nerzhul |
yeah, we will see if there is an announcement today |
| 09:26 |
nerzhul |
gitlab graphs show they have increased from 10 imports per 10 minutes to 3000 |
| 09:26 |
nerzhul |
:D |
| 09:40 |
celeron55 |
i think a reasonable thing to do is to try to avoid getting stuck in github due to github specific features, other than that whatever |
| 09:45 |
celeron55 |
i think MS now has a track record of buying stuff and using it as-is in a preservative way that makes it uncompetitive in the long term so MT is bound to jump to something else after some years |
| 09:47 |
celeron55 |
might be even looking at a timespan of 10 years or more |
| 10:11 |
VanessaE |
poor gitlab is buckling under the strain :) |
| 10:12 |
VanessaE |
I think I just heard a tiny little scream, "help meeeeeeeeeee"....and I don't even have audio enabled on that site :) |
| 10:12 |
ANAND |
lol :P |
| 10:13 |
VanessaE |
but no, MS still does their standard embrace-extend-extinguish. |
| 10:13 |
VanessaE |
(look at the mess they made of Skype) |
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nerzhul |
celeron55, it's why we have both CI on minetest, and we have a cloned group on gitlab.com |
| 10:27 |
nerzhul |
if needed, we can re-use the gitlab importer after dropping the project to re-import up-to-date PR & issue lists |
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| 11:49 |
celeron55 |
VanessaE: i think they're just incompetent, not evil |
| 11:49 |
VanessaE |
perhaps |
| 11:49 |
celeron55 |
the end result is similar though |
| 11:49 |
VanessaE |
in any case, MS is just.... I wouldn't trust them to pour me a glass of water. |
| 11:50 |
celeron55 |
i'd trust them to pour me a glass of water if they just bought a water pouring company in the past few years |
| 11:51 |
celeron55 |
before or after that, not really |
| 11:52 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 11:53 |
celeron55 |
nerzhul: yeah it's pretty good (maybe we should mention it on a download page or something now that somebody might care about it) |
| 11:56 |
nerzhul |
i mentionned gitlab daily builds on the forum, it works pretty well, we have windows and linux daily packages with it currently |
| 11:57 |
nerzhul |
at least we should wait for the MS or GH announce, and if majority of coredevs agree we should open a poll to major contributors/community, verify if all our prerequisites are okay for gitlab and let's go |
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| 12:08 |
celeron55 |
well i don't think we should move until the day that MS actually breaks something |
| 12:10 |
nerzhul |
OSS projects are not affected by MS action, as the code is already public |
| 12:11 |
nerzhul |
but it can be time to open a discussion about the git repository in the community. Gitlab has many interesting features which can be interesting and community discussion about it can be nice, maybe open an issue on the repo to make the discussion interesting :) |
| 12:12 |
nerzhul |
the web ide is very nice to edit a MR easily when you should edit a thing heh |
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| 12:51 |
lisac |
Krock: for #7008 documentation, do you think it's enough to just link the Irrlicht Wiki article, or actually copy that information into the file? |
| 12:51 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7008 -- [WIP] Allow CSMs to register a function on keypress by lisacvuk |
| 12:52 |
Krock |
lisac, we don't have to document stuff from other libraries |
| 12:52 |
Krock |
it's Irrlicht's job to provide it so it's usable |
| 12:58 |
lisac |
so I should just link it? |
| 12:59 |
Krock |
yes. We also do that in minetest.conf.example and probably also in the c++ code where it becomes important |
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| 13:08 |
Fixer |
this needs builds too https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable |
| 13:08 |
Fixer |
for 0.4.17 |
| 13:10 |
Fixer |
playstore version needs update too |
| 13:11 |
Fixer |
fdroid not updated itself yet |
| 13:12 |
Fixer |
Also, we need AppImage badly, poke Calinou |
| 13:12 |
Krock |
Fixer, notified est31 about it |
| 13:22 |
lisac |
Krock: I fixed the docs |
| 13:23 |
Krock |
is it still WIP? |
| 13:25 |
lisac |
I don't think so |
| 13:25 |
lisac |
it's mostly done IMO |
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nerzhul |
wow 7.5 billion |
| 13:51 |
nerzhul |
it's confirmed |
| 14:10 |
nerzhul |
web#132 is good for me |
| 14:10 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest.github.io/issues/132 -- Minetest is available for OpenBSD too! by mazocomp |
| 14:12 |
Calinou |
Fixer: would we build it on GitLab CI? |
| 14:13 |
Fixer |
Calinou: why not? you wanted to do that |
| 14:13 |
Fixer |
nerzhul: 7,5 billion USD? There is no bubble... |
| 14:14 |
nerzhul |
it's in actions |
| 14:15 |
Calinou |
Fixer: sorry, I'm very busy these days due to university |
| 14:16 |
Krock |
lisac, squashed your commits and rebased the branch to guarantee successful testing with the patch applied |
| 14:16 |
Krock |
testing now |
| 15:31 |
lisac |
thanks Krock |
| 15:38 |
Krock |
yw |
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| 18:43 |
est31 |
hello |
| 18:43 |
est31 |
just want to drop by here as Krock asked me to do the launchpad builds |
| 18:44 |
est31 |
https://code.launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+recipe/minetest-stable |
| 18:44 |
est31 |
set them up, it should build 0.4.17 for you |
| 18:44 |
est31 |
hopefully I haven't missed anything if yes ping me |
| 18:44 |
est31 |
(in pm) |
| 18:44 |
est31 |
bye! |
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nerzhul |
bye est31 |
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| 19:40 |
paramat |
i agree with c55, wait as long as possible and see what happens. panic migration now or soon would be bad due to how it is overloading other git sites |
| 19:45 |
p_gimeno |
no matter what happens, I'm going to withdraw my PRs. I may resubmit them to GitLab if/when Minetest is migrated. |
| 19:46 |
twoelk |
doesn't sound sensible |
| 19:49 |
p_gimeno |
right now I'm busy moving most of my repos to notabug.org; not sure if minetest qualifies as too big for them, I don't think so but if it does, I'll just remove it from GH. |
| 19:55 |
paramat |
? if you do that you are harming MT, it will be many months before the MS deal is completed anyway |
| 19:56 |
VanessaE |
paramat: it's completed today. |
| 19:56 |
rubenwardy |
no, it's not |
| 19:56 |
rubenwardy |
it's announced today |
| 19:56 |
paramat |
i can understand not opening new PRs though :) |
| 19:57 |
VanessaE |
oh. still, I doubt "many months" is accurate |
| 19:57 |
paramat |
i read 'completed by the end of the year' |
| 19:57 |
VanessaE |
huh. |
| 19:57 |
rubenwardy |
"I am very excited to announce that Microsoft is acquiring GitHub and expect the agreement to close by the end of the year. While it will still take a few months to finalize, we wanted to share the news as soon as we were able." |
| 19:57 |
VanessaE |
I stand corrected then |
| 19:58 |
twoelk |
yep let's abandon ship as soon as we see an iceberg on the horizon |
| 19:59 |
VanessaE |
twoelk: it's MS. that's not an iceberg, it's Mt. Everest. |
| 19:59 |
* twoelk |
sadly strokes his old nokia in memory of better times |
| 20:00 |
Krock |
Would you please consider moving over to #-hub to discuss the MS topic further? |
| 20:00 |
paramat |
hmm, is it possible to leave GH and have your PRs remain? if not we can always copy your diffs for someone else to work on, if you agree |
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| 20:01 |
paramat |
it's on topic |
| 20:03 |
twoelk |
needed info for decision making relevant to working for mt :D |
| 20:03 |
Krock |
it might be for the future of Minetest but it's best to wait a while to see what happens. It's not needed to discuss it yet |
| 20:04 |
Krock |
well, at least not for a large project like Minetest |
| 20:05 |
twoelk |
we need -keep-calm-dont-panic- signs |
| 20:07 |
p_gimeno |
paramat, I think just setting up the new repo as remote and fetching works just fine |
| 20:08 |
p_gimeno |
anyone is welcome to do that once I complete the move, of course - the code's license is that of MT so the patches are also free software |
| 20:08 |
p_gimeno |
you only lose the convenience of the PR mechanism |
| 20:15 |
paramat |
ok i see |
| 20:22 |
celeron55 |
yeah don't panic please, MT will move when there's an actual reason to, luckily that will take time |
| 20:33 |
nerzhul |
oh no panic from me :) |
| 20:34 |
nerzhul |
Krock: #7394 has been updated like requested |
| 20:35 |
nerzhul |
as* |
| 20:35 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7394 -- Modernize lua read (part 1): C++ templating insurance by nerzhul |
| 20:36 |
Krock |
nerzhul, probably should've approved it instead of just adding a thumbs up reaction :3 |
| 20:36 |
nerzhul |
lol :) don't hesitate to do the regular approval then heh |
| 20:37 |
Krock |
there we go. looking forward to the next parts |
| 20:37 |
nerzhul |
heh merging then |
| 20:37 |
nerzhul |
i will find the next type victim :) |
| 20:47 |
lumberJ |
Should the blurb on the minetest repo on github match the one on minetest.net? |
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| 21:18 |
nerzhul |
Krock: part 2 #7410 |
| 21:18 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7410 -- Modernize lua read (part 2): C++ templating assurance by nerzhul |
| 21:21 |
Krock |
will check tomorrow |
| 21:21 |
nerzhul |
nice :) |
| 21:22 |
p_gimeno |
oh, I'm not panicking, I'm storming out :) |
| 21:23 |
p_gimeno |
MT can do whatever is deemed convenient by the devs, I'm just out |
| 21:23 |
p_gimeno |
(of GH, of course) |
| 21:32 |
nerzhul |
paramat, Krock #7411 :) |
| 21:32 |
ShadowBot |
nerzhul: Error: Delimiter not found in "HTTP Error 502: Bad Gateway" |
| 21:32 |
nerzhul |
GH is now moving to azure and IIS and C# |
| 21:32 |
VanessaE |
https://github.com/VanessaE/dreambuilder_modpack -> Unicorn error wat |
| 21:33 |
nerzhul |
GH is crashing :p |
| 21:33 |
VanessaE |
oops, sorry, didn't notice this was -dev |
| 21:33 |
nerzhul |
#7411 |
| 21:33 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7411 -- CSM/SSM: Add on_mods_loaded callback by nerzhul |
| 21:33 |
nerzhul |
it got a 405 not allowed too opening this PR :) |
| 21:34 |
entuland |
works for me |
| 21:34 |
entuland |
but I guess github is getting overloaded by the migration as well |
| 21:34 |
nerzhul |
i don't know :) |
| 21:34 |
VanessaE |
the conspiracy theorist in me says GH is trying to throttle because of the mass migration |
| 21:35 |
entuland |
that wouldn't surprise me the least :) |
| 21:35 |
entuland |
ms specialists are waist-deep in there already for sure. They're knew something would have happened with the sale |
| 21:35 |
paramat |
7411 nice |
| 21:37 |
nerzhul |
i think they launch their IA to steal the whole code repositories from private companies heh |
| 21:38 |
rubenwardy |
worth noting that unless this blows over, we could lose quite a few contributors to this |
| 21:38 |
rubenwardy |
it's probably a bad idea to be use a proprietary platform anyway |
| 21:39 |
rubenwardy |
although |
| 21:40 |
rubenwardy |
we've probably lost a few of the really big foss-zealots already |
| 21:40 |
rubenwardy |
and "lost" is subjective |
| 21:41 |
nerzhul |
FOSS terrorists should only contribute to GNU :p |
| 21:41 |
p_gimeno |
if someone has the means to host it, there's gogs <https://gogs.io/> (it's the engine powering notabug.org, which is where I'm migrating) |
| 21:41 |
nerzhul |
and FOSS terrorist are not the best developers in the world, best developers works for GAFA or huge proprietary companies (except torvalds), redhat included |
| 21:42 |
nerzhul |
gogs is not production grade for a CI environment |
| 21:42 |
nerzhul |
it's good for tiny projects but it's not as mature as gitlab for integration & features |
| 21:44 |
p_gimeno |
well, if someone has the means to host it *and* pay for it, there's gitlab ofc |
| 21:45 |
paramat |
not surprised GH is hit by the migration, fools are causing problems for everyone. fact is GH will probably be unchanged for a few months |
| 21:45 |
celeron55 |
rubenwardy: you'd also have lost by not being on github as it's the biggest platform |
| 21:45 |
rubenwardy |
ah true |
| 21:46 |
rubenwardy |
this is why we need decentralised git hosts |
| 21:46 |
rubenwardy |
not that will ever happen |
| 21:47 |
celeron55 |
well you can just adjust your remote to wherever the repo happens to be located at, access control on the server side for pushing just is a hassle |
| 21:47 |
celeron55 |
and of course issue tracking and PRs and such are potential hassles |
| 21:47 |
p_gimeno |
personally, I don't want to be part of any statistics that MS can manipulate, it's not about whether it changes or not, I don't care about that. They have already manipulated the statistics to say that they are the biggest contributors to GH. And people are probably buying it. |
| 21:48 |
celeron55 |
of course submodules and such also don't play nicely necessarily |
| 21:49 |
celeron55 |
of course nothing they say is trustworthy; they have teams of people paid just to come up with lies |
| 21:49 |
celeron55 |
just like any corporation |
| 21:50 |
nerzhul |
yeah, the main problem is GH is the FB of the code, everybody should be on there to contribute, decentralized is quite nice, but you should good a sufficiently big platform to ensure contributors are not affraid |
| 21:51 |
nerzhul |
at least gitlab permits to use github login it's a cool features permittings contributors to easily move |
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