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oiaohm |
Ok if someone mentions cart collisions there are a few mods that spawn carts and if they had collisions without players in them that spawn feature would stuff up perfectly. Now being on a boat it is kind of annoying that the player collisions box does not expand. A feature I class as missing is that a item like a boat that you are using does not alter collision box of player. |
| 01:43 |
oiaohm |
And that collision box alteration would mean that narrow passes(1 node wide) would have to use swimming instead of lucking it and hoping not to get stuck.. |
| 01:45 |
oiaohm |
Has anyone ever made a flatpak of minetest |
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rubenwardy |
yes, https://github.com/est31/minetest-flatpak |
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rubenwardy |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=15336 |
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oiaohm |
rubenwardy: thanks that will be a good starting point. At some point I want to make it so I can flatpak build the development branch. Having the stable gives me starting point. |
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Hijiri |
If someone was going to implement dimensions then how would that work |
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Hijiri |
obviously they would need to do it incrementally, but how would they get approval for those incremental changes if it's not clear that they will follow through on the rest? |
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Hijiri |
doing all the work at once in a separate branch is not really an option due to the massive rebase that would be required since it would touch all the code |
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jonah |
hi |
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paramat |
game#2108 |
| 18:52 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2108 -- Biomes: Remove some warm and humid biomes at altitude by paramat |
| 18:54 |
paramat |
and game#2091 both ready |
| 18:54 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2091 -- Add 'spawn' mod to spawn new players in suitable starting biomes by paramat |
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rubenwardy |
interesting website by Github talking about how other projects do FOSS: https://opensource.guide/ |
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rubenwardy |
this too: http://opensourcesurvey.org/2017/ |
| 19:30 |
paramat |
"Fig1. - Problems encountered in open source" hehe does sound like MT |
| 19:32 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 19:32 |
rubenwardy |
the first link talks about how to fix those |
| 19:32 |
paramat |
well some of those are partly inevitable in FOSS |
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paramat |
due to the inevitably large ratio of contributors to dev time |
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rubenwardy |
I don't think they are |
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rubenwardy |
don't be defeatest |
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paramat |
wow the gender imbalance is shocking |
| 19:34 |
rubenwardy |
Yeah |
| 19:34 |
rubenwardy |
look at the bit about what things are important to contributors |
| 19:35 |
rubenwardy |
code of conducts are more important to women by about 10% |
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rubenwardy |
https://i.rubenwardy.com/sdiEr.png |
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rubenwardy |
re contributors/devs: https://opensource.guide/assets/images/building-community/contributor_funnel_mikemcquaid.png |
| 19:43 |
paramat |
sorry , i didn't mean that to sound defeatest, but i can see it can read that way with the 'well ..' |
| 19:44 |
Shara |
I don't really see the gender imbalance as being that large. (It is large in terms of who actually contributes of course) |
| 19:46 |
paramat |
for example 'unresponsiveness' is partly due to lack of dev time, but of course is a big and valid problem |
| 19:47 |
Fixer |
oh nice |
| 19:47 |
Fixer |
please read it |
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paramat |
i wonder how they measured gender imbalance, i assume they are counting core devs |
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rubenwardy |
survey of contributors |
| 19:48 |
rubenwardy |
they contacted random github users essentially |
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paramat |
ah |
| 19:48 |
rubenwardy |
they being github - the survey is by them |
| 19:48 |
Shara |
Both genders seemed to think all the points were important either way. And it could just be that women are more likely to mark surveys with more extreme values :) |
| 19:49 |
rubenwardy |
yeah |
| 19:49 |
Fixer |
"Setting positive expectations of behavior, and addressing negative incidents quickly, can improve contributor retention and collaboration." |
| 19:49 |
Fixer |
we will include automation and mobs in MTG within 5 years |
| 19:49 |
Fixer |
you are welcome |
| 19:50 |
Fixer |
"21% of people who experienced or witnessed a negative behavior said they stopped contributing to a project because of it" |
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paramat |
(?) |
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sofar |
how is it shocking? |
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sofar |
ehm maybe my perspective is off ... Intel has been hammering for years to do better in this space |
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paramat |
i expected it to be a big difference but wasn't expecting 95% to 3% |
| 19:53 |
Fixer |
"When someone new lands on your project, thank them for their interest!" |
| 19:54 |
Fixer |
"Be responsive. If you don’t respond to their issue for a month, chances are, they’ve already forgotten about your project." |
| 19:54 |
sofar |
it's entirely logical that the gap is immense |
| 19:54 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, those are the two big things I got out of it ^^ |
| 19:55 |
sofar |
there's an excess in available technical training amongst men, it's only logical that the amount of developers doing OSS are dominated by males |
| 19:55 |
sofar |
this is what you get when you disproportionally team boys STEM and not girls |
| 19:55 |
Fixer |
i like this https://opensource.guide/ site |
| 19:56 |
rubenwardy |
it's seen as a male thing, so women are put off for multiple reasons. Just a society problem |
| 19:56 |
Fixer |
also very provocative tactic that may save MTG https://felixge.de/2013/03/11/the-pull-request-hack.html |
| 19:56 |
Shara |
Yup. I was actively discouraged from studying sciences by my own teachers at school. Even intentionally excluded from something quite important due to my gender. It happens. |
| 19:56 |
rubenwardy |
same reason there's less nurses and liberal arts |
| 19:56 |
sofar |
I'm actually surprised about how small the gender gap is in some aspects of the survey |
| 19:56 |
Fixer |
actually women was into computers in XX century a lot |
| 19:57 |
Shara |
Also it's not like I've not recieved insults and certain types of behaviour from people within MT due to my gender. |
| 19:58 |
Shara |
I'm just good at not giving a damn about what such people think :) (and sadly many women would run away due to it... I've seen it happen) |
| 19:59 |
paramat |
Fixer 'pull request hack' not for MTG, it's not abandoned |
| 20:00 |
Fixer |
paramat: but you and few more contributors clearly don't have time for full scale development |
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rubenwardy |
it's sad how idiots can ruin it for people |
| 20:01 |
Fixer |
rubenwardy: idiots are people too |
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sofar |
even women can be idiots |
| 20:03 |
sofar |
it's one thing to say that there is a gender gap, it's another thing to say that it's men who are responsible for it |
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paramat |
Fixer, that's not suitable for MTG. new core devs have to be chosen carefully. maybe for a new game though it could work |
| 20:03 |
Fixer |
i would rather shift more into luring more people into engine/mtg dev |
| 20:03 |
sofar |
... it's only men that ... |
| 20:04 |
rubenwardy |
there can be more than one reason, you know |
| 20:04 |
sofar |
to illustrate, some black people were against abolishing slavery in the american civil war conflict |
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sofar |
fixing the gender gap in STEM is going to take decades |
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Fixer |
why we even discuss this? it is not like we discriminate women/men/etc in minetest |
| 20:06 |
sofar |
sometimes it's good to understand the underlying problems and their scale? |
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sfan5 |
<rubenwardy> re contributors/devs: https://opensource.guide/assets/images/building-community/contributor_funnel_mikemcquaid.png |
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sfan5 |
>mikemcquaid |
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sfan5 |
interesting that a guy like this wants to lecture people on how to run FOSS projects |
| 20:24 |
rubenwardy |
!g mikemcquaid |
| 20:24 |
ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: Mike McQuaid | The home page for a software engineer named ... - The home page for a software engineer named Mike McQuaid. </l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fmikemcquaid.com%2F>, McQuade - The New York Times — Who gets to write that. The New York Times — Electoral College. Sunday Review — A Cure For Trumpism </l/?kh=-1&uddg=http%3A%2F%2Fmikemcquade.com%2F>, 70+ Mike Mcquaid (7 more messages) |
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sfan5 |
https://nikolas.github.io/github-drama/, ctrl+f "homebrew" |
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rubenwardy |
yeah, he's an arsehole |
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Calinou_ |
https://mikemcquaid.com/2018/03/19/open-source-maintainers-owe-you-nothing/ |
| 22:02 |
Calinou_ |
this was written in response |
| 22:02 |
Calinou_ |
and, honestly… it's funny because it's true :) |
| 22:14 |
paramat |
yes i somewhat agree with that 'owe you nothing' opinion |
| 22:17 |
paramat |
and some of his twitter posts "Maintainers: don’t try to support every configuration or potential use-case of your software. Doing so will both make your software worse and make you burn out." |
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Fixer |
depends on PR |
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paramat |
in fact, that 'owe you nothing' page is excellent |
| 22:25 |
paramat |
however of course, through our kindness, we do much more than we are obligated to :} |
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Fixer |
it needs balance |
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Fixer |
if you are way into "owe you nothing", people will turn away from project |
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paramat |
yes it shouldn't be expressed unpleasantly of course |
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paramat |
will merge game#2107 in 5 mins |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/2107 -- Ore distribution: Deeper iron, diamond and mese block, tune gold by paramat |
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paramat |
merging |
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paramat |
done |
