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jas_ |
#6537 (updated) works good for me. i'll continue testing and using it. |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6537 -- Bind mouse buttons by samcaulfield |
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nore |
sofar: you might want to have a look at game#1988 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1988 -- Fix furnace being able to cook items without enough fuel. by Ekdohibs |
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Hijiri |
reminder that #6688 is ready for review |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6688 -- Custom particle generators for particle spawners by raymoo |
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rubenwardy |
nice feature |
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Krock |
indeed nice but why do we need almost a new scripting language for the functions? |
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Krock |
Merging #6809 and #6801 in ~10 minutes |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6809 -- Fix scrolling by numberZero |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6801 -- Vector functions: Fix vector.direction() function, improve documentation by paramat |
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sofar |
doesn't it run client-side? |
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sofar |
Hijiri: do the generators run in the client? |
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paramat |
i guess they have to |
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rubenwardy |
it feels like either CSM or a simple RPN parser would be better, but meh |
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rubenwardy |
will look through |
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Krock |
running Lua code in a sandbox would be a fancy thing |
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Krock |
so these algorithms could be loaded like shaders (after receiving from the server) |
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Hijiri |
sofar: yes they do |
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Hijiri |
rubenwardy: I don't know what the RPN parser would be over |
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Hijiri |
over strings? |
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rubenwardy |
yeah, so "sine(time) + numparticles" |
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rubenwardy |
good API |
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rubenwardy |
not so good code |
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Hijiri |
that's not RPN is it? |
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Hijiri |
oh |
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rubenwardy |
RPN parser |
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rubenwardy |
heh |
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Hijiri |
that's not a parser that parses RPN? |
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rubenwardy |
well, it could parse the structure into RPN to be executed by the client |
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rubenwardy |
but at this point you're just reimplementing lua |
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Hijiri |
Isn't that essentially what I am doing now |
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Hijiri |
I mean the turning it into RPN |
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Hijiri |
I don't want to just send Lua code to them |
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Hijiri |
If I had to parse a string I would be reimplementing even more of lua |
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Hijiri |
the bytecode I output is basically machine-readable RP |
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Hijiri |
RPN |
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Hijiri |
If we go with CSM then I would agree it would be more flexible, but this would work without CSM |
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Hijiri |
For CSM to work well for particles it would need a "batch add particle" function to avoid making many C calls to spawn lots of particles |
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rubenwardy |
ah, ok |
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Hijiri |
If server-sent CSM is going in, will it be in by 0.5 release? |
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Hijiri |
normally I would prefer to wait for CSM, but I personally want to use particle effects soon |
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Wuzzy |
Does a Minetest server “know†which Minetest client variant/fork the players use? I'm thinking of those stinky Android forks with adware and stuff |
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rubenwardy |
it gets the version code, not sure about what else |
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Wuzzy |
for exampe, if a player connects via “WorldCraft†(a lame Minetest fork), do I know it's “WorldCraft� |
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rubenwardy |
if version.first > 0, you know it's a fork |
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Wuzzy |
lol. okay |
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rubenwardy |
you can also use remove media - that gets the user agent |
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Wuzzy |
rubenwardy: so MT has an user-agent data field? |
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Wuzzy |
like browsers? |
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rubenwardy |
no |
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red-001 |
we get the version suffix |
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rubenwardy |
HTTP does |
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rubenwardy |
with some leg work you could make a mod that matches up the IPs connected to the server, and the IPs and useragents from the remote media server |
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rubenwardy |
remote media is downloading the media over HTTP |
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Wuzzy |
hmmm sounds like heuristics only |
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Wuzzy |
so as long a fork is sneaky enough its impossible to detect? |
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rubenwardy |
yeah |
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rubenwardy |
the fork can pretend to be Minetest |
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red-001 |
yes |
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Wuzzy |
:( |
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Wuzzy |
alright then |
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Wuzzy |
i am thinking about ways how to educate players that Minetest is The Real Thing (TM), so they stop getting trolled by those crappy android crap |
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Wuzzy |
the day before yesterday one player on JT2 was complaining about an video ad every 10 minutes. :( |
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paramat |
Hijiri server-sent CSM might be coded before 0.5 but will need lots of careful testing before adding, so probably not |
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rubenwardy |
#6816 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6816 -- mainmenu: Fix error if config setting menu_last_game does not name a … by nOOb3167 |
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paramat |
it seems nerz is intending to code server-sent CSM, but he's a bit busy recently |
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rubenwardy |
it's low priority given that there's nothing you can currently do |
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rubenwardy |
well actually it should be done soon so it can be tested |
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sofar |
Wuzzy: entirely doable to send the client messages in-game - would only need a small core modification to make it work |
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Wuzzy |
sofar: i was thinking about a nag screen mod for first-time joiners. see #minetest |
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sofar |
yep |
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Wuzzy |
this mod would not even need and core change. it could be done right now |
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Wuzzy |
or sofar, what was *your* idea? |
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sofar |
I didn't think the client version string is accessible through mods, is it? |
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* Wuzzy |
checks |
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rubenwardy |
no |
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Wuzzy |
sofar: minetest.get_player_information? |
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rubenwardy |
but it's available in the engine on connect |
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rubenwardy |
you can only get the client version in debug mode, iirc |
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Wuzzy |
vers_string... oh crap, its in the !!!DO NOT USE!!! section... XDD |
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sofar |
I would just patch the API to include the data in get_player_information() |
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Wuzzy |
well the forks would then just copy the version number of latest stable. easy as pie. :D |
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Wuzzy |
do we even have a single MT fork on android whih is not proprietary or infested with ads or IAPs? |
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Wuzzy |
besides Freeminer, which is dead |
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sofar |
could easily solve the problem without that being a problem AND learn something from it |
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sofar |
just make a compulsory survey formspec where people have to answer questions like: |
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sofar |
"what platform do you play on? [ android ] [ IOS ] |
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Hijiri |
paramat: ok, I see |
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sofar |
"Do you want to stop viewing advertisments?" |
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sofar |
"You don't mind ads - please tell us why? [ official client controls suck ] [ other ] |
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Wuzzy |
sofar: this question is worded in a way which suggests WE are the one desperate to push ads. ;) |
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Wuzzy |
users will likely just click it away. the instant thought is “ok if i click ‘no’ i'm asked to pay†|
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Wuzzy |
we must be careful not to become an advertisement ourselves ;) |
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sofar |
you can force formspecs .. the wording should obviously be wisely chosen and depends on what you want your players to do in the end |
| 23:48 |
Wuzzy |
in the worst case scenario forks could just replace the server list :/ |
| 23:48 |
Wuzzy |
but it would be an expensive thing to do. i dont know if there are people to go such lengths to destroy MT |
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Hijiri |
I don't think enough people run forked servers for that to work |
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