IRC log for #minetest-dev, 2016-05-04

Time	Nick	Message
00:01	gregorycu	Night
00:02	gregorycu	I have such a clock at work, by the way
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04:25	sofar	are all the bots down?
04:26	sofar	ah no, ShadowBot is up
04:26	sofar	!tell est31 weblate says the entire minetest project is locked, nobody can translate atm?
04:26	ShadowBot	sofar: O.K.
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07:44	nore	~tell ShadowNinja it looks like thread tests still fail on OSX (with recent PRs)
07:44	ShadowBot	nore: O.K.
07:46	nore	#4077 should be complete now, can anyone review?
07:46	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4077 -- Colored chat and other strings by Ekdohibs
08:07	Zeno`	#4072
08:07	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4072 -- Fix holding down F10 (open console) causing GUI to freeze by Zeno-
08:08	Zeno`	nore, you may not be able to freeze your computer (it depends a lot on CPU speed; on my laptop it takes much longer to freeze than on my desktop, but it still does)
08:08	Zeno`	freeze on your*
08:09	Zeno`	once mientest does freeze (before the patch) you will have to alt-tab away from it and kill it using whatever your preferred method is
08:10	Zeno`	knife, axe, with hands... any method is good
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09:41	lisac	Hi nore.
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10:01	lisac	nore?
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10:18	lisac	nore?
10:21	nore	Hey lisac
10:21	lisac	:D
10:21	lisac	I wanted to ask you how'd I color an item description?
10:22	nore	Sorry, was in class, going to eat now
10:22	lisac	Ok.
10:22	nore	Just read the doc :)
10:22	nrzkt	nore: ?
10:22	lisac	I did :D
10:22	nrzkt	nore ?
10:22	lisac	Still, it won't work.
10:22	nrzkt	i think lisac is a nore fanboy :p
10:22	nore	nrzkt ?
10:23	nore	:D
10:23	lisac	2016-05-04 11:58:07: ERROR[Main]: ModError: Failed to load and run script from /home/lisacvuk/.minetest/games/lars/mods/default/init.lua:
10:23	lisac	2016-05-04 11:58:07: ERROR[Main]: ...lisacvuk/.minetest/games/lars/mods/default/nodes.lua:187: attempt to call field 'colorize' (a nil value)
10:23	lisac	Maybe :D
10:23	nore	Try with a s instead of z
10:23	lisac	Ok.
10:23	lisac	2016-05-04 12:23:42: ERROR[Main]: ...lisacvuk/.minetest/games/lars/mods/default/nodes.lua:187: attempt to call field 'colorise' (a nil value)
10:24	nore	Ehm... did you update it?
10:25	lisac	Yes.
10:25	nrzkt	nore i was just doing like lisac, spamming your name :D
10:25	nore	I know, that why I did the same to you :p
10:25	lisac	:D
10:26	lisac	description = core.colorize("#ffffff", "Stone"),
10:28	nore	Ehm... use minetest instead of core maybe
10:28	lisac	Ok.
10:29	lisac	nore: Nope.
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11:08	nore	lisac: minetest.colorize("#00ffff", text)
11:09	nore	and "#ffffff" is white, so if you do this on items, it won't change anything...
11:09	lisac	nore: 2016-05-04 13:09:26: ERROR[Main]: ...lisacvuk/.minetest/games/lars/mods/default/nodes.lua:187: attempt to call field 'colorize' (a nil value)
11:10	nore	ehm... well, I don't get any problem with it
11:10	nore	what happens when you do /help all?
11:10	lisac	moment.
11:11	Zeno`	Added a comment to #4072 to explain, hopefully, why the freeze occurs and the change is needed
11:11	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4072 -- Fix holding down F10 (open console) causing GUI to freeze by Zeno-
11:12	Zeno`	seems a bit overboard, but shrug
11:12	lisac	nore: It only makes the background blue, the text is still white.
11:12	nore	lisac: the background??
11:12	lisac	Yes, behind the chat.
11:13	lisac	Chat's background is blue.
11:13	* nore	rereads the code
11:13	* nore	has no problem
11:14	lisac	I can give you a screenshot.
11:14	lisac	I could also re-download the code, and compile it again.
11:15	nore	could you try to re-download please?
11:16	lisac	Sure. It also changes to white, and then back to blue from time to time.
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11:16	nore	do you have a screenshot too please?
11:16	lisac	Moment, I just deleted it, redownloading.
11:19	lisac	compiling..
11:21	Zeno`	#4072 is again updated with much more straightforward and correct code
11:21	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4072 -- Fix holding down F10 (open console) causing GUI to freeze by Zeno-
11:21	* nore	tests
11:22	nore	I can confirm there is a bug with current versions
11:24	nore	compiling...
11:25	Zeno`	:)
11:27	nore	I can confirm it fixes the bug
11:27	Zeno`	Thanks nore. I'm going to commit it in 15 minutes (roughly) unless there is an objection.
11:28	Zeno`	It will conflict with your PR but it's an easy enough conflict to fix (you only moved the file after all)
11:29	Zeno`	Can you satisfy yourself that the logic is sane and add label? ;)
11:29	nore	ok, push it
11:29	Zeno`	ok cool :)
11:30	nore	and the quicker you push it, the earlier I will be able to fix my pr ;)
11:30	Zeno`	I'll do it now
11:30	nore	btw, have you seen my answer about the =0? what's your opinion on it?
11:31	Zeno`	oh, I agreed that it probably should be left given the reason you gave
11:32	Zeno`	it's just yuck, but your reason makes sense
11:32	Zeno`	pushed
11:32	nore	ok :)
11:33	Zeno`	another problem I have with the =0 instead of NULL is that when scrolling quickly it's possible to misread and think it's a pure virtual function
11:33	Zeno`	but it's not a big deal at all
11:33	nore	yay, git rebased automagically without help :)
11:33	Zeno`	magic!
11:33	nore	indeed
11:33	* nore	checks it still works
11:33	Zeno`	lol
11:34	nore	lisac: what was the result then?
11:34	lisac	It compiled, but I forgot to switch to colored_chat branch....
11:34	nore	works :)
11:34	nore	:D
11:36	Zeno`	I'd be a bit concerned if that change broke it hehehe
11:37	nore	well, what I feared was the git automerge
11:38	nore	that maybe prevented it from compiling
11:38	nore	lisac: so, what do you get now?
11:38	lisac	I'm now trying to get the right branch... I'm sort of new to git aswell.
11:40	lisac	nore: Can you help me? I'm sort of time limited.
11:40	lisac	How do I get the right branch?
11:41	nore	lisac: wget -O - https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/4077.patch \| git am
11:43	lisac	Doesn't work, I'll just clone the right branch.
11:46	nore	~tell paramat I finally retested #2823, the bug is still there
11:46	ShadowBot	nore: O.K.
11:47	nore	Zeno`: what's your opinion on the coloured chat pull btw?
11:47	Zeno`	nore: A small point... the documentation could be a little bit clearer. E.g. `color` is a ColorString ... what is a ColorString?
11:48	nore	it is written above :)
11:48	* Zeno`	looks again
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11:49	Zeno`	I see :)
11:49	Zeno`	lol, I added those names colors
11:49	Zeno`	I should have known
11:49	Zeno`	named*
11:50	nore	:D
11:50	Zeno`	umm, I'm fine with the PR. I have tested and it works as advertised. I have not, however, reviewed enrichedstring.cpp & .h
11:50	nore	ok, thanks :)
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11:54	lisac	nore: Text is colored, but has random background.
11:54	nore	lisac: hm, interesting
11:55	lisac	screenshot incoming.
11:59	nore	~tell lisac could you please try the commit I just added?
11:59	ShadowBot	nore: O.K.
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13:08	PilzAdam	I just noticed that I can dig sandstone brick stairs with my hands; can someone look into that?
13:11	Fixer	you can dig sandstone with your hands
13:12	Fixer	not only stairs
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13:13	PilzAdam	I'm talking about sandstone bricks
13:16	Fixer	PilzAdam, https://i.imgur.com/5Cl7mVL.png
13:17	Fixer	i guess I need to file a bug
13:18	Fixer	i was thinking about that too
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13:40	Fixer	PilzAdam, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1071
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14:43	Zeno`	Fixer, I think you should
14:43	Zeno`	will be easy enough to fix as well
14:47	Fixer	Zeno`, already did this ^
14:48	Zeno`	heh
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16:02	sofar	I certainly could see that we make the sandstone bricks all not diggable by hand
16:03	sofar	I actually don't mind that sandstone is diggable by hand
16:12	paramat	nor do i
16:14	paramat	could make it crumbly = 1, and bricks cracky = 3
16:15	Zeno`	?
16:15	Zeno`	bricks are hard
16:15	Zeno`	I can't break them effectively using just my hands
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16:16	paramat	stone brick is cracky = 2, was thinking of making sandstone brick softer than that, maybe not
16:16	Zeno`	then again I can't chop down trees with my hand either
16:16	Zeno`	even though I used to be a ninja
16:16	sofar	:)
16:16	sofar	kung fu panda!
16:16	Zeno`	heh :D
16:16	johnnyjoy	Sandstone brittle, but not easy to break with hands at all.
16:17	Zeno`	I think the report though is focusing on the fact that they're not consisten
16:17	Zeno`	t
16:17	Fixer	!tell gregorycu any progress on https://github.com/gregorycu/minetest/commits/Jitter ?
16:17	ShadowBot	Fixer: O.K.
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16:19	PilzAdam	paramat, the cracky rating should sort nodes into rough categories; if you only think about toughness then use the level group
16:19	Zeno`	ShadowNinja, fix your bot. Ok (ok, OK, okay) are not an abbreviation :p
16:19	Zeno`	It annoys me and makes me want to smash my monitor :(
16:19	PilzAdam	paramat, so all bricks get cracky=2; if stone is harder than sandstone then it should have a higher level
16:20	paramat	ok
16:20	Zeno`	lol
16:20	PilzAdam	Zeno`, just chill, o.k.
16:20	Zeno`	oh dear
16:20	* Zeno`	looks at PilzAdam
16:21	paramat	crumbly = 1 ok for sandstone PA? eventually diggable by hand
16:21	PilzAdam	dunno; I don't know the common group ratings of mt_game off the top of my head
16:22	paramat	no prob will make PR
16:22	Zeno`	P.R.
16:22	hmmmm	sandstone brick shouldn't be diggable by hand though
16:23	hmmmm	sand can be very strong when set
16:23	Zeno`	hmmmm, that's what I think the issue report is suggesting
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16:23	Zeno`	(and which I agree with)
16:23	hmmmm	i think these kind of small parameter/texture changes are distracting from the bigger issues of mtgame
16:24	Zeno`	hmmmm, maybe. But they must be consistent at least. From the issue report it looks like not all bricks are equal
16:25	paramat	sure, sandbrick will be cracky = 2 and not crumbly at all
16:25	Zeno`	paramat, why should half height sandbrick be different?
16:25	Zeno`	to full height sandbrick?
16:25	sofar	it shouldn't
16:25	sofar	bricks/stairs should act the same
16:26	sofar	and slabs
16:26	paramat	yeah the same
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16:29	paramat	hmmmm if you can bear to do this, could you look at l-system implementation for any obvious mistakes? it causes lighting bugs #3421
16:29	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3421 -- L-system lighting bug
16:29	Zeno`	isn't that what the report is saying? That they're not the same?
16:29	paramat	however that may be due to updateLighting, nasty
16:29	Fixer	famous shadow bugz
16:31	paramat	l-system causes subtle shadows in water, which may have been missed when it was merged
16:31	Fixer	btw, just random look at stutter today (exposed with torch mod that updates lighting below player): https://imgur.com/ypGwowQ
16:31	Fixer	paramat, don't forget placing water sources in ocean will make them darker bug %)
16:31	Fixer	by 1 level iirc
16:32	paramat	github will remember for me
16:32	paramat	walking light is a heavy mod, lots of lighting updates
16:33	Zeno`	I did a lot of experiments with l-system and didn't notice any lighting issues; is it new?
16:33	Fixer	yes, but look how much it takes to update it once :/
16:33	Zeno`	or being called in a different way?
16:33	Fixer	bumped gregorycu about that jitter commit, maybe he will look again at it
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16:36	paramat	Zeno maybe new. VanessaE can you remember if those subtle shadows in water caused by l-system have been around a long time?
16:37	paramat	the extreme shadows are caused by mgv7 etc, any mapgen with 1-up overgeneration
16:38	paramat	(so not mgv6)
16:38	Zeno`	about a year ago (IIRC) there was a change to l-system to handle stuff when it crossed chunk borders
16:38	Zeno`	maybe related, I dunno
16:39	Zeno`	l-system was causing (before the fix) crazy huge chunks of random nodes if the top extended above the top of a block
16:39	paramat	oh that
16:39	Zeno`	I remember the bug reports because some of them looked kinda cool
16:40	paramat	could be, overgeneration acts at y = 47/48
16:41	paramat	the water shadows may be a seperate issue
16:41	Zeno`	just throwing out random ideas :)
16:41	Zeno`	ideas/thoughts
16:42	paramat	the extreme dark shadows only happen when the mapchunk above is not yet generated
16:42	paramat	so rarely, because l-system is meant to be used after mapgen
16:43	paramat	moretrees uses it during mapgen so causes dark shadows
16:44	Fixer	paramat, btw, why not than load it in order, so black shadows not appear (noob question)
16:45	paramat	that's hacky. it should be more robust
16:46	Warr1024	heh, that's not hacky. http://gitlab.com/sztest/szutilpack/blob/master/sz_fixhack/init.lua is hacky.
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16:58	Zeno`	I think a spider bited me
16:59	Zeno`	Hard to tell but the blister-like things on my arm are suspicious
16:59	Zeno`	either the spider or bubonic plague I guess
17:00	sofar	are you in australia?
17:00	Zeno`	I am
17:00	sofar	if so, you're probably dead
17:00	Zeno`	oh great
17:01	Zeno`	I probably got bitten by a highly venomous spider that was also carrying bubonic plague
17:01	Zeno`	it's all good though; I suppose
17:01	sofar	thank god I live in the US. Worst thing I've seen on my property where we're building is just a black bear
17:02	* Zeno`	wonders if bears are good to eat
17:02	sofar	absolutely
17:02	Zeno`	nice!
17:02	Zeno`	Spiders don't taste nice
17:02	Zeno`	well, apparently tarantula do
17:03	Zeno`	but I haven't eaten one of them
17:24	ShadowNinja	Zeno`: It may be an abreviation of "oll korrect" according to http://grammarist.com/spelling/ok-okay/
17:25	Fixer	how you are supposed to eat tarantula? smallest thing i eat was pigeon
17:27	Zeno`	Fixer, I think you fry them... not sure
17:30	Calinou	smelt them in a furance
17:30	Zeno`	ShadowNinja, I have heard that hypothesis before, but ok, thanks
17:32	sofar	Fixer: never had shrimp?
17:33	Fixer	oh, ofc yes, forgot about that, pain in the ***
17:33	Fixer	i want shrimp but huge one
17:36	Fixer	lobster should be nice, but never tasted it
17:36	Zeno`	it's more than nice
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19:01	lisac	nore: Sorry for leaving like that, I was late for school.
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19:04	lisac	nore: It works now!
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19:06	lisac	\|tell
19:07	lisac	\|later
19:07	lisac	\| tell
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20:09	lisac	nore
20:09	lisac	nore
20:09	lisac	nore
20:09	nore	yes?
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20:21	paramat	updated game#1065 back to half coverage
20:21	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1065 -- Default: Lower grass_side and snow_side textures by paramat
20:35	MillersMan	is there a way to generate world chunks in a specific order? i need a repeatable generation process to get meaningful statistics
20:38	Fixer	devs seem away right now, they will answer that for sure when will be near computer
20:42	MillersMan	i think i can speed-up map-gen's updateLiquid to to be still around 30ms and only around 70 trans_liquid adds per chunk
20:43	Fixer	MillersMan, nice, have you looked at that flow interruption for few blocks I mentioned?
20:43	paramat	erm
20:44	MillersMan	Fixer, I have them observed myself too, but i don't have an idea what might be causing them
20:44	Fixer	MillersMan, my idea, middle mapchunk loaded last, so below chunk will go down and upper will reflow, maybe this?
20:45	MillersMan	it looks like some blocks aren't added at all, sometimes
20:45	paramat	you could teleport the player to specific locations in sequence
20:45	paramat	using a mod
20:46	MillersMan	paramat, is there already such a mod?
20:46	paramat	yeah hang on ..
20:47	paramat	https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2950 will need editing
20:48	paramat	that flow interruption doesn't bother me as long as it eventually returns to being a complete column
20:48	VanessaE	paramat: I don't know how long the more subtle shadows triggered by moretrees have been around.
20:49	paramat	ok. i might bisect it just before the last code change
20:52	VanessaE	regarding game 1065, tobyplowy's suggestion to extend the grass-side texture to reach all the way down the node if there's grass adjacent is a really good idea.
20:52	VanessaE	you could just use the grass top texture in that instance.
20:54	VanessaE	(that way no new textures need be drawn)
20:55	VanessaE	c1ffisme's suggestion that it be done as a separate drawtype applied only to grass/savanna grass/snow has merit.
20:57	VanessaE	it would certainly solve your core problem of making grassy(etc) slopes look more grassy on the X/Z sides :)
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21:08	Fixer	kahrl, can you look at this now? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4051
21:08	Fixer	kahrl, chat scroll
21:12	lisac	nore: It works now.
21:12	* VanessaE	pokes paramat
21:12	nore	Ok, good
21:14	paramat	VE yeah, worth considering
21:14	VanessaE	good. :)
21:16	paramat	although i might prefer a simple texture solution, no drawtype processing needed for the large amounts of surface nodes present
21:16	VanessaE	it's the best way to achieve the effect you're trying to get by messing with the "size" of the side texture
21:17	VanessaE	besides, it's not like the "processing" needed to handle such a drawtype would even be measurable anyway
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21:22	paramat	well if you consider how many surface nodes are visible for much of the time, it will be significant, and mesh generation is our bottleneck
21:23	VanessaE	yeah but the same would apply to ANY new drawtype that gets added, like with those connected nodeboxes.
21:23	paramat	i'm not sure it would be worth it when the simple solution still looks good
21:23	VanessaE	the majority of the "processing" associated with any new drawtype is in the decision-making code
21:23	sofar	does anyone except est31 have an idea what is up with weblate? all translations have been locked for 24h now - bad timing just after freeze
21:24	sofar	I've left a msg for est31, but he seems occupied
21:24	VanessaE	the amount of time it would take to actually render the node after you get past the decision tree (a case statement I assume?) would be trivial
21:25	VanessaE	sofar: no idea there.
21:25	paramat	indeed i'm not knowledgeable about the impact
21:25	VanessaE	why not just try it and benchmark the results?
21:25	VanessaE	that's the only way to be sure, short of nuking it from orbit anyway
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21:36	VanessaE	paramat: that aside, the "longer" side texture as proposed does seem attractive. I say, do both.
21:37	paramat	am happy you like it
21:37	VanessaE	yeah imagine that, for once I don't dislike one of your proposed textures :D
21:49	sofar	I'm totally fine with the longer side. do it.
21:50	VanessaE	paramat: I'd say you have enough +1's for your textures now.
21:55	paramat	waiting for reviews by game devs
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22:15	Wayward_One	#200 doesn't seem to be a problem any more
22:15	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/200 -- clouds appear in front of water
22:28	Calinou	maybe it was fixed with the addition of use_texture_alpha
22:31	Fixer	btw, I've asked RBA to fix water before fog bug and he did fix it, maybe this is it
22:33	paramat	please can anyone with android confirm #4086 fixes 2122 and 1454?
22:33	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4086 -- Fix locked hardware buttons on Android by MoNTE48
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22:52	Wayward1	paramat, I'll test it when I get home
22:53	paramat	thanks!
22:53	Wayward1	Yw :)
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23:30	paramat	game#1075
23:30	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1075 -- Stairs/default: Make sandstone(brick) groups consistent by paramat
23:40	sofar	so crumbly implies diggable by hand?
23:58	paramat	think so, like dirt or sand
23:58	paramat	game#1076
23:58	ShadowBot	https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1076 -- Fire: Override coalblock to support a permanent flame by paramat

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