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Wayward_Tab |
The minimap doesn't seem to work for android atm. I just git pulled and built, and added the respective lines to minetest.conf, to no avail. |
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sloantothebone |
Hello, is there any way to improve the android interface? I dont like it |
| 01:37 |
sloantothebone |
You cant shoot bows frequently, or anything else |
| 02:18 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: as long as you're on a bugfix crusade, can you PLEASE fix the player-gets-deleted bug? |
| 02:20 |
VanessaE |
my creative server is getting increasingly hard to sign onto because of it |
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paramat |
making ignore walkable does not help issue #2702 so we are still looking for a fix for item-entities and falling-node-entities falling throough world base and becoming stuck as unretrievable entities |
| 04:40 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2702 -- Bottom of the world weirdness |
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hmmmm |
hey, est didn't get a second +1 for the last commit |
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paramat |
savanna is added to biomesdev. next i will add |
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paramat |
oops.. |
| 05:16 |
paramat |
.. a 'polar icecap' glacier biome |
| 05:18 |
paramat |
due to more biomes i will increase heat and humidity spreads to 1024, as of course a hacky temporary thing |
| 05:19 |
paramat |
and allow rainforest trees to spawn in shallow water to create swampland |
| 05:22 |
hmmmm |
in fact you know what, I'm really not happy with est's latest commit |
| 05:23 |
hmmmm |
there could be a very harmful effect of removing the sleep() from the mesh generation thread |
| 05:24 |
paramat |
naughty est! |
| 05:25 |
hmmmm |
although mesh generation would become faster overall, this has the bad effect of adding much more latency to other threads |
| 05:26 |
hmmmm |
i wouldn't be surprised if master HEAD has a lag regression problem (as if the most recent rendering regression wasn't enough) |
| 05:30 |
hmmmm |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/29dda9f356042c403b3b7da1d717d32b45c9b6de#diff-7f3a3ff3a2c9b903da668a4598f5f8bbR260 |
| 05:30 |
hmmmm |
this could lead to consumer starvation |
| 05:30 |
hmmmm |
not to mention numerous code style violations |
| 05:39 |
paramat |
will push later #2858 |
| 05:39 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2858 -- Biome API: Increase heat and humidity noise spreads to 1000 by paramat |
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paramat |
now pushing 2858 |
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paramat |
complete |
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RealBadAngel |
0.4.13 is coming... https://xkcd.com/1532/ |
| 07:43 |
VanessaE |
hah |
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Krock |
xD |
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nrzkt |
Hello, RealBadAngel: great work on minimap, and thanks for fixing the Clang issue before merging :) |
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kilbith |
sfan5, if you have a moment : https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/548 |
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RealBadAngel |
Krock, here? |
| 12:13 |
Krock |
afaik, yes |
| 12:13 |
RealBadAngel |
hehe, have some time? i would like to fix yours shaders issue |
| 12:14 |
Krock |
sure |
| 12:15 |
Taoki |
RealBadAngel: Any news on the VBO pull request? |
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Krock |
RealBadAngel, how exactly can I help you? |
| 12:16 |
RealBadAngel |
Taoki, will make a PR candidate today propably |
| 12:16 |
Taoki |
Awesome :) |
| 12:17 |
nrzkt |
Taoki: What is VBO ? |
| 12:17 |
kilbith |
nrzkt, https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertex_Buffer_Object |
| 12:17 |
Taoki |
nrzkt: A technique to cache geometry on the video card memory, to avoid the CPU streaming it each frame. It improves FPS a lot! |
| 12:18 |
Taoki |
BTW: There are two other similar techniques... I'm not sure if we could use these as well. VAO (Vertex Array Objects) and FBO (Frame Buffer Objects) |
| 12:18 |
kilbith |
Taoki, it doesn't cache only the geometry |
| 12:18 |
Taoki |
Does Irrlicht have these? Do they work alright with Minetest? |
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RealBadAngel |
VBO stores vertices and indices of the object |
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* Taoki |
nods |
| 12:22 |
nrzkt |
And irrlicht doesn't do it natively ? :( |
| 12:22 |
nrzkt |
Thanks for the explanation |
| 12:22 |
Taoki |
nrzkt: It does. It just needs to be enabled. And for Minetest that had some issues |
| 12:23 |
Taoki |
Namely high memory usage. Which was difficult to fix, hence why it took so long. |
| 12:23 |
nrzkt |
oh i see, what are the issues ? |
| 12:23 |
Taoki |
^ |
| 12:23 |
nrzkt |
okay ! |
| 12:23 |
Taoki |
:) |
| 12:24 |
Taoki |
Seems RBA found that magical cure to it at last. Very curious to test it, hope there will be a PR tonight |
| 12:24 |
Taoki |
And that it won't take ages to accept, heh |
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nrzkt |
i will review it faster if it's a good improvement :) |
| 13:04 |
RealBadAngel |
improvement is good, but we dont know yet what is the reason for memory leaks |
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nrzkt |
do you use valgrind ? |
| 14:01 |
RealBadAngel |
im not familiar with it |
| 14:01 |
blaise |
valgrind is nice |
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nrzkt |
launch minetest with valgrind --tool=callgrind in debug mode |
| 14:18 |
nrzkt |
then use kcachegrind to read valgrind logs with a great QT interface :) |
| 14:19 |
nrzkt |
callgrind is for calls sorry, you need memory checks. Valgrind talk about it directly but it can trace in logs too |
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nrzkt |
est31: sorry cannot i'm at work :) |
| 16:00 |
est31 |
ok |
| 16:00 |
est31 |
you +1ed that PR nrzkt ? |
| 16:01 |
est31 |
last time I understood you wrongly |
| 16:01 |
est31 |
therefore I ask now |
| 16:06 |
nrzkt |
yes :p |
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| 16:27 |
est31 |
seems somebody is abusing our name: http://www.1mobile.com/developer/minetest-mobile-llc.html |
| 16:28 |
est31 |
but as its no trademark, we cant do anything |
| 16:28 |
Calinou |
ask celeron55 about it |
| 16:28 |
Calinou |
he can probably DMCA due to lack of source code |
| 16:29 |
kilbith |
nrzkt can do it too |
| 16:30 |
est31 |
they say its 0.4.11-dev |
| 16:31 |
est31 |
so depending on whether nrz has copyright on that yet or not he can |
| 16:32 |
est31 |
nrzkt, did you upload the minetest apk to 1mobile market too? |
| 16:32 |
est31 |
http://www.1mobile.com/minetest-2671770.html |
| 16:32 |
est31 |
or was it them, scraping play store |
| 16:32 |
est31 |
most likely them: "Minetest is now available officially on the Google Play Store" |
| 16:33 |
est31 |
man this is scary |
| 16:33 |
est31 |
lets hope there is no adware included |
| 16:37 |
est31 |
you know like that story with sf.net and gimp |
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kilbith |
should the PRs updating language translations (eg. japanese, turkish) that nobody understands here be merged exceptionnally after one +1 ? |
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| 17:15 |
VanessaE |
kilbith: sounds reasonable to me. |
| 17:16 |
VanessaE |
if there's something wrong, literally no one will be able to see it until someone who speaks that language shows up. |
| 17:22 |
kilbith |
someone can adds insanities furtively to the game as well :/ |
| 17:23 |
kilbith |
we can't check that |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
remember in Minecraft, the "You are a NIGGER" singleplayer button in Afrikaans? :D |
| 17:23 |
VanessaE |
good point. |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
such things happened very often, like in every snapshot |
| 17:23 |
Calinou |
I think they eventually stopped crowdsourcing translations due to that |
| 17:31 |
VanessaE |
nrzkt: that patch you and ets just approved didn't fix any errors, it rather seems to have introduced new ones. |
| 17:32 |
VanessaE |
est* |
| 17:32 |
kilbith |
wat |
| 17:32 |
VanessaE |
http://pastebin.com/jxhkDEWc |
| 17:32 |
VanessaE |
all I did was single-click on a world in my main, singleplayer menu. |
| 17:32 |
VanessaE |
minetest_game was selected. |
| 17:33 |
VanessaE |
sorry, kilbith. :) |
| 17:34 |
kilbith |
indeed, can reproduce it |
| 17:35 |
VanessaE |
kilbith: hours wasted? ;) |
| 17:35 |
kilbith |
likely a silly mistake |
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est31 |
hmmmm, you there? |
| 17:42 |
est31 |
whats exactly your problem with the thread commit? |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
est31: see logs also. that last menu commit broke. |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
http://pastebin.com/jxhkDEWc |
| 17:43 |
est31 |
I've got two +1 (except me) one from nrz one from rba |
| 17:43 |
kilbith |
she talks about the latest commit |
| 17:44 |
est31 |
yes and I talk about my thread commit |
| 17:44 |
est31 |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2015-06-30#i_4303764 |
| 17:45 |
est31 |
so kilbith you have a fix? |
| 17:45 |
kilbith |
not yet, you should revert it |
| 17:46 |
kilbith |
it's probably silly error |
| 17:46 |
est31 |
ok then I have a look at it |
| 17:46 |
kilbith |
weird, it worked fine why i tested earlier |
| 17:46 |
kilbith |
i could entering in the world and so on |
| 17:47 |
est31 |
but that error screen is cool at least |
| 17:47 |
est31 |
yea in fact it was intentional |
| 17:47 |
est31 |
only to showcase which cool errorscreen we have |
| 17:47 |
est31 |
lol jk# |
| 17:48 |
kilbith |
i could fix it now but in deleting the loop |
| 17:48 |
kilbith |
but it's more redundant |
| 17:48 |
est31 |
erm ok it makes sense it crashes |
| 17:49 |
est31 |
also the names of the functions are a bit bad for understanding what they do |
| 17:49 |
est31 |
what should menu_worldmt_legacy do |
| 17:49 |
kilbith |
i'd prefer any help than rushing on a revert, though |
| 17:50 |
kilbith |
you have a better idea for the naming ? |
| 17:50 |
est31 |
what is the .. "" for? |
| 17:50 |
kilbith |
it needs to sends "creative_mode", not creative_mode |
| 17:51 |
kilbith |
with the commas |
| 17:51 |
kilbith |
ah got it, fixed |
| 17:52 |
est31 |
ermm |
| 17:52 |
est31 |
"" stands for "\"" |
| 17:53 |
est31 |
? |
| 17:53 |
kilbith |
a missing param in the function that needed to be sent |
| 17:53 |
kilbith |
no |
| 17:53 |
est31 |
thats a very weird thing |
| 17:54 |
kilbith |
it works like that |
| 17:54 |
est31 |
thats a very weird thing |
| 17:54 |
est31 |
err |
| 17:54 |
est31 |
sorry |
| 17:54 |
kilbith |
i'm sending the patch |
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| 17:58 |
est31 |
I have a fix too, we can compare them then https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/ca7b79258411fe2db5276c564b0d8732e95e158f |
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| 18:00 |
kilbith |
est31 : https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2860 |
| 18:00 |
est31 |
kilbith, there are other problems too. |
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| 18:02 |
kilbith |
which ones ? |
| 18:02 |
est31 |
for example, you do local mode = |
| 18:02 |
est31 |
and so on |
| 18:02 |
kilbith |
i confirm, no need those .."" |
| 18:02 |
est31 |
it should be renamed |
| 18:02 |
kilbith |
your partch is better |
| 18:02 |
kilbith |
patch |
| 18:02 |
est31 |
then those .."" |
| 18:02 |
est31 |
and you do if mode then |
| 18:02 |
est31 |
what about mode = false? |
| 18:02 |
kilbith |
wait, i close my PR then |
| 18:03 |
est31 |
then I push that fix in 10 minutes |
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| 18:03 |
kilbith |
ok thanks |
| 18:03 |
est31 |
looking at other parts of the code to improve |
| 18:04 |
kilbith |
i don't understand mode = false |
| 18:04 |
kilbith |
mode is just an iterator to the table |
| 18:04 |
est31 |
in menu_worldmt() |
| 18:04 |
est31 |
you do return world_conf:get(setting) |
| 18:04 |
est31 |
so when that happens, everything is finr |
| 18:05 |
kilbith |
there's no `mode` in that function |
| 18:05 |
est31 |
and you will have to do core.setting_set(mode_name, mode_val) |
| 18:05 |
est31 |
but imagine if world_conf:get(setting) returns false |
| 18:05 |
kilbith |
ok, so it's just miss a statement with return nil then |
| 18:05 |
est31 |
then you do local mode_val = menu_worldmt(selected, mode_name) |
| 18:05 |
est31 |
and then mode_val == false |
| 18:05 |
est31 |
then, in if mode_val then |
| 18:05 |
est31 |
then you will chose the second part |
| 18:06 |
est31 |
menu_worldmt(selected, mode_name, core.setting_get(mode_name)) |
| 18:06 |
est31 |
which is wrong |
| 18:06 |
est31 |
therefore the check has to be if mode_val ~= nil then |
| 18:07 |
kilbith |
if mode_val then is as correct as if mode_val ~= nil then |
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| 18:08 |
kilbith |
same statement |
| 18:08 |
est31 |
no |
| 18:08 |
est31 |
what about mode_val == false? |
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est31 |
newest version now https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/ca7b79258411fe2db5276c564b0d8732e95e158f |
| 18:10 |
kilbith |
dunno, i never used the ~= nil in my statements |
| 18:10 |
est31 |
err sorry |
| 18:10 |
est31 |
https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/29b0dc89e6789bce8663b74feeb32f1961a784d7 |
| 18:10 |
est31 |
^thats it |
| 18:10 |
est31 |
forgot push |
| 18:12 |
kilbith |
lgtm |
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| 18:15 |
est31 |
hmmmm, would have been nice if you gave examples for the style violations |
| 18:15 |
est31 |
of course I did while (statement) do_something: |
| 18:15 |
est31 |
I admit to be guilty of that crime |
| 18:15 |
est31 |
also for the if later on |
| 18:17 |
est31 |
but otherwise, I see nothing |
| 18:23 |
est31 |
but perhaps I should have said "set the semaphore back to 0" instead of this comment: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/29dda9f356042c403b3b7da1d717d32b45c9b6de#diff-7f3a3ff3a2c9b903da668a4598f5f8bbR259 |
| 18:24 |
est31 |
"Set the semaphore counter to 0, just in case doUpdate() is expensive when nothing has to be done" |
| 18:25 |
est31 |
I have changed both use cases to live with the "update" model |
| 18:25 |
est31 |
here, every iteration of the outer loop is just one "update" |
| 18:25 |
est31 |
so that its not so close to the queue model the threads embrace |
| 18:26 |
est31 |
just to avoid confusion |
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| 19:05 |
est31 |
pushing fix for #2836 https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/842579eb8c31e6a5d4fb3a56413380b11b7252b7 |
| 19:05 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2836 -- [Esc] does not close the in-game keybinding menu |
| 19:05 |
est31 |
in 5 minutes |
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est31 |
5 minutes till merge https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/370a33686ac6ce731c989bcd513aa351666ab5ae |
| 19:21 |
est31 |
after kilbith has brought up the "single core dev agree" point on translation PRs, I have got an idea for how to do it |
| 19:22 |
RealBadAngel |
you will send the translation to proper embassy for verification? |
| 19:22 |
est31 |
what ahout doing a "maintainer" based system, where people can volunteer to be maintainers for one or multiple languages. If two of the maintainers agree (excluding the original one :p) |
| 19:23 |
est31 |
and one core dev has checked for abuse with google translate |
| 19:23 |
est31 |
then it can be merged |
| 19:23 |
est31 |
we could track the maintainers with github teams |
| 19:23 |
kilbith |
that'll be hard to gather minimum 2 maintainers on some languages... |
| 19:23 |
kilbith |
but ok for german, spanish and french |
| 19:23 |
est31 |
ok two or all of the maintainers |
| 19:24 |
est31 |
so they can be pinged e.g. by @minetest/i10n-de |
| 19:24 |
est31 |
@minetest/i10n-cn |
| 19:25 |
kilbith |
nobody joins too specialized channels |
| 19:25 |
est31 |
no irc channels |
| 19:25 |
est31 |
github teams |
| 19:25 |
est31 |
https://github.com/orgs/minetest/teams |
| 19:25 |
kilbith |
ah, yes |
| 19:25 |
est31 |
perhaps we should make a new group account |
| 19:26 |
est31 |
not minetest, but minetest-i10n |
| 19:26 |
est31 |
what do people like celeron55 or others think? |
| 19:29 |
est31 |
requirement for maintainer are github account and that you vote or comment on PRs within 7 days |
| 19:29 |
est31 |
within 7 days after being pinged |
| 19:29 |
kilbith |
and have >16 years old if it was possible to check |
| 19:30 |
est31 |
yea they should know the language to a well enough level |
| 19:30 |
RealBadAngel |
est31, m_blocks_cache is no longer public |
| 19:30 |
RealBadAngel |
you can update issue |
| 19:31 |
est31 |
which commit RealBadAngel ? |
| 19:32 |
est31 |
RealBadAngel, its still not private |
| 19:32 |
RealBadAngel |
damn, i moved the code that flushes it to proper place, but forgot just to change variable to private |
| 19:32 |
RealBadAngel |
lmao |
| 19:32 |
est31 |
heh |
| 19:33 |
est31 |
then move it, push it (its trivial fix) and I update |
| 19:33 |
est31 |
the issue |
| 19:33 |
RealBadAngel |
i do have now little time to do so |
| 19:34 |
RealBadAngel |
i could do that tommorow, if you can do it today, just do it |
| 19:34 |
est31 |
ok |
| 19:35 |
est31 |
https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/9e3e6dc5ec8ea63d65c635fcac0c80e0cd0e666d |
| 19:35 |
est31 |
RealBadAngel, ^ |
| 19:36 |
RealBadAngel |
yup |
| 19:37 |
RealBadAngel |
btw, i was fighting with shaders code and opengl 2.1 |
| 19:37 |
RealBadAngel |
i just learned that there are instruction limits for shaders code |
| 19:37 |
RealBadAngel |
and ALL the loops are uncoditinally unrolled by compiler |
| 19:37 |
RealBadAngel |
pretty funny, eh? |
| 19:37 |
est31 |
lol |
| 19:38 |
RealBadAngel |
thats why parallax wont work on opengl 2.1 |
| 19:38 |
RealBadAngel |
at least relief version |
| 19:38 |
RealBadAngel |
max nr of iterations i could get was 4 |
| 19:39 |
RealBadAngel |
why circa 20 is needed for good lookin |
| 19:39 |
RealBadAngel |
*ehen |
| 19:39 |
RealBadAngel |
when |
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| 19:40 |
est31 |
so RealBadAngel what do you think of that proposal |
| 19:41 |
RealBadAngel |
idea is ok, but imho no need for channel, opened issue each time new translation goes in should be enough |
| 19:42 |
est31 |
no channel but github teams https://github.com/orgs/minetest/teams |
| 19:42 |
RealBadAngel |
yeah yeah, i mean no group needed |
| 19:42 |
est31 |
so you mean every language should have a github issue? |
| 19:43 |
RealBadAngel |
same as in case of every other PR |
| 19:43 |
RealBadAngel |
once new translation gets merged you close it |
| 19:43 |
est31 |
yea but how to ping all maintainer |
| 19:43 |
est31 |
s |
| 19:44 |
RealBadAngel |
no idea |
| 19:44 |
est31 |
they shouldnt have to monitor the open prs |
| 19:44 |
kilbith |
e-mail ? |
| 19:44 |
est31 |
when we have teams, they have no further access |
| 19:44 |
kilbith |
*mailing list |
| 19:45 |
kahrl |
my opinion is that we should bring back weblate |
| 19:47 |
est31 |
why was it canceled? |
| 19:47 |
kahrl |
xyz stopped maintaining it |
| 19:49 |
Calinou |
if you do, install the latest version, it comes with a nicer interface |
| 19:51 |
est31 |
kahrl, thats an even better idea |
| 19:52 |
est31 |
btw if nobody wants to host it, weblate.org has free hosting for open source projects |
| 19:52 |
Calinou |
it seems they take a lot of time to reply to requests |
| 19:54 |
kahrl |
yeah I sent a request at some point, but I didn't get a response (although it might have gotten eaten by the spam filter) |
| 19:54 |
est31 |
where you know from Calinou |
| 19:54 |
Calinou |
I just heard that somewhere |
| 19:55 |
kahrl |
perhaps it'd work if we follow up the request with bugging nijel in #weblate :) |
| 19:55 |
est31 |
hehe |
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| 19:59 |
est31 |
should I send a new request? |
| 20:00 |
kahrl |
sure |
| 20:03 |
est31 |
ok, sent |
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