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paramat |
now pushing 539 to game |
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paramat |
complete. a long overdue job, many were incorrect |
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paramat |
will push this fix for mgv6 soon https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2799 'Mgv6: Don't create air gap in tundra at y = 48 in custom high terrain' |
| 02:21 |
nolsen |
I'm not sure if my computer decided to be retarded, but h and / isn't working on minetest. |
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est31 |
pushing a small list-ring fix |
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est31 |
listring[] gives an error, but still works |
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est31 |
I'll remove the error message |
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hmmmm |
est31: I'll have a look at the wiki page you set up |
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hmmmm |
paramat: adds 0.6 seconds to generation time??? |
| 02:49 |
VanessaE |
milliseconds. |
| 02:49 |
hmmmm |
that's a bit more than i expected... what kind of hardware do you have and are you compiling as release? also I'm just curious, how much of a difference do noisemaps have? |
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hmmmm |
you said that point polling is indeed faster than using a noise map in this case, i would have guessed they'd be around the same in terms of execution speed |
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paramat |
hi |
| 02:53 |
paramat |
0.6 ms. hardware is intel core i5 4670T 2.3GHz x 4. i didn't profile the noisemap method |
| 02:54 |
paramat |
point polling adds 0.6ms compared to no biome blend |
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hmmmm |
oh... |
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paramat |
seems well worth it |
| 02:56 |
hmmmm |
well try both! |
| 02:56 |
paramat |
that's 2 noises with 2 octaves each |
| 02:56 |
hmmmm |
what if I was wrong and there's a huge improvement with noise maps |
| 02:56 |
paramat |
oh man, i would have to recode the noisemap method |
| 02:57 |
hmmmm |
? |
| 02:57 |
hmmmm |
takes 5 seconds |
| 02:57 |
paramat |
okay |
| 02:57 |
hmmmm |
try in mapgen v5 alone |
| 02:57 |
hmmmm |
lines 340, 341, just comment out NoisePerlin2D(... |
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paramat |
after i push 2799, which i'll do now |
| 02:58 |
hmmmm |
and add in noise_biome_heat_blend->result[i] and so on |
| 02:58 |
hmmmm |
what the heck |
| 02:58 |
hmmmm |
oh that's ugly |
| 02:58 |
hmmmm |
yeah looks good to me |
| 02:58 |
paramat |
maybe someday i'll manage to fix y = 47 bugs in mgv6, difficult though |
| 02:59 |
hmmmm |
:S |
| 02:59 |
hmmmm |
i should probably do some minetest coding tonight |
| 03:00 |
paramat |
and yes trying noisemaps again is not much work =) |
| 03:00 |
hmmmm |
anyway yeah. so to convert to noisemaps it's really as simple as commenting out a function call, adding an array access, then commenting out lines 79 and 80, replacing them with noise_heat_blend = ... |
| 03:01 |
hmmmm |
and then adding Noise *noise_biome_heat_blend; and so on in the .h |
| 03:01 |
hmmmm |
that's 3 modifications |
| 03:01 |
paramat |
yes |
| 03:01 |
hmmmm |
how did you profile it the last time btw? |
| 03:02 |
paramat |
using the profiler in us mode, the code is already there commented out, just timed the loop that adds in the blend variation |
| 03:04 |
paramat |
est just pushed something to an unrelated file, is it essential for me to rebase? my pull is 1 commit behind |
| 03:04 |
hmmmm |
not unless you're pushing it to upstream |
| 03:05 |
paramat |
ah i am, okay will do |
| 03:06 |
paramat |
oh maybe it's not upstream actually since it's modifying what was before latest commit |
| 03:06 |
hmmmm |
git commit -a --amend |
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paramat |
thanks |
| 03:16 |
paramat |
now pushing 2799 |
| 03:20 |
paramat |
complete |
| 03:49 |
paramat |
hmmmm interestingly perlinmap method is 200us, 3 times faster than point polling, unless noise object creation in the ctor takes time, i couldn't time that |
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paramat |
i timed the creation of the blend perlinmaps and the loop that adds those values to heat/humidity maps |
| 03:51 |
paramat |
but of course the ctor doesn't run every chunk |
| 03:51 |
paramat |
back to perlinmaps then =) |
| 03:58 |
paramat |
and all these times are with release build |
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nolsen |
imgcru.sh/foo1234 |
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nolsen |
erm |
| 04:10 |
nolsen |
http://i.imgur.com/FAu3Ifj.png |
| 04:10 |
nolsen |
Mapgen error? |
| 04:10 |
nolsen |
Using the moretrees mod |
| 04:11 |
nolsen |
I'm not sure if the floating tree been tampered or not. |
| 04:17 |
nolsen |
I could try looking for more trees |
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est31 |
nolsen, can you stop crossposting |
| 04:17 |
nolsen |
? |
| 04:18 |
est31 |
you keep typing the same stuff in both minetest channels |
| 04:18 |
nolsen |
well not the same people is in here. |
| 04:18 |
est31 |
some people dont like these practices |
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paramat |
weird, consult Vanessa, in the other channel first in case it's a mod thing |
| 04:19 |
paramat |
back later to push noise blend |
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nolsen |
<VanessaE> nolsen: interesting. better bring this up with the mapgen guys. |
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nolsen |
now I'm talking to a ghost |
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* nolsen |
calls the ghostbusters |
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nolsen |
jk |
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hmmmm |
whaa |
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hmmmm |
paramat: okay I stand corrected |
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hmmmm |
paramat: sorry I made you change it in the first place |
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paramat |
no problem, after all the correct thing to do was to time both methods |
| 05:29 |
paramat |
nolsen your screenshot looks distorted, do you have shaders and water waves enabled? |
| 05:31 |
paramat |
my guess is something to do with fancy leaves intersecting water |
| 05:36 |
paramat |
if it's water waves causing this RealBadAngel is the dev to talk to |
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paramat |
pushing https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2764 'Biome API: Noise defined biome blend' very soon |
| 05:52 |
paramat |
nore i pushed a commit to game that had 1 approval from sfan5, hope this is acceptable, because it is mapgen stuff and not a new feature i considered my own vote counts, see discussion in this channel |
| 05:52 |
nore |
paramat: for is_ground_content? That's fine :) |
| 05:53 |
paramat |
okay cool |
| 05:53 |
paramat |
yes that commit |
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paramat |
let me know if any of the settings seem wrong |
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nore |
wait, did you add is_ground_content to trees? |
| 05:55 |
paramat |
nope, they are false for a good reason apparently |
| 05:55 |
paramat |
so i left them that way |
| 05:55 |
nore |
yes, that's normal :) |
| 05:55 |
nore |
it is to avoid caves carving into them |
| 05:56 |
paramat |
yeah |
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nore |
ok, just checked the commit, it is perfectly fine ;) |
| 05:58 |
paramat |
good |
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paramat |
i'm working on savanna so will be requesting new nodes soon, acacia tree stuff and golden-brown dry grass and long grasses |
| 06:00 |
paramat |
some rainforest will be sunk into shallow water to create a few swamps |
| 06:02 |
paramat |
okay now pushing 2764 |
| 06:11 |
paramat |
complete! =) |
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kilbith |
heyo, does someone can look at #2798 please ? |
| 07:08 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2798 -- Fix bugs in mainmenu by kilbith |
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kilbith |
^ sfan5, nore, someone... |
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lblot |
Hi all :) |
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crazyR_ |
i think the settings api need get_number and set_number. |
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crazyR_ |
would save us messing around having to wrap it in tonumber() |
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nrzkt |
crazyR_: having a wrapper is a good idea. |
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nolsen |
<paramat> nolsen your screenshot looks distorted, do you have shaders and water waves enabled? |
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nolsen |
yes. |
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nolsen |
I have the maximum quality settings. |
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kilbith |
nrzkt, does the `dev-0.5` branch can be renamed to `outdated-0.5` ? some server owners use it thinking this is a next-gen branch... |
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nrzkt |
kilbith: why not |
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nolsen |
https://imgur.com/eLs2qyF,As1nPG1,2RgLlxv,LI9yCVa,3ZIf6dL,FjseOT9,Vjpaosf,SMgHhTc#0 |
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nolsen |
More info is in #minetest. |
| 15:47 |
est31 |
for 0.4.13, due in two months, we need a release manager |
| 15:47 |
est31 |
who volunteers :) |
| 15:48 |
kilbith |
you ofc |
| 15:48 |
est31 |
hah |
| 15:48 |
est31 |
release manager dunno if thats fun |
| 15:51 |
kilbith |
who else... |
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kilbith |
you're the latest battery of MT after all |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
what is the job of a release manager? |
| 15:53 |
est31 |
good question |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
make news posts, edit changelog? |
| 15:53 |
Calinou |
do the PR work? |
| 15:54 |
kilbith |
keep track the status of things, assess if they are stable enough or not |
| 15:54 |
kilbith |
implying a minimum of technical insight |
| 15:54 |
VanessaE |
and pull your hair out because there's always some little thing that goes wrong in a release :) |
| 15:55 |
kahrl |
make sure all the people who can do builds will be around when it is time to release |
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est31 |
find out who those people are |
| 15:58 |
VanessaE |
BlockMen usually isn't it? |
| 15:58 |
kilbith |
for MinGW builds |
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kilbith |
hmm, MSVC instead |
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rubenwardy |
Hi, I'd like to work on a mtpm (Minetest Package Manager). It'll be inspired by builtin/modmgr and written in Lua. Should it keep a local list of packages like apt-get does? |
| 16:01 |
est31 |
you mean a cache? |
| 16:01 |
kahrl |
well don't do it exactly like apt-get, its cache corrupts way too easily :P |
| 16:02 |
nrzkt |
i agree to you as a RM est31, you are the more implicated on this release, with paramat |
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| 16:04 |
rubenwardy |
I think it's a cache. Would it be a good idea? |
| 16:04 |
est31 |
I didnt have problems with the cache, but also wonder why its there the first place |
| 16:05 |
VanessaE |
I've no objection to a package/mod manager as long as it lets the modder tell it *exactly* where the code comes from (i.e. git) |
| 16:06 |
rubenwardy |
ofc |
| 16:06 |
rubenwardy |
I will allow mtpm install url |
| 16:07 |
est31 |
the only apt get related problems I had were when I caught updating or invalid mirrors (hash not matching downloaded package) |
| 16:07 |
kahrl |
est31: I ran into something like this a number of times: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15505775/debian-apt-packages-hash-sum-mismatch |
| 16:08 |
kahrl |
on ubuntu though, not debian |
| 16:09 |
est31 |
ah I see |
| 16:09 |
est31 |
thanks kahrl next time I encounter that bug, I'll use it |
| 16:09 |
nrzkt |
having a good connection and a working hard drive fix the problem. Or use a more stable package manager :p |
| 16:09 |
crazyR_ |
why dont we just use luaroacks.. luarock install minetest-<package_name> ??? |
| 16:09 |
nrzkt |
apt-get clean ; apt-get update |
| 16:09 |
nrzkt |
and then go |
| 16:10 |
nrzkt |
or rm -f /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb |
| 16:11 |
est31 |
perhaps we can fork luarocks |
| 16:11 |
est31 |
minetestrocks! |
| 16:13 |
crazyR_ |
it just seems a bad idea to re-invent the wheel. lua rocks is brilliant and also allows url install. |
| 16:13 |
rubenwardy |
Could you run it from within minetest builtin? |
| 16:13 |
est31 |
from looking at one single package (yes really representative), I conclude luarocks seems to be mainly around extending lua by adding c programs |
| 16:13 |
est31 |
this again violates mod security principles though |
| 16:13 |
rubenwardy |
would it be able to support packages with no metadata? |
| 16:14 |
rubenwardy |
ie package.conf |
| 16:15 |
nrzkt |
kilbith: renamed to deprecated_dev-0.5 |
| 16:15 |
kilbith |
thanks |
| 16:15 |
kahrl |
when you install a package and then remove it, will luarocks remove the dependencies that were also installed? |
| 16:16 |
crazyR_ |
i dont think it will by default. unless ive missed something. but i know you can request a list of dependencies for a paticaular package |
| 16:16 |
kilbith |
nrzkt, why have you closed #2411 ?? |
| 16:16 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2411 -- Colored chat for FreeType builds by nerzhul |
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kahrl |
well, I think that's bad then |
| 16:16 |
VanessaE |
aw shit, RBA is here |
| 16:16 |
est31 |
I guess because he closed the branch |
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nrzkt |
wtf |
| 16:16 |
nrzkt |
i don't close it |
| 16:17 |
est31 |
#2447 got closed too |
| 16:17 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2447 -- Add remote inventory inspection feature by est31 |
| 16:17 |
RealBadAngel |
awww, whos next to bite? |
| 16:17 |
nrzkt |
i only removed dev-0.5 to push deprecated_dev-0.5 |
| 16:17 |
nrzkt |
oh i see |
| 16:17 |
kilbith |
nrzkt, 2418 too |
| 16:17 |
RealBadAngel |
howdy folks |
| 16:17 |
nrzkt |
the PR was based on dev-0.5 branch... renaming it close the PR... |
| 16:17 |
VanessaE |
hi |
| 16:17 |
est31 |
heyho |
| 16:18 |
RealBadAngel |
VanessaE, est31 minimap is doing great |
| 16:18 |
nrzkt |
hi |
| 16:18 |
VanessaE |
good deal |
| 16:18 |
est31 |
fine |
| 16:18 |
nrzkt |
gg to github which automaticly close a PR when the branch isn't existant... |
| 16:18 |
RealBadAngel |
i managed to split the task between two threads |
| 16:18 |
RealBadAngel |
so its blazing fast |
| 16:18 |
est31 |
perhaps we should make a list for later reference |
| 16:19 |
nrzkt |
RealBadAngel: great :) |
| 16:19 |
VanessaE |
RealBadAngel: link to sources? |
| 16:19 |
RealBadAngel |
i tried minimaps >512px already |
| 16:19 |
RealBadAngel |
only slowdown is the limit of blocks stored in mem |
| 16:19 |
nrzkt |
kilbith: cannot reopen because of the deleted branch.... I note list of closed PR to rebase: 2418 2447 2411 |
| 16:19 |
nrzkt |
do you see other PR (i don't have notification for PR closed by this deletion) |
| 16:19 |
kilbith |
erf :( |
| 16:20 |
kilbith |
no only those PRs |
| 16:20 |
nrzkt |
i can push the branch to re-open this PR... |
| 16:20 |
RealBadAngel |
atm i do store minimap mapblocs |
| 16:20 |
RealBadAngel |
which are gettin updated only when mesh has changed |
| 16:21 |
nrzkt |
but i think we should rebase those PR to master, because the divergence is too important |
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RealBadAngel |
which reminds me, we need to split highlight, cracks meshes gen from mapblock mesh updates |
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RealBadAngel |
each step of digginin is causing atm new mapblock mesh |
| 16:22 |
RealBadAngel |
its a bit sick |
| 16:23 |
RealBadAngel |
also, we cannot display properly cracks on each kind of surface |
| 16:23 |
RealBadAngel |
my opinion is to drop the cracks at all |
| 16:23 |
est31 |
nrzkt, you can probably re-add your PRs like I did with #2801 |
| 16:23 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2801 -- Add remote inventory inspection feature by est31 |
| 16:23 |
VanessaE |
no, don't drop the cracks |
| 16:23 |
RealBadAngel |
and replace them with particels only |
| 16:24 |
RealBadAngel |
VanessaE, its not MT |
| 16:24 |
est31 |
go to the originating branch, select "create pull request" |
| 16:24 |
RealBadAngel |
we dont have to suffer its early sins |
| 16:24 |
VanessaE |
cracks show progress in ways that no other method will do |
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kilbith |
agree with VE |
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RealBadAngel |
particles can do the same |
| 16:25 |
VanessaE |
besides, if it's causing a whole mesh regen event, seems like a simple solution: overlay a second mesh over the target node and put the cracks *there* instead. |
| 16:25 |
RealBadAngel |
from a few, to lotsa of them |
| 16:25 |
VanessaE |
copy the target block's mesh to the secondary layer |
| 16:25 |
VanessaE |
then animate the cracks over that node-sized mesh |
| 16:26 |
RealBadAngel |
mapblock_mesh.cpp isnt a piece of cake |
| 16:26 |
RealBadAngel |
its a whole bunch of over engineering |
| 16:27 |
RealBadAngel |
we need to separate things |
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est31 |
sounds reasonable, file is 1.4k lines |
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est31 |
nobody stepped up, seems I am the release manager |
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est31 |
how does the date August 10 2015 fit? |
| 16:43 |
VanessaE |
seems fine to me. |
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est31 |
ok I guess sfan5 or some other irc op can change the topic then. people will notice I hope. |
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kahrl |
est31: you should be able to (not sure), /msg ChanServ topic #minetest-dev bla |
| 16:51 |
est31 |
~topic |
| 16:51 |
ShadowBot |
est31: Minetest core development and maintenance. Chit-chat goes to #minetest. Consider this instead of /msg celeron55. http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/ http://dev.minetest.net/ |
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Topic for #minetest-dev is now Minetest core development and maintenance. 0.4.13 release scheduled for August 10 2015. Chit-chat goes to #minetest. Consider this instead of /msg celeron55. http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/ http://dev.minetest.net/ |
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est31 |
works |
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rubenwardy |
> not unix time |
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rubenwardy |
XD |
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~ping |
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pong |
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Krock |
Doens't look like the WebClient from C# likes the new forum certificate |
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IceCreamRenoFail |
hello, got a few questions about android |
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IceCreamRenoFail |
Where would I look into adding gamepad support? I noticed when I press some buttons i get unexpected code errors |
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IceCreamRenoFail |
is anyone active on here? |
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VanessaE |
at the moment, no, but hang around. |
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VanessaE |
sometimes it's dead, sometimes it's almost too busy to follow. |
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IceCreamRenoFail |
ah alright |
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hello everyone, i would like to implement portals in minetest. I already did this with Irrlicht https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG3q7mjLg6E . To implement this idea in minetest I need to change parts of minetest core: the scene is rendered 1 time every portal and nodes have to draw on stencil buffers. |
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giacomo986 |
i'm reading minetest code, but i'm not used to programs of this size |
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est31 |
gonna push this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2804 |
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est31 |
pushed |
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est31 |
and bye again |
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paramat |
hmmmm, looking at l_mapgen.cpp i noticed the mapgen objects heatmap and humiditymap are only enabled for mgv7, they need to be work with any mapgen using the biome api. not sure i know how to implement this properly but i'll look into it |
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paramat |
..if i follow the example of heightmap and biomemap i might get somewhere |
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