Time |
Nick |
Message |
00:45 |
paramat |
latest dev sems slow to render terrain in all mapgens, i can't remember being able to out-fly the visible mapgen and leave big gaps in the terrain behind me. did anything during the last 9 commits slow down mesh rendering? |
00:47 |
est31 |
I think there is one commit which did it |
00:47 |
est31 |
but only on very special HW |
00:47 |
est31 |
VanessaE, |
00:47 |
est31 |
^ |
00:47 |
paramat |
have all verticies been changed to tangent/binormal now, perhaps RBA's commit? |
00:47 |
est31 |
do you have shaders enabled |
00:47 |
est31 |
yes |
00:47 |
paramat |
no shaders, minimal settings |
00:48 |
paramat |
start a world and it takes 2-3 seconds to appear |
00:49 |
paramat |
i can't see my last commit slowing things down as it only adds biomegen to very deep mapchunks |
00:50 |
est31 |
how can a mapgen commit slow down rendering? |
00:50 |
paramat |
RealBadAngel ^ perhaps the vertex change had a bad effect after all? |
00:50 |
paramat |
well i wasn't sure if it was just slow mapgen or slow mesh render |
00:51 |
hmmmm |
the mapgen is almost always faster than mesh generation |
00:52 |
hmmmm |
mapgen generates in 5x5x5 chunks, meshgen generates one block at a time |
00:53 |
paramat |
i can now fly fast and outrun rendered terrain to the point of being in empty space most of the time |
00:53 |
paramat |
leaving big empty spaces behind me |
00:53 |
est31 |
press h problem solved |
00:54 |
est31 |
:P |
00:54 |
est31 |
you cant outrun rendered terrain then ): |
00:54 |
est31 |
:)* |
00:55 |
paramat |
i know the vertex change was tested to not affect fps much, but maybe it caused this |
00:56 |
paramat |
at first i thought i had broken something =/ |
00:56 |
hmmmm |
hmm |
00:56 |
hmmmm |
what might be interesting is a render mode where somehow mapblocks that exist on the client side are visually displayed regardless if their mesh exists yet or not |
00:58 |
est31 |
perhaps if you press f5 |
00:58 |
hmmmm |
terasology has something like this, if you've ever tried it out |
00:59 |
hmmmm |
it's a really fantastic way to debug things |
01:00 |
paramat |
another strange thing, i start a world and the f5 info is showing already |
01:00 |
hmmmm |
that's the default view mode if you compiled as debug |
01:00 |
paramat |
aha i'll check my build |
01:01 |
paramat |
and debug is slower too |
01:01 |
hmmmm |
i run as debug with -O0 all the time |
01:02 |
hmmmm |
but then again, i can whereas most people aren't able to because i have a cpu that's still top of the line 3 years later |
01:02 |
hmmmm |
:p |
01:03 |
paramat |
last night i compiled a debug build, then recompiled back to a normal build, but not a clean compile |
01:03 |
paramat |
it may be stuck in debug somehow |
01:03 |
hmmmm |
make clean first |
01:06 |
paramat |
i've only ever recompiled letting it automatically detect what files have changed, how do i force a clean build? |
01:07 |
hmmmm |
make clean && rm -rf CMakeFiles && cmake -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release . && make -j16 |
01:07 |
hmmmm |
oh |
01:08 |
hmmmm |
rm CMakeCache.txt too |
01:08 |
paramat |
aha thanks |
01:15 |
est31 |
I think other things have to be removed too |
01:15 |
est31 |
ah no you remove CMakeFiles already |
01:20 |
paramat |
okay first i'll 'make clean' then manually delete those files, then 'run in place 1, build type release' then 'make -j2' |
01:35 |
paramat |
okay thanks that fixes it, sorry for false alarm, i was stuck in a debug build |
01:38 |
hmmmm |
yeah good |
01:38 |
hmmmm |
you did have me scared for a bit. |
01:39 |
hmmmm |
there really were changes to mesh making without shaders enabled, but when reviewing the code I reckoned it wouldn't make a difference in terms of performance |
01:42 |
paramat |
im happy it didn't, as i would love to see realtime shadows added |
01:43 |
hmmmm |
it's pretty graphics intensive |
01:44 |
paramat |
pity. most shaders don't interest me. perhaps it could be done with a voxel resolution, really low-res.. |
01:46 |
hmmmm |
heh |
01:46 |
hmmmm |
that's actually how most games do it |
01:46 |
hmmmm |
you might notice that real time graphics seem pixelated in those crazy cool FPSes with nice graphics |
01:46 |
hmmmm |
real time shadows* i meant to say |
01:47 |
paramat |
the shadows are yes |
01:47 |
hmmmm |
so minetest is actually at quite an advantage, if we make sure the only things that can cast shadows are non-meshnode-nodes |
01:50 |
paramat |
our current lighting is voxel resolution so low-res shadows would suit our style too |
01:51 |
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01:51 |
nolsen |
Maybe I should attempt to work at #2788, but I'll probably give up instantianously. |
01:51 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2788 -- Tab complete feature. |
01:51 |
nolsen |
But where would I start? |
01:53 |
est31 |
nolsen, edit src/guiFormspecMenu.cpp |
01:53 |
est31 |
add a new formspec element |
01:53 |
nolsen |
I'm not sure how much C++ knowledge would I require. |
01:53 |
est31 |
called listselect |
01:54 |
nolsen |
Guess I need to start PITA erm I meant Linux VM |
01:55 |
est31 |
ah dammit thats the tab complete feature |
01:55 |
nolsen |
It does has name tab support, but it's flawed a bit. |
01:55 |
est31 |
flawed in which way? |
01:56 |
nolsen |
erm |
01:56 |
* nolsen |
googles flawed to make sure he used the right word |
01:56 |
nolsen |
It has a few problems like unneccesary space. |
01:56 |
nolsen |
Though that's just me. |
01:56 |
nolsen |
I can fix that |
01:57 |
nolsen |
If Virtualbox will ever start... |
02:01 |
paramat |
hmmmm, i rewrote noise defined biome blend, now it compiles and runs but no terrain appears, player falls like in singlenode, i suspect my cargo-culting of getting blend noiseparams and seed into NoisePerlin2D() https://github.com/paramat/minetest/tree/noiseblend |
02:02 |
nolsen |
est31: Though it doesn't ignore the space like /teleport Foo*space*, and thinks I'm talking about someone named as Foo*space*, instead of Foo. |
02:04 |
nolsen |
Trying to see where's the current username tab completion is located. |
02:05 |
est31 |
nolsen, what do you mean? entering /teleport foo*space* and then pressing tab yields nothing happening |
02:06 |
nolsen |
If I do /teleport f, then tab, It becomes foo*space* |
02:06 |
est31 |
ah |
02:06 |
nolsen |
If I just press enter, it doesn't see the player. |
02:06 |
hmmmm |
why are you adding MapgenParams *params to all the different mapgen methods |
02:06 |
est31 |
"see"? |
02:06 |
nolsen |
The current username tab is located at https://github.com/UltimateNate/minetest/blob/master/src/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp right? |
02:06 |
nolsen |
erm |
02:06 |
nolsen |
src/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp |
02:07 |
est31 |
no |
02:07 |
hmmmm |
and you never even modify makeChunk calls to pass along params... |
02:07 |
hmmmm |
how do you expect this to possibly work? |
02:07 |
nolsen |
oh, where is it then? |
02:07 |
est31 |
nolsen, src/guiChatConsole.cpp |
02:07 |
hmmmm |
come on paramat i expected you to try a teeny bit harder :/ |
02:08 |
hmmmm |
also, isn't the code style supposed to be one continuation indent, not two? |
02:09 |
nolsen |
est31: Found it, I have no idea will my method work but what the hell, I'm bored. |
02:12 |
paramat |
i had no idea what i was doing =/ |
02:12 |
paramat |
i'll check indents, i thought it was 1 for if and for, 2 elsewhere |
02:13 |
nolsen |
Ugh, my id_rsa broke |
02:14 |
hmmmm |
anyway |
02:14 |
hmmmm |
all you need to do is add MapgenParams np_biome_humidity_blend and the other one to the class definition |
02:14 |
hmmmm |
set them in the constructor |
02:14 |
hmmmm |
then use those members instead of passing arguments |
02:16 |
paramat |
okay. and yes indents are 1 unless that causes confusion with conditionals, will fix |
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02:19 |
nolsen |
est31: https://github.com/UltimateNate/minetest/commit/40830e3482737a7b8cd672268e4101fa78a439db Would that work? |
02:20 |
nolsen |
Going to take a while to compile |
02:21 |
nolsen |
Wait I think I see it |
02:25 |
est31 |
nolsen, thats all non-semantic changes |
02:57 |
nolsen |
Ugh didn't work, Not sure what am I doing wrong. |
03:08 |
est31 |
nolsen, the changes you made in github dont change any functional code |
03:19 |
nolsen |
I give up. |
03:24 |
nolsen |
What's wchar_t wc = L'_'; |
03:26 |
nolsen |
Maybe I'm looking at the wrong file, This seems to not put it together. |
03:35 |
paramat |
wow finally i got it working :P thanks for the help |
03:36 |
nolsen |
I finally got make to successfully work |
03:36 |
nolsen |
umm |
03:37 |
nolsen |
2015-06-15 22:36:38: ERROR[main]: A serialization error occurred: |
03:37 |
nolsen |
2015-06-15 22:36:38: ERROR[main]: ServerEnvironment::loadMeta(): EnvArgsEnd not found! |
03:38 |
nolsen |
2015-06-15 22:36:38: ERROR[main]: The server is probably running a different version of Minetest. |
03:40 |
nolsen |
All I edited is chat.h |
03:40 |
est31 |
thats an error with the envargs file |
03:40 |
est31 |
or however its called |
03:40 |
est31 |
remove it |
03:40 |
est31 |
or make a new world and try there |
03:43 |
nolsen |
TIL that Minetest has an full screen option |
03:43 |
nolsen |
and my skin is crappy |
03:46 |
nolsen |
Time till give up: Now |
03:46 |
nolsen |
Maybe I could try getting rid of bool backwards. |
03:55 |
nolsen |
YES!!!!! |
03:55 |
nolsen |
I DID IT |
03:55 |
nolsen |
I FUCKING DID IT. |
03:55 |
nolsen |
It wasn't the bool backwords thing. |
03:57 |
nolsen |
Commiting and pull requesting...once firefox responds |
04:03 |
nolsen |
Now trying to figure how to detect : isin replacement_index |
04:05 |
nolsen |
Could anyone write me a quick line for that? :P |
04:06 |
est31 |
what do you want to do? |
04:06 |
nolsen |
est31: Well, I fixed (sorta) the picky command errors like I been talking about earlier, now I need to have a space for none commands, like foo: |
04:07 |
nolsen |
s/none/non |
04:07 |
nolsen |
So I need to detect if : isin the message, then add a space. |
04:08 |
est31 |
look at util/string.h |
04:08 |
est31 |
it has many useful functions |
04:08 |
est31 |
usually is in string is done by using indexof string other string |
04:09 |
nolsen |
Uhh, I don't see string.h |
04:09 |
hmmmm |
:\ |
04:10 |
hmmmm |
nolsen, why don't you take some time to acquaint yourself with minetest's codebase and perhaps the language |
04:10 |
hmmmm |
it's okay if you don't make any meaningful contributions right away |
04:10 |
hmmmm |
there's no pressure |
04:10 |
nolsen |
I'm doing this because it's the easiest thing that I could do. |
04:11 |
nolsen |
Oh, src/util/string.h |
04:13 |
nolsen |
Wait, I think I fixed it. |
04:14 |
est31 |
I need a good name for a formspec element |
04:14 |
est31 |
basically you should do ELEM[<inventory location>;<list name>] |
04:14 |
est31 |
and that multiple times |
04:14 |
nolsen |
est31, hmmmm: It works now! I'm commiting and sending pull request. |
04:15 |
est31 |
then when you hold shift and click in some inventory at some stack thats covered by ELEM, stuff is sent to the next inventory specified by ELEM |
04:16 |
est31 |
most often to be used for chest-to-inventory movements |
04:16 |
est31 |
perhaps for other things too |
04:16 |
est31 |
also I wonder whether to allow only two ELEM specifiers. |
04:17 |
est31 |
so does anybody have a good name for ELEM? |
04:22 |
nolsen |
Creating pull request. |
04:22 |
nolsen |
But paranoia says not to. |
04:23 |
est31 |
? |
04:23 |
est31 |
we will check your PR |
04:23 |
est31 |
and if it looks good merge it |
04:24 |
est31 |
if not, we will kill you with fire |
04:24 |
est31 |
and roast you |
04:24 |
est31 |
then we will eat you |
04:24 |
nolsen |
Make sure you use ketchup |
04:24 |
nolsen |
jk |
04:25 |
* est31 |
writes down notes |
04:25 |
nolsen |
est31: This PR will probably be a temporary fix. |
04:25 |
est31 |
? |
04:25 |
nolsen |
#2793 |
04:26 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2793 -- Fixed space issues. by UltimateNate |
04:26 |
nolsen |
"The Travis CI build is in progress." Probably will fail because Travis CI hates me. |
04:26 |
nolsen |
I never got that damn thing to work on anything. |
04:28 |
est31 |
ok some things: |
04:29 |
est31 |
1. pull request titles and commits are present tense |
04:29 |
est31 |
(not a biggie) |
04:29 |
nolsen |
Meh, it was my first pull request I ever done I think. |
04:29 |
nolsen |
I don't think I really contributed to a project. |
04:29 |
est31 |
2. a pull request should only consist of one commit if it changes one thing |
04:29 |
est31 |
its quite good for a first PR :) |
04:30 |
est31 |
regarding 2: there are projects which don't like you to git commit --amend && git push -f |
04:30 |
est31 |
we want you to do it |
04:30 |
nolsen |
doesn't git push -f fucks things up? |
04:30 |
est31 |
so if sb points something out in a PR, then dont add commits but update the commit itself |
04:31 |
nolsen |
forget calling -f force, it should be -f, fuck. |
04:31 |
est31 |
hehe |
04:31 |
hmmmm |
profanities aside, git rebase -i HEAD~4 |
04:31 |
hmmmm |
pick, squash, squash, squash. |
04:31 |
nolsen |
git was difficult at the first times to use it. |
04:32 |
nolsen |
Only thing I use git is to push, pull, clone, init, whatever it says in a README or whatever. |
04:32 |
nolsen |
commit. |
04:35 |
nolsen |
est31: So will my PR be accepted? |
04:39 |
nolsen |
Fixed what needed to be fixed. |
04:41 |
est31 |
nolsen, we will decide this in 4 months after the 0.4.13 release |
04:41 |
est31 |
the PR has to rot a bit |
04:41 |
nolsen |
lol |
04:42 |
nolsen |
and get outdated |
04:42 |
* nolsen |
nodes |
04:42 |
nolsen |
er |
04:42 |
* nolsen |
nods |
04:42 |
nolsen |
est31: Will it seriously take 4 months? |
04:43 |
est31 |
no |
04:43 |
est31 |
with current PR merging speed, one day, perhaps I look at it even now |
04:43 |
est31 |
its a very small commit |
04:44 |
est31 |
for those you dont need 2 coredevs to agree |
04:45 |
nolsen |
Soon I might add command completion. |
04:45 |
nolsen |
But that'll be soon |
04:55 |
nolsen |
I'm curious will Minetest crash if I connect with ÀÀÀÀÀ ®®®®©¶ |
04:55 |
nolsen |
Does anyone see a space in ÀÀÀÀÀ ®®®®©¶ |
04:58 |
nolsen |
Nope, It doesn't. |
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05:05 |
nolsen |
Now I'm counted at a contributor :D |
05:09 |
hmmmm |
haha... not so fast |
05:09 |
hmmmm |
it takes more |
05:11 |
est31 |
I guess I'll merge 2793, squashed and the artifact removed |
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05:17 |
hmmmm |
graet |
05:17 |
hmmmm |
great* |
05:18 |
est31 |
ahhh dammit |
05:18 |
est31 |
wuzzies commit is in there too |
05:19 |
est31 |
meh, merge it too |
05:19 |
est31 |
will write "merged by accident" |
05:22 |
hmmmm |
oh well |
05:23 |
hmmmm |
it's not worth reverting |
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06:17 |
est31 |
wow this irrlicht is cool |
06:17 |
est31 |
it knows what I want before I want it |
06:17 |
est31 |
in fact, a highly unlikely feature is added to an API i have access to |
06:17 |
est31 |
meaning I dont have to use other methods |
06:17 |
est31 |
really nice |
06:17 |
est31 |
quite handy |
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07:27 |
paramat |
sfan5, please could you review this sometime? https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/539 -- Fix is_ground_content settings for nodes |
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08:59 |
est31 |
#2795 |
08:59 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2795 -- Add list-rings by est31 |
09:00 |
est31 |
a real feature this time |
09:00 |
est31 |
and useful |
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kilbith |
celeron55, http://www.minetest.net/ <- all pages are empty |
10:54 |
kilbith |
s/all/most of |
11:01 |
celeron55 |
lol wut |
11:02 |
celeron55 |
oh oops |
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celeron55 |
it's fine now |
11:06 |
celeron55 |
the server ran out of disk space due to a silly mistake in some custom scheduled tasks |
11:08 |
celeron55 |
(and dokuwiki likes to clear all of its pages when it runs out of cache space) |
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est31 |
gonna push #2795 |
12:46 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2795 -- Add list-rings by est31 |
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nolsen |
Aww it was closed. |
14:50 |
nolsen |
est31: What about 3ae8b92? |
14:51 |
est31 |
thats the commit your pr was merged :) |
14:52 |
est31 |
RealBadAngel, what do you think, do we need a cablelike drawtype? |
14:54 |
nolsen |
oh, yay. |
14:54 |
nolsen |
Now I wonder what issue I should do next. |
14:58 |
nolsen |
Now I need to delete my fork and create another one since it's outdated. |
14:59 |
est31 |
you dont have to |
14:59 |
nolsen |
? |
14:59 |
est31 |
what I do is add the upstream repo as remote |
14:59 |
est31 |
then I do git remote update |
15:00 |
est31 |
then I do git reset --hard upstream/master |
15:05 |
nolsen |
Going to work on command completion by tab, I should be able to just copy and replace some things. |
15:05 |
est31 |
how do you plan to send the command list to the client? |
15:07 |
nolsen |
well, is there already a command list? |
15:07 |
est31 |
no |
15:08 |
est31 |
only on the server |
15:08 |
nolsen |
well I need to use the server's commandlist then. |
15:08 |
est31 |
yup |
15:08 |
est31 |
so best thing you download the command list, and do the completion on the client |
15:09 |
est31 |
I guess it would be a great start if you manually specified a test command list showcasing some features |
15:09 |
nolsen |
Yep, though it'd be a bit harder, but it shouldn't be too hard. |
15:09 |
est31 |
harder than? |
15:10 |
nolsen |
harder than what I done last night. |
15:10 |
nolsen |
on my PR |
15:10 |
est31 |
yea |
15:10 |
est31 |
you will need some "language" I guess |
15:10 |
est31 |
we already have nick completion |
15:11 |
nolsen |
I'm a pythoneer, Barely know C++ |
15:11 |
est31 |
If you have questions, ask |
15:11 |
est31 |
I can write the sending of the list, you only have to do the completion part |
15:12 |
nolsen |
I guess I don't need to update my fork since none of the files I'm going to use are probably not outdated. |
15:12 |
nolsen |
est31: sure. |
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15:14 |
nolsen |
est31: I wonder, what editor you use? |
15:14 |
nolsen |
I'm using gedit |
15:15 |
est31 |
I'm using kate |
15:17 |
Calinou |
Atom :-D |
15:18 |
nolsen |
I need to replace mine because gedit is being glitchy. |
15:18 |
nolsen |
I'm using lubuntu on Virtualbox to edit and run Minetest. |
15:19 |
Calinou |
then use Geany |
15:20 |
nolsen |
est31: You could write on the sending of the list, because I have no idea how to do that. |
15:27 |
est31 |
nolsen, when sending something over the network, or generally when changing network protocol, you have to make sure old servers work with old clients and vice versa |
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est31 |
what I suggest doing is the following |
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est31 |
you create a new opcode |
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est31 |
TOCLIENT_CHAT_COMMANDS |
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est31 |
then the fun begins |
15:31 |
est31 |
you will need a c++ method both server side and client side |
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est31 |
look at src/network/clientpackethandler.cpp |
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est31 |
and serverpackethandler |
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est31 |
and .h files too |
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est31 |
err |
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est31 |
no .h files |
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est31 |
they are managed in src/server.h and src/client.h |
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est31 |
then you should edit src/networkprotocol.h |
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est31 |
and add your opcode |
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est31 |
in the toserver list |
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est31 |
then you have to edit serveropcodes.cpp and clientopcodes.cpp inside src/network |
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est31 |
to add your handler methods |
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Amaz |
game#542 |
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Amaz |
Does ShadowBot not have that functionality any more? :( https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/542 |
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nolsen |
Maybe Minetest should have a minimum internet speed limit on servers and clients, to reduce ping timeouts. |
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Calinou |
that makes no sense |
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Calinou |
network throughput != latency |
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nolsen |
Probably lost any messages, my internet died. |
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Calinou |
<Calinou> that makes no sense |
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Calinou |
<Calinou> network throughput != latency |
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nolsen |
Then have a latency check? |
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nolsen |
Then have the server ease the walking too fast errors because of high latency, and ping timeouts, for the user. |
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nolsen |
Calinou: Though I thought network speed also matters. |
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nolsen |
Because it needs to speed to send it |
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Calinou |
you need a bit of speed, but even 1 Mb/s download is enough |
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Calinou |
nolsen, we already use a lag pool system for speed checks |
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Calinou |
personally I'd remove speed checks entirely... |
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est31 |
I've successfully played minetest on a 64 kbit connection |
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Calinou |
disable_anticheat = true disables all anticheats, not just the speed one |
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est31 |
it got worse the more players joined |
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est31 |
but worked more or less |
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est31 |
heck, I've managed to clean up spawn grief with that bad connection |
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nolsen |
Well it's annoying when people keep timeing out my server |
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nolsen |
I wonder if you get ping timeout on this server 188.165.3.51 |
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nolsen |
you two |
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* est31 |
pushes in 10 minutes: https://github.com/est31/minetest/commit/7a90b31b30897c99adcbef0a6ea0c69f1c99c2b1 |
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nolsen |
est31: I think I found a bug with the bucket |
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nolsen |
wait, is the bucket part of minetest, or is that a mod? |
18:50 |
est31 |
mod |
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nolsen |
oh ok |
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hello, just looking at the source and two questions where would I go to look at the input and how would I go about starting gamepad input on android? |
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soupertrooper |
input handler that is |
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