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| 00:00 |
zat |
mapgen_sand* I mean |
| 00:05 |
zat |
paramat: http://uppix.com/f-screenshot_263355567acfb0019089e.png |
| 00:05 |
zat |
without an alias for mapgen_sand there is nothing below y +3 |
| 00:05 |
* paramat |
looks |
| 00:06 |
paramat |
seems to be placing air instead |
| 00:06 |
paramat |
oh you removed the alias |
| 00:06 |
zat |
there are tons of 20:59:59: ERROR[main]: Resolver: Failed to resolve node name 'mapgen_sand'. |
| 00:07 |
zat |
its lke no biomes allowed below y+3 |
| 00:07 |
paramat |
no idea, but make sure to use latest MTGame also |
| 00:08 |
zat |
remember that mod earth is actually a game |
| 00:09 |
zat |
I am running it without most of the stuff, its minimal |
| 00:09 |
zat |
so I confirm that no biomes are placed below y+3 |
| 00:09 |
paramat |
ah i see |
| 00:10 |
paramat |
so your beach and underwater biomes are failing |
| 00:11 |
zat |
right |
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| 00:12 |
zat |
if I make my beach biome have ymin -31000 and ymax 10, it is like ymin 3 and ymax 10 |
| 00:12 |
zat |
ymin 4 I meant |
| 00:17 |
paramat |
this is probably due to your code not the engine, good luck |
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zat |
not a very motivating attitude for a dev |
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VanessaE |
is someone going to address https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2612 soon? |
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paramat |
zat talk to me in channel |
| 03:46 |
paramat |
hmmmm 4D fractal mapgen http://i.imgur.com/eIIbvcQ.png |
| 03:46 |
zat |
paramat: I could not configure a buddy pounce in channel :P |
| 03:48 |
paramat |
i saw your comment earlier, i was not being rude i was helping you by stating my best guess at what the bug was |
| 03:48 |
paramat |
i had to go do stuff, i#m busy |
| 03:48 |
paramat |
(i'm) |
| 03:49 |
paramat |
you're lucky i helped you at all, i work voluntarily and have no commitments to help people |
| 03:51 |
paramat |
everyone else's biome systems work, so it's likely your code or incompatibility due to my changes |
| 03:53 |
zat |
paramat: I should use more emoticons or people take me wrong |
| 03:53 |
zat |
I was not calling you rude lol |
| 03:53 |
zat |
whatever, it is that change that introduces shores |
| 03:54 |
paramat |
you just bitched at me in private message :) |
| 03:54 |
zat |
paramat: no, really |
| 03:54 |
zat |
IMO the idea of noisy average altitude for biomes would make better shores |
| 03:55 |
paramat |
yes |
| 03:55 |
zat |
in real life beaches are not everywhere and are not the same height |
| 03:55 |
paramat |
some vertical borders need to be level though, so a 'variation' parameter would be good |
| 03:56 |
paramat |
if this is possibe.. |
| 03:57 |
zat |
strength maybe |
| 03:57 |
zat |
or a factor |
| 03:58 |
zat |
so a big variation would make better snowed mountains and little variation for beaches so they are not grossly different. |
| 04:00 |
zat |
this makes me remember a good idea that I had and that I somehow worked around to implement it |
| 04:01 |
zat |
increase the density of ores by a certain factor, depending on the depth |
| 04:06 |
paramat |
a smooth increase? |
| 04:07 |
zat |
right, and lineal |
| 04:07 |
paramat |
problem is any noticeable increase over 500 nodes would become ridiculous at the world base |
| 04:08 |
paramat |
we can already increase it in steps with current code, as is already done |
| 04:08 |
zat |
depends on the numbers I guess |
| 04:09 |
zat |
in my world, I registered lava as an ore, with a 3d noise that gets bigger and bigger with the depth |
| 04:09 |
zat |
sure the minerals are a lot under -15000, but go try mine down there without finding huge lava pits. |
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paramat |
requests for features for one person's use often get nowhere, it's best to join github and/or the forum document your ideas and gain support, github is the most effective way to do this |
| 04:17 |
zat |
I will soon I expect, meanwhile dropping ideas still help :P |
| 04:45 |
paramat |
yes, ideas are still welcome here of course |
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hmmmm |
i wonder if it'd be useful at all to make a worldedit command to heal map irregularities using a heightmap blur |
| 05:46 |
hmmmm |
for example if there's a hard cut in the map due to a mapgen problem |
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VanessaE |
good idea, hmmmm |
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twoelk |
hmmmm: that could be a way to achieve what I described here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=176870#p176870 |
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twoelk |
a tool for border blur would make it easier to combine map content of different origin. A user could blend terrain made by different mapgens or even insert prebuild areas with a more pleasing result. Such maps could become unique in a way that cannot be recreated from a seed as the player decission how to create which terrain cannot be predicted by any code. |
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| 11:58 |
Megaf_ |
Hi all |
| 11:58 |
Megaf_ |
can we use this instead of LuaJIT? https://code.google.com/p/llvm-lua/ |
| 11:59 |
Megaf_ |
AOT instead of JIT |
| 12:00 |
Calinou |
“JIT compile†|
| 12:00 |
celeron55 |
why would you |
| 12:01 |
Megaf_ |
Smaller memory footprint, faster initialization time and lower CPU overhead. |
| 12:01 |
Calinou |
people should not have to compile their mods |
| 12:01 |
Megaf_ |
The engine could compile mods on startup |
| 12:01 |
celeron55 |
Megaf_: they haven't even published any benchmarks; it's likely not any faster |
| 12:02 |
celeron55 |
and llvm is huge; nobody wants to add tens of megabytes to their downloads and builds for that |
| 12:02 |
Megaf_ |
celeron55: so just as big as the bitmap fonts... |
| 12:03 |
Calinou |
you could make Minetest use Clang by default :3 |
| 12:03 |
Megaf_ |
I rather have faster performance than use bitmap fonts, what about you? |
| 12:03 |
Calinou |
AssaultCube switched to Clang as default compiler |
| 12:03 |
celeron55 |
and that's not properly documented either; i have no idea how you interface with that from code that normally calls actual lua or luajit |
| 12:03 |
Megaf_ |
Calinou: I see no runtime gain in using cland, it might compile faster, but that's about it |
| 12:04 |
Megaf_ |
celeron55: I agree with you on the lack of documentation. |
| 12:05 |
celeron55 |
also it's not maintained either |
| 12:05 |
celeron55 |
latest stuff is from 2012 |
| 12:05 |
Megaf_ |
I have just noticed that. |
| 12:05 |
celeron55 |
probably doesn't even compile with latest llvm |
| 12:06 |
Calinou |
LuaJIT is barely maintained too :/ |
| 12:06 |
Calinou |
IIRC there's no 5.3 support |
| 12:06 |
Megaf_ |
Calinou: I get updated on my fork of LuaJIT at least once a month |
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Megaf_ |
I'm on LuaJIT v2.1 - commit 5de95edf4c03296f65ff435c587719a7dff5e6f5 |
| 12:07 |
celeron55 |
Calinou: but luajit works basically perfectly and 5.3 isn't that useful anyway |
| 12:08 |
Megaf_ |
That's the latest one AFAIK |
| 12:08 |
Calinou |
we don't even use 5.2, I think :P |
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Zeno` |
E/AndroidRuntime(32447): java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: dlopen failed: could not load library "libgmp.so.10" needed by "libminetest.so"; caused by library "libgmp.so.10" not found |
| 12:28 |
Zeno` |
^--- I thought this was fixed |
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| 12:33 |
Zeno` |
stupid internet |
| 12:33 |
Zeno` |
I still can't push/pull/reach github 75% of the time :( |
| 12:35 |
Zeno` |
Review please? (Trivial change) https://github.com/Zeno-/minetest/commit/e01787d36f0a32d06200c83bf6e9df60a4bf0030 |
| 12:36 |
Zeno` |
In response to #2734 |
| 12:37 |
Megaf_ |
How is the CMakeLists.txt file generated/updated? |
| 12:37 |
Zeno` |
Megaf_, by hand |
| 12:37 |
Megaf_ |
Ok, that's what I thought |
| 12:38 |
Zeno` |
(cmake may make a cached copy though) |
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| 12:41 |
Zeno` |
hi RBA |
| 12:42 |
Megaf_ |
Will this work? ... |
| 12:42 |
Megaf_ |
test.txt < EOF |
| 12:42 |
Megaf_ |
This is a test |
| 12:42 |
Megaf_ |
EOF |
| 12:42 |
Zeno` |
huh |
| 12:42 |
Megaf_ |
hm, its << |
| 12:43 |
Megaf_ |
cat test.txt << EOF \ This is a test \ EOF |
| 12:43 |
Megaf_ |
Ah, you know what I mean |
| 12:44 |
Zeno` |
err shouldn't it be >> ? If you're talking about bash/shell? |
| 12:44 |
Zeno` |
anyway take that to #minetest :) |
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Zeno` |
<< redirects input |
| 12:44 |
Zeno` |
but I have NFI what you're doing :) |
| 12:45 |
Megaf_ |
EOF Topic > #Minetest |
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Zeno` |
Zeno`> Review please? (Trivial change) https://github.com/Zeno-/minetest/commit/e01787d36f0a32d06200c83bf6e9df60a4bf0030 |
| 12:47 |
Zeno` |
<Zeno`> In response to #2734 |
| 12:48 |
est31 |
m_cache_hold_aux1 ? |
| 12:48 |
Zeno` |
yeah... clumsy name :/ |
| 12:48 |
Zeno` |
better than m_cache_hold_aux1_key though lol |
| 12:49 |
est31 |
yea |
| 12:53 |
Zeno` |
yay or nay (to push)? |
| 12:53 |
est31 |
yay |
| 12:54 |
Zeno` |
before I do... what's the difference between __ANROID__ and ANDROID |
| 12:54 |
Zeno` |
they both seem to be used :/ |
| 12:54 |
est31 |
ah |
| 12:54 |
Megaf_ |
(insert joke here) |
| 12:54 |
Zeno` |
I'll fix that in another commit though |
| 12:54 |
est31 |
I think I had problems with one of them when I compiled in strict mode |
| 12:54 |
Zeno` |
pushing that simple one now |
| 12:54 |
est31 |
so with C++99 mode |
| 12:55 |
est31 |
(not with ANDROID but with LINUX) |
| 12:55 |
Zeno` |
because I know it won't cause extra problems related to __ANDROID__ vs ANDROID that we don't already have |
| 12:55 |
Zeno` |
hmm |
| 12:56 |
Zeno` |
does c99 even apply? |
| 12:56 |
Zeno` |
err c++99? |
| 12:56 |
Zeno` |
I guess __ are for reserved things (I'd have to check though) |
| 12:56 |
est31 |
Zeno`, this is the commit https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/4abb96fb546b5975c74ff2cc295255fe17126287 |
| 12:57 |
Zeno` |
well nothing is currently broken so I guess the inconsistency can stay until we decide what to do |
| 12:57 |
est31 |
yea |
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RealBadAngel |
hi Zeno` |
| 13:09 |
Zeno` |
;-) |
| 13:09 |
Zeno` |
est31, can you see the logs? |
| 13:09 |
Zeno` |
<Zeno`> E/AndroidRuntime(32447): java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: dlopen failed: could not load library "libgmp.so.10" needed by "libminetest.so"; caused by library "libgmp.so.10" not found |
| 13:09 |
Zeno` |
<Zeno`> ^--- I thought this was fixed |
| 13:10 |
Zeno` |
Or maybe I'm "installing" via adb incorrectly... no idea |
| 13:10 |
est31 |
this should have been fixed yes |
| 13:11 |
Zeno` |
will it be installed by a debug build or do I have to go through the insane process of making a release apk? |
| 13:11 |
est31 |
ah was after the lua discussion and before you complaining bout internet |
| 13:12 |
est31 |
it should be installed. |
| 13:12 |
est31 |
I'll try to reproduce |
| 13:12 |
Zeno` |
ok |
| 13:13 |
est31 |
do you have more logcat available? |
| 13:13 |
Zeno` |
yeah |
| 13:13 |
Zeno` |
hold on, I'll run it again and get a fresh copy |
| 13:15 |
Zeno` |
pm'd |
| 13:15 |
Zeno` |
brb |
| 13:18 |
Megaf_ |
look at the size difference after removing a couple of files and directories from Minetest (git clone minetest.git) |
| 13:18 |
Megaf_ |
58MMinetestOriginal |
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Megaf_ |
12MMinetestStripped |
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Zeno` |
est31, do you think I am installing it incorrectly? |
| 13:23 |
Zeno` |
grr |
| 13:23 |
Zeno` |
peer is annoying |
| 13:23 |
Wayward_One |
Zeno`, you install it through adb? |
| 13:23 |
Zeno` |
Wayward_One, yes |
| 13:23 |
Zeno` |
adb install -r bin/Minetest-debug.apk |
| 13:24 |
Wayward_One |
oh. i just copy the apk to my device and install it there |
| 13:24 |
Zeno` |
hmm |
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Zeno` |
I dunno how to do that :) |
| 13:25 |
Zeno` |
I just have a nagging feeling that it's something *I* am doing incorrectly |
| 13:25 |
Zeno` |
But I have no idea what |
| 13:26 |
est31 |
no the adb method should work too |
| 13:26 |
Zeno` |
hmm |
| 13:26 |
Wayward_One |
the apk is in /minetest/build/android/bin. just copy it to your device, and open it in a file manager (if you're still having problems with adb) |
| 13:27 |
Zeno` |
est31, did you get my PM? |
| 13:27 |
est31 |
yes |
| 13:27 |
Zeno` |
ok, cool |
| 13:27 |
est31 |
its weird |
| 13:27 |
Zeno` |
Wayward_One, the adb command says it succeeds |
| 13:27 |
Wayward_One |
Ah, ok |
| 13:27 |
est31 |
the manual call works the non manual one sais it doesnt work |
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TenPlus1 |
Hi folks... |
| 13:29 |
Zeno` |
let me uninstall everything and see if it persists |
| 13:29 |
TenPlus1 |
Q. what kind of error correction does minetest have when loading maps ? does it check if it's valid or corrupt ? |
| 13:30 |
TenPlus1 |
*error handling |
| 13:31 |
Zeno` |
I'll clean all as well |
| 13:33 |
est31 |
I think there is no error correction |
| 13:33 |
est31 |
more like error detection |
| 13:33 |
TenPlus1 |
so if minetest loads part of a map and an area/node is corrupt, it can handle that without crashing server ? |
| 13:34 |
Zeno` |
yes it should |
| 13:34 |
est31 |
mapgen_v5.cpp:524: error: undefined reference to 'CaveV5::CaveV5(MapgenV5*, PseudoRandom*)' |
| 13:34 |
est31 |
I can't compile for android |
| 13:34 |
Zeno` |
you may have to add a line to minetest.conf though |
| 13:34 |
TenPlus1 |
am trying to figure this std::bad_alloc error that server keeps on getting |
| 13:34 |
Zeno` |
est31, I am doing a clean make now... will see if it happens for me as well |
| 13:36 |
est31 |
Its easiest to help you TenPlus1 with a stacktrace |
| 13:37 |
TenPlus1 |
how do I go about doing that ? |
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est31 |
various ways, I always open the server in a gdb instance |
| 13:38 |
est31 |
and then do bt |
| 13:39 |
TenPlus1 |
so: gdb minetest --server and see if it crashes with that ? |
| 13:39 |
est31 |
better is to use gdb minetestserver |
| 13:39 |
est31 |
because gdb doesnt pass on arguments |
| 13:39 |
Zeno` |
minetestserver is no longer build by default :/ |
| 13:40 |
est31 |
so --server is an argument for gdb |
| 13:40 |
TenPlus1 |
minetestserver doesnt run on 0.4.12 now... had to use --server |
| 13:40 |
Zeno` |
s/build/built |
| 13:40 |
est31 |
also use a debug buld |
| 13:40 |
est31 |
that will give you actual lines |
| 13:40 |
est31 |
its possible to give params to the called program too |
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est31 |
lemme see how |
| 13:40 |
Zeno` |
I really wish ShadowNinja hadn't removed minetestserver from the default build |
| 13:41 |
Zeno` |
it doesn't add to compile time... (except maybe on travis) |
| 13:41 |
Zeno` |
because the files (for the most part) are already compiled! All it does is link |
| 13:42 |
est31 |
ok here: gdb --args minetest --server |
| 13:44 |
TenPlus1 |
thanks... when owner turns up we'll try and do that for a single error instance |
| 13:45 |
Megaf_ |
Zeno`: I had a discussion with him already and I believe that he said that it adds a lot of time to compiling time |
| 13:46 |
Megaf_ |
Hi TenPlus1, finally I meet you, Still having that problem? |
| 13:46 |
Zeno` |
est31, it builds for me |
| 13:46 |
Zeno` |
installing now |
| 13:46 |
TenPlus1 |
hi megaf, yep... std::bad_alloc errors constant now... 12 crashes in last 30 mins |
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RealBadAngel |
i wonder what is the average number of blocks loaded into memory? |
| 13:47 |
Megaf_ |
Zeno`: TenPlus1: couldn't that be fixed with world edit/deleteblock commands? deleteblock would regenerate the corruped block |
| 13:47 |
Zeno` |
est31, ok false alarm. After uninstalling minetest from my android, rebuilding and installing again it now works |
| 13:47 |
est31 |
good |
| 13:47 |
Zeno` |
sorry about that :) |
| 13:47 |
est31 |
np |
| 13:47 |
RealBadAngel |
anybody have an idea? |
| 13:47 |
est31 |
my build failure is most likely false alarm too |
| 13:48 |
Megaf_ |
TenPlus1: can you paste your minetest.conf please? (on some pastebin like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 13:48 |
est31 |
no RealBadAngel |
| 13:48 |
TenPlus1 |
megaf: I try to do that just now for areas we KNOW have errors, but there's too many and some are hard to pinpoint... especially if in the middle of a large build |
| 13:48 |
Megaf_ |
TenPlus1: It looks like your map keep getting more and more corrupted every time |
| 13:48 |
Megaf_ |
keeps* |
| 13:49 |
Megaf_ |
over time* |
| 13:49 |
RealBadAngel |
im thinkin about holding data for minimap (created on mapblock mesh updates - 16*16 grid of 4 bytes per mapblock) for each block actually loaded into memory |
| 13:50 |
RealBadAngel |
and update it (or delete) when block changes |
| 13:50 |
TenPlus1 |
http://pastebin.com/NQfs0CzF |
| 13:50 |
rubenwardy |
Just wondering, what is the Minetest code style way of doing this: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/43ba16e0d46aba1c38da |
| 13:51 |
Megaf_ |
RealBadAngel: I believe it depends on the number of players online no? For example, the max_block_send_distance, if set to 3, will load a radious of 3 blocks per client. Or not? |
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TenPlus1 |
server memory handling is really good, never goes above 600mb even after hours... |
| 13:51 |
Megaf_ |
I know if I set that number too high it will crash my server because of out of memory |
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Zeno` |
TenPlus1, who hosts your server again? At this stage I think we *really* need a full copy of it to nail this nasty thing. |
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Megaf_ |
the irony is strong with this one > TenPlus1 |
| 13:52 |
TenPlus1 |
Titanius has the server in Wisconsin... it's well over 60gb in size and he's not that tech savvy |
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Megaf_ |
TenPlus1: on my server it avarages 260 MB of ram |
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Zeno` |
60gb... *sigh* |
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TenPlus1 |
we tried local map saving but that doesnt nab the errors, just crashes server when it comes across them... |
| 13:53 |
TenPlus1 |
and I cant get a map large enough on standalone server to crash it anymore |
| 13:53 |
Zeno` |
I had database errors on my server and I set something to ignore them |
| 13:53 |
TenPlus1 |
but I can try and have Tianius do a gdb session |
| 13:53 |
Zeno` |
wish I could remember what |
| 13:53 |
TenPlus1 |
that's enabled... ignore_world_loads_errors = true |
| 13:54 |
TenPlus1 |
doesnt work for these one's |
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Megaf_ |
TenPlus1: have you tried to start your server with it false? |
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Zeno` |
a gdb session would be brilliant. a gdb session on a debug build would be perfect |
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TenPlus1 |
so: gdb --args minetest --server --debug ? |
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TenPlus1 |
oops... --verbose even |
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Megaf_ |
theres the --trace |
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Zeno` |
valgrind would be the next step and if that doesn't narrow it down massif (but both of those will probably slow the server down so much as to make it unusable while they're running :() |
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Zeno` |
TenPlus1, does Titanius ever come online? |
| 13:56 |
Zeno` |
on IRC I mean |
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est31 |
rubenwardy, I think thats the right way |
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Wuzzy |
I wonder if this is a bug or intentional: set_properties does not seem to change anything for players, yet the lua_api.txt claims it works for *all* objects |
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rubenwardy |
Okay. |
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rubenwardy |
I guess it's best to avoid m_name, etc |
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Zeno` |
60gb is not much for my server to handle. If you can get him to agree to transfer the whole server to my server I will give him an ssh login to perform that |
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est31 |
see here for an example https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/server.h#L144 |
| 13:58 |
rubenwardy |
no... |
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Wuzzy |
i.e. if me is the player object, and I call me:set_properties({makes_footstep_sound=false}), me does still do make a footstep sound |
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Zeno` |
but I suppose he can't use scp if he's not tech savvy :( |
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rubenwardy |
I meant when a parameter has the same name as a member |
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rubenwardy |
Ie: I want initialise this->x with some x parameter |
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est31 |
ah |
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est31 |
think of sth nice |
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rubenwardy |
Lol |
| 13:58 |
rubenwardy |
Then keep to it |
| 13:59 |
est31 |
starting with _ isn't nice |
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Zeno` |
or just do this::x(x) |
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Wuzzy |
It seems that set_properties is a no-op for player objects. Is this intentional? |
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rubenwardy |
Didn't know that'd work |
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TenPlus1 |
he works during day and time difference means I see him early morning and evening |
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Zeno` |
neither do I |
| 13:59 |
Zeno` |
lol |
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Zeno` |
give it a try though hehe |
| 13:59 |
TenPlus1 |
but he isnt on long... just enough for server update / fixes |
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Zeno` |
I know it would work in the function body |
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Zeno` |
just don't know if it's ok for init lists |
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rubenwardy |
error: expected identifier before ‘this’ |
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rubenwardy |
this::id(id), |
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Zeno` |
:) |
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rubenwardy |
C++11 allows x(x), and I have it enabled |
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rubenwardy |
Because it's my own project |
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TenPlus1 |
does mt run any better on c++11 |
| 14:04 |
est31 |
no |
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est31 |
not yet |
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est31 |
I'm for typedefing custom maps that can be converted to unordered map on occasions |
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est31 |
s/on occasions/when compiling with c++11/ |
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rubenwardy |
I'm using it because for (auto &i : vec) is so much less to type than for (std::vector<int>::const_iterator i = vec.begin(); i != vec.end(); v++) |
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Zeno` |
rubenwardy, if it was me I'd just change _x to x_ |
| 14:06 |
rubenwardy |
That wouldn't be bad. But the standard allows x(x) etc |
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est31 |
I like the auto stuff too |
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est31 |
but people want minetest to not use c++11 till 2017 |
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est31 |
or so |
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TenPlus1 |
c++11 will mature by then and hopefully have many optimizations |
| 14:08 |
est31 |
c++11 isn't developed further |
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est31 |
next is c++17 |
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rubenwardy |
~g c++17 |
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est31 |
and c++1 |
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est31 |
4 |
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TenPlus1 |
erk, version by version... |
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rubenwardy |
No ShadowBot, Nooo.... |
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rubenwardy |
She's gone... |
| 14:09 |
TenPlus1 |
no true standards anymore... it better not be cobbled together |
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Zeno` |
wait a sec... |
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Zeno` |
it's not c11 is it? |
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est31 |
? |
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Zeno` |
x(x) is c98? |
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Zeno` |
c++98 grr |
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rubenwardy |
On the SO I read it says it works in C++11 |
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rubenwardy |
and that's all I needed to know :) |
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TenPlus1 |
if a server crashes during a map write, what happens ? will it finish or just stop altoghether / |
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Zeno` |
I think it's 03 |
| 14:21 |
Zeno` |
it is |
| 14:21 |
Zeno` |
c++98/03 |
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Zeno` |
section 12.6.2.7 |
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Zeno` |
TenPlus1, if it crashes it crashes. If the write finishes could depend on where it is in the write, or even on the OS |
| 14:23 |
Zeno` |
any modern OS will finish the write though *if* it's all been written (i.e. the write function is minetest is finished at the time of the crash) |
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TenPlus1 |
just curious, somehow I thought you had a separate process handling map functions, passing blocks to and from server/client to keep it safe |
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init |
if you use sqlite, without "performance tweaks", nothing will (probably?) happen |
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Zeno` |
well there is. If the client does something before the server recognises the crash and writes it then it will just be as if it never happened |
| 14:25 |
Zeno` |
I am not convinced these bad allocs are due to database corruption |
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TenPlus1 |
is sqlite_synchronous = 0 a tweak ? |
| 14:25 |
Zeno` |
although it is weird that you're experiencing them so often and nobody else is |
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TenPlus1 |
I dont get it myself Zeno... typically in certain areas of the map... could too many active objects in an area cause it ?? |
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Zeno` |
I don't know :( |
| 14:29 |
Zeno` |
The stacktrace will help :) |
| 14:29 |
TenPlus1 |
will try to do the gdb later tonight when owner is home... |
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TenPlus1 |
thanks again folks |
| 14:29 |
Zeno` |
fingers crossed |
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TenPlus1 |
:) back later |
| 14:30 |
Zeno` |
I think I may sleep now. Night all |
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celeron55 |
looks like the screenshot-on-cover-of-publication guys ended up wanting a signature of mine |
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celeron55 |
top lel |
| 15:10 |
celeron55 |
no way, i don't have the rights anyway and even if i had, i wouldn't do it |
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celeron55 |
it's like the year 1800 or something |
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est31 |
there is a publication featuring minetest? |
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est31 |
at the cover? |
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celeron55 |
not really |
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rubenwardy |
What do you think about my macro? https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/56a8bacc26c09207172a |
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Calinou |
“you should work at X.org!†—hmmmm |
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Calinou |
why are failed unit tests yellow, and not red? |
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Calinou |
oh I read it wrong |
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Krock |
we need colors in Minetest's console |
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Calinou |
Xonotic and Unvanquished both support colored terminal output |
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Calinou |
but first, we need colored text in the game |
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Wuzzy |
How efficient are particle effects? Is it safe to add short-lived particlespawners (ca. 0.1s) every globalstep? |
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Calinou |
they are not very efficient, which is why we wanted to implement Irrlicht particles for a while |
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Wuzzy |
so I should not add particlespawners eeach tick, right? |
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VanessaE |
so long as you delete the previous ones, it shouldn't be much different than leaving a single, equivalent spawner going all the time |
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est31 |
Generally its bad to do things every ticks |
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VanessaE |
est31: generally yeah |
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VanessaE |
but if the code is fast enough, it won't be a problem |
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VanessaE |
the real question is why do that at all? |
| 19:17 |
VanessaE |
aside from their performance, they have another odd issue - ID numbers get reset after a server restart, so if you start a spawner, store the ID in e.g. the node's meta, restart the server, then go to where the spawner was, it won't be running and you still have to turn it "off" before you can restart it |
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est31 |
thats very bad |
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Wuzzy |
my particlespawner basically needs to move ... |
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VanessaE |
est31: try it with homedecor's faucets |
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hmmmm |
i was going to add colored console output, but I wanted to get shadowninja's logging pull request in first |
| 19:18 |
VanessaE |
if you have say three of them running, and restart the client/server, you can't restart all three of those spawners until you turn them all off |
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VanessaE |
(if you start one, one of the others will turn off at the same time) |
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est31 |
hmmmm, whats missing on the logging PR for you? |
| 19:19 |
VanessaE |
(I know how to work around this for homedecor, just haven't done it yet) |
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hmmmm |
not so much missing as having stuff i totally don't approve of |
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Wuzzy |
particlespawners get deleted automatically when their timer runs out, right? |
| 19:20 |
hmmmm |
i like the fact that lua's print() got fixed, i like the warningstream, i like the string enumeration for log levels, but not so much other stuff |
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est31 |
so what is exactly your usecase for dstream? |
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hmmmm |
just print things out to stdout, stderr, or a logfile without timestamp crud |
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hmmmm |
and it has to be separate from the logging facilities |
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hmmmm |
my own use case is... debugging |
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est31 |
so you need it for the unittests? |
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est31 |
or is your usecase only the "I make a printf here to test it runs through this line" |
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hmmmm |
both unit tests and the latter |
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hmmmm |
preferably, I'd like dstream to be no-overhead if debug logging is disabled |
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est31 |
no-overhead? |
| 19:37 |
hmmmm |
maybe read the configuration entry into a global variable and replace dstream with a macro with if (g_use_debugging) { dstream << "stuff here"; } which would completely avoid writing dstream stuff |
| 19:37 |
hmmmm |
but it shouldn't be dependent upon the config |
| 19:37 |
hmmmm |
hmm |
| 19:38 |
hmmmm |
the whole point of dstream is to provide a very low-level logging facility for minimal interaction with other components |
| 19:38 |
hmmmm |
because the whole point of it is to be reliable for debugging |
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est31 |
I can understand it for unit tests |
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est31 |
but if you debug, why not use cout then? |
| 19:39 |
hmmmm |
because cout can't write to a file without taking all the input |
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hmmmm |
though I wonder how necessary this is |
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hmmmm |
because in theory, dstream is much more verbose than other logging levels |
| 19:41 |
est31 |
so dstream is an extra logging level for you? |
| 19:41 |
hmmmm |
you know what |
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hmmmm |
i think we can remove dstream |
| 19:42 |
hmmmm |
it's not absolutely necessary to separate dstream output from other outputs |
| 19:42 |
hmmmm |
but we can also do that by using std::cerr |
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hmmmm |
std::cerr should be used in place of dstream then |
| 19:43 |
est31 |
so why do we log at all outside of our loglevels? |
| 19:44 |
est31 |
I mean the only reason why to log outside is 1. because its nicer to look at and 2. its more reliable |
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hmmmm |
well there are two reasons |
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est31 |
but 1. is only the case for unittests |
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hmmmm |
anywhere, really... none of the current dstream uses want a timestamp |
| 19:46 |
est31 |
and 2. is a reason yes, but I think no reason for code thats inside git |
| 19:46 |
est31 |
but only when you want to debug logging itself |
| 19:46 |
est31 |
there you can use cout too |
| 19:46 |
est31 |
or cerr |
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est31 |
with a nice prefix |
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est31 |
and SN has added g_log_outputs_stream, so that can be used |
| 19:49 |
est31 |
also what are your thoughts bout #2559 hmmmm? |
| 19:49 |
est31 |
settings aren't available yet when we start logging, are they? |
| 19:50 |
est31 |
gtg |
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est31 |
by |
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est31 |
e |
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kahrl |
I like using dstream for number crunching purposes |
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kahrl |
say, when there's a slow function that is called often, I may do dstream << "whatever_function took " << timetaker.getTimerTime() << std::endl; |
| 19:57 |
kahrl |
and then run grep + some other commands on debug.txt to get meaningful statistics from that |
| 19:58 |
kahrl |
so this is nice because it's written to a file, and the lack of timestamps makes extracting the data easier |
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Wuzzy |
does Minetest have some profiling utilities for mods? |
| 20:10 |
VanessaE |
yes actually |
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VanessaE |
there's a build-in profiler, not sure how to use it though |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
use this: https://github.com/t4im/profiler |
| 20:11 |
VanessaE |
(it works a bit better than the in-built one) |
| 20:19 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: you given any further thought about colored light sources? |
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zat |
Is there a profiler for Lua like freeminer's? |
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hmmmm |
zat: yes |
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hmmmm |
vanessae: not recently, no |
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VanessaE |
ok. |
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hmmmm |
hmm |
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hmmmm |
I wonder if there's an open source version of jira |
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hmmmm |
that would be useful for organizing these things |
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rom1504 |
gitlab |
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hmmmm |
est31: yeah, I like 2559 |
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hmmmm |
ever since i upgraded to freebsd 10 i've been having problems combining certain libraries with certain others |
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hmmmm |
can't link -lIrrlicht together with anything GTK-related or else i get an instant segfault in libGL |
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hmmmm |
dammit |
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zat |
hmmmm: how do I get it and use it? |
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kahrl |
what happened to lists.minetest.net? |
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kahrl |
I get a domain squatter like page when I go there |
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sfan5 |
parked domain |
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sfan5 |
wat |
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hmmmm |
zat, builtin/profiler.lua iirc |
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sfan5 |
looks like someone forgot to renew something |
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hmmmm |
no idea how to use it. i never used it myself |
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hmmmm |
how on earth could a subdomain get squatted |
| 21:43 |
sfan5 |
hmmmm: maybe it used different dns servers for some reason |
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sfan5 |
lists.minetest.net.600INCNAMEsmtp.inchra.net. |
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sfan5 |
or that |
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sfan5 |
ShadowNinja let inchra.net expire |
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sofar |
he should not make it a CNAME then |
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sofar |
just an A record to the host |
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sfan5 |
but in that case ShadowNinja would have to bug c55 when the IP changes |
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sfan5 |
also mails require domain names |
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sfan5 |
you need an MX record |
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sfan5 |
and you probably want a TXT record with SPF |
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sofar |
where's mailman hosted then? |
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sofar |
or, whatever list daemon it used |
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sfan5 |
looking at where the CNAME points i'd guess it's hosted on ShadowNinja's server |
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sofar |
my bet is that the smtp still works as it redirects to p.nsm.ctmail.com |
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sofar |
unless he also unplugged the smtp :^) |
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sofar |
this is how I ended up hosting 25 mailinglists for various projects at one point in time... lol |
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VanessaE |
sfan5: indeed, inchra.net domain expired a few days ago |
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