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03:02 |
Zeno` |
Wayward_One, is the latest git still giving you problems? It seems ok to me now |
03:04 |
Zeno` |
i.e. I am getting 5 fps under callgrind (singleplayer game) which is about the same as I get connecting to a local server |
03:09 |
Zeno` |
although g_fontengine->getTextHeight() is kind of expensive |
03:09 |
Zeno` |
hmm |
03:20 |
hmmmm |
Zeno`, cache all of the things |
03:21 |
Zeno` |
I was just looking through the source code to see how "cacheable" text height is |
03:22 |
hmmmm |
seemingly a lot of things sapier coded are expensive computations and he completely disregards the fact that the entire loop has to complete in under 16 milliseconds |
03:22 |
hmmmm |
whenever i code crap that goes into main render loops i put performance first |
03:24 |
Zeno` |
yeah of course |
03:25 |
Zeno` |
currently it's being called 3 times in one function as well (gcc and most other compilers will not 'cache' those calls away) |
03:25 |
hmmmm |
yep :( |
03:25 |
hmmmm |
obviously all this stuff needs a lot of work |
03:26 |
hmmmm |
anyway, if you want to optimize that you can since I'd argue it's part of a bugfix |
03:26 |
hmmmm |
the bug being horrendous regressions |
03:26 |
Zeno` |
thinking about it they can't really... without looking at getTextHeight() and what it does (which all-of-program optimisation might do because it's part of the same program but if it's in a lib it will never 'cache' them) |
03:26 |
hmmmm |
and I'm building ASAP |
03:26 |
Zeno` |
ok... I'm just tracking down to see how/when font can change first |
03:27 |
Zeno` |
Oh, there is already a font setting changed callback anyway |
03:28 |
Zeno` |
oh, it's not as nice as I'd hoped heh |
03:28 |
hmmmm |
all these darn settings callbacks... |
03:48 |
Zeno` |
I wish I'd finished my callback manager |
03:49 |
Zeno` |
it's next on my list anyway |
03:49 |
Zeno` |
more annoying is right now is how many settings might affect font height :/ |
03:51 |
* Zeno` |
has to think |
03:53 |
Zeno` |
ok, I know |
03:53 |
Zeno` |
I'll use the hammer :D |
04:00 |
Zeno` |
lol, there is a bug anyway. /set font_size 10 |
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04:07 |
Zeno` |
err ~CGUITTFont() drops the driver? |
04:09 |
kahrl |
Zeno`: the constructor grabs it |
04:10 |
Zeno` |
yeah, just saw that |
04:11 |
Zeno` |
I' |
04:11 |
Zeno` |
I'd better recompile... my bt seems odd |
04:16 |
Zeno` |
kahrl, are you familiar with this area of the code? |
04:16 |
kahrl |
nope |
04:16 |
kahrl |
I mean, I added it back in the day, but I never really read how it works |
04:17 |
Zeno` |
ok |
04:17 |
Zeno` |
I'll start reading docs (making a sandwich first) |
04:17 |
kahrl |
copy-paste coding ;) but it's okay since it's library-like |
04:26 |
Zeno` |
Maybe I could pretend it doesn't crash and just go back to caching it. At least there is no danger of it changing xD |
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04:55 |
hmmmm |
hrmmm |
04:55 |
VanessaE |
uh oh |
04:55 |
VanessaE |
he's thinking again |
04:55 |
* VanessaE |
hides |
04:56 |
hmmmm |
so: irrlicht, sqlite, zlib, openal, freetype, gettext, luajit, am I missing anything? |
04:56 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: curl |
04:56 |
hmmmm |
i never made an official build before |
04:56 |
hmmmm |
ahh |
04:56 |
kahrl |
vorbis? |
04:56 |
hmmmm |
I didn't realize I needed to add that separate |
04:56 |
hmmmm |
well the good news is, once I get this set up I won't ever have to do it again =] |
04:56 |
VanessaE |
also boost + leveldb |
04:56 |
hmmmm |
boost?? |
04:56 |
VanessaE |
if you wanna support that, that is |
04:56 |
hmmmm |
why, does leveldb use boost? |
04:57 |
VanessaE |
idk |
04:57 |
VanessaE |
maybe that's since changed |
04:57 |
hmmmm |
shrug |
04:58 |
kahrl |
s/vorbis/ogg, vorbis, vorbisfile/ |
04:59 |
VanessaE |
you may also need an ssl lib, I *think* |
04:59 |
hmmmm |
oh god |
04:59 |
VanessaE |
(to make curl happy) |
04:59 |
hmmmm |
and i need to recompile 64 bit variants for each |
04:59 |
hmmmm |
this is insanity |
04:59 |
VanessaE |
strike that, it IS curl I'm thinking of |
05:00 |
VanessaE |
libcurl4-openssl-dev or libcurl4-nss-dev or libcurl4-gnutls-dev |
05:00 |
VanessaE |
(well as they exist on debian derivs anyway) |
05:01 |
hmmmm |
can a nossl build be used? |
05:01 |
VanessaE |
I don't see why not |
05:01 |
VanessaE |
the only reason we even use curl is for media fetching and the server list |
05:01 |
VanessaE |
and the mod store |
05:01 |
VanessaE |
which...might be ssl |
05:02 |
VanessaE |
well the website is https anyway |
05:02 |
VanessaE |
( https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/ ) |
05:02 |
hmmmm |
nvm i found ssl builds for each |
05:03 |
VanessaE |
ok |
05:03 |
Zeno` |
I think I'll write the callback manager first |
05:04 |
VanessaE |
<offtopic> |
05:04 |
VanessaE |
~seen sapier |
05:04 |
ShadowBot |
VanessaE: I saw sapier in #minetest-dev 6 days, 6 hours, 8 minutes, and 37 seconds ago saying "steam? isn't this the tool deleting users homedir?" |
05:04 |
VanessaE |
</offtopic> |
05:04 |
VanessaE |
fek. |
05:06 |
Zeno` |
I am not writing 12 callbacks for font height cache |
05:07 |
hmmmm |
AHHHHHH |
05:07 |
VanessaE |
? |
05:07 |
Zeno` |
should be able to add a callback for *any* settings changed |
05:07 |
hmmmm |
all the curl builds are of the command line utility |
05:07 |
Zeno` |
instead of one callback per setting |
05:08 |
hmmmm |
you're not able to register the same callback for multiple settings? |
05:08 |
hmmmm |
from what I remember of the callback mechanism, it passes along the name of the setting that changed |
05:08 |
hmmmm |
why would it pass that along if it were designed to be one callback per setting |
05:10 |
Zeno` |
you're able to use the same one, yeah |
05:10 |
Zeno` |
but still |
05:10 |
Zeno` |
anyway have to fix the bug first |
05:10 |
Zeno` |
otherwise the callback is useless anyway :) |
05:11 |
Zeno` |
then I'll call registerChangedCallback() 12 times (or however many font-related settings there are) :/ |
05:13 |
Zeno` |
or others that *may* affect font size |
05:15 |
hmmmm |
btw |
05:16 |
Zeno` |
Anyway, I'm not sure if Wayward_One still has the singleplayer problem. I've just profiled HEAD twice and it seems similar to connecting to a local server now |
05:16 |
hmmmm |
i wonder how android doesn't have an exception on startup immediately |
05:16 |
Zeno` |
it probably does |
05:16 |
Zeno` |
why do you ask? |
05:16 |
hmmmm |
notice how screen_dpi is not set in #ifdef __ANDROID__ |
05:16 |
hmmmm |
for the defaults |
05:17 |
Zeno` |
well does it compile anyway? lol |
05:17 |
Zeno` |
oh... hmmm |
05:17 |
hmmmm |
also android, to my knowledge, does not use Xorg and therefore would not use the X DPI query |
05:17 |
hmmmm |
so it'd default to g_settings->getFloat("screen_dpi") or whatever |
05:17 |
hmmmm |
and therefore blow a SettingsNotFoundException |
05:18 |
hmmmm |
unless I'm totally mistaken somehow |
05:18 |
hmmmm |
i can't do android builds so |
05:19 |
Zeno` |
I don't think you're mistake |
05:19 |
Zeno` |
wonder why it works :/ |
05:20 |
Zeno` |
(or why the exception doesn't work) |
05:20 |
hmmmm |
maybe nobody tried a recent enough build |
05:22 |
VanessaE |
is not http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=g9c63a08b33eb932899961019369bd677d164a74aa new enough? |
05:22 |
hmmmm |
maybe the java executed on startup writes a screen_dpi to a pregenerated minetest.conf |
05:22 |
VanessaE |
that's the most recent one sapier released anyway |
05:22 |
VanessaE |
from roughly Jan 17 though |
05:23 |
Zeno` |
grepping for screen_dpi doesn't show anything that appears specifically and only for android |
05:23 |
hmmmm |
:| |
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05:23 |
Zeno` |
maybe android disables exceptions |
05:23 |
hmmmm |
this is a logistics nightmare |
05:24 |
hmmmm |
how am I supposed to release knowing full well there might be a bug with android |
05:24 |
hmmmm |
but nobody currently present can actually verify |
05:24 |
Zeno` |
well there is also #2269 |
05:24 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2269 -- string.cpp error on android build make |
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05:24 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: is this helpful? https://source.android.com/source/initializing.html` |
05:24 |
VanessaE |
well, minus the typo |
05:25 |
hmmmm |
no :) |
05:25 |
VanessaE |
I tied :P |
05:25 |
VanessaE |
tried* |
05:25 |
hmmmm |
I am not going to set up an android build environment, sorry |
05:25 |
Zeno` |
I had one set up |
05:25 |
hmmmm |
i only do build things because i need to |
05:25 |
Zeno` |
took me two days |
05:25 |
hmmmm |
right |
05:25 |
kahrl |
hmmmm: the getDisplayDensity porting_android.cpp does not use screen_dpi, it seems |
05:25 |
kahrl |
hmmmm: it calls some java stuff |
05:25 |
Zeno` |
and then I upgraded Fedora and kind of broke it |
05:25 |
hmmmm |
kahrl: ahh ok |
05:26 |
kahrl |
getDisplayDensity in* |
05:26 |
Zeno` |
I grepped the wrong string ;) |
05:26 |
hmmmm |
i guess i never saw porting_android.cpp because my IDE project file is chronically out of date =] |
05:27 |
hmmmm |
yep, got it |
05:27 |
hmmmm |
...on that note, shouldn't we cache porting_android.cpp's variant of getDisplayDensity too? |
05:28 |
hmmmm |
as if that didn't murder performance on the PC enough, it'd be absolutely fatal on android |
05:28 |
hmmmm |
same with getDisplaySize |
05:28 |
kahrl |
that would make sense, wouldn't it |
05:29 |
hmmmm |
too much sense. |
05:29 |
kahrl |
although with getDisplaySize, I dunno if that changes if you hold the phone vertically instead of horizontally |
05:29 |
kahrl |
I doubt irrlicht handles that properly anyway though |
05:43 |
hmmmm |
good point... |
05:46 |
hmmmm |
kahrl, http://xiph.org/downloads/ doesn't have vorbisfile |
05:46 |
hmmmm |
I would assume if anywhere it'd be there |
05:47 |
kahrl |
might be part of libvorbis? |
05:55 |
hmmmm |
i'd think so |
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VanessaE |
bbl |
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hmmmm |
yeah nevermind about the getDisplayDensity android stuff.. there is a static value caching there |
07:04 |
kahrl |
oh, right |
07:05 |
hmmmm |
i don't think i'm going to be able to make the builds tonight.... i'm dead tired at the moment and leveldb is extremely uncooperative |
07:06 |
kahrl |
is leveldb required? |
07:07 |
hmmmm |
i would argue it is |
07:07 |
hmmmm |
all the previous windows builds included it, right? |
07:07 |
kahrl |
no idea |
07:09 |
kahrl |
I don't see it in the msvc 32-bit build of 0.4.10 |
07:10 |
kahrl |
nor the 64-bit one |
07:10 |
kahrl |
it's not in 0.4.9 either |
07:11 |
hmmmm |
i suppose i can skip it here too |
07:11 |
kahrl |
of course, it could just be compiled in statically so there is no dll |
07:16 |
kahrl |
if you do want to include it, perhaps try the fork at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/src/leveldb |
07:17 |
kahrl |
(its WINDOWS.md is somewhat promising) |
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08:39 |
nrzkt |
hmmmm, release will happend today ? :) |
08:40 |
kahrl |
nrzkt: if all goes well, probably |
08:41 |
nrzkt |
that's cool, and the new branch will be created ? |
08:41 |
kahrl |
what branch? |
08:43 |
nrzkt |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11172 |
08:43 |
nrzkt |
one master branch and one release branch |
08:44 |
kahrl |
well there won't be a release right after the release, I hope |
08:44 |
kahrl |
so no need for a branch right now |
08:46 |
nrzkt |
ofc, but this permit to re-open contributions. The development is stalled since 3 weeks |
08:47 |
kahrl |
http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2015-02-08#i_4146398 |
08:47 |
kilbith |
the -dev branch should be opened just before the freeze |
08:48 |
nrzkt |
perfect |
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gregorycu__ |
How's the release looking? |
12:37 |
gregorycu__ |
Not the best it appears |
12:37 |
gregorycu__ |
Better late than never |
12:52 |
celeron55 |
lol i just looked at the forum; looks like some spambot manages to create spam reports about random topics |
12:52 |
celeron55 |
wait, no, i was mistaken |
12:52 |
* celeron55 |
is the worst forum moderator |
12:58 |
celeron55 |
so, this goes in action now https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11172 |
12:59 |
celeron55 |
so if the release happens today, i won't go messing around with any branches for now |
13:00 |
gregorycu__ |
That |
13:00 |
gregorycu__ |
That's from 4 years ago? |
13:01 |
gregorycu__ |
Oops, misread your join date as post date |
13:01 |
gregorycu__ |
Nevermind me |
13:01 |
celeron55 |
if the freeze hasn't ended tomorrow, the freeze will be moved to another branch then |
13:01 |
nrzkt |
no news from hmmmm, he was trying to test windows build 12 hours ago |
13:02 |
gregorycu__ |
Anything I can help with |
13:02 |
gregorycu__ |
Nothing is listed as a blocker so I'm not sure what's going on...? |
13:03 |
nrzkt |
hmmmm doesn't have time to finish the release yet |
13:04 |
gregorycu__ |
Is it the perf issue I highlighted ages ago? With regards to fade in - out? |
13:04 |
nrzkt |
celeron55, what is your local hour please ? :) |
13:04 |
gregorycu__ |
celeron55: I found a somewhat significant issue with rendering on my machine |
13:05 |
gregorycu__ |
(I have no idea who the graphics expert is, it seems to be you) |
13:05 |
gregorycu__ |
nrzkt: He must be sleeping |
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celeron55 |
nrzkt: EET |
13:14 |
celeron55 |
(UTC+2 at winter, UTC+3 at summer) |
13:16 |
nrzkt |
okay, then i could say we are on the same day |
13:18 |
gregorycu__ |
I am 17 minutes into a new day |
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Zeno` |
is there a 0.4.12 branch yet? |
13:30 |
nrzkt |
no, celeron55 mention it but there isn't |
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celeron55 |
http://dev.minetest.net/All_rules_regarding_to_development |
14:09 |
celeron55 |
i updated the development wiki to actually have a common page for these things |
14:09 |
celeron55 |
it's not perfect but at least i now had a place to add the new rules in 8-) |
14:10 |
celeron55 |
i think that if you want to get onto some PR merging right now, create the freeze-0.4.12 branch and get on it |
14:11 |
celeron55 |
there's not much that can go wrong i guess |
14:12 |
celeron55 |
or actually |
14:13 |
celeron55 |
i wonder if our existing build scripts can handle a release that was made in a different branch and isn't directly a commit from master's history? |
14:13 |
celeron55 |
i guess if they just pull a tagged commit from the repo, it should work |
14:17 |
celeron55 |
i did add this in there too: "If a core developer does not have time for doing anything, their tasks will be explicitly moved to be done by someone else." |
14:18 |
celeron55 |
but that is a bit problematic due to us generally not having anyone to do the thing |
14:20 |
celeron55 |
--- |
14:22 |
celeron55 |
however, now my main worry is that as i am not willing to allocate time for evaluating every core developer's work and all comments in every pull request and issue and i have to rely on other people noticing important problems regarding to those and reporting them to me, how do i get people to do that |
14:25 |
celeron55 |
maybe it's not an issue and the key here is just having those rules explicitly stated |
14:27 |
nrzkt |
thanks celeron55 |
14:29 |
nrzkt |
the wiki modifications are good :) |
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celeron55 |
everyone: you can merge pull requests if you want, as long as you create an untouched freeze branch on github before doing it |
14:43 |
celeron55 |
oh whatever, i'll do it myself |
14:44 |
celeron55 |
it's now there |
14:45 |
celeron55 |
(probably nobody will do anything and hmmmm will just remove it tomorrow, but whatever) |
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nrzkt |
thanks celeron55, good news ! |
14:57 |
kilbith |
the right measures by the right man |
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15:11 |
celeron55 |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=169771#p169771 |
15:12 |
celeron55 |
one more rule about a thing that has bothered me (and probably many others) for some time |
15:15 |
celeron55 |
i'm not going to touch any PRs today due to not being around lately and this rule not strictly existing previously, but with this i might end up doing that more in the future |
15:17 |
nrzkt |
you talk about old PRs ? |
15:21 |
celeron55 |
well, relating to this, all of them are old |
15:22 |
nrzkt |
yes, and they doesn't permit to have a global view of the project and the user needs |
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17:37 |
Krock |
Does anyone here have experience with zlib? Somehow, the special characters support is lost when I use 1.2.8 with the following change: https://github.com/SmallJoker/minetest/commit/1c5dd |
17:39 |
Krock |
Well, maybe it's a problem with gettext because I had to edit that file to get rid off some errors |
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JakubVanek |
zlib is compression library afaik, so if zlib is broken then everything should be broken |
17:52 |
JakubVanek |
gettext is more likely to cause it |
17:53 |
Krock |
hmm okay |
17:53 |
JakubVanek |
sorry for my poor grammar, english is not my native language |
17:53 |
Krock |
still, I like any help I get |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi |
18:12 |
luizrpgluiz |
someone please tell me, when you leave the new version of minetest? |
18:12 |
JakubVanek |
Krock: latest Linux Ubuntu build, zlib 1.2.8, Czech language: http://s29.postimg.org/4imebu2nb/Screenshot_9_2_2015_19_10_38.png |
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JakubVanek |
Krock: that limits the problem to Windows |
18:13 |
JakubVanek |
I don't know many differences between mingw and msvc build |
18:13 |
JakubVanek |
but there can be some |
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JakubVanek |
bbl |
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luizrpgluiz |
celeron55: hi |
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rubenwardy |
rebased #1843 |
18:37 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1843 -- Add setting to customise stack max by rubenwardy |
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rubenwardy |
What metadata would you think may be useful in the future, or now? |
18:50 |
rubenwardy |
Like #2201 |
18:50 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2201 -- Mod Meta |
18:51 |
rubenwardy |
How should forks with the same modname be supported? |
18:51 |
rubenwardy |
Should they be? |
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JakubVanek |
mod sites would be good, release count shouldn't be just number but semantic version |
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rubenwardy |
The whole point is that the release count is machine readabout |
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rubenwardy |
*able |
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rubenwardy |
The version is for semantic versions |
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Robert_Zenz |
rubenwardy, semantic versions are just as good machine-readable, it's just three numbers stuffed into a single object. |
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rubenwardy |
It makes it simpler to process this way. |
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rubenwardy |
We can see what the core team thinks |
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rubenwardy |
#2272 |
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ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2272 -- Environmental Sounds |
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est31 |
Hi, I think d902bd31introduced an error |
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est31 |
Hi, I think d902bd31 introduced an error* |
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kahrl |
it introduced a typo in the commit message? :P |
19:31 |
est31 |
can be fixed for example by merging #2225 |
19:31 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2225 -- Fixes for minetest.get_(all_)craft_recipe(s) by gregorycu |
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est31 |
nono |
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est31 |
crafts that have multiple numbers of the stuff as output arent found anymore |
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est31 |
s/multiple numbers/a number > 1/ |
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kahrl |
dunno why that would happen, it checks for NUL or ' ', doesn't it? |
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est31 |
ah yes |
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kahrl |
although I don't understand why only getCraftRecipe was changed and not getCraftRecipes |
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est31 |
because that doesnt need a fixc |
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est31 |
its already bypassed in the lua handling code |
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est31 |
and the method isnt used anywhere else |
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est31 |
s/bypassed/taken care of/ |
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kahrl |
oh, ok |
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kahrl |
I don't think that is great code style but meh |
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est31 |
ok you are right the method seems to work |
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est31 |
but still I get one craft as not listed |
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est31 |
I'll test whether its the fault of the mod |
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est31 |
ok its very likely its the mod's fault |
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est31 |
so whats blocking for the release now |
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JakubVanek |
i thought that hmmmm is preparing build |
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JakubVanek |
~seen hmmmm |
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ShadowBot |
JakubVanek: I saw hmmmm in #minetest-dev 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 40 seconds ago saying "i suppose i can skip it here too" |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi all |
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fireglow |
hi luizrpgluiz |
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