| Time |
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| 00:10 |
kilbith |
sapier, tested your fixes. 1.0 scaling (still too big) : https://mediacru.sh/5d8b9692bfbb |
| 00:11 |
kilbith |
at 0.85, the GUI scaling is nice (should be set by default) but the fonts still too skinny : https://mediacru.sh/04d769827be2 |
| 00:14 |
sapier |
don't bother to do any testing kilbith I'm already about to revert it |
| 00:14 |
kilbith |
hmm no, i revert what i said. At 800x600 resolution and 0.85, the GUI scaling is not OK : https://mediacru.sh/GN_fmixLJCvy |
| 00:14 |
sapier |
I'll switch android port to a new improved interpreter and you pc only guys can do what you want on it I don't care any longer |
| 00:14 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: GUI scaling is fine. Font scaling just has to be static. |
| 00:15 |
sapier |
You can fix it later I'm tired about having everyone tell different things |
| 00:15 |
sapier |
btw I already reverted this part about 6h ago it still wasn't enough |
| 00:15 |
kilbith |
the chat bug seems to be fixed, though |
| 00:15 |
sapier |
that's been when I decided it's not worth continueing |
| 00:15 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Are fonts scaled to points now? |
| 00:16 |
ShadowNinja |
If so, it should be fine now. |
| 00:16 |
sapier |
read logs sfan5 still wasn't ok with it at all |
| 00:17 |
ShadowNinja |
I'll check it myself soon. |
| 00:17 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: I noticed that I can't select servers in your latest android build. |
| 00:18 |
ShadowNinja |
Quick fix or should I make an issue? |
| 00:18 |
sapier |
don't waste your time I'm switching pc version back to old broken version, of course everyone will be free to use the fixed interpreter there too but only android will default to it |
| 00:19 |
sapier |
I don't know I'm gonna handle it once I completed the formspec rollback |
| 00:19 |
ShadowNinja |
Just disable it in the non-Android build for now. |
| 00:20 |
sapier |
it's not a feature you can disable |
| 00:20 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: #ifdef __ANDROID__ |
| 00:20 |
sapier |
it's a major modification to positioning and I'm not gonna mix up both stypes of positioning |
| 00:21 |
sapier |
pc formspecs would still react to dpi, a thing they didn't on 0.4.9 |
| 00:21 |
sapier |
so the only way to get identical result is switching everything back to old code |
| 00:24 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: I thought you said it was needed for Android. |
| 00:24 |
sapier |
that's why I'm gonna place the fixed interpreter in parallel |
| 00:24 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: With ifdefs? |
| 00:24 |
sapier |
no |
| 00:24 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: How then? |
| 00:24 |
sapier |
I'm gonna use the formspec version |
| 00:25 |
sapier |
version 2xxx will be automatically routed to new interpreter |
| 00:25 |
ShadowNinja |
Er, that's a server-side server-wide field. |
| 00:25 |
sapier |
well it is now |
| 00:25 |
sapier |
if you don't agree to this I can just add a new field formspec_type=interpreterv2 |
| 00:26 |
sapier |
or interpreter_version |
| 00:26 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: I'm not entirely convinced that this can't be done without breaking everything. |
| 00:27 |
sapier |
it can be done it's less work then continuing to try to make everyone happy as I don't longer believe this task is possible at all |
| 00:28 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Anyway, do you know of any other GUI description languages that we can implement? HTML would be good because it's pretty complete, but I don't know if that's even possible with Irrlicht. |
| 00:29 |
sapier |
ShadowNinja even if I did know I'm tired about discussing this topic any serious attempt to rewrite formspec will cost about 4 weeks of fulltime develomplent and then everyone will be against it |
| 00:31 |
sapier |
and html is still only half of it you need event processing ... at least html form handling design would match our current way of handling forms |
| 00:32 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Just provide a PR / pull and wait a bit before you do anything drastic. HTML seems like a huge ammount of work, if it's even doable. |
| 00:33 |
ezraanderson |
not sure how complicated it is, but is it possible to FOB the gui objects to a static size 1280x720 then scale it accordingly. I however think its a non-issue and scaling seems fine the way it is |
| 00:34 |
sapier |
I'm gonna provide the pull reverting and moving androud to own interpreter ... that's gonna be my last pull for formspec (maybe except of the android part) |
| 00:34 |
ShadowNinja |
Idea: give client-side Lua wrappers around Irrlicht's GUI functions and have it generate forms itself. |
| 00:34 |
sapier |
I don't understand how this is supposed to help? |
| 00:34 |
ShadowNinja |
That way you don't have to cache formspecs in node meta. |
| 00:34 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: No hacky GUI language. |
| 00:34 |
sapier |
sounds like "client theme" to me |
| 00:35 |
ShadowNinja |
It will still have scaling issues though. |
| 00:35 |
sapier |
it's even more hacky as you'd have to keep bothe consistent theme engine as well as formspec engine |
| 00:35 |
sapier |
well we can discuss this once I completed my current task |
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| 02:33 |
sapier |
ShadowNinja: I'm gonna have to split simple and mainmenu completely again as the formspecs for them will require different positions |
| 02:46 |
sapier |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2096 |
| 02:46 |
sapier |
back to 0.4.9 |
| 02:46 |
hmmmm |
well hey |
| 02:46 |
sapier |
I' mgonna fix android once this is merged |
| 02:47 |
hmmmm |
i don't see why you need to revert the entire thing to make formspec scaling work the way it used to |
| 02:47 |
sapier |
incompatible to current formspec engine but with consistent positioning |
| 02:47 |
sapier |
I'm not gonna add compatibility code there but just cut off all ancient things |
| 02:48 |
hmmmm |
oh nevermind |
| 02:48 |
hmmmm |
i thought you got rid of fontengine which i liked a lot |
| 02:48 |
sapier |
hmmmm it's just impossible to make it scale as before but fix the issue "it's not scaling" |
| 02:48 |
sapier |
0.4.9 contained hardcoded offsets and position dependencys to font size |
| 02:48 |
hmmmm |
hrmmm |
| 02:48 |
sapier |
it's simply not possible to fix this without having to change the formspecs |
| 02:49 |
hmmmm |
I'm personally ok with breaking compatibility here |
| 02:49 |
hmmmm |
the next version, whatever that may be, i guess could be an era of new stuff that lacks compatibility but works properly with no hacks |
| 02:50 |
sapier |
we could get close but obviously close will never be close enough for a couple of ppl so let them have their own broken thing and do a new correct version used on android only ... at least for the time beeing |
| 02:50 |
sapier |
no hmmm I'm not gonna put any effort in pc formspec code |
| 02:51 |
sapier |
I'm gonna do it right for android but I wont touch the regular mainmenu stuff |
| 02:51 |
sapier |
if I did I was in exactly same fight I'm right now |
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paramat |
yes i really like the new fonts, i hope we keep them, nicely defined instead of fuzzy and rounded as they were before |
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| 05:36 |
VanessaE |
jesus fuck. how hard is it to just make formspecs behave like a regular GUI would? fonts specified in points, some default size that's similar to 0.4.9, fixed size across the board by default unless a mod explicitly requests a larger size, and not dependent on window size? |
| 05:37 |
VanessaE |
G*d this is two days in a row I've missed out on this huge-ass argument |
| 05:37 |
VanessaE |
(and both times, someone highlighted me at some point) |
| 05:41 |
Zeno` |
You sleep too much, you miss out on the action :P |
| 05:41 |
VanessaE |
I was watching movies. |
| 05:56 |
Zeno` |
ShadowNinja, how is #2099 related to 2095? |
| 05:56 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2099 -- server flag icons dont show |
| 05:57 |
Zeno` |
Oh, you mean 2095 might fix the issue (after incorporating your comment)? |
| 05:57 |
ShadowNinja |
Zeno`: Both involve missing minetest.formspec_escape with paths. |
| 05:58 |
Zeno` |
yes I understand now. I thought you meant 2095 caused it. My bad |
| 05:58 |
ShadowNinja |
The PR has to be extended to the other images too though. |
| 05:58 |
Zeno` |
yeah |
| 06:02 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: we have a serious mapgen problem |
| 06:03 |
VanessaE |
I've seen at least two reports of this: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2001102015%20-%2001%3a03%3a25%20AM.png |
| 06:03 |
VanessaE |
and now it's happening on MY server also |
| 06:03 |
VanessaE |
there is NO code in any of my mods that can possibly do this |
| 06:04 |
VanessaE |
(except for the trees and plants on the top, those had to be added after the "corrupt" blocks were generated) |
| 06:04 |
hmmmm |
that looks pretty interesting |
| 06:04 |
hmmmm |
fun is the word |
| 06:05 |
hmmmm |
i've done nothing that could result in that sort of thing. but it looks like out-of-bounds memory access at first glance |
| 06:06 |
hmmmm |
sorry .. i have not seen anything like this |
| 06:06 |
Zeno` |
it's... strange |
| 06:08 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: yeah you have, |
| 06:08 |
VanessaE |
you showed me a screenshot the other day |
| 06:08 |
hmmmm |
? |
| 06:08 |
VanessaE |
diagonal "stripes" of blocks running through the corrupt block |
| 06:08 |
VanessaE |
s/blocks/nodes/ |
| 06:08 |
hmmmm |
that was like a month ago |
| 06:08 |
VanessaE |
maybe a month ago then - this isn't an up-to-date build, it's a bit old, fairly close to 0.4.11 |
| 06:09 |
hmmmm |
that wasn't an existing bug, it was a laughably failed attempt at adding write-without-read LuaVoxelManip functionality |
| 06:09 |
VanessaE |
well this looks exactly like that screenshot you showed. |
| 06:09 |
hmmmm |
i thought the pattern it made was neat so I pasted it. that code never made it into minetest |
| 06:09 |
hmmmm |
so i uploaded and pasted a link to it* |
| 06:10 |
VanessaE |
right |
| 06:10 |
hmmmm |
s/pasted/posted/ |
| 06:10 |
VanessaE |
I wonder if what you saw is indicative of something you *weren't* working on, but merely uncovered? |
| 06:10 |
Zeno` |
Another screenshot of the same area but from above: http://i.imgur.com/0adAW4s.jpg |
| 06:11 |
hmmmm |
no, it wasn't at all. that is completely unrelated to what you're seeing. |
| 06:11 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 06:11 |
hmmmm |
what would be very helpful is measuring the dimensions of the messed up part, and the coordinates |
| 06:11 |
VanessaE |
sure, one moment. |
| 06:11 |
hmmmm |
in that second screenshot i can tell it's a mapblock wide but no clue on the rest of it |
| 06:12 |
VanessaE |
one corner is at ~10016,78,174 |
| 06:12 |
VanessaE |
opposite to that is ~9967,63,144 |
| 06:12 |
VanessaE |
that's for the one that is on the right in my screenshot, left in zeno's |
| 06:12 |
hmmmm |
what's the ~ for |
| 06:13 |
VanessaE |
approximate - the corners contain a lot of air |
| 06:13 |
VanessaE |
lemme see if I can narrow it down |
| 06:13 |
hmmmm |
so i'll assume you actually meant 9968 |
| 06:14 |
hmmmm |
and i think you're wrong about the y dimension |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
hold, I'll use worldedit to get the exact coords. |
| 06:14 |
VanessaE |
there. 9968,64,144 to 10015,80,175 |
| 06:15 |
paramat |
weird 8) |
| 06:15 |
VanessaE |
there's a 1-node variation at the top, might be from mudflow |
| 06:15 |
hmmmm |
well the bottom corner is accurate at least 8) |
| 06:15 |
hmmmm |
so that's 48x16x32 |
| 06:15 |
hmmmm |
3x1x2 |
| 06:16 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 06:16 |
hmmmm |
yeah, beats me.. |
| 06:16 |
VanessaE |
at least 2 mapblocks thick |
| 06:16 |
hmmmm |
=/ |
| 06:16 |
hmmmm |
80 - 64 = 16, 16 is one mapblock |
| 06:16 |
hmmmm |
don't know how to say it any other way |
| 06:16 |
hmmmm |
that's one mapblock |
| 06:16 |
VanessaE |
hm, you're right, I miscounted |
| 06:16 |
VanessaE |
so yeah 3x1x2 |
| 06:17 |
hmmmm |
those aren't the right dimensions for being a mapchunk border issue |
| 06:17 |
VanessaE |
the other section seems to be 3x1x1 |
| 06:17 |
hmmmm |
hmm |
| 06:18 |
hmmmm |
wonder if this is a mod issue |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
I don't see how, there are no mods on this server that can create terrain like this |
| 06:18 |
VanessaE |
(and plantlife only adds stuff on top of e.g. dirt with grass, as you saw in the screenshot) |
| 06:19 |
paramat |
no wonder that tower block is flying with all those rotor blades |
| 06:19 |
VanessaE |
paramat: haha |
| 06:19 |
Zeno` |
lol |
| 06:20 |
VanessaE |
worldedit's //inspect command can't identify the "unknown" nodes in the chunk composed thereof |
| 06:20 |
VanessaE |
nor are they identified in the F5 display |
| 06:20 |
hmmmm |
yes... because it's garbage data |
| 06:21 |
VanessaE |
it's impossible for a mod to write this stuff even *with* a vmanip, isn't it? |
| 06:21 |
hmmmm |
that's what i'm trying to figure out right now |
| 06:21 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 06:21 |
hmmmm |
obviously it's not impossible because a mod can write anything they want to the vmanip |
| 06:22 |
VanessaE |
if it matters, nodes within the mess that produce light are correctly lighted |
| 06:22 |
hmmmm |
but it's not possible that the memory is allocated without being initialized in the vmanip |
| 06:23 |
VanessaE |
pieces of this were copied from elsewhere on the map, I recognize part of it |
| 06:23 |
hmmmm |
well i really can't come to any conclusions at this point. |
| 06:24 |
VanessaE |
there are centrifuges here with teleport tubes already connected, this particular configuration is something I know cheapie built near the server's spawn |
| 06:24 |
VanessaE |
(it's not something any mod can generate, it has to be hand-placed) |
| 06:26 |
hmmmm |
well like i said, that's garbage data |
| 06:26 |
VanessaE |
fair enough |
| 06:26 |
hmmmm |
it's not unheard of that some of the garbage data it read happened to be leftover from mapblocks it previously had allocated there |
| 06:26 |
hmmmm |
i don't think it's significant |
| 06:27 |
paramat |
hopefully a very rare but cool occurence, adds interest to a world |
| 06:27 |
VanessaE |
ok. safe to nuke it then? |
| 06:27 |
hmmmm |
yeah |
| 06:27 |
VanessaE |
all right |
| 06:27 |
hmmmm |
the only really important details I can get from this are: |
| 06:28 |
hmmmm |
- it's probably a voxelmanipulator related issue, not a mapgen issue |
| 06:28 |
hmmmm |
- it's not related to map chunk borders |
| 06:28 |
hmmmm |
- it's uninitialized data or data read out of bounds |
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kahrl |
uh, what is #2099 about |
| 07:06 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2099 -- server flag icons dont show |
| 07:06 |
kahrl |
image_column clearly calls formspec_escape so I don't get it |
| 07:07 |
hmmmm |
hrmm, what is the correct way to use FontEngine::getTextWidth() on a wide string |
| 07:08 |
kahrl |
hmmmm: what do you mean? > const std::wstring& text |
| 07:08 |
hmmmm |
ahhh stupid IDE |
| 07:08 |
hmmmm |
that helps |
| 07:12 |
paramat |
please could someone review my new PR #2103 ? |
| 07:12 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2103 -- Lua-api.txt: Document that paramtype=light is essential for a light source to spread its light by paramat |
| 07:15 |
Zeno` |
The value stores light with and without sun in its upper and lower 4 bits *respectively*. |
| 07:19 |
Zeno` |
looks ok to me, apart from the it's/its that kahrl mentioned, and my above comment |
| 07:26 |
paramat |
okay will update PR soon |
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Zeno` |
will merge #2102 soon |
| 12:07 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2102 -- Performance fixes. by onkrot |
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sapier |
veto |
| 12:08 |
sapier |
it'S gonna collide to formspec font reversion and applying it the other way round is way less work |
| 12:08 |
Zeno` |
oh, it conflicts? |
| 12:09 |
sapier |
of course whole guiFormspecMenu.cpp is reverted back to 0.4.9 state |
| 12:09 |
Zeno` |
yes, of course. ok |
| 12:09 |
Zeno` |
but is the font reversion going ahead? |
| 12:09 |
sapier |
I can't apply this reversion on top of your new changes but it's almost fine the other way round |
| 12:10 |
Zeno` |
They're not my changes :) |
| 12:10 |
sapier |
I'm quite sure because I wont continue discussing to all of you guys so live with your broken 0.4.9 way |
| 12:10 |
sapier |
android will use the new v2 interpreter I'm preparing right now |
| 12:11 |
sapier |
and no it's not gonna be compatible nor will I add any compatibility code there |
| 12:11 |
Zeno` |
man, we didn't mean that it should be abandoned completely |
| 12:13 |
Zeno` |
I've been so tired lately it's not funny, otherwise I would have been looking at the (current) font code myself to give you constructive suggestions |
| 12:14 |
Zeno` |
I dunno. Although I am very opposed to how things currently are I am also kind of opposed to "throwing code away" |
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sapier |
it's not only you Zeno`except of celeron who does require the fixed formspecs for android too not a single one supporting the fix is there. I'm not throwing the code away I'm just moving it in parallel to get rid of this discussion. |
| 12:56 |
sapier |
well except of zenos font scale fixes I didn't ever like that part but accepted it for compatibility reasons ... later one are gone now so no reason to keep it |
| 12:56 |
sapier |
-zeno + zefram |
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Guest66066 |
is it okay if I ping celeron |
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apdap |
CMakeFiles\minetest.dir\objects.a(serialization.cpp.obj)serialization.cpp|| undefined reference to `deflate'| |
| 13:51 |
nore |
sfan5, what do you think about _game #396? |
| 13:51 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/396 -- /kill [player] command |
| 13:51 |
apdap |
anyone? |
| 13:51 |
apdap |
nore, i like the idea |
| 13:52 |
apdap |
what about /kick too |
| 13:52 |
sfan5 |
apdap: nore was talking about https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/396 |
| 13:52 |
apdap |
I see |
| 13:53 |
apdap |
I'm having issues with zlib stuff, 'deflate' even though it's all linked correctly, can anyone send me their .cbp or whatever? |
| 13:53 |
sfan5 |
nore: looks good; can you merge it? (BlockMen has not been there since months, I think we currently need to continue dev. w/o him) |
| 13:53 |
sfan5 |
apdap: whats the exact problem? |
| 13:53 |
apdap |
undefined reference to `deflate'| |
| 13:53 |
apdap |
i had that with gettext too so I removed it |
| 13:54 |
nore |
sfan5, btw: what about allowing another dev or two? |
| 13:54 |
kilbith |
(yes yes yes) |
| 13:54 |
sfan5 |
nore: i have nothing against that but the question is who? |
| 13:54 |
sfan5 |
apdap: windows or linux? |
| 13:54 |
apdap |
windows |
| 13:55 |
sfan5 |
where did you acquire gettext and zlib? |
| 13:55 |
nore |
sfan5, I'd say perhaps SN or PA for dev, paramat for mapgen-related things, and kilbith for texturing |
| 13:55 |
Zeno` |
sfan5, I don't consider the user name "salt" heheh |
| 13:56 |
sfan5 |
Zeno`: maybe it's pepper then ;) |
| 13:56 |
Zeno` |
paprika maybe |
| 13:56 |
apdap |
sfan5, i don't remember, i did it some days ago, filename "gettext-0.14.4.exe" and "gettext-0.14.4-src.zip" |
| 13:56 |
apdap |
and zlib-1.2.5.tar.gz |
| 13:56 |
apdap |
i think I got gettext in source forge |
| 13:56 |
sfan5 |
apdap: can you try using the libraries the official windows builds use? |
| 13:56 |
sfan5 |
apdap: I'll give you a link |
| 13:57 |
sfan5 |
nore: PilzAdam for dev and paramat for mapgen things would be a good first addition |
| 13:58 |
apdap |
paragenv7 perhaps? |
| 13:58 |
apdap |
it's pretty cool IMO, |
| 13:58 |
sfan5 |
nah, we won't be integrating a lua mapgen into minetest_game |
| 13:58 |
nore |
kilbith does really good texturing too (and it looks like we almost always merged his PRs) |
| 13:58 |
kilbith |
well, i'm not sure textures needs a submaintainer |
| 13:59 |
kilbith |
Pilz & paramat should be sufficient enough |
| 13:59 |
sfan5 |
apdap: 32-bit: https://sfan5.pf-control.de/zlib-1.2.8-win32.zip and https://sfan5.pf-control.de/gettext-0.14.4.zip |
| 13:59 |
Zeno` |
there is mapgen stuff in minetest_game now? |
| 13:59 |
nore |
about mapgen, perhaps mapgen v7/v5 could be made default for mt_game |
| 14:00 |
apdap |
sfan5, is there any benefit in trying compiling it in 64 bits? |
| 14:00 |
nore |
Zeno`, yep, biomes defs for v5/7, but I'm not sure snow biomes exist in v6 |
| 14:00 |
sfan5 |
apdap: 64-bit: https://sfan5.pf-control.de/zlib-1.2.8-win64.zip and https://sfan5.pf-control.de/gettext-0.18.2-win64.zip |
| 14:00 |
sfan5 |
apdap: it could be faster with 64-bit |
| 14:00 |
sfan5 |
nore: v7 is not stable enough |
| 14:00 |
apdap |
okay then |
| 14:00 |
nore |
and v5? |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
dunno about v5 |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
it would make sense to at least have biome defs for v5 in _game |
| 14:01 |
Zeno` |
v5 has too much floating stuff |
| 14:01 |
nore |
I thought v7 was going to be frozen and continue to be developed as v8 |
| 14:01 |
apdap |
btw, why is the jump gravity so weird? |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
in short: we support v5, but it's not default |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
how about that? |
| 14:01 |
sfan5 |
apdap: what do you mean by "so weird"? |
| 14:02 |
sfan5 |
nore: iirc hmmmm hasn't decided on that yet |
| 14:02 |
apdap |
the gravity seems to be weird? i don't know how to explain really |
| 14:02 |
sfan5 |
nore: anyway, can you merge _game 396? |
| 14:02 |
Zeno` |
apdap, there is no terminal velocity afaik |
| 14:02 |
kilbith |
so you're agree about PA & paramat in the _game team, guys ? |
| 14:06 |
apdap |
is there any benefit with compiling with luajit instead of lua? better speed? |
| 14:06 |
apdap |
i'm using the normal lua lib to compile |
| 14:06 |
sfan5 |
apdap: if you use luajit mods run faster, lua mapgens benefit from this the most |
| 14:07 |
apdap |
ok |
| 14:07 |
apdap |
Zeno`, should I open a feature request on that in github or is it already being worked? |
| 14:13 |
nore |
sfan5, yep, doing it |
| 14:14 |
nore |
sfan5, btw, what about those from #390 to #395? |
| 14:14 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/390 -- Repeated right clicking when holding the right mouse button by Jeija |
| 14:14 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/395 -- Config file on XDG dir on Linux |
| 14:14 |
apdap |
i still get CMakeFiles\minetest.dir\objects.a(l_mainmenu.cpp.obj)l_mainmenu.cpp|| undefined reference to `__imp_libintl_gettext'| |
| 14:17 |
apdap |
is it a cmake problem? |
| 14:18 |
sfan5 |
nore: #390 yes, #391 looks not ready, #392 yes, #393 yes, #395 will need more review |
| 14:18 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/390 -- Repeated right clicking when holding the right mouse button by Jeija |
| 14:18 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/391 -- add lua api call to force save of settings to config file by sapier |
| 14:18 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/392 -- Fixed two typos in commit 615fd498bc by dannydark |
| 14:18 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/393 -- Conductive blocks/nodes |
| 14:18 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/395 -- Config file on XDG dir on Linux |
| 14:18 |
sfan5 |
apdap: are you linking to libintl |
| 14:18 |
sfan5 |
ShadowBot: ಠ_ಠ|
| 14:18 |
apdap |
sfan5, http://i.imgur.com/R9spQQ5.png |
| 14:19 |
nore |
ah, about #395, I have not checked the code yet, but from what I've seen in the comments, it is probably more efficient than #200 I created |
| 14:19 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/395 -- Config file on XDG dir on Linux |
| 14:19 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/200 -- clouds appear in front of water |
| 14:20 |
nore |
ShadowNinja, could you please change ShadowBot so that it links to the moste recently updated PR between _game and mt please? |
| 14:20 |
sfan5 |
apdap: the lua vars are only for luajit, they don't support using standard lua installations |
| 14:21 |
Zeno` |
libintl.dll.a? |
| 14:21 |
sfan5 |
apdap: you can also see that in the output below "LuaJIT not found, using bundled Lua." |
| 14:21 |
apdap |
can I force them anyways? |
| 14:21 |
apdap |
and what is the problem in cmake? i sent the screenshot |
| 14:22 |
apdap |
no idea what might be wrong |
| 14:22 |
sfan5 |
i don't see any problem |
| 14:22 |
sfan5 |
it seems correct |
| 14:22 |
Zeno` |
libintl.dll.a is correct? |
| 14:22 |
apdap |
i downloaded it from sfan5 |
| 14:22 |
sfan5 |
apdap: yes, you can force an external lua if you edit some stuff in the cmake files |
| 14:22 |
sfan5 |
Zeno`: yes |
| 14:23 |
sfan5 |
apdap: there are other incorrect things |
| 14:23 |
sfan5 |
apdap: IRRLICHT_LIBRARY needs to be the .dll.a or .a file for irrlicht |
| 14:23 |
sfan5 |
apdap: and you can ignore IRRLICHT_SOURCE_DIR |
| 14:25 |
sfan5 |
apdap: try looking at this page: http://dev.minetest.net/CMake_Options |
| 14:25 |
apdap |
thx |
| 14:26 |
apdap |
sfan5, i saw it now |
| 14:26 |
apdap |
gettext is all correct but it doesnt work |
| 14:26 |
apdap |
aw |
| 14:27 |
sfan5 |
what if you build without gettext |
| 14:27 |
apdap |
yeah |
| 14:27 |
apdap |
but I thought gettext would be pretty usefu |
| 14:27 |
apdap |
s/usefu/useful |
| 14:27 |
sfan5 |
thats correct |
| 14:28 |
apdap |
i don't have dll.a in my irrlicht folder |
| 14:28 |
apdap |
dll.a files* |
| 14:28 |
sfan5 |
http://sprunge.us/VOdO?diff <<< pushing this in 5 minutes |
| 14:29 |
sfan5 |
apdap: where did you download irrlicht |
| 14:29 |
apdap |
http://sourceforge.net/projects/irrlicht/files/Irrlicht%20SDK/1.7/1.7.3/irrlicht-1.7.3.zip/download?use_mirror=ufpr |
| 14:29 |
apdap |
I think |
| 14:29 |
sfan5 |
does that contain .lib files? |
| 14:31 |
apdap |
only for win32-visualstudio |
| 14:34 |
apdap |
i'll try to find a full release |
| 14:35 |
sfan5 |
apdap: http://sfan5.pf-control.de/irrlicht-1.8.1-win32.zip |
| 14:43 |
nore |
sfan5, what about the cleanup PR too (#376 IIRC) ? |
| 14:43 |
nore |
should be merged before it gets unmergeable |
| 14:45 |
kilbith |
game#376 |
| 14:45 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/376 -- More cleanup by PilzAdam |
| 14:45 |
nore |
oops, sorry, forgot to close the prs :( |
| 14:45 |
apdap |
CMakeFiles\minetest.dir\objects.a(content_cao.cpp.obj)content_cao.cpp|| undefined reference to `__imp__ZN3irr5video16IdentityMaterialE'| |
| 14:45 |
apdap |
https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10468 |
| 14:45 |
apdap |
is this related |
| 14:45 |
nore |
kilbith: O.O... this works? |
| 14:46 |
apdap |
uhh I just wanted to ask if you just could zip out your jenkins auto build folder or anything that you use so it's easier, lol |
| 14:46 |
kilbith |
yes, game#number |
| 14:46 |
sfan5 |
nore: yep, merge that |
| 14:47 |
nore |
btw, I wanted to add advanced versions of the grow_* functions (those used in mg, precisely for lua mapgens), thoughts on it? |
| 14:47 |
Krock |
the old tree growing function would be nice |
| 14:50 |
nore |
... I was copying all the commits ids... |
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apdap |
sfan5, can you send me all of the libs and the cbp files if you use codeblock. i'm tired of trying to solve it |
| 15:23 |
* VanessaE |
looks in |
| 15:23 |
sfan5 |
apdap: I'm not using codeblocks |
| 15:23 |
apdap |
all the libs is enough then :P |
| 15:23 |
sfan5 |
sure |
| 15:23 |
apdap |
zip them up please |
| 15:27 |
sfan5 |
apdap: http://meow.minetest.net/mtlibs-2015_01-win32.zip |
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apdap |
LuaJIT found, checking for broken versions... then LuaJIT not found |
| 15:46 |
apdap |
hmm |
| 15:46 |
apdap |
should I ignore? |
| 15:49 |
sfan5 |
apdap: what did you set LUA_LIBRARY and LUA_INCLUDE_DIR to? |
| 15:49 |
apdap |
luajit/include |
| 15:50 |
apdap |
libluajit.a |
| 15:50 |
sfan5 |
can you paste the output |
| 15:51 |
apdap |
http://pastebin.com/2bVjx6bz |
| 15:52 |
sfan5 |
it think your luajit is broken for some reason |
| 15:53 |
sfan5 |
did you set CODEBLOCKS_EXECUTABLE? |
| 15:54 |
apdap |
yes |
| 15:55 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 15:55 |
sfan5 |
maybe cmake does not support src code compilation the the config stage with codeblocks |
| 15:55 |
sfan5 |
just ignore that for now |
| 15:56 |
Zeno` |
another screenshot of cmake-gui, please? |
| 15:57 |
apdap |
http://i.imgur.com/LgUqsiJ.png |
| 15:57 |
Zeno` |
scroll up? |
| 15:58 |
apdap |
http://i.imgur.com/HNINFhX.png |
| 15:58 |
apdap |
http://i.imgur.com/1A5dUPQ.png |
| 15:58 |
apdap |
http://i.imgur.com/Mp44G3B.png |
| 15:59 |
Zeno` |
cmake is not using a cache is it? |
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apdap |
Zeno`, no idea. |
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| 16:02 |
apdap |
CMakeCache.txt? |
| 16:02 |
Zeno` |
check ?/minetest/minetest and make sure there a no files there that should not be |
| 16:02 |
Zeno` |
yeah delete that |
| 16:03 |
Zeno` |
normally I would build binaries in a different directory to the source directory (to solve these kind of potential problems you just delete the build directory and run cmake again) |
| 16:04 |
Zeno` |
I don't know if this is your issue though ;) |
| 16:04 |
Krock |
I wonder why you use MinGW |
| 16:05 |
Zeno` |
Krock, code::blocks I imagine |
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| 16:06 |
Zeno` |
apdap, after you delete those cache files run cmake again (of course) |
| 16:06 |
Zeno` |
also delete the .cbp file (or whatever it's called) |
| 16:07 |
apdap |
Zeno`, it regens everytime you generate a new one |
| 16:07 |
Zeno` |
yeah, just trying to get back to a "clean" state ;) |
| 16:08 |
apdap |
delete anything that starts with CMake or Cpack? |
| 16:08 |
apdap |
and Makefiles? |
| 16:08 |
Zeno` |
err not really |
| 16:08 |
Zeno` |
anything that is not in the original repo |
| 16:14 |
Zeno` |
and change the "where to build the binaries". It makes life much simpler |
| 16:19 |
kilbith |
nore, this commit : https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/047bfb9 is in couple with #2036 |
| 16:19 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2036 -- Builtin: Remove builtin_biome.lua if my simple biome is added to MTgame (MTG pull 392) by paramat |
| 16:20 |
kilbith |
"paramat : If added Minetest pull 2036 should be merged to remove the builtin biome." |
| 16:20 |
nore |
yep, I know (see paramat's comment on #2036) |
| 16:20 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2036 -- Builtin: Remove builtin_biome.lua if my simple biome is added to MTgame (MTG pull 392) by paramat |
| 16:20 |
kilbith |
hmmmm ^ |
| 16:20 |
kilbith |
it's up to you |
| 16:21 |
VanessaE |
mt_game got said biomes all right, and I brought them into dreambuilder also. |
| 16:25 |
Zeno` |
preparing to merge #2102 |
| 16:25 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2102 -- Performance fixes. by onkrot |
| 16:26 |
Zeno` |
speaketh now or forever be silent :) |
| 16:29 |
sfan5 |
Zeno`: didn't sapier say that conflicts with something |
| 16:29 |
sapier |
I did |
| 16:29 |
Zeno` |
I want to block him merging his PR :) |
| 16:30 |
sfan5 |
also what is "preparing to merge" |
| 16:30 |
Zeno` |
Because I don't think reverting all you did, sapier, is necessary at all |
| 16:30 |
VanessaE |
sapier: saying it'll block your reversion of the font stuff isn't a good enough reason to veto, imho |
| 16:30 |
sapier |
well I'm gonna tell you once anyone of you merges something making me work additional hours to revert it I'm gonna merge the reverte immediatly once it's rebased |
| 16:31 |
VanessaE |
sapier: don't revert, just *fix* it |
| 16:31 |
Zeno` |
Does it really cause a conflict anyway? |
| 16:31 |
VanessaE |
pixels = points/72*DPI ... how hard it is to set every font rendered to this? |
| 16:31 |
sapier |
ok in this case I'm gonna merge it in a few minutes because It's plain impossible to "fix" what different guys believe has to be fixed |
| 16:32 |
sapier |
I can't make a font smaller and bigger same time ... sorry I just can't do this |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
sapier: you refuse to listen to us |
| 16:32 |
Zeno` |
sapier, why "waste" all your good work when it can (IMO) be fixed? |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
read me again: |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
pixels = points/72* |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
oops |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
pixels = points/72*DPI |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
that's IT. |
| 16:32 |
VanessaE |
all of it. |
| 16:32 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: s/IT/it/ |
| 16:33 |
sapier |
that's what already is implemented |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: emphasis. |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
sapier: clearly it isn't. |
| 16:33 |
sapier |
well it is |
| 16:33 |
VanessaE |
sapier: if it were, fonts wouldn't change size with window size |
| 16:33 |
sapier |
I already removed the autfontscaling for larger formspecs |
| 16:33 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: emphasis is _it_ or using the bold text built into irc |
| 16:34 |
sapier |
they don't do change size any longer vanessae |
| 16:34 |
Zeno` |
bold text is not part of the original IRC RFC |
| 16:34 |
Zeno` |
from 1921 |
| 16:34 |
Zeno` |
so I won't use it |
| 16:34 |
VanessaE |
sapier: let me check again. my last pull was one or two days ago and it was still broken then |
| 16:34 |
VanessaE |
well 2 or 3 days |
| 16:35 |
Zeno` |
hang on. If it's no longer broken why are you reverting it? |
| 16:35 |
sapier |
the only thing changing the font size is dpi and gui_scaling factor but that's obviously not enough so I just don't se where I am supposed to change additional things |
| 16:35 |
VanessaE |
sapier: stop. okay? just stop |
| 16:35 |
sapier |
because sfan5 already checked the latest version and still doesn't like it at all |
| 16:35 |
sfan5 |
Zeno`: i was talking to VanessaE |
| 16:35 |
sfan5 |
sapier: the text is just too big |
| 16:35 |
sapier |
it's still "broken" as of it's not identical to 0.4.9 which is plain impossible |
| 16:35 |
VanessaE |
let me check it, because if sfan5 says it's busted, it probably is. let me see what he's seeing. |
| 16:35 |
Zeno` |
sfan5, I was talking to sapier |
| 16:36 |
Zeno` |
oh, you mean the bold text stuff? That was a joke :P |
| 16:36 |
sfan5 |
k |
| 16:36 |
sfan5 |
next time use /s |
| 16:37 |
sapier |
no matter what I'm gonna tune it's not possible to get the new code to look exactly like old one so I'm not willing to spend any additional time for it |
| 16:37 |
kilbith |
sapier, "I can't make a font smaller and bigger same time" wrong, we're all saying that's excessively big |
| 16:37 |
Zeno` |
it doesn't have to look exactly the same. The font (size) just needs to be consistent |
| 16:38 |
VanessaE |
sapier: what, in standard points is the default font size now? |
| 16:38 |
VanessaE |
looks to be close to 13 |
| 16:38 |
sapier |
obviously if it doesn't look like 0.4.9 different ppl don't like different things and all join to fight against it ... I tried about 5 days to get this fixed it's over |
| 16:39 |
sfan5 |
wat |
| 16:39 |
sfan5 |
nobody complained about the main menu font (or size) in 0.4.9 |
| 16:39 |
VanessaE |
for me, fonts are now consistently sized all around, exactly like I was trying to say |
| 16:39 |
sapier |
As I said ... pc formspecs will exactly look like 0.4.9 and for android I'm gonna do the real thing |
| 16:39 |
VanessaE |
so if you change anything now you will break it |
| 16:39 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/M/MshHkghNi31N.png |
| 16:39 |
VanessaE |
in other words, it's actually quite perfect. |
| 16:40 |
VanessaE |
and to be sure, I made sure all font, scaling, and DPI settings were commented out/removed from my config. |
| 16:40 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: would you call how it looks in my screenshot perfect? |
| 16:40 |
Krock |
I love the current font(sizes) |
| 16:40 |
* Krock |
hides |
| 16:41 |
sapier |
I'm not gonna fix anything on current code any longer the only thing I'm gonna provide is revertion to 0.4.9 then I'll never do anything on formspecs. |
| 16:41 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: that looks a little different from my menu, probably because you have longer labels than me due to language difference |
| 16:42 |
VanessaE |
http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2001102015%20-%2011%3a42%3a29%20AM.png |
| 16:42 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: the problem i have is that the font is too fat (e.g. the Mods text does not even fit into the tab) |
| 16:42 |
VanessaE |
this is me, now, at git HEAD with entirely default font settings. |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: here's what i uploaded yesterday https://cdn.mediacru.sh/e/eTMm9UxkEqTc.png |
| 16:43 |
Zeno` |
ok, the fonts are now consistent (it seems) |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: (ignore the left thing, it was because i was not at HEAD) |
| 16:43 |
VanessaE |
the ESC menu is screwed up though - it's auto-scaling (the formspec, not the fonts - they're fine) with window size. |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
sapier: is there a way i can make the font not look so fat |
| 16:44 |
sfan5 |
ಠ_ಠ|
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: use a "condensed" font |
| 16:44 |
Zeno` |
I like this much better than before |
| 16:44 |
sfan5 |
the formspec looks bad at fullscreen |
| 16:44 |
sapier |
change the font |
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
that's the normal name for the kind of typeface you need in your situation |
| 16:44 |
sapier |
our font code does only know size and shadows |
| 16:44 |
sapier |
no other parameters |
| 16:44 |
VanessaE |
your problem isn't a function of font size |
| 16:44 |
sfan5 |
which font did we use before? |
| 16:44 |
sapier |
same |
| 16:45 |
sfan5 |
then the font was made larget |
| 16:45 |
Zeno` |
So I'm not sure you should revert anything, sapier |
| 16:45 |
sfan5 |
larger* |
| 16:45 |
VanessaE |
it's a function of labels being too big for their slots to begin with, the slots were probably originally sized for english text, no? |
| 16:45 |
sapier |
just at different sizes. what you see is an effect of rounding errors |
| 16:45 |
Zeno` |
just a few more tweaks and all is cool |
| 16:45 |
sfan5 |
rounding errors |
| 16:45 |
sfan5 |
yeah sure |
| 16:45 |
sfan5 |
which font size did we have before? |
| 16:46 |
sapier |
I'm not gonna tweak anything. I tried this for about 5 days whith lots of argueing and no noticable result |
| 16:46 |
sfan5 |
I'm just asking a question |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot_2014-05-11-17-20-50.png |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
this was on an old android build, sufficient? |
| 16:46 |
sapier |
I was answering to Zeno sfan5 |
| 16:46 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: this is exactly the font size/family/whatever i like |
| 16:46 |
VanessaE |
(note the date: May 11 last year) |
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sapier |
that timeout schould be an assertion |
| 16:47 |
sapier |
once this happens you may have random memory corruption |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
sapier: ignore that. |
| 16:47 |
sfan5 |
the formspec looks bad at full screen: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/z/zWSxSSQdlrf1.png |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
sapier: I was just getting a text size example |
| 16:47 |
sfan5 |
the text is too small (or the buttons too big) |
| 16:47 |
sfan5 |
the checkboxes are too small |
| 16:47 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: yeah, same here. |
| 16:48 |
sfan5 |
and the logo is not where it should be |
| 16:48 |
sapier |
sfan5 of course do they look bad because zeno and kill... don't want fonts to scale same as formspec |
| 16:48 |
VanessaE |
sapier: ok so it's simple: disable auto-scaling of formspecs for the ESC/Pause menu and main menu and I think you'll solve 99% of complaints |
| 16:48 |
sfan5 |
sapier: so.. what font size did we have before? |
| 16:48 |
sapier |
VanessaE that's not gonna work because then Zeno will complain that his fonts don't look same |
| 16:49 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: we had what was in that android screenshot |
| 16:49 |
Zeno` |
what? |
| 16:49 |
VanessaE |
Zeno`: what about it? |
| 16:49 |
sfan5 |
i mean the font size in numbers, not a visual representation |
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| 16:49 |
Zeno` |
I never said they shouldn't scale. I said the font size should be the same no matter the formspec size |
| 16:50 |
sapier |
I'm wasting my time, everyone of you want different things |
| 16:50 |
sfan5 |
Zeno`: but this looks bad https://cdn.mediacru.sh/z/zWSxSSQdlrf1.png |
| 16:50 |
VanessaE |
sapier: stop! damn it man, just stop |
| 16:50 |
Zeno` |
sfan5, was the font a different size depending on formspec before these changes? |
| 16:50 |
VanessaE |
sapier: we all want the same damn thing |
| 16:51 |
sfan5 |
Zeno`: i don't know, it wasn't this ugly though |
| 16:51 |
sfan5 |
Zeno`: lemme make a screenshot |
| 16:51 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: I think you're seeing Liberation Sans. try DejaVu instead? |
| 16:51 |
sapier |
no we don't: some want it stay as in 0.4.9 some wanna change this some others that ... |
| 16:51 |
VanessaE |
sapier: nononono |
| 16:51 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: what do i put into minetest.conf? |
| 16:52 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: I had: font_path = /home/vanessa/.minetest/fonts/DejaVuSans.ttf |
| 16:52 |
VanessaE |
and, mono_font_path = /home/vanessa/.minetest/fonts/DejaVuSansMono.ttf |
| 16:52 |
VanessaE |
(both are commented out now) |
| 16:52 |
VanessaE |
and those fonts are files I copied from my system |
| 16:53 |
Calinou |
default font size was 12 before, I think |
| 16:53 |
VanessaE |
sapier: people aren't demanding formspecs look identical to 0.4.9 - they're asking for something roughly equivalent. that means shit that doesn't change size with window size. That's all. |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
and you already got the fonts taken care of. |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
now just turn off the auto-scaling of formspecs for main menu and ESC menu |
| 16:54 |
VanessaE |
the "skinny" font that sfan5 and kilbith are having a problem with is just the default font face, because it's no longer Dejavu Sans like it was with bitmapped fonts |
| 16:55 |
sfan5 |
um |
| 16:55 |
VanessaE |
when/why that changed, I don't know |
| 16:55 |
sfan5 |
it'd the other way around |
| 16:55 |
sfan5 |
i have a problem with the "fat" font |
| 16:55 |
sfan5 |
i prefer the "skinny" font that was default in older versions |
| 16:55 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/z/zWSxSSQdlrf1.png this is a "fat" font? |
| 16:55 |
sapier |
I enabled autoscaling because Zeno did require formspecs to be consistent |
| 16:55 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: in contrast to the old font, yes |
| 16:55 |
sfan5 |
Zeno`: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/T/TL4VSq0QBR30.png |
| 16:56 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: do you mean the vertical strokes are thick, i.e. fat like font hinting? |
| 16:56 |
Zeno` |
who cares about the font face? |
| 16:56 |
Zeno` |
I don't |
| 16:56 |
sfan5 |
i do |
| 16:57 |
VanessaE |
Zeno`: you required formspecs to auto-scale? |
| 16:57 |
Zeno` |
I just wanted things consistent and with VanessaE's suggestion I think they could be |
| 16:57 |
Zeno` |
VanessaE, all I wanted was for a "12 point" font to look the same size in any formspec |
| 16:58 |
VanessaE |
sapier: so, you misinterpreted. clearly he didn't mean autoscaling. |
| 16:58 |
VanessaE |
he meant exactly the same thing I did |
| 16:58 |
VanessaE |
turn off autoscaling. |
| 16:59 |
kahrl |
one thing I noticed: the default font_size still depends on whether minetest is built with TTF support or not, even though the default font face is a bitmap font |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
kahrl: indeed? |
| 16:59 |
kahrl |
sorry if that was already discussed, honestly tl;dr |
| 16:59 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 16:59 |
Calinou |
this is why IMO, bitmaps font should just go away |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
well it does matter, since some people can't use freetype |
| 17:00 |
sapier |
I can't change the fact that scaling factor does affect the layout |
| 17:00 |
sapier |
if it doesn't scale the layout will be different |
| 17:00 |
Calinou |
VanessaE, who can't? |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
sapier: define "different". |
| 17:00 |
sapier |
I can't tell this in detail as it's completely erratic |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: oh, I'm sure there's some weird corner-case out there where freetype doesn't work, or some people just don't liek it |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
like* |
| 17:00 |
VanessaE |
sapier: screenshots then? |
| 17:01 |
VanessaE |
let's see the worst-case you've come across |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
“people just don't like it†is a bad argument, as it's a big burden on us to handle two font systems |
| 17:01 |
Calinou |
lots of games today have TTF/OTF fonts only, people still play them |
| 17:01 |
sapier |
what's so hard to understand about "I wont spend any more time on fixing this code" ? |
| 17:01 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: I'm not entirely against getting rid of bitmap font support, but I'm not especially FOR it either. |
| 17:01 |
VanessaE |
sapier: what's so hard is that you've been bitching about it for days now and not listening to people clearly enough |
| 17:02 |
sapier |
if you believe you can tune it and make others accept it do it, I gave up yesterday |
| 17:02 |
VanessaE |
you obviously misinterpreted zeno, and me, and others |
| 17:02 |
VanessaE |
and now we're trying to fix that misinterpretation. |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/N/NsXnj117IDOD.png here's what i mean |
| 17:02 |
sapier |
and then next one is gonna complain |
| 17:03 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: additionally the 0.4.10 M fits into 12x12 px but the 0.4.11-dev needs 16x16px |
| 17:03 |
sfan5 |
maybe it's the hinting |
| 17:03 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: that's what I thought. you're talking about hinting, same as kilbith. that just needs a different font face is all. |
| 17:03 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: apply the lines I gave, just point them to something you like. |
| 17:04 |
Zeno` |
hinting is a freetype setting anyway (I dunno about Windows builds... I assume they still use freetype) |
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| 17:04 |
VanessaE |
(well mostly hinting, the overall spacing around the M is a different issue. kerning I guess) |
| 17:04 |
VanessaE |
bbiab |
| 17:04 |
* Calinou |
used Droid Sans at size 18 for a while, on a 1920×1080 screen |
| 17:05 |
Calinou |
the same font I'm using on IRC right now |
| 17:05 |
Zeno` |
sapier, do the new changes work on Android? |
| 17:06 |
sapier |
I don't know |
| 17:06 |
Zeno` |
because if they do, 99% of the issues people are complaining about are fixed. The other 1% should be relatively easy to fix |
| 17:06 |
sapier |
I didn't care for android as long as it's not settled on pc |
| 17:08 |
sapier |
no Zeno` those 1% sound like design limitations we can't fix thinks that are inherent propertys of the mechanisms we use |
| 17:09 |
Zeno` |
such as? |
| 17:09 |
sapier |
skinny fonts due to rounding issues |
| 17:10 |
Zeno` |
oh, bugger that |
| 17:10 |
sapier |
those happen at particular scaling and screen size |
| 17:10 |
Zeno` |
that's not one of the 1% |
| 17:10 |
sapier |
slightly different formspec layout then for 0.4.9 |
| 17:10 |
sapier |
we can't fix and stay same |
| 17:10 |
Zeno` |
different is not bad; as long as things are consistent |
| 17:10 |
sapier |
different non freetype font ... well the old one just didn't have different font sizes |
| 17:11 |
Zeno` |
I don't think anyone, really, wants "exactly" the same |
| 17:11 |
Zeno` |
they just want consistency |
| 17:11 |
sapier |
well everything you guys tell leads to only one conclusion, to get everyone happy the only possible solution is revert ... each of you would accept different changes but wouldn't accept other changes |
| 17:12 |
Zeno` |
I don't think that's true. I never said that at least |
| 17:12 |
sapier |
I just don't see some subset of changes everyone would accept |
| 17:13 |
sapier |
if you can find this subset good luck I hope you do |
| 17:13 |
Zeno` |
I don't want to find a subset. I just want to find consistency |
| 17:13 |
kahrl |
the subset {revert it} wouldn't be accepted by everyone either :P |
| 17:13 |
Zeno` |
and that is so close to being there |
| 17:14 |
sapier |
well kahrl that's not my problem |
| 17:15 |
Zeno` |
sapier, please. Settle down? You've fixed the major complaints |
| 17:15 |
Zeno` |
Now it's just small stuff to fix |
| 17:15 |
Zeno` |
Reverting would, IMO, be silly |
| 17:15 |
sapier |
exactly I fixed everything I could but it's still not enough that's the point where reverting is the only option left |
| 17:16 |
Zeno` |
I don't understand why you're reluctant to tweak though |
| 17:16 |
sapier |
well try to tweak it |
| 17:16 |
sapier |
it's not gonna solve the issues of everyone |
| 17:16 |
Zeno` |
Will VanessaE's suggestions above work (for those particular formspecs)? |
| 17:17 |
sapier |
disabling autoscale for main menu? |
| 17:17 |
sapier |
and paise |
| 17:18 |
Zeno` |
well, yes, autoscale is the main problem |
| 17:18 |
sapier |
It's gonna make mainmenu look more like old mainmenu but result in formspec beeing less consistent again |
| 17:18 |
Zeno` |
*shrug* |
| 17:19 |
sapier |
you'd not notice a difference on 800x600 but on any other resolution result may be good but could be bad too |
| 17:20 |
Zeno` |
Sometimes compromises need to be made |
| 17:21 |
sapier |
problem about compromises is everyone has to agree to them |
| 17:21 |
Zeno` |
That will never happen |
| 17:21 |
Zeno` |
you just need a majority |
| 17:22 |
sapier |
right now it's always been 1: everyone else |
| 17:22 |
Zeno` |
(well, you don't even need a majority but it helps keep the peace) |
| 17:22 |
Zeno` |
sapier, and now it's not 1:everyone else |
| 17:23 |
Zeno` |
because as far as I can see *most* of the major dislikes have been addressed |
| 17:23 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: it looks like we are using the same font, i just want the hinting configures such that it looks like in .10 |
| 17:24 |
sapier |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/de3888ca09a43371d3ef1fa3ff20e5501044d6ef Zeno revert changes in init.lua and game.cpp and you're gonna have the fixed size menu again, try it if you like it merge it |
| 17:25 |
Zeno` |
sfan5, hinting is part of freetype. I'm not sure minetest even changes the hinting settings (it might, so correct me if I'm wrong) |
| 17:25 |
sfan5 |
Zeno`: why does it look different in the new version if nothing changed? |
| 17:25 |
sapier |
as you've been the one why I did change it most likely everyone else will be happy too |
| 17:26 |
Zeno` |
because the font is scaled |
| 17:26 |
sapier |
if not .. well ... you'll get used to it |
| 17:26 |
Zeno` |
sapier, huh? |
| 17:26 |
sapier |
I just told you where you can make those changes VanessaE suggested |
| 17:27 |
sfan5 |
Zeno`: no, the font looks exactly the same at any resolution |
| 17:27 |
Zeno` |
sapier, and how does it look? |
| 17:28 |
sapier |
I already told I can't predict this in detail as there's to many dependencys |
| 17:28 |
sapier |
try it and see yourself |
| 17:29 |
sapier |
fonts most likely will stay same, locations of labels and buttons may vary |
| 17:29 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 17:29 |
sfan5 |
this is weird |
| 17:29 |
sfan5 |
if i change gui scale to 0.99 the font looks better |
| 17:30 |
sfan5 |
but all the tabs still don't fit on the screen |
| 17:31 |
sapier |
not weired rounding issue |
| 17:32 |
sapier |
if you're at the edge for font size a small change of factor causes the font to change but the other elements may still round to oposit pixel |
| 17:32 |
Zeno` |
patch does not apply :( |
| 17:32 |
sapier |
come on Zeno there are 9 lines you need to change |
| 17:33 |
Zeno` |
why do I feel you're leading me into some kind of trap? |
| 17:33 |
sapier |
btw it ain't patch but only what you need to change |
| 17:33 |
kahrl |
try: git revert --no-commit de3888ca0; git reset src/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp; git checkout src/guiFormSpecMenu.cpp |
| 17:33 |
sapier |
NO |
| 17:33 |
sapier |
he'd revert the revertion of autofontscaling too if he did this |
| 17:34 |
kahrl |
huh? |
| 17:34 |
sapier |
he just wants to reenable fixed formspecs |
| 17:34 |
kahrl |
I'm just restating what you said |
| 17:34 |
sapier |
no you miss the only init.lua and game.cpp part ;-) |
| 17:34 |
kahrl |
um |
| 17:34 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 17:34 |
sfan5 |
font_size needs to be 12 |
| 17:34 |
kahrl |
that's what the git reset and git checkout is for |
| 17:34 |
sfan5 |
then it looks like in 0.4.10 |
| 17:35 |
sfan5 |
13 i mean |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
it was 12 before, I think |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
but feel free to make it 13 or 14 |
| 17:35 |
Calinou |
also, it should be changeable in GUI |
| 17:35 |
sfan5 |
nope |
| 17:36 |
sfan5 |
it was 13 before |
| 17:36 |
apdap |
undefined reference to `__imp__ZN3irr5video16IdentityMaterialE'| |
| 17:36 |
apdap |
help q.q |
| 17:36 |
sfan5 |
apdap: which mingw version are you using |
| 17:37 |
apdap |
http://i.imgur.com/gnup58s.png |
| 17:37 |
apdap |
uhh |
| 17:37 |
apdap |
latest mingw-w64 |
| 17:37 |
apdap |
lemme check |
| 17:37 |
apdap |
4.9.0 |
| 17:37 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 17:38 |
kahrl |
yeah, I agree with making the default font size 13 or 14 |
| 17:39 |
sfan5 |
sapier, Calinou: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/-/-KpzoDItP-qs.png |
| 17:39 |
VanessaE |
back |
| 17:39 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: see the screenshot i just posted |
| 17:39 |
VanessaE |
the one to Calinou just now? |
| 17:40 |
sapier |
0.4.10 is already non identical to 0.4.9 |
| 17:40 |
VanessaE |
ok I see it. |
| 17:40 |
sfan5 |
sapier: forget the 0.4.9 thing |
| 17:41 |
kahrl |
what is LEGACY_SCALING for, btw? (in constants.h) |
| 17:41 |
sapier |
well try a different screen size you're gonna have different effects again, same for non freetype font |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: looks okay to me |
| 17:41 |
kahrl |
(stuff like this should be commented :P) |
| 17:41 |
sfan5 |
*sigh* |
| 17:41 |
Zeno` |
seems to be ok, sapier |
| 17:41 |
VanessaE |
certainly close enough to 0.4.10 that no one should complain imho |
| 17:41 |
sapier |
kahrl: it's been used to make 0.4.10 similar to 0.4.9 |
| 17:41 |
apdap |
OH |
| 17:41 |
apdap |
sfan5, I think the Irrlicht I'm using is 32 bits |
| 17:42 |
apdap |
It's probably compiling x64 |
| 17:42 |
sfan5 |
sapier: i just want it to look like it looked in 0.4.10 with kinda-standard value of 96dpi |
| 17:42 |
sfan5 |
apdap: that might the problem |
| 17:42 |
sapier |
sfan5 zeno push your changes if you believe them to be ok I'll not stop you |
| 17:42 |
sfan5 |
k |
| 17:42 |
sfan5 |
anyone against setting default font size to 13? |
| 17:42 |
apdap |
sfan5, is there a 64 bits irrlicht? |
| 17:42 |
sfan5 |
apdap: yes |
| 17:42 |
apdap |
sfan5: preview please? |
| 17:42 |
sapier |
you should check non freetype prior merge too |
| 17:43 |
sapier |
use_freetype=false |
| 17:43 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: no argument from me. |
| 17:43 |
sfan5 |
sapier: you realize that non-freetype uses a different size? |
| 17:43 |
sfan5 |
sapier: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/constants.h#L102 |
| 17:43 |
kahrl |
sfan5: let me test it with a few different window sizes / dpi settings |
| 17:43 |
sfan5 |
kahrl: sure |
| 17:43 |
sapier |
well that's result of reverting the autofontscaling |
| 17:44 |
sapier |
autofontscaling did adjust fonts to each other because they've been different in 0.4.9/10 too |
| 17:44 |
sapier |
kahrl if you're on linux dpi settings will be ignored |
| 17:44 |
kahrl |
hmm |
| 17:45 |
sapier |
we do autodetect them from x11 |
| 17:45 |
Zeno` |
well I dunno. What would you like me to say about the patch, sapier? |
| 17:45 |
sfan5 |
http://sprunge.us/CKEP?diff << suggested patch |
| 17:45 |
sapier |
I don't want anyone of you to say anything about a patch I'm just telling you where you need to implement YOUR suggestions |
| 17:46 |
Zeno` |
no, it's your patch. What do you think is wrong with it? |
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| 17:46 |
kahrl |
sapier: you mean it even ignores the dpi settings I set with xrandr? |
| 17:46 |
sapier |
sfan5 are you sure loosing float precision is a good idea? |
| 17:46 |
sfan5 |
kahrl: it probably won't ignore that |
| 17:46 |
sapier |
I don't know if xrandr sets the down to x11 level |
| 17:46 |
kahrl |
yeah those seem to be used |
| 17:46 |
sfan5 |
sapier: if the code relies on the constant being float it is broken |
| 17:47 |
sfan5 |
also it is set as a setting first anyway |
| 17:47 |
sapier |
sfan5 integer division != float division |
| 17:47 |
sfan5 |
and the code probably uses getfloat |
| 17:47 |
sapier |
if you make it an integer you loose more information on divisions then if it's float |
| 17:47 |
sfan5 |
it would be stupid if the code did not use floats to get the "font_size" setting |
| 17:47 |
apdap |
Can I have a preview on the font size stuff? :) |
| 17:47 |
sfan5 |
sapier: listen pls |
| 17:48 |
sapier |
You did ask me I did answer if you still wanna do it the integer way do it but don't tell me later I didn't mention it |
| 17:48 |
sfan5 |
k |
| 17:48 |
sfan5 |
you did not read what i said |
| 17:49 |
Zeno` |
sapier, why did you want me to make those changes? |
| 17:49 |
sapier |
I did but I know about those large calculations within guiFormspecMenu.cpp and I don't know exactly if there ain't a location where by someone elses mistake a pure integer division occurs |
| 17:49 |
sfan5 |
here's a tl;dr for the 4 lines i said: the font code (probably) uses getFloat() to read the font_size setting, changing the constant to an int won't have any effect |
| 17:49 |
sfan5 |
^ sapier |
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| 17:50 |
sapier |
but the font code is not the only one using the default font size |
| 17:50 |
sfan5 |
if any of the font code uses that constant directly it's broken |
| 17:50 |
sfan5 |
it should use the font_size setting |
| 17:50 |
kahrl |
ok, font size 13 seems to be fine so far, will check a non-freetype build now |
| 17:50 |
sfan5 |
kahrl: it will be a different size (14) w/o freetyper |
| 17:51 |
sfan5 |
s/r$// |
| 17:51 |
sapier |
maybe yet it wouldn't cause any harm if you did write it as float ... don't ever ask me again if you only wanna hear "it's ok" |
| 17:51 |
sfan5 |
sapier: grep only finds something in defaultsettings.cpp and constant.h |
| 17:51 |
kahrl |
sfan5: https://gist.github.com/kahrl/89e2e06932ece358152f |
| 17:52 |
kahrl |
this is what I did |
| 17:52 |
sfan5 |
i see |
| 17:52 |
sfan5 |
i think we should do that anyway |
| 17:52 |
sfan5 |
for consistency |
| 17:52 |
sfan5 |
kahrl: please check that it looks (near) identicaly w/ and w/o freetype |
| 17:53 |
kahrl |
well it uses a different font face, so probably not |
| 17:53 |
sfan5 |
huh, what font face does it use= |
| 17:53 |
sfan5 |
s/=/?/ |
| 17:53 |
sfan5 |
oh |
| 17:54 |
sfan5 |
freetype uses liberationsans, non-freetype uses lucida_sans |
| 17:54 |
sapier |
if it was same you'd still get different results as ttf font implementation returns different font parameters |
| 17:54 |
kahrl |
nope this is bad http://i.imgur.com/4QIAW8U.png |
| 17:55 |
sfan5 |
is that w/o freetype? |
| 17:55 |
kahrl |
yeah |
| 17:56 |
sapier |
you can distinguish by font shadows, non-ft doesn't have them |
| 17:56 |
kahrl |
font_size should be about 10 there, on my setup at least |
| 17:57 |
sfan5 |
how does it look with font_size 10 non-freetype? |
| 17:58 |
kahrl |
http://i.imgur.com/pGYTBz2.png |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
wouldn't the correct solution for non-ttf be to re-link the fonts so that referring to 13 or 14 non-ttf gets you something that's close to 13pt ttf? |
| 17:58 |
VanessaE |
relink, rename...whatever |
| 17:58 |
sfan5 |
that looks ok |
| 17:59 |
sapier |
I think the size bug is more at ttf side |
| 17:59 |
* kahrl |
has to leave for a bit; back in a hour or so |
| 17:59 |
sapier |
non ft-fonts use irrlicht font tool |
| 17:59 |
kahrl |
an* |
| 17:59 |
VanessaE |
sapier: there's an easy way to check. set a font to 72 points and display it at gui_scaling = 1.0. assuming your DPI was displayed correctly, it just has to be 25.4 mm high. |
| 17:59 |
sapier |
while ttf fonts are autogenerated with buggy code |
| 17:59 |
VanessaE |
if it is, freetype is fine |
| 18:00 |
sfan5 |
http://sprunge.us/bKIZ?diff << new suggested patch |
| 18:00 |
sapier |
do we have a size 72 non ft font? ;-) |
| 18:00 |
VanessaE |
s/displayed/detected/. |
| 18:00 |
VanessaE |
sapier: check it with freetype first, since you suspect the problem to be there |
| 18:00 |
sapier |
nope |
| 18:01 |
VanessaE |
you literally just have to set it to 72 point, display it, and stick a ruler on your screen. |
| 18:01 |
VanessaE |
that's it |
| 18:01 |
sapier |
I'm not working on this code any longer |
| 18:01 |
Zeno` |
Werner Lemberg (freetype) is constantly working on freetype |
| 18:01 |
Zeno` |
if the bug is there I'd be surprised |
| 18:02 |
sapier |
the code translating the fonts ain't freetype |
| 18:02 |
sfan5 |
sapier, Zeno`, kahrl: any remaining issues with the new patch? http://sprunge.us/bKIZ?diff |
| 18:02 |
sapier |
it's some piece of rubbish someone sometimes took from somewhere in the internet |
| 18:02 |
VanessaE |
sapier: well you're the one who said maybe freetype is wrong. |
| 18:02 |
VanessaE |
it's on you to prove it wrong or not |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
until then, the correct solution is to fix the actual non-ft fonts so that THEIR sizes are similar to freetype, not to fiddle with magic numbers |
| 18:03 |
sapier |
well you said the non freetype fonts are wrong first so it's up to you to proove your claim |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
assuming freetype is actually correct |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
wat |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
no, I dod not |
| 18:03 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
did not* |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
learn to read |
| 18:03 |
sapier |
you suggested renaming the non freetype fonts |
| 18:03 |
VanessaE |
yes, I suggested it based on what someone *else* said here |
| 18:03 |
sapier |
which is only a sane suggestion if they where wrong |
| 18:04 |
Zeno` |
freetype is correct. If it was not someone on the mailing list would already have raised an issue |
| 18:04 |
sfan5 |
gui_scaling=0.99 and font_size=13 makes 0.4.11-dev look pretty much exactly like 0.4.10 |
| 18:04 |
sapier |
Zeno`: it's not freetype generating the fonts |
| 18:04 |
sfan5 |
except the text is a bit weird |
| 18:04 |
Zeno` |
what is then? |
| 18:04 |
sfan5 |
anyway |
| 18:04 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: 0.99 at least confirms what sapier said about rounding errors. |
| 18:04 |
sapier |
we use freetype to generate the fonts but we use our own code to set the parameters for freetype |
| 18:04 |
VanessaE |
sapier: I was responding to THIS: [01-10 12:57] <kahrl> font_size should be about 10 there, on my setup at least |
| 18:05 |
sapier |
and that piece of code is what I expect to be wrong |
| 18:05 |
sfan5 |
[!!] http://sprunge.us/bKIZ?diff I'll be pushing this in 5 minutes if nobody has any problem |
| 18:06 |
sapier |
I agree |
| 18:06 |
VanessaE |
if kahrl believes that non-ttf fonts are displaying too big relative to ttf, and ttf is in fact displayed correctly, then the correct solution is to fix the non-ttf fonts *themselves* (either by renaming them or by re-rendering them), assuming also that kahrl's DPI size is consistent with whoever first rendered those fonts. |
| 18:06 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: no problem from me, the above aside. |
| 18:07 |
sapier |
meaning that irrlichts font generation tool would not generate a 10 px font if you suggest it but something different which sounds as sane as freetype itself generating wrong sized fonts |
| 18:07 |
Zeno` |
this has to be one of the craziest conversations I've ever been involved with, lol |
| 18:07 |
daswort |
the font is indeed a bit to big for the default window size: http://i.imgur.com/jLQEl92.png |
| 18:09 |
est31 |
btw can I simply write i18n pull requests or is there a centralized UI for that |
| 18:09 |
est31 |
"Texturen Pakete" is a very bad transl. |
| 18:09 |
VanessaE |
daswort: eek. gevalt |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
no antialias? eew |
| 18:10 |
sfan5 |
est31: just make a pull; also <Fusl> sfan5: tell minetest devs to change "Sie sind gestorben" to "Du bist gestorben" |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
ok fuck it, I give up on non-ttf arguments entirely |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
do whatever you want |
| 18:10 |
sapier |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/2096 is still there, no tuning required looking identical to 0.4.9 |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
at least ttf works |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
someone close that ^^^^^ |
| 18:10 |
sapier |
not till you guys fixed it |
| 18:10 |
VanessaE |
do NOT revert, it's stupid to do so |
| 18:11 |
Zeno` |
closed |
| 18:11 |
sapier |
open |
| 18:11 |
Zeno` |
lol sapier |
| 18:11 |
Zeno` |
closed |
| 18:11 |
daswort |
VanessaE, "eek. gevalt" ??? |
| 18:11 |
VanessaE |
daswort: nevermind. |
| 18:11 |
sapier |
I'd be carefull what you do next Zeno |
| 18:12 |
Zeno` |
Why? You just closed it |
| 18:12 |
Zeno` |
and opened it |
| 18:12 |
Zeno` |
:) |
| 18:12 |
sapier |
javascript update error |
| 18:12 |
VanessaE |
just close the fucking thing |
| 18:12 |
daswort |
est31, still better than "Tapete ändern" |
| 18:13 |
sfan5 |
sapier: your pull does not help any |
| 18:13 |
sfan5 |
the problem is solved |
| 18:13 |
est31 |
daswort: its more about having a determinativkompositum. Its Aufzug not Auf Zug. |
| 18:13 |
sfan5 |
nobody wanted to remove formspec scaling support |
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| 18:14 |
VanessaE |
sapier: Principle of Least Surprise |
| 18:14 |
est31 |
(perhaps aufzug is no determinativkompositum but that doesnt change "Texturen Pakete" sounds fishy) |
| 18:16 |
sapier |
well guys, do what you want |
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| 18:16 |
daswort |
How about "Reliefpakete" est31 *duck* |
| 18:17 |
est31 |
daswort: why not just "Texturenpakete"? |
| 18:17 |
sfan5 |
^ |
| 18:18 |
daswort |
Too reasonable. If we call it "Strukturpakete" i can write a mod called "Wirtschaftsaufschwung" for MT. est31 |
| 18:18 |
daswort |
est31, http://www.dict.cc/?s=texture |
| 18:19 |
est31 |
daswort, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textur_%28Computergrafik%29 |
| 18:19 |
daswort |
Much better: http://i.imgur.com/UuR97fw.png |
| 18:20 |
daswort |
est31, but translations can make a program more interesting and fun: http://www.pcgameshardware.de/screenshots/970x546/2009/02/weltraum1mw1.png |
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| 18:21 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: how it looks as of HEAD: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/0/0rgc9CwnCRUW.png |
| 18:22 |
est31 |
fun is for losers |
| 18:22 |
est31 |
:P |
| 18:29 |
VanessaE |
sfan5: what screen DPI? |
| 18:30 |
sfan5 |
VanessaE: 96 |
| 18:30 |
VanessaE |
lgtm then. |
| 18:39 |
kahrl |
back, btw has anyone noticed that the row highlight on the server list isn't clipped properly against the scrollbar |
| 18:40 |
kahrl |
it's pretty trivial to fix actually: https://gist.github.com/kahrl/30883cd62f722f2d9344 |
| 18:40 |
VanessaE |
kahrl: see my screenshot earlier. |
| 18:40 |
VanessaE |
I've noticed it |
| 18:41 |
kahrl |
which one? |
| 18:41 |
VanessaE |
this one: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2001102015%20-%2011%3a42%3a29%20AM.png |
| 18:42 |
kahrl |
ah yes |
| 18:42 |
kahrl |
well I'll push my fix in a few minutes since it's quite trivial |
| 18:44 |
VanessaE |
(10 minutes later) <kahrl> oh fuck, that commit broke X...and Y...and wow you should see Z |
| 18:44 |
VanessaE |
;) |
| 18:45 |
kahrl |
are you a wizard? :D |
| 18:45 |
VanessaE |
haha |
| 18:45 |
VanessaE |
no but some might call me a witch ;) |
| 18:51 |
ShadowNinja |
nore: Yes, but it would require a much more complex implementation. nore, sfan5: Try using game#num. |
| 18:51 |
ShadowNinja |
(Or just num without the #) |
| 18:52 |
nore |
ShadowNinja, what about just a < 500 check? |
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| 18:55 |
sapier |
Zeno` sfan5 kilbith VanessaE so what are you done fixing it now? |
| 18:55 |
kilbith |
? |
| 18:56 |
VanessaE |
sapier: I have nothing further to contribute. I believe the only thing left was for someone to commit the disable-formspect-autoscaling patch you suggested or something similar. |
| 18:56 |
ShadowNinja |
nore: Already tried that, people complained that you can't refer to old ones them. |
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| 18:57 |
sapier |
I just wanna know if it's been two numbers you guys didn't manage to tell which wasted about 12h of my time which I intended to spend for client side lua (OTTO) ... well now it's to late to start |
| 18:57 |
ShadowNinja |
As it is <50 or so is is ignored, for gdb backtraces. |
| 18:58 |
VanessaE |
sapier: it's never too late to start on something, but as far as font sizes are concerned, the problem is solved in HEAD now. |
| 18:58 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Security is essential for that. I think it will be easier to add security before that. |
| 18:59 |
sapier |
client side lua would be a independent engine so you don't need to add security anywhere else |
| 18:59 |
sapier |
you can't mix it up to other lua engines as risk to get something in by accident is way to big |
| 19:00 |
VanessaE |
sapier: I think he means in the sense of strict sandboxing and the like |
| 19:00 |
sapier |
well VanessaE I estimated a prototype to be about 12h of development time ... I don't have this time the next weeks so it's not worth starting it |
| 19:00 |
VanessaE |
client-side Lua sent from some server better not be able to read my Email :) |
| 19:01 |
Calinou |
client-side Lua could be made to work like extensions |
| 19:01 |
Calinou |
ie. server can't download it to client |
| 19:01 |
Calinou |
client must install it itself |
| 19:01 |
Calinou |
so we can focus on security later |
| 19:01 |
VanessaE |
Calinou: naw, bad idea |
| 19:01 |
VanessaE |
we'd be in MC territory then |
| 19:01 |
Calinou |
this avoids JavaScript trap… |
| 19:01 |
VanessaE |
broken/outdated mods all over the place |
| 19:01 |
VanessaE |
incompatible mods from server to server |
| 19:01 |
VanessaE |
we don't need that |
| 19:01 |
sapier |
we already discussed this Calinou resulting in the conclusion if we provide sufficient modding capabilitys it's not gonna provide any security benefit if you have to install it manually |
| 19:04 |
kilbith |
sapier, the right scaling fixers are called "HTML" and "CSS" ;) |
| 19:05 |
sapier |
I'm not in mood of joking after wasting 12h of development time and beeing attacked by about all core developers just because of 2 numbers. |
| 19:05 |
kilbith |
(sowwy) |
| 19:07 |
VanessaE |
sapier: we tried and tried every which way to Sunday to explain what was wrong. |
| 19:07 |
VanessaE |
it isn't our fault you elected to take the hard route :P |
| 19:07 |
sapier |
well see logs zeno did even today claim font scaling is broken just because he didn't even bother to try the latest version. |
| 19:08 |
VanessaE |
maybe he just didn't see that there was a new commit? |
| 19:08 |
VanessaE |
I didn't, either (hence why I said I better re-check) |
| 19:08 |
sapier |
great not even time enough to look at commits but accusing ... that's the the right way of course |
| 19:09 |
VanessaE |
as it stands, if this http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2015-01-10#i_4103710 will sort out the formspec autoscaling issue, then there's nothing left to complain about. |
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sapier |
just to mention current state ain't finished it's still not sufficient for android and maybe even not enogh for 4k screens ... and I'm out of formspec development I burnt my fingers more then once I'm not gonna touch that code anytime soon. |
| 19:13 |
sfan5 |
sapier: we were already done when you said <sapier> well guys, do what you want |
| 19:15 |
sapier |
well guess everyone should thing about this discussion and how much went wrong there because discussions like this one is why we lost so many skilled developers in past |
| 19:22 |
hmmmm |
ahhh stop the insanity |
| 19:22 |
hmmmm |
i feel like i need to get involved with this the longer and longer it goes on |
| 19:24 |
hmmmm |
in re: font sizing. i personally feel like the best way to specify font size is by points |
| 19:24 |
hmmmm |
if font sizes get too large, then i see no reason why it shouldn't get cut off by the clipping of the control |
| 19:24 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: um, you're behind... |
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| 19:25 |
hmmmm |
but the control sizes should be fit to the DPI of the screen in order to make crap like android work |
| 19:25 |
hmmmm |
all of this needs to be optional, with sane defaults |
| 19:25 |
hmmmm |
fonts auto-scaling with the DPI makes perfect sense, just not for PC interfaces |
| 19:26 |
hmmmm |
one size fits all is simply untrue here |
| 19:26 |
hmmmm |
what is the current situation that i'm missing out on? |
| 19:27 |
hmmmm |
okay so there's a "set fixed size" option for formspecs.. awesome |
| 19:27 |
sapier |
well you're just next one requesting something different ;-P |
| 19:27 |
hmmmm |
not requesting, just my own humble opinion on how GUIs should work |
| 19:28 |
sapier |
that setting is there since we have formspec mainmenu |
| 19:28 |
hmmmm |
if you have something differing from that it may or may not be just as good |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: right now all that remains is the fixed-size option, see the log link above |
| 19:28 |
hmmmm |
yea, I just read that commit vanessae |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
everything else seems to be pretty much fixed,. |
| 19:28 |
hmmmm |
so why is there a difference between builtin formspecs and mod-generated formspecs? |
| 19:29 |
VanessaE |
difference in what way? |
| 19:29 |
sapier |
because no mod does specify fixed size formspec |
| 19:29 |
hmmmm |
from what i read there's a difference now |
| 19:29 |
hmmmm |
no mod specifies that *yet* |
| 19:29 |
hmmmm |
but the capability IS there, right...? |
| 19:29 |
sapier |
for about 2 years noone (except me) did even try it |
| 19:30 |
hmmmm |
and now how does all the recent developments affect android? |
| 19:30 |
hmmmm |
s/developments/development/ |
| 19:30 |
sapier |
not at all |
| 19:30 |
sapier |
at least not direct |
| 19:30 |
hmmmm |
so everything's fixecd |
| 19:30 |
hmmmm |
fixed* |
| 19:30 |
sapier |
nope |
| 19:31 |
hmmmm |
what still needs fixing?? |
| 19:31 |
sapier |
there's still something wrong with dpi font/formspec aspect |
| 19:32 |
hmmmm |
btw i'm surprised irrlicht doesn't have an interface for getting the DPI of the current screen |
| 19:32 |
hmmmm |
you only have one defined for Xorg currently.. what about Windows and the rest? do we need DPI-getting functions for the other platforms? |
| 19:32 |
sapier |
there's some code for it in android branch but that one ain't merged yet |
| 19:33 |
sapier |
let me check something |
| 19:35 |
sapier |
ok so next thing left: |
| 19:35 |
sapier |
fixed size formspecs don't work on android |
| 19:35 |
hmmmm |
right |
| 19:35 |
sapier |
well actually they don't work on any high dpi screen |
| 19:35 |
hmmmm |
so I'm coding up a new static formspec |
| 19:35 |
hmmmm |
what is the correct way to scale? |
| 19:35 |
sapier |
non fixed size would work |
| 19:36 |
sapier |
but there fonts are broken |
| 19:36 |
hmmmm |
right now what I'm doing is simply g_fontengine->getTextWidth/Height(text) + some padding for selecting the element height and width |
| 19:36 |
sapier |
because those don't scale |
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| 19:36 |
sapier |
I don't know what you wanna simplify there |
| 19:37 |
sapier |
but do it if you believe this to be rigth way |
| 19:37 |
sapier |
font engine never was part of the issue |
| 19:37 |
hmmmm |
right, sure |
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| 19:37 |
sapier |
formspecs are and ppls believe how they're supposed to behave |
| 19:38 |
hmmmm |
but I imagine there's a setting in minetest.conf now where you specify font_size = 9 or something like that and all the static formspecs (should in theory) respect this? |
| 19:38 |
sapier |
they do |
| 19:39 |
sapier |
still I believe the main issue beeing formspecs insane coupling of font sizes to formspec layout |
| 19:39 |
sapier |
so unless you fix this you're always have fontsize layout dependencys |
| 19:40 |
sapier |
if someone changes the font size the location of labels buttons .. whill change |
| 19:41 |
hmmmm |
right now this is what I kind of have: http://fpaste.org/168173/42091886/ |
| 19:42 |
hmmmm |
is that wrong? |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
sapier: nope, you're wrong. http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/Screenshot%20-%2001102015%20-%2002%3a42%3a35%20PM.png |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
that's default size at upper left, "17" at upper right, and "25" at lower right |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
all three formspecs are identical, to the pixel. |
| 19:43 |
sapier |
look at SelectWorld: it's neither at same top nor bottom position. |
| 19:43 |
sapier |
maybe it's somewhere in the middle but I'd not bet on this |
| 19:44 |
VanessaE |
the buttons didn't move? the checkboxes seem to be in the same place? the listbox itself seems to be unmoved? the overall size of the formspec is the same? |
| 19:44 |
sapier |
try it for a non fixed formspec where distances are bigger |
| 19:44 |
VanessaE |
that's not a fixed-size formspec. |
| 19:45 |
sapier |
hmmmm well it's not wrong for sure I'm just not sure if we need another class in formspec code consisting about 90% overhead code and 10% used code |
| 19:46 |
sapier |
fixed size and 800x600 window size are same |
| 19:46 |
hmmmm |
it's overhead that could easily get inlined... it's totally worth it to reduce the sheer amount of repetition involved with the GUIs |
| 19:46 |
VanessaE |
ok, just checked. default, 16 (yeah, changed it. like it better), and 25. maximized. the font appears to be positioned just a few pixels up from its baseline. |
| 19:47 |
sapier |
I wasn't talking about compiler overhead hmmmm ;-) It's just my personal opinion about readability |
| 19:47 |
VanessaE |
the only part of the formspec that changes with font size is the widths (not the heights) of the tabs at the top of the menu |
| 19:47 |
sapier |
for things like that I'd prefere a helper function but as I said that's a personal opinion |
| 19:47 |
hmmmm |
having less wchar_t *text = wgettext("thing here"); core::rect<s32>(big, long, thing, here, taking, up, 3, lines); blah blah blah delete[] text; would be nice |
| 19:48 |
VanessaE |
so font-wise, this behaves exactly as it should |
| 19:48 |
hmmmm |
the reason why it's a helper class is because when it scopes out it automatically deletes the gettext results |
| 19:49 |
hmmmm |
i'd make it into a macro if i could |
| 19:50 |
sapier |
As I said It's a personal opinion influenced by the fact that I saw about 5-10 similar classes roundabout formspecs doing almost as less as this one |
| 19:50 |
hmmmm |
should probably unify them |
| 19:50 |
est31 |
in those .po files |
| 19:50 |
est31 |
do the lines with #~ have a meaning |
| 19:50 |
sapier |
I haven't tried but I guess most are used way to different |
| 19:50 |
est31 |
or are they just comments |
| 19:53 |
est31 |
guess first |
| 19:55 |
hmmmm |
if somebody here knew the answer they'd tell you :) |
| 19:56 |
sapier |
well vanessae the good thing is you're almost right about the font height dependencys |
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sapier |
the bad thing is this doesn't fix anything for about fixed formspecs don't work on high dpi screens |
| 19:58 |
sapier |
hmmmm what issue do you intend to solve with this codeß |
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sapier |
hmmmm can you apply this? https://gist.github.com/sapier/846662f8f8aecaff166a |
| 20:05 |
sapier |
it makes menus fixed size again |
| 20:07 |
VanessaE |
does that also affect the pause/ESC menu? |
| 20:07 |
sapier |
all menus |
| 20:07 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 20:08 |
sapier |
unless you're on android of course there only fonts will be broken for uhd displays |
| 20:08 |
VanessaE |
gotta go. |
| 20:08 |
VanessaE |
bbl |
| 20:09 |
sapier |
at least it's only gonna be the high end smartphons which might be broken *ironic* |
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sapier |
ShadowNinja: do you insist on implmeneting security (your new name for plugins) prior doing the client side lua stuff? |
| 20:16 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: ? What are plugins? |
| 20:16 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Read my security pull. It just removes things like os.execute. |
| 20:16 |
sapier |
those separated unloadable lua(modules)plugins you're trying to get done for about 2 years ;-) |
| 20:17 |
sapier |
oh you've been talking about that one only? |
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ShadowNinja |
sapier: That's more related to my non-global mod namespaces. |
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ShadowNinja |
sapier: Yes, I haven't written a full-blown plugin patch yet. |
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sapier |
well I'd not have issues with this beeing merged yet as I said I'd not want to use same code as for server side modding as I'd expect this to be to risky |
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luizrpgluiz |
hi |
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hmmmm |
sapier: hah, mitigating risk by shoving the blame for it on me, huh :p |
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hmmmm |
ShadowNinja, that would break some peoples' mods |
| 21:51 |
sapier |
nope hmmmm I've just promised I'm not gonna touch forspec code again |
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hmmmm |
they have things like map generators written in native code that they execute |
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| 21:52 |
hmmmm |
it's stupid i know |
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hmmmm |
sapier: ok |
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hmmmm |
although I think it's fine |
| 21:52 |
luizrpgluiz |
hi |
| 21:53 |
sapier |
well that's what they demanded I don't know why it's so complicated to do it themselfs |
| 21:53 |
hmmmm |
luizrpgluiz, do you have anything say in regard to minetest development? |
| 21:53 |
hmmmm |
i'm just wondering because you always come in, say hi, then leave, rince and repeat |
| 21:53 |
hmmmm |
sapier, you shouldn't let those kind people with pitchforks bother you |
| 21:54 |
sapier |
hmmmmm I know yet this time it's not been the usual suspects but basicall everyone ... I'm tired of fighting everyone especially if the most controversial part ain't even my work |
| 21:55 |
luizrpgluiz |
for example, the version of minetest 0.5, will add the DirectX9 minetest in the menu? |
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hmmmm |
what? |
| 21:55 |
sapier |
drivers are autodetected from what irrlicht tells to be available |
| 21:56 |
luizrpgluiz |
in version 0.4.11 not have the option to play with directx |
| 21:56 |
sapier |
well in this case irrlicht is compiled without directX support |
| 21:58 |
sapier |
didn't buildbot script have issues with directx? |
| 21:59 |
luizrpgluiz |
the game does not open with the directx 9 |
| 22:00 |
sapier |
luizrpgluiz: did you read what I told? |
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luizrpgluiz |
sorry sapier |
| 22:00 |
sapier |
if irrlicht is compiled without directx(9) support you're never gonna be able to start it using directx |
| 22:02 |
luizrpgluiz |
but because the engine no longer supports the directx? |
| 22:02 |
kilbith |
sapier: just stop the self-inflated melodrama, we have just reported what was wrong with the scaling and attached bugs, downstream to your testing requests. not attacked you personnally. |
| 22:03 |
kilbith |
if you call that bothering, i won't just report anything to you |
| 22:04 |
sapier |
luizrpgluiz: what do you expect from directX9? we neither do use any of it's features nor is it faster |
| 22:04 |
sapier |
kilbith: just stop everything is told that had to be todl |
| 22:05 |
luizrpgluiz |
I have a friend who rode well with directx out instead of using opengl |
| 22:06 |
sapier |
so it's not about directx9 but directx itself? |
| 22:06 |
sapier |
that makes sense as directx drivers on windows quite often are better then opengl |
| 22:07 |
sapier |
which build did you use luizrpgluiz? |
| 22:09 |
luizrpgluiz |
he only changed the minetest.conf and added the line of DirectX and the game became faster |
| 22:10 |
sapier |
ok which version? |
| 22:11 |
Krock |
interesting. direct3d is slightly slower than opengl on my machine |
| 22:13 |
sapier |
Krock: depends on your driver recent drivers do better opengl handling as games use it more |
| 22:13 |
sapier |
about 5 years ago opengl was almost not relevant for games |
| 22:14 |
Krock |
my driver is from year 2010 |
| 22:14 |
sapier |
you use drivers that old? |
| 22:14 |
hmmmm |
iirc a lot of AAA game developers have said that opengl is technically superior to direct3d |
| 22:14 |
Krock |
I use a graphic card which is some years older |
| 22:15 |
sapier |
hmmmm I guess that depends on which version |
| 22:15 |
hmmmm |
OGL 4 vs. DX11 |
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luizrpgluiz |
my drivers is newer |
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hmmmm |
hmm |
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luizrpgluiz |
intel hd graphics |
| 22:16 |
hmmmm |
I wonder what minetest does if fullscreen is enabled with a resolution not supported |
| 22:16 |
luizrpgluiz |
intel hd graphics ironlake mobile |
| 22:16 |
sapier |
well 2 years between directx 11 and opengl4 |
| 22:17 |
Krock |
drawtime 25 (direct3d9) vs 18 (oppengl 2.1).. seems like opengl got a much better support than direct3d :3 |
| 22:17 |
sapier |
nice |
| 22:18 |
sapier |
still why doesn't luizrpgluiz have directx available in settings menu, the only possible reason is our build is without directx support |
| 22:19 |
luizrpgluiz |
ok |
| 22:19 |
Krock |
ehm. direct3d10 or 11 is not supported by irrlicht |
| 22:19 |
Krock |
of you're talking about that |
| 22:19 |
Krock |
*if |
| 22:20 |
sapier |
nope 10 or 11 was only mentioned by hmmmm for comparing standards |
| 22:20 |
sapier |
it's not relevant for us |
| 22:20 |
sapier |
we don't even use dx9 features ;-) |
| 22:20 |
Krock |
maybe we should use some |
| 22:21 |
sapier |
do you know directx programming? |
| 22:21 |
sapier |
you're welcome to help ;-) |
| 22:21 |
Krock |
never looked at it :3 |
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Krock |
well, I'll spend some time on it tomorrow. nighty'all |
| 22:22 |
sapier |
same for me ... and I don't know anyone who does ;-) |
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hmmmm |
wooh.. surprisingly minetest works well with fullscreen |
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hmmmm |
unlike nearly everything else |
| 22:33 |
hmmmm |
it hates my dual monitor setup with the secondary monitor on my left.. nothing works with it |
| 22:35 |
sapier |
"well" as in uses only one monitor? |
| 22:35 |
hmmmm |
right |
| 22:35 |
hmmmm |
that's what I want it to do |
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hmmmm |
it's much better than other games that... |
| 22:35 |
hmmmm |
- use the leftmost monitor |
| 22:35 |
sapier |
well It'd be nice if it did use all monotors for me ;-) |
| 22:35 |
hmmmm |
- reset to windowed mode and spawn itself in the center of my two monitors |
| 22:35 |
hmmmm |
- hang |
| 22:36 |
sapier |
well I don't have that isssue as I use xinerama |
| 22:36 |
hmmmm |
- set the resolution to something lower than the screen size and turn panning mode on |
| 22:36 |
hmmmm |
life as a non-windows gamer, ahh... |
| 22:37 |
sapier |
I'd have to mess around with fov too to get a good result |
| 22:37 |
hmmmm |
yup, you need to manually set fov or disable all monitors but the primary one in order for the aspect ratio to work correctly for far cry 2 and 3 |
| 22:38 |
hmmmm |
pretty much the standard for the "AAA" type games today |
| 22:40 |
sapier |
guess multimonitor would be nice but I don't even wanna know how formspec will look like there |
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