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VanessaE |
interesting glitch I noticed earlier: |
| 01:44 |
VanessaE |
turn on 3rd person mode, first-press of F7 (where you're looking from behind your character). place a torch. now try to break it. |
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VanessaE |
I was unable to actually highlight it to punch it. |
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ShadowNinja |
~tell sapier Text doesn't show up in text fields until you select a different field in your latest Android release build. |
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ShadowBot |
ShadowNinja: O.K. |
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Megaf |
Morning all |
| 13:26 |
Megaf |
celeron55: Hi there, I think you might know this already, I just came across this and I found it rather interesting. https://cmr.github.io/lanes/ |
| 13:26 |
Megaf |
I wonder how hard would it be to run each mod on it's own lua thread |
| 13:27 |
hmmmm |
very hard and nonsensical |
| 13:28 |
hmmmm |
we've had plenty of discussions about this before |
| 13:28 |
Megaf |
really? |
| 13:28 |
hmmmm |
if you want to make adding more threads a viable thing, you should start with making Map non-locking |
| 13:29 |
Megaf |
I see quite a lot of advantages on running each mod on it's own thread, the biggest one is security and stability, a mod could crash without brining the server down |
| 13:29 |
hmmmm |
non-locking is awesome, non-waiting is even better but may not be possible |
| 13:31 |
Megaf |
hmmmm: non-locking map? What would that be and how would it work? |
| 13:32 |
hmmmm |
accesses to Map need to be synchronized. i suggest you look into it more and you'll see that it's perhaps minetest's biggest problem as of right now. |
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| 13:34 |
Megaf |
I quite like synchronized things, they are more predictable and stable |
| 13:34 |
Megaf |
The real limitation for that is hardware |
| 13:39 |
hmmmm |
so then you like minetest's problems of threading effectively being useless |
| 13:40 |
* hmmmm |
claps |
| 13:43 |
Megaf |
lol, I just done my first multithreaded software and my first lua test at the same time |
| 13:43 |
Megaf |
$ ./test.lua |
| 13:43 |
Megaf |
2 4 |
| 13:53 |
sfan5 |
this is not releavant for minetest development |
| 14:03 |
hmmmm |
wow |
| 14:03 |
hmmmm |
well that was a complete waste |
| 14:03 |
hmmmm |
i get to work, there are absolutely no cars in the parking lot. building is locked down. this "forced" holiday is taking up 8 hours of paid time off don't want to spend it. |
| 14:04 |
hmmmm |
so i guess today is a minetest day |
| 14:06 |
* Megaf |
has to work |
| 14:06 |
Megaf |
at least I can use IRC here |
| 14:07 |
hmmmm |
i used to be able to irc from work but i got it banned |
| 14:07 |
hmmmm |
i got overconfident and started SCPing like GBs of music from this computer |
| 14:07 |
Megaf |
I use Quassel now a days, in Quassel you can run the core at home and the client at your workplace, and use the port 443 for example |
| 14:08 |
Megaf |
evereything is done over SSL |
| 14:08 |
Megaf |
actually, here I'm usin a SSH SocksV5 tunnel |
| 14:08 |
Megaf |
then I connect the client to core using the tunnel |
| 14:09 |
Megaf |
and so my web browsing |
| 14:09 |
* hmmmm |
looks at logs |
| 14:09 |
hmmmm |
minetest has 3rd person mode now!? |
| 14:09 |
hmmmm |
sapier if (id == (u32)-1) { ?? ... not the bug anyway |
| 14:10 |
hmmmm |
that is valid |
| 14:10 |
hmmmm |
typecasting -1 to a unsigned integer sets all the bits |
| 14:11 |
hmmmm |
the way the C standard describes integer storage types basically locks it into the familiar binary format so you'll never see a case where that doesn't work |
| 14:12 |
hmmmm |
and (unsigned int)-1 is used in POSIX standards as well, so it's kosher |
| 14:19 |
hmmmm |
hmm no zat |
| 14:20 |
hmmmm |
well whatever. zat: the proper way to do lua callbacks is to store it in a field in the global "minetest" |
| 14:21 |
hmmmm |
so what you want to do is make a wrapper for the decoration registering function in Lua that adds the callback to some global such as minetest.deco_callbacks[id] |
| 14:22 |
hmmmm |
you can find good examples of how to perform lua callbacks in src/script/cpp_api/s_env.cpp |
| 14:22 |
hmmmm |
id should be just an incrementing count |
| 14:24 |
hmmmm |
sapier I always wonder for what reason someone whats to add the * to the variable ... to me it's a modifyer to the type ... does anyone have an explanation for this quite insane rule? |
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sfan5 |
hmmmm: char* a, b create a char * called a and a char called b |
| 14:24 |
hmmmm |
it's the K&R way, and it also prevents mistakes like what sfan5 mentioned, but the pointer syntax in C is just stupid IMO |
| 14:25 |
hmmmm |
I am actually using my spare time at work to come up with a nu-C language that's basically C, but incompatible and superior |
| 14:26 |
sfan5 |
please make type comparison work like in PHP |
| 14:26 |
hmmmm |
lol. |
| 14:26 |
hmmmm |
anyway pointers are @ making the unary * operator free for something else |
| 14:26 |
sfan5 |
do you plan to add support for it to gcc or clang or will it get converted to c for compliation? |
| 14:27 |
hmmmm |
I suppose it'd be a clang frontend |
| 14:27 |
hmmmm |
i haven't made it that far yet however |
| 14:27 |
sfan5 |
<hmmmm> anyway pointers are @ |
| 14:27 |
hmmmm |
right now it's just a huge collection of ideas that are being sorted out |
| 14:27 |
sfan5 |
char @a, @b; like that? |
| 14:28 |
hmmmm |
yeah. |
| 14:28 |
hmmmm |
however type modifiers ALWAYS come before the type name |
| 14:28 |
sfan5 |
I was about to say that it would not make it better |
| 14:28 |
hmmmm |
so an array of pointers would be like char []@foo |
| 14:29 |
hmmmm |
you wouldn't be able to do char @foo, not_a_string; however |
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sfan5 |
char is the type name so it would be @char a, b; wouldn't it? |
| 14:29 |
hmmmm |
you'd only be able to combine variable declarations with types that are completely alike |
| 14:30 |
hmmmm |
so char @foo, bar; would make foo and bar both char pointers |
| 14:30 |
sfan5 |
writing it like that would be confusing then |
| 14:30 |
hmmmm |
maybe there needs to be some syntactical separation to make that more obvious |
| 14:30 |
sfan5 |
char@ foo, var; would be less confusing in that case |
| 14:30 |
hmmmm |
it's only confusing because you're used to C/C++ |
| 14:31 |
hmmmm |
I think Ada does what I'm talking about |
| 14:31 |
hmmmm |
where the type names are syntactically separated from the variable names |
| 14:31 |
sfan5 |
maybe, maybe not; I think it does not make sense for a modifier to affect something that is seperated (by a ,) |
| 14:32 |
hmmmm |
you call it a modifier, but I say that a pointer is a different fundamental type |
| 14:32 |
sfan5 |
like this? |
| 14:32 |
sfan5 |
char@ a, b; |
| 14:33 |
hmmmm |
that'd be better, yeah. |
| 14:33 |
sfan5 |
type variable name, variable name; |
| 14:33 |
hmmmm |
Go tries to counter this by putting type specifiers after the identifier name |
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hmmmm |
e.g. "type foo char" |
| 14:34 |
hmmmm |
I don't like it though |
| 14:34 |
hmmmm |
although it does make it less lexically ambiguous |
| 14:34 |
hmmmm |
easier parsing means faster parsing |
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CraigyDavi |
Is it intentional that the black background box upon death has been removed? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/SEtQcbuRa4TW.png |
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rubenwardy |
Any comments on Add item eat callback ( https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1318 ) ? |
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Piggybear87 |
sfan5, I replied to you in the forum with the lspci you asked for. PS this is Tedypig. |
| 18:23 |
sapier |
VanessaE I'm sorry but adding compat code to generic stats would result in adding more code then generic stats are in total. Imho that feature is only worth adding in case we already drop compat for something more valuable. |
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ShadowNinja |
sapier: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1320#issuecomment-44211609 |
| 19:15 |
sapier |
what exactly happens there I can't reproduce the issue |
| 19:15 |
sapier |
how do you reproduce it? |
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LemonLake |
Just look at a nodebox? |
| 19:16 |
sapier |
doesn't happen to me |
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sapier |
so what's the difference? |
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ShadowNinja |
sapier: Look at a nodebox and the selection box stops working on all nodes. |
| 19:22 |
sapier |
nope ... not for me |
| 19:23 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: I'm using Irrlicht 1.8.1 BTW. |
| 19:24 |
sapier |
ok I'm on 1.7 |
| 19:26 |
sapier |
that comit changes the draw order but that's not supposed to cause a bug like that |
| 19:28 |
PenguinDad |
1.8.1 works just fine here |
| 19:29 |
sapier |
ok I can reproduce it on one of vanessae's servers ... so why is this relate do the game running?? |
| 19:41 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: v6 seems to ignore the 'flat' MG flag. |
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hmmmm |
shadowninja, the last time someone said that it's because they didn't turn off caves as well |
| 19:54 |
hmmmm |
caves are responsible for some terrain deformation |
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sapier |
I think I found the selectionbox issue |
| 20:13 |
sapier |
could someone having the selection box issue verify #1336 fixes it? |
| 20:13 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1336 -- Fix missplaced selection box in some situations by sapier |
| 20:24 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: I meant that it ignores nocaves. My map_meta seems to have caves set though... |
| 20:28 |
Megaf |
sapier: I've been wating for that fix |
| 20:28 |
sapier |
does it work? |
| 20:29 |
Megaf |
I'm at my workplace, I will tell you in one hour when I get home |
| 20:29 |
sapier |
ok |
| 20:32 |
Megaf |
Can someone remind me how I can apply this patch to my minetest here? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1336 |
| 20:33 |
sapier |
either add my git repository as remote and do a cherry pick or just clone it to a separate folder and checkout that branch |
| 20:33 |
Megaf |
ShadowNinja: Are you dropping support for netbsd? |
| 20:33 |
sapier |
or just edit that file ;-) |
| 20:33 |
hmmmm |
ahh |
| 20:33 |
hmmmm |
I'll have to check it out |
| 20:33 |
ShadowNinja |
Megaf: No? |
| 20:33 |
Megaf |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/31f9912e9e9f0d970725788af27f3a731415a57d |
| 20:33 |
hmmmm |
ShadowNinja, are you sure that's a brand new map that you created with nocaves specified? |
| 20:34 |
CraigyDavi |
Is it intentional that the black background box upon death has been removed? https://cdn.mediacru.sh/SEtQcbuRa4TW.png |
| 20:34 |
CraigyDavi |
^anyone? |
| 20:34 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: No. It apparently had caves set after your rework, I think I only set it in minetest.conf. But when I looked at the MGv6 code it DID seem to be missing a caves check, wven if caves were enabled. |
| 20:35 |
ShadowNinja |
even* |
| 20:35 |
sapier |
not really CraigyDavi wonder how it's lost |
| 20:36 |
ShadowNinja |
Megaf: That fixed support for BSD threadnames. It includes NetBSD. |
| 20:36 |
ShadowNinja |
fixes* |
| 20:36 |
ShadowNinja |
+#elif defined(__NetBSD__) |
| 20:36 |
hmmmm |
ShadowNinja, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/mapgen_v6.cpp#L474 |
| 20:39 |
CraigyDavi |
Ok I created an issue on the issues section |
| 20:40 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: O.K. I guess not... |
| 20:40 |
hmmmm |
well |
| 20:40 |
hmmmm |
try to reproduce the problem |
| 20:41 |
hmmmm |
put nocaves in minetest.conf, then try to create a new world, see if it has caves with mgv6, then go and check the map_meta |
| 20:41 |
hmmmm |
see if that has nocaves as expected |
| 20:43 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: It works. Sorry for the false alarm. |
| 20:43 |
hmmmm |
np |
| 20:45 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Your fix works. s/missplaced/misplaced/ though. |
| 20:48 |
sapier |
better? |
| 21:05 |
ShadowNinja |
Comments on #1318? |
| 21:05 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1318 -- Add item eat callback by rubenwardy |
| 21:05 |
ShadowNinja |
#1149 too. |
| 21:05 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1149 -- Add AppData file by davidgumberg |
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VanessaE |
sapier: it's weird, I just can't seem to reproduce that selection box glitch in singleplayer. |
| 21:18 |
sapier |
if that fix helps it's some missing irrlicht scene config ... but I don't know it good enough |
| 21:19 |
sapier |
my fix basicaly restores something beeing lost while moving around code |
| 21:19 |
VanessaE |
I haven't tried any fixes yet |
| 21:19 |
VanessaE |
(in fact I didn't even know it was looking at nodeboxes that was the trigger, but I *still* can't reproduce it in singleplayer) |
| 21:20 |
sapier |
I didn't have to look on nodeboxes to cause it |
| 21:20 |
sapier |
at least on your server |
| 21:20 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 21:20 |
sapier |
I couldn't reproduce it on any other server |
| 21:21 |
VanessaE |
it's very very strange |
| 21:21 |
VanessaE |
my servers are ..*shrug* bog-standard minetest engine |
| 21:22 |
sapier |
not really most likely it depends somehow on what is drawn in which order thus setting a defined state prior drawing selectionbox is quite reasonable to be a fix ... at least that's what I figured out .... RBA most likely could explain better |
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| 21:24 |
VanessaE |
did you notice the bit I mentioned where the select box gets drawn off into the distance/ |
| 21:24 |
VanessaE |
? |
| 21:24 |
VanessaE |
like, off to the side, and of the wrong size |
| 21:25 |
sapier |
yes that was the hint I needed to find it |
| 21:25 |
VanessaE |
oh ok |
| 21:25 |
VanessaE |
good :) |
| 21:26 |
ShadowNinja |
Comments on #1277? I split it into two commits so that you can see what I actually changed. |
| 21:26 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1277 -- Update to Lua 5.2 by ShadowNinja |
| 21:27 |
sapier |
ShadowNinja: for what I understand 1277 has that one issue we can't get full 5.2 support with luajit |
| 21:28 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: LuaJIT supports most of Lua 5.2's features. What it doesn't support we don't need to use. |
| 21:29 |
ShadowNinja |
LuaJIT supports the strip argument to string.dump too, which is Lua 5.3. |
| 21:29 |
sapier |
that doesn't really change the problem ... right now we can say Mintest supports lua 5.1 only |
| 21:29 |
sapier |
everything else is modders fault |
| 21:29 |
ShadowNinja |
If we keep Lua at 5.1 then the features that LuaJIT provides will be unusable because it won't be provided by both Lua and LuaJIT. |
| 21:30 |
sapier |
later it will be "5.2 except of x, y, z, ...." |
| 21:30 |
sapier |
imho that's more then ugly |
| 21:30 |
ShadowNinja |
If we update to Lua 5.2 we will support "most Lua 5.2 features" until LuaJIT gets Lua5.2 support. |
| 21:31 |
sapier |
I'd prefere 5.1 to "most of 5.2" |
| 21:31 |
RealBadAngel |
not better include luajit and drop lua at all? |
| 21:31 |
sapier |
no |
| 21:31 |
ShadowNinja |
Better than a two year old copy of Lua. |
| 21:31 |
sapier |
luajit is crap if you want to debug |
| 21:32 |
RealBadAngel |
i never needed to debug lua at all |
| 21:32 |
sapier |
well I did believe me you can't debug with luajit enabled |
| 21:33 |
ShadowNinja |
Lua is in some ways better than LuaJIT, but LuaJIT's speed makes up for it's shortcomings. |
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| 21:33 |
sapier |
Speed is not an option if you break debugging |
| 21:34 |
sapier |
you can run servers on luajit but for modders a non luajit version most likely is better option |
| 21:34 |
RealBadAngel |
having mods two times as fast is not an option at all, its a must have |
| 21:34 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Well, right now I'm discussing updating Lua, not removing it. |
| 21:35 |
sapier |
removing is what RealBadAngel suggested as that'd be even worse then broken 5.2 support that's way more important to prevent ;-) |
| 21:35 |
ShadowNinja |
RealBadAngel: Lua is quite usable on it's own. It's easier to debug and has some other advantages due to being less optimized. |
| 21:35 |
sapier |
if you add 5.2 that's gonna cause mintests lua support to be broken on luajit |
| 21:36 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: How so? |
| 21:36 |
Megaf |
sapier; the nodebox thing seems to be fixed |
| 21:36 |
sapier |
missing 5.2 features is what is defined as "broken" |
| 21:37 |
sapier |
I'm against merging 5.2 support until we can provide full 5.2 support for luajit too |
| 21:38 |
sapier |
as always that's my opinion only there might be enough other developers to still merge it |
| 21:38 |
VanessaE |
who says you have to advertise that it has partial 5.2 support? |
| 21:38 |
VanessaE |
does it break 5.1 compat? |
| 21:39 |
VanessaE |
put Lua 5.2 in, recommend to mod authors not to use 5.2 features for now. |
| 21:39 |
VanessaE |
simple. |
| 21:41 |
RealBadAngel |
if recomending not to use, why change to it in the first place? |
| 21:41 |
VanessaE |
sapier, pull #1336 fixes the selection box problem for me also. |
| 21:41 |
sapier |
adding new code always means adding new bugs |
| 21:41 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1336 -- Fix missplaced selection box in some situations by sapier |
| 21:42 |
VanessaE |
or it seems to from a quick test. |
| 21:42 |
sapier |
ok as there are two ppl and me where it's working I'm merging it now |
| 21:42 |
VanessaE |
certainly works properly in the problem area anyway |
| 21:42 |
VanessaE |
will this cause a performance regression? |
| 21:43 |
VanessaE |
(it's hard for me to tell with all this map loading/mesh gen activity right now) |
| 21:43 |
sapier |
no it's been there prior my drawscene split too so it's at worst back to original speed |
| 21:44 |
VanessaE |
ok |
| 21:44 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: As far as I can tell the only important thing that LuaJIT is missing is _ENV. It supports the env argument to load though. |
| 21:44 |
VanessaE |
it seems to work fine with that patch. |
| 21:45 |
sapier |
ShadowNinja: that's exactly what I mean, we don't even know exactly what is missing |
| 21:45 |
sapier |
we just know it's not complete |
| 21:45 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: And there's a patch for that: http://www.freelists.org/post/luajit/A-patch-for-ENV-support |
| 21:46 |
sapier |
problem is still almost all luajit implementations of distributions are built in lua 5.1 support mode so there's more missing |
| 21:52 |
VanessaE |
that's a problem. |
| 21:52 |
VanessaE |
and luajit team doesn't like the idea of bundling it with a project either. |
| 21:52 |
VanessaE |
(personally I don't care if they like it or not...) |
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ShadowNinja |
sapier: Well, not my distro. I found a list of unimplemented 5.2 features and all but one of them have been implemented by now (NUL ("\0") in regex, which can be done with "%z".) |
| 22:09 |
ShadowNinja |
^We can fake that in 51compat.lua too, but that would be a bit ugly, and that feature is rarely used. |
| 22:09 |
sapier |
"not my distro" ... |
| 22:10 |
sapier |
for what I remember it's 2:2 right now ... celeron and me against vanessae and you pro |
| 22:11 |
sapier |
the main problem is "we are not completely compatible to 5.2" ... forcing 5.2 back to 5.1 as solution isn't a reason to add 5.2 support at all ;-) |
| 22:12 |
ShadowNinja |
The only major feature missing is _ENV. |
| 22:13 |
sapier |
for your distribution, for mine it's way more |
| 22:14 |
sapier |
for what I remember you're on arch, true? |
| 22:15 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: Correct. The missing features aren't all that major though, they mostly deal with metatable checks. |
| 22:16 |
sapier |
it doesn't matter, no one wants to read and interpret 5 different locations one beeing package file of his distribution to find out what's supported and what not |
| 22:16 |
VanessaE |
inb4 RBA says he plans to use those features :P |
| 22:18 |
sapier |
if we add this I already know we cause a lot of discussions "update your distribution" .. "works for me" ... things like that |
| 22:20 |
sapier |
and arch is by no means a benchmark about supported features, to me arch is bleeding edge code I'd only touch with gloves and for sure wont use on a development machine or server ;-) |
| 22:23 |
Megaf |
sapier; I totally agree |
| 22:24 |
VanessaE |
the only way to solve that is to bundle Luajit with minetest. |
| 22:24 |
sapier |
which is both against suggestion of luajit and our own intention to add as less dependencys as possible |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
I know. |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
but we did/do the same with Lua |
| 22:25 |
VanessaE |
and for the same reasons, right? |
| 22:25 |
sapier |
what do we win on adding lua 5.2 support? is there anything worth it? |
| 22:25 |
sapier |
even on adding luajit we only get close to 5.2 support but still would have broken 5.2 support |
| 22:26 |
VanessaE |
I can't say because I don't know 5.2's feature set (except it has some bitwise operations), but having out-of-date Lua is guaranteed to be a problem sooner or later. |
| 22:26 |
sapier |
We're not a commercial company which needs marketing claims like "Brand new Minteste now with lua 5.2 support" |
| 22:27 |
VanessaE |
wanna bet? |
| 22:27 |
VanessaE |
commercial, no |
| 22:27 |
VanessaE |
but marketing is always important if you want something to be used. |
| 22:27 |
VanessaE |
I'm not saying to go start running TV commercials here |
| 22:27 |
sapier |
important enough to get bad moding experience due to issues caused by half implemented 5.2 features? |
| 22:28 |
VanessaE |
I'm just saying that people will begin to notice "fuck, this only has lua 5.1? what a piece of shit" eventually. |
| 22:28 |
sapier |
of course they will ... and I don't wanna tell "stay at 5.1 forever" ... I just believe it's to early to switch |
| 22:31 |
sapier |
And unless someone provides good new reason to switch I don't think I'm gonna change my mind about it. And to prevent false assumptions I don't expect my vote to be honored more then any other core devs vote |
| 22:44 |
ShadowNinja |
sapier: #1337 |
| 22:44 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1337 -- Death screen missing the background box |
| 22:44 |
sapier |
Yes already seen it |
| 22:44 |
sapier |
I wonder what makes the box around it invisible ... guess it's another layering issue |
| 22:49 |
kaeza |
dat issue number |
| 22:50 |
sapier |
well quite a good fit ;-) |
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| 23:35 |
LemonLake |
I know it's not quite core-dev related, but can I get some help with something, please? |
| 23:36 |
LemonLake |
Basically, I'm running Linux Mint 16 in a VM. I currently have 3D acceleration enabled. |
| 23:36 |
RealBadAngel |
well, luajit has things that regular lua has not |
| 23:36 |
LemonLake |
When it's enabled, it looks fine, runs fine, etc. As soon as I start minetest, though, this happens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlM2A7nyS3U |
| 23:36 |
RealBadAngel |
like ffi |
| 23:36 |
RealBadAngel |
http://luajit.org/ext_ffi.html |
| 23:36 |
LemonLake |
Minetest works perfect when 3D accel is disabled, however. The only problem with it being disabled is that the whole system runs at ~3fps |
| 23:36 |
RealBadAngel |
and bitwise operations comes with luajit not lua |
| 23:40 |
RealBadAngel |
you say in a Virtual Machine? |
| 23:40 |
LemonLake |
Yes |
| 23:40 |
RealBadAngel |
lol |
| 23:40 |
LemonLake |
My actual machine is dead. |
| 23:41 |
RealBadAngel |
so you do have also vrtual 3d acceleration |
| 23:41 |
LemonLake |
On my host bios? |
| 23:41 |
RealBadAngel |
cmon, for christ sake, vm are not for gaming |
| 23:41 |
LemonLake |
I'm aware. |
| 23:42 |
LemonLake |
I'm not playing games on them, though. |
| 23:42 |
RealBadAngel |
they dont have real gpu's |
| 23:42 |
LemonLake |
But I've got this problem that nobody wants to help me with. |
| 23:42 |
LemonLake |
And I can never compile on Windows. |
| 23:42 |
LemonLake |
So I'm compiling on here to debug it |
| 23:42 |
RealBadAngel |
just install normal OS and play |
| 23:42 |
LemonLake |
LemonLake> I'm not playing games on them, though. |
| 23:42 |
RealBadAngel |
or compile |
| 23:43 |
RealBadAngel |
have you ever heard of dual boot? |
| 23:43 |
LemonLake |
Yes and it's something that I'm not going to do. |
| 23:43 |
RealBadAngel |
you dont have to, installer will do that for you |
| 23:44 |
LemonLake |
What installer? |
| 23:44 |
RealBadAngel |
any linux installer |
| 23:44 |
LemonLake |
That's a thing? |
| 23:44 |
RealBadAngel |
installing linux next to windows is as easy as a few clicks |
| 23:44 |
LemonLake |
Do I actually have to run the ISO, though? |
| 23:44 |
LemonLake |
Like on a disc |
| 23:45 |
LemonLake |
Or is there an actual installer? |
| 23:45 |
RealBadAngel |
download distro of your choice, burn the dvd (or cd) |
| 23:45 |
RealBadAngel |
boot from it |
| 23:45 |
RealBadAngel |
and choose installing next to windows |
| 23:46 |
RealBadAngel |
i suggest pickin Xubuntu for example |
| 23:46 |
LemonLake |
I previously didn't want to do that. |
| 23:46 |
LemonLake |
Buuut |
| 23:46 |
LemonLake |
I'm gonna do it, one question first though |
| 23:46 |
LemonLake |
How does the dual boot ACTUALLY work? |
| 23:46 |
LemonLake |
Like, how and when do I switch OS? |
| 23:46 |
RealBadAngel |
when you turn on your machine you have simple menu to pick OS to load |
| 23:46 |
LemonLake |
Ah. |
| 23:47 |
LemonLake |
So I can't just come home, turn on my machine then go down to eat, I have to actually pick before it starts up. |
| 23:47 |
LemonLake |
I'm fine with that though, got another 1.4tb to spare. |
| 23:47 |
LemonLake |
Just gonna find a blank DVD to burn |
| 23:48 |
LemonLake |
Gotta be honest, I'm sh*t scared. |
| 23:48 |
RealBadAngel |
why so? installing linux is way easier than installing windows actually |
| 23:49 |
RealBadAngel |
at least modern linuxes |
| 23:49 |
LemonLake |
Lately I've been in the mindset where if I do one thing wrong in stuff like OS settings or I'm sure you can guess, the entire PC is a brick |
| 23:49 |
LemonLake |
But balls to it. Gotta take risks. Here goes, burning now. |
| 23:49 |
LemonLake |
Way quicker, too. |
| 23:49 |
LemonLake |
Oh crap that's loud |
| 23:50 |
RealBadAngel |
after you burn dvd, and boot from it |
| 23:50 |
RealBadAngel |
you may choose live |
| 23:50 |
LemonLake |
Or install |
| 23:50 |
RealBadAngel |
which means you can try the distro without hdd even |
| 23:51 |
RealBadAngel |
= no changes made to your disk |
| 23:51 |
LemonLake |
Should I partition the disk, actually? |
| 23:51 |
LemonLake |
I have a 2TB SSD (I think it's an SSD) split into two drives on Windows |
| 23:51 |
RealBadAngel |
installer will do that for you |
| 23:51 |
LemonLake |
Not sure how it works |
| 23:51 |
LemonLake |
Ah ok |
| 23:51 |
RealBadAngel |
you have just to pick correct option |
| 23:51 |
RealBadAngel |
just read all the messages |
| 23:52 |
LemonLake |
That's why I'm logging in on android :P |
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| 23:53 |
LemonLake |
Burned. |
| 23:53 |
LemonLake |
That disc eject scared the crap out of me |
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| 23:54 |
LemonLake |
Okay. Let's do this! |
| 23:55 |
lemonlake_ |
I hope the boot order is correct... |
| 23:56 |
lemonlake_ |
Okay, it keeps launching windows |
| 23:56 |
RealBadAngel |
so change it in bios |
| 23:59 |
lemonlake_ |
No key opens bios |
