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ShadowNinja |
Here's a more complete formspec mockup: http://ix.io/bEZ/lua |
| 00:16 |
ShadowNinja |
If we use full Lua mixed array/map serialization we can make t[1] a synonym for t["type"] and make it simpler. |
| 00:17 |
ShadowNinja |
Or smaller rather. |
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| 00:27 |
ShadowNinja |
I notice that the ASync API functions are passing str:len() after str to C a lot. Seems that sapier didn't know about the lua_getstring functions with a size. |
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ShadowNinja |
~tell sapier I removed the marshal dependency from the async API using string.dump and loadstring. I also fixed code style and a few real bugs (eg, missing lua_pop) Is the broken LuaJIT beta check still relevant? Experimental patch: http://ix.io/bF7/diff |
| 04:52 |
ShadowBot |
ShadowNinja: O.K. |
| 05:09 |
ShadowNinja |
Er, had other changes there. http://ix.io/bF8 |
| 05:12 |
ShadowNinja |
I also found a bug. Pausing the game before the world is visible will prevent it from loading. |
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ShadowNinja |
And yet again my C Lua changes have exploded into a monster: 24 files changed, 721 insertions(+), 1515 deletions(-) |
| 07:20 |
ShadowNinja |
I added the errfunc at init, rather than as every C -> Lua call. |
| 07:20 |
ShadowNinja |
at* |
| 07:21 |
ShadowNinja |
I also mv'd lua_api/l_async_events.* to cpp_api/s_async.* Since it actually belongs there. |
| 07:23 |
ShadowNinja |
http://ix.io/bFd/diff |
| 07:24 |
ShadowNinja |
And with that I'm off. o/ |
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seolfor |
can somebody help me with cmake config ? i can't add FrreType libarys |
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seolfor |
BlockMen, darkrose, PilzAdam will somebody help me with cmake config? I can't add FreeType libaryr into cmake config |
| 15:12 |
seolfor |
libarys* |
| 15:15 |
Shardvex |
#minetest seems to be more active right now |
| 15:16 |
seolfor |
thx for information Shardvex, but mayby you known why i cant add libary path of freeType into cmake config ? |
| 15:27 |
BlockMen |
seolfor, could you be more concrete what is not working? |
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| 15:32 |
RealBadAngel |
hi |
| 15:32 |
seolfor |
i made minimal build with vs2012 configued with cmake |
| 15:33 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, fix your shaders: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1193 |
| 15:33 |
seolfor |
after this i tried to add freetext dependency |
| 15:33 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam, im aware of it |
| 15:34 |
PilzAdam |
also water is opaque sometimes and light has no effect on it |
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| 15:34 |
RealBadAngel |
the question is i shall push changes that those bugs do not apply or 1st change older code |
| 15:34 |
PilzAdam |
what? |
| 15:34 |
RealBadAngel |
and then push newer code |
| 15:35 |
RealBadAngel |
i have rebuilt shaders completely meanwhile |
| 15:35 |
PilzAdam |
fix the bugs without introducing new bugs |
| 15:36 |
PilzAdam |
also why do you keep rewriting shaders completly? |
| 15:36 |
RealBadAngel |
not the shaders really, way of handling them |
| 15:37 |
RealBadAngel |
i have moved generation of shaders from realtime to startup |
| 15:38 |
RealBadAngel |
simple step, but i do have 40-60 fps again, with all the effects turned on |
| 15:39 |
RealBadAngel |
and i mean with normals generation on the fly |
| 15:41 |
RealBadAngel |
also, this rewrite means one shader for nodes |
| 15:41 |
RealBadAngel |
and others for postprocess |
| 15:43 |
RealBadAngel |
again, the question, shall i fix the old code or push the new one.... |
| 15:44 |
RealBadAngel |
because the bug is kinda silly, and openGL related |
| 15:47 |
RealBadAngel |
on one machine code vec4 (color.rgb, alpha) is proper on others vec4 (color.r, color.b, color.g, alpha) is needed |
| 15:48 |
RealBadAngel |
this is kinda sick |
| 15:49 |
RealBadAngel |
that one above caused light issues for water at night |
| 15:49 |
seolfor |
RealBadAngel, can't you be more specific with on is on with machine ? (vec4 ) mayby ther is some macro needed |
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seolfor |
im not shure what "diffrent" machines you mean ... linux/windos x32/x64, or any random thing .. |
| 15:53 |
ShadowNinja |
seolfor: Different versions of OpenGL or graphics cards. |
| 15:53 |
RealBadAngel |
genau |
| 15:53 |
RealBadAngel |
same code behaves very different way |
| 15:54 |
RealBadAngel |
or even wont compile |
| 15:54 |
RealBadAngel |
gl is a bitch |
| 15:54 |
RealBadAngel |
and they call it a standard, LOL |
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seolfor |
if thats the case so it's realy a quite problem |
| 15:59 |
seolfor |
if it would be only diffrent version of openGL it whould be not so bad, but if grahpic card's make inpact on it's I whould consider it as bug of OpenGL |
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| 16:05 |
RealBadAngel |
i have to be very carefull what im using, have to check what works for nvidia what for ati |
| 16:05 |
RealBadAngel |
this is ridiculous |
| 16:05 |
seolfor |
this is Open software ;] |
| 16:06 |
RealBadAngel |
actually not |
| 16:06 |
seolfor |
realy ? OpenGl is not public code ? |
| 16:06 |
RealBadAngel |
thats why Thorvalds show nvidia a finger |
| 16:07 |
RealBadAngel |
interface to hardware is closed |
| 16:08 |
seolfor |
so the "best" part is closed .. what a lame :p |
| 16:08 |
RealBadAngel |
you can just quess whats right |
| 16:09 |
RealBadAngel |
open source drivers are reverse engering |
| 16:09 |
Calinou |
<RealBadAngel> interface to hardware is closed |
| 16:09 |
Calinou |
like in any brand |
| 16:10 |
Calinou |
<RealBadAngel> thats why Thorvalds show nvidia a finger |
| 16:10 |
RealBadAngel |
WE shall not let it happen |
| 16:10 |
seolfor |
;D |
| 16:10 |
Calinou |
he retracted his finger a few months ago when NVIDIA started pushing straw man patches |
| 16:11 |
RealBadAngel |
we do have much more fingers aviable |
| 16:12 |
RealBadAngel |
because if we will let it pass, we soon will be coding in pauses for watchin the commercials |
| 16:14 |
sfan5 |
ShadowNinja: can I have your threadname patch again? (the non-hacky one) |
| 16:16 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: The non-hacky one doesn't work with Windows at all. The hacky one works only for MSVC. And the hacky part is only the MSVC section. |
| 16:16 |
sfan5 |
how do you know it does not work at all? |
| 16:16 |
ShadowNinja |
You can get the patch from my PR. Because SetThreadName doesn't exist on any version of Windows. |
| 16:21 |
sfan5 |
BTW #1224 should be merged |
| 16:21 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1224 -- Fix problem with newer MinGW runtimes by sfan5 |
| 16:22 |
sfan5 |
it fixes compiling on my freshly compiled MinGW gcc 4.8 |
| 16:22 |
seolfor |
guys why i can makde Debug build but i get linking errors in Release one ? |
| 16:22 |
seolfor |
make* |
| 16:23 |
seolfor |
and please dont tell me somthing like "instal linx" |
| 16:33 |
seolfor |
im using newest version of minetest, i made a debug build, run it and in attempt of world creation i getting ingame Error:Invalid game index - it's only for me or newest commit is broken ? |
| 16:33 |
sfan5 |
seolfor: dl yl |
| 16:33 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, opengl is an API specification; it has nothing to do with code |
| 16:34 |
sfan5 |
seolfor: please paste the errors you get |
| 16:35 |
seolfor |
sfan5, like i sad i got "Error: Invalid game index" |
| 16:35 |
sfan5 |
I mean the linking errors |
| 16:37 |
seolfor |
http://pastebin.com/e4MqnVDH, |
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seolfor |
sfan5, any idea ? |
| 16:42 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 16:43 |
sfan5 |
no idea |
| 16:43 |
seolfor |
;] thx any way, and how about this one ingame error ? |
| 16:43 |
ShadowNinja |
Seems MSVC and MT both define _str*. |
| 16:45 |
seolfor |
im seek and tired of this msvc.. i will work only in debug mode for now |
| 16:47 |
seolfor |
any ide'a what is this ? |
| 16:47 |
seolfor |
http://snag.gy/KntV3.jpg |
| 16:49 |
sfan5 |
your irrlicht was compiled without support for other fonts |
| 16:50 |
seolfor |
sfan5, so i have to do what? compile irrlicht or add gettext font lib into project ? |
| 16:50 |
sfan5 |
gettext is for translations, not fonts |
| 16:51 |
sfan5 |
either compile irrlicht or use sfan5.pf-control.de/irrlicht-1.8.1-win32.zip |
| 16:51 |
seolfor |
thx for pack |
| 16:51 |
sfan5 |
I have some more libs on thre |
| 16:51 |
sfan5 |
there* |
| 16:52 |
seolfor |
it's compiled with gcc ? i'm using vs2012 it will work ? |
| 16:53 |
sfan5 |
these: http://sfan5.pf-control.de/luajit-2.0.1-static-win32.zip & http://sfan5.pf-control.de/libleveldb-1.12-win32.zip & http://sfan5.pf-control.de/freetype-2.3.5-1.zip & http://sfan5.pf-control.de/gettext-0.14.4.zip |
| 16:53 |
sfan5 |
it was compiled with gcc, but it should work with msvc |
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seolfor |
thx |
| 16:53 |
seolfor |
i'm missing only gettext rest i made alredy |
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| 16:55 |
seolfor |
and i had already freetype in my project it's it font pack ? or am i missing dll in build folder ? |
| 16:55 |
sfan5 |
if you have a .dll missing it would not start |
| 16:57 |
seolfor |
yep i added them already but im curious why i dont got fonts .. (i have to install some dictionary checking into irc ;/ ) |
| 17:01 |
seolfor |
sfan5, if you want i have also curl libogg/vorbis copiled libs |
| 17:02 |
seolfor |
it may be usefull for somebody |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
I have all libs in compiled form |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
+alreadyy |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
-y |
| 17:02 |
sfan5 |
I provide windows builds |
| 17:02 |
seolfor |
ah is that so .. ;] |
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seolfor |
sfan5, i can't link your irrlicht libary ;( |
| 17:10 |
seolfor |
so it's looks like i have to compile it myslef |
| 17:10 |
Megaf |
Hi everyone |
| 17:17 |
seolfor |
sfan5, this compilation of irrlicht mast be done with some speclal parameters or linking's for fonts supprot ? |
| 17:17 |
sfan5 |
no |
| 17:19 |
seolfor |
just compile it right? ok i will do it (but first it's looks like im missing directX sdk) |
| 17:31 |
sfan5 |
you do not need the DX sdk if you don't need DirectX support |
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| 18:02 |
seolfor |
sfan5, i need sdk dx for compilation process |
| 18:03 |
seolfor |
+irrlich |
| 18:09 |
sfan5 |
merging #1224 in 10 mins |
| 18:09 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1224 -- Fix problem with newer MinGW runtimes by sfan5 |
| 18:27 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam: it seems that you have never code anything open GL |
| 18:28 |
RealBadAngel |
some code is valid for ati, some for nvidia, not to mention revisions... |
| 18:29 |
RealBadAngel |
opengl is a joke |
| 18:30 |
RealBadAngel |
most fucked up programming languange i ever saw |
| 18:30 |
sfan5 |
opengl is not a programming language |
| 18:31 |
RealBadAngel |
you know what im talkin about |
| 18:31 |
sfan5 |
the shader lang? |
| 18:31 |
RealBadAngel |
up |
| 18:31 |
RealBadAngel |
yup |
| 18:32 |
PilzAdam |
RealBadAngel, I think _you_ dont know what you are talking about :-p |
| 18:32 |
seolfor |
PilzAdam, im shure he mean API instead "language" |
| 18:32 |
RealBadAngel |
PilzAdam: for christ sake, code something once |
| 18:33 |
RealBadAngel |
instead of fooling around |
| 18:33 |
RealBadAngel |
any other case, just shut the up |
| 18:33 |
seolfor |
;] i wana code somthing .... instead of this fight with compitalione on win |
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| 18:34 |
RealBadAngel |
*fuck |
| 18:34 |
sfan5 |
seolfor: compile with mingw if you don't want to mess with stuff |
| 18:35 |
seolfor |
sfan5, can u send me ALL your dependencies and compilation projects etc ? |
| 18:35 |
RealBadAngel |
anyway, fixes for the issues will come this weekend |
| 18:36 |
seolfor |
to hell with it >.> im instaling linux |
| 18:36 |
RealBadAngel |
propably together with new architechture |
| 18:37 |
RealBadAngel |
going back is not possible |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
seolfor: compiling works pretty good on windows |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
but only when you use mingw |
| 18:37 |
seolfor |
sfan5, i tried |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
with MinGW? |
| 18:37 |
seolfor |
i made all dependencies with mingw |
| 18:37 |
sfan5 |
compile minetest with mingw too |
| 18:38 |
seolfor |
but i wasnt be able to compile minetest |
| 18:38 |
sfan5 |
post an error log then |
| 18:38 |
RealBadAngel |
im encountering much more problems fixing stuff than doing them properly from scratch |
| 18:39 |
seolfor |
hmy .. then.. can you give me all depenedencies for mingw again ? i removed my compilations already .. |
| 18:39 |
sfan5 |
ok |
| 18:39 |
seolfor |
for mingw ofcourse* |
| 18:43 |
seolfor |
sfan5, are you there ? i realy started thinking about linux |
| 18:43 |
sfan5 |
yes |
| 18:43 |
sfan5 |
uploading.. |
| 18:44 |
seolfor |
oh, sory i will w8 then ;D |
| 18:45 |
sfan5 |
seolfor: sfan5.pf-control.de/packages-minetest-win32.7z |
| 18:46 |
seolfor |
asome.. thx a lot i will give them a shot ;] |
| 18:50 |
seolfor |
sfan5, about OGG_LIBRARY with one should i include ? /libogg-1.2.1-dev/lib/libogg.a or *.dll.a ? |
| 18:51 |
sfan5 |
if you don't want to put the .dll in your bin folder use the .a otherwise the .dll.a |
| 18:51 |
sfan5 |
this is a more or less general rule |
| 18:51 |
seolfor |
thx |
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seolfor |
sfan5, i already made "generation" form cmake for mingw, and now how do i compile minetest ? |
| 19:00 |
sfan5 |
run 'make' |
| 19:00 |
seolfor |
from msys console ? |
| 19:00 |
sfan5 |
yep |
| 19:00 |
seolfor |
i done it but .. |
| 19:01 |
sfan5 |
paste the error |
| 19:02 |
seolfor |
yep w8, .... bwt should i run it form main minetest folder or form cmake generated ? |
| 19:03 |
seolfor |
sfan5, http://snag.gy/aRotn.jpg |
| 19:03 |
sfan5 |
from the folder cmake made |
| 19:04 |
seolfor |
so im done it .. |
| 19:04 |
sfan5 |
where is your 'Makefile'? |
| 19:04 |
seolfor |
but nothing heppend (or it's seems like msys closed after i typed make) |
| 19:05 |
seolfor |
in .. .. . minetest\bin folder |
| 19:05 |
seolfor |
path is right |
| 19:06 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 19:06 |
seolfor |
i hate "cmd" in windows >.< right now i have 4 diffrend comand shells >.< |
| 19:06 |
sfan5 |
run cmake with the build dir as a seperate directory, e.g. minetest\build |
| 19:07 |
seolfor |
i run cmake for destination directory minetest\bin - it shouldnt be much diffrence |
| 19:07 |
seolfor |
mayby my mingw is coruppted ? |
| 19:08 |
sfan5 |
I don't think so |
| 19:08 |
sfan5 |
wait wait |
| 19:08 |
seolfor |
but it's looks aloust like shell clrash after typing cmake |
| 19:08 |
sfan5 |
<sfan5> run cmake with the build dir as a seperate directory, e.g. minetest\build |
| 19:08 |
sfan5 |
try that |
| 19:08 |
seolfor |
ok |
| 19:09 |
seolfor |
o0 |
| 19:09 |
seolfor |
i think i found problem ... |
| 19:11 |
seolfor |
last one i made for mingw makefile http://snag.gy/xzQtD.jpg |
| 19:11 |
seolfor |
instead of msys makefiles |
| 19:13 |
seolfor |
sfan5, but now i get http://0bin.net/paste/CX8iZRrvcgh4KWjZ#, so cmake should be done for mingw or msys ? |
| 19:13 |
sfan5 |
... |
| 19:13 |
sfan5 |
umm |
| 19:13 |
sfan5 |
the paste link does not work |
| 19:14 |
seolfor |
http://ctrlv.it/id/Mzc3OTc1 |
| 19:15 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 19:15 |
sfan5 |
try mignw |
| 19:15 |
sfan5 |
mingw* |
| 19:15 |
sfan5 |
maybe you need to download make seperatly and run it from normal cmd |
| 19:16 |
seolfor |
sfan5, done http://ctrlv.it/id/Mzc3OTc2 |
| 19:16 |
sfan5 |
that looks good |
| 19:19 |
seolfor |
ah .. it's comping now .. i run make form cmd shell like : C:\MinGW\bin\mingw-make, and it failed already ;( but how i got at least some error |
| 19:20 |
seolfor |
error: ft2build.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:20 |
seolfor |
freetype woring linking ? |
| 19:25 |
seolfor |
yep freetype variables are not showing in cmake-gui for shure |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
freetype has 2 different includes |
| 19:26 |
sfan5 |
http://dev.minetest.net/CMake_Options#Freetype2 |
| 19:26 |
seolfor |
i added them already |
| 19:27 |
sfan5 |
^ seolfor: consult that wiki page for information |
| 19:28 |
seolfor |
but realy why ther are two includes ;] *_ft2build *_freetype2 it's not normall at all .. |
| 19:28 |
seolfor |
how i have to figure out how to debug this build ;) |
| 19:29 |
celeron55 |
seolfor: i have really bad experiences trying to use cmake with msys |
| 19:29 |
seolfor |
sfan5, mingw by defauld is making debug or release build ? |
| 19:29 |
celeron55 |
it just doesn't understand what it's running on |
| 19:29 |
celeron55 |
run cmake on the regular windows command prompt and tell it to use mingw and it will work |
| 19:30 |
sfan5 |
seolfor: cmake makes release by default |
| 19:30 |
celeron55 |
and remember to clear all of cmake's cache (CMakeCache.txt, CMakeFiles) |
| 19:30 |
sfan5 |
seolfor: there were always two includes |
| 19:30 |
seolfor |
celeron55, i done it already exacly like you say |
| 19:35 |
seolfor |
error at compiling proces .. http://ctrlv.it/id/Mzc3OTc3 |
| 19:35 |
seolfor |
at 100% ;] |
| 19:40 |
sfan5 |
hm |
| 19:40 |
sfan5 |
disable leveldb for now |
| 19:40 |
sfan5 |
seems like I did something wrong |
| 19:41 |
seolfor |
i did it and now recoplinig... |
| 19:47 |
seolfor |
sfan5, again failed http://ctrlv.it/id/Mzc3OTg4 and now i don't have any idea why |
| 19:48 |
sfan5 |
o.O |
| 19:48 |
sfan5 |
which mingw version do you have? |
| 19:49 |
seolfor |
hmy .. mingw-make is 3.82.90 |
| 19:53 |
seolfor |
sfan5, any idea ? |
| 19:53 |
sfan5 |
which mingw-gcc version? |
| 19:54 |
seolfor |
4.8.1 |
| 19:58 |
ShadowNinja |
celeron55: Did you see my SCons minetestmapper patch? |
| 19:59 |
ShadowNinja |
I made another patch for minetestmapper that tripples speed: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7251559/ |
| 19:59 |
seolfor |
sfan5, can you give me your cmake config ? i will only change dependencies paths |
| 19:59 |
sfan5 |
eh, sure |
| 20:00 |
seolfor |
becouse this is simple seek .. >.< |
| 20:00 |
ShadowNinja |
Also, comments on http://ix.io/bFd/diff ? |
| 20:01 |
seolfor |
o .. i have better idea i will not chage anything in cmake config i will simply move dependencis |
| 20:02 |
sfan5 |
seolfor: http://0bin.net/paste/YrCDZng3IjNpfGCG#p9ho/WHZ1cn9+V9axeIu6LWFax6h4ZqGS/64L0XMIJA= |
| 20:03 |
seolfor |
"simply" <- have new meening for me now >.> like "i will not use door to get in, i will make another one exacly the same like sfan5 got, and then we will se if they will work" ;( |
| 20:07 |
ShadowNinja |
Also, who came up with this pythonmodulo bit twidling? http://ix.io/bG2/diff I'll push that in a minute. |
| 20:09 |
seolfor |
sfan5, what is it : /home/stefan/mt-build/buildbot/toolchain_mingw.cmake |
| 20:09 |
seolfor |
and this : /usr/bin/msgfmt |
| 20:09 |
sfan5 |
msgfmt is used for gettext |
| 20:09 |
sfan5 |
just ignore the toolchain_mingw.cmake file |
| 20:10 |
seolfor |
and this msgfmt ? |
| 20:13 |
sfan5 |
just disable gettext for now |
| 20:16 |
ShadowNinja |
The Minetest client and server-only build use seperate project names, meaning that everything that the server uses is build twice. Can this be done in a better way? |
| 20:23 |
ShadowNinja |
sfan5: Comments on my mapper patch? |
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seolfor |
sfan5, to hell with windows, still not working tomorow i will my lovly archlinux |
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seolfor |
i will install my lovly* |
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ShadowNinja |
Grrr, that noise bug is making Minetest unusable. hmmmm: <-- Has nobody else experienced this? |
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VanessaE_ |
what noise bug? |
| 20:53 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE_: resizeNoiseBuf throws an std::bad_alloc. Release builds too (although a catch (...) catches it and prints it rather than crashing) |
| 20:53 |
ShadowNinja |
Oddly only my development installation has it. |
| 20:53 |
ShadowNinja |
Possibly a mod. |
| 20:54 |
VanessaE_ |
hm. I haven't been playing much lately so I haven't seen anything unusual like that. |
| 20:55 |
tiemay |
I just created a minetest cleaner for bleachbit ( https://github.com/az0/cleanerml/blob/master/pending/minetest.xml ), and it needs to be reviewed before getting added to the release. You all probably know minetest best, so it would be nice if you helped ( http://bleachbit.sourceforge.net/contribute/cleaner ) |
| 20:55 |
ShadowNinja |
Happens even with all mods disabled. |
| 20:56 |
ShadowNinja |
VanessaE_: I've had this issue for a while. |
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hmmmm |
ShadowNinja, huh? |
| 21:24 |
hmmmm |
the noise has been in there and hasn't changed for about a year and a half now |
| 21:24 |
hmmmm |
nobody else has ever had this problem..... |
| 21:24 |
celeron55 |
tiemay: what the mod_settings one isn't officially supported by minetest; the behavior is completely undefined if you do that |
| 21:24 |
hmmmm |
std::bad_alloc typically means you're trying to allocate way too much, so chances are a mod has a value that's really messed up |
| 21:25 |
celeron55 |
tiemay: probably breaks the world |
| 21:25 |
hmmmm |
I don't do error checking on the noise parameters, sorry. I really should though I admit |
| 21:25 |
celeron55 |
s/what the mod_settings one/what the mod_settings one does/ |
| 21:25 |
hmmmm |
my code has a certain philosophy though, and users of Noise are able to change most of the parameters after the noise has already been constructed, without "setter" method overhead |
| 21:26 |
hmmmm |
the downside of this philosophy is that it has a certain amount of trust |
| 21:26 |
celeron55 |
tiemay: the four others are fine |
| 21:26 |
tiemay |
celeron55: I tested it, currently the file just gets recreated when the world starts up again |
| 21:26 |
hmmmm |
I think what I might do is add in sanity checks for noise values on initialization, but anything after that is up to the user |
| 21:26 |
celeron55 |
tiemay: if the world uses some other game than minetest_game, it won't know what game it uses |
| 21:26 |
celeron55 |
-> it breaks |
| 21:27 |
celeron55 |
it defaults to minetest_game due to legacy purposes |
| 21:27 |
celeron55 |
which makes it work for your case |
| 21:27 |
celeron55 |
try eg. nodetopia |
| 21:28 |
celeron55 |
also if you use some other backend than sqlite3, it breaks |
| 21:29 |
celeron55 |
currently you can somewhat safely clear each line from world.mt except the "gameid = <something>" one and the "backend = <something>" one, but more will come in the future |
| 21:29 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: No mods are enabled. |
| 21:30 |
tiemay |
celeron55: ah, I see now. I'm not sure if bleachbit can erase just part of a file... perhaps the mod enable/disable settings could be stored in it's own file? |
| 21:30 |
hmmmm |
can you check out your map_meta.txt? |
| 21:31 |
celeron55 |
tiemay: just remove the whole option; you can't do it safely |
| 21:31 |
celeron55 |
tiemay: also if you remove the mod options, everything in the world that is made by the mod breaks |
| 21:31 |
celeron55 |
the whole content of the file is just inherent to the world |
| 21:32 |
celeron55 |
change it to a full-blown "clear worlds" option if you insist on removing that file |
| 21:32 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7252041/ |
| 21:32 |
celeron55 |
this is just dumb |
| 21:32 |
hmmmm |
wow |
| 21:32 |
hmmmm |
those are interesting values |
| 21:32 |
hmmmm |
why are the last two parameters nuts like that |
| 21:32 |
celeron55 |
what are the 3rd and 2nd last parameters? |
| 21:33 |
hmmmm |
octave and seed offset, i forget in which order |
| 21:33 |
tiemay |
celeron55: doesn't everything in a world from a mod already break after removing the mod? |
| 21:33 |
celeron55 |
that's an insane octave either way |
| 21:33 |
hmmmm |
yep |
| 21:33 |
celeron55 |
tiemay: same thing |
| 21:34 |
celeron55 |
tiemay: i'm not going to argue more about this; you know my view on it now and i probably won't ever even try bleachbit if it's policies are like this |
| 21:34 |
hmmmm |
hmmmmm and that's the dilemma |
| 21:34 |
hmmmm |
do I limit the number of octaves |
| 21:34 |
tiemay |
celeron55: dude, chill... |
| 21:34 |
celeron55 |
no, i don't chill when people are dumb |
| 21:35 |
tiemay |
celeron55: stop pissing on your new contributors, mistakes are part of learning |
| 21:35 |
hmmmm |
instead of limiting the number of octaves, i think a better approach would be to bypass the noise lattice buffer and use the slow perlin noise functions to populate the noise |
| 21:36 |
hmmmm |
that way people can have 55 octaves if they really want it, and it'll work for everybody, there's just no telling how slow it might be ;) |
| 21:36 |
celeron55 |
hmmmm: lol |
| 21:36 |
hmmmm |
tiemay, if you can get through the hazing stage I promise everything will be good |
| 21:36 |
celeron55 |
33 octaves would take like an hour |
| 21:36 |
hmmmm |
eh |
| 21:36 |
hmmmm |
more like 2-3 seconds on a fairly modern processor i'd assume |
| 21:37 |
hmmmm |
still ridiculous |
| 21:37 |
celeron55 |
hmm... isn't it like 2^(33-3) more expensive than a 3 octave noise? |
| 21:37 |
tiemay |
hmmmm: hazing is not ok with me, ever... |
| 21:37 |
celeron55 |
which is 1073741824 |
| 21:37 |
* hmmmm |
scratches head |
| 21:37 |
celeron55 |
that's probably more than an hour 8)) |
| 21:38 |
hmmmm |
it should only be 33 iterations per call |
| 21:38 |
hmmmm |
the thing that's exponentially decaying is the spread factor |
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| 21:40 |
celeron55 |
so how does the noise thing even iterate |
| 21:41 |
celeron55 |
ah yes, it's just linearly increasing the iterations |
| 21:41 |
hmmmm |
i'm just talking about the naive point polling functions |
| 21:43 |
celeron55 |
some implementation might get that slow though |
| 21:44 |
celeron55 |
but the sampling resolution of any octave stays exactly the same in this... which makes the octaves just completely random noise (nothing like perlin) when they go smaller than the sampling resolution of value per node |
| 21:44 |
celeron55 |
you could probably convert the remaining octaves to a single noise2d call 8) |
| 21:45 |
celeron55 |
(which wouldn't give the same result but would modify the result in the same nonsense way) |
| 21:47 |
celeron55 |
i guess it's called aliasing, actually |
| 21:48 |
celeron55 |
... |
| 21:48 |
celeron55 |
so where did the values come from in the first place? |
| 21:48 |
celeron55 |
the main issue doesn't seem to be how the values are handled but rather the weird values |
| 21:50 |
celeron55 |
<+ShadowNinja> celeron55: Did you see my SCons minetestmapper patch? |
| 21:50 |
celeron55 |
where is this? |
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hmmmm |
hmm |
| 22:44 |
hmmmm |
https://forums.unrealengine.com/showthread.php?2574-Why-C-for-Unreal-4&p=16252&viewfull=1#post16252 |
| 22:45 |
hmmmm |
sometimes i wonder if this incredibly enormous lua scripting environment is the best way to do things |
| 22:45 |
proller |
and slowest |
| 22:45 |
proller |
and for singleplayer only |
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| 23:07 |
ShadowNinja |
celeron55: http://ix.io/bEx/diff |
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| 23:12 |
ShadowNinja |
hmmmm: I think that a C++ API using loadable modules (usually shared libraries) would be good. It would be much less portable though. 23/64 bit and Linux/Windows/OSX versions would need to be projided if they were cross-platform. Or they'd have to be compiled with it. |
| 23:13 |
ShadowNinja |
I don't think that we should drop Lua though, for all of those reasons. It's also much easier to send to a client and sandbox. |
| 23:15 |
VanessaE_ |
ShadowNinja: cue lamefun and his HTML5/javascript rave :P |
| 23:16 |
ShadowNinja |
Comments? http://ix.io/bGm |
| 23:18 |
ShadowNinja |
This too, I'll make a pull soon: http://ix.io/bGn |
| 23:33 |
ShadowNinja |
~tell sapier See #1226 |
| 23:33 |
ShadowBot |
ShadowNinja: O.K. |
| 23:33 |
ShadowNinja |
#1226 |
| 23:34 |
ShadowBot |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1226 -- [WIP] Remove dependency on marshal and push the Lua error handler only once by ShadowNinja |
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