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| 07:19 |
kahrl |
hmmmm: actually httpfetch is 'kind of' ready |
| 07:19 |
kahrl |
see http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2013-11-04#i_3412316 |
| 07:21 |
kahrl |
a problem is that the serverlist part of it has not been tested much since the plan is to use async_events for that purpose |
| 07:21 |
VanessaE |
kahrl: point of interest: without http_fetch, I can pull data from my VPS at ~135 kB/sec. |
| 07:22 |
VanessaE |
I have not tested it with, yet. |
| 07:22 |
kahrl |
so if we want to fix the serverlist stall we'd have to merge async_events, not httpfetch (or test the serverlist part of httpfetch, merge that for 0.4.8, and replace it with the async_events variant for 0.4.9) |
| 07:22 |
kahrl |
VanessaE: that is with curl though, right? |
| 07:22 |
VanessaE |
yes |
| 07:26 |
VanessaE |
without, Pilzadam says he was barely able to sustain 5 kB/sec :) |
| 07:28 |
VanessaE |
foe the 0.4.9 milestone, I'd like to suggest caching all models and other media, client side, that isn't so now. |
| 07:28 |
VanessaE |
for* |
| 07:28 |
kahrl |
hey, that's better than a 9600 baud modem |
| 07:28 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 07:29 |
kahrl |
all media is cached |
| 07:29 |
kahrl |
the downloading code doesn't make a distinction between file types |
| 07:29 |
VanessaE |
to me, "media" includes models also |
| 07:29 |
kahrl |
well those are cached too |
| 07:29 |
VanessaE |
no |
| 07:29 |
VanessaE |
they aren't |
| 07:30 |
kahrl |
what you're seeing is a loading bug |
| 07:30 |
VanessaE |
someone of authority, also PA I think, has said they aren't being cached? |
| 07:30 |
VanessaE |
interesting |
| 07:30 |
kahrl |
I don't remember the details of the bug though |
| 07:30 |
VanessaE |
no matter |
| 07:31 |
VanessaE |
when either httpfetch or async goes in, that point will be moot :) |
| 07:31 |
kahrl |
(there's no if (!string_ends_with(filename, ".x")) add_to_cache() in the downloading code) |
| 07:32 |
kahrl |
well httpfetch yes, async_events doesn't have anything to do with it |
| 07:32 |
VanessaE |
there's been the claim that async will fix that loading glich...somehow |
| 07:32 |
VanessaE |
I don't remember the details either |
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kahrl |
huh |
| 07:33 |
kahrl |
the bug happens when the client is already running... at that point the mainmenu lua stack has already been destroyed, async_events shouldn't be around anymore |
| 07:34 |
kahrl |
unless I'm misunderstanding the design |
| 07:34 |
VanessaE |
beats me - you already know more about it than I do :P |
| 07:35 |
VanessaE |
ok, time to give my brain a rest. |
| 07:35 |
VanessaE |
night. |
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kahrl |
night |
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BlockMen |
i know we have a freeze, but does that affect fixes like this? https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest/commit/0e6a184809c5d1c38963f5862930b8089f06fb7b |
| 14:35 |
ShadowNinja |
BlockMen: Simple fixes are still ok. That looks good to me. |
| 14:36 |
ShadowNinja |
(But can paths actually contain characters that need to be escaped?) |
| 14:36 |
BlockMen |
ShadowNinja, "/". actually it loops through and says "cant open .... |
| 14:39 |
BlockMen |
ShadowNinja, if you agree i gonna push it then |
| 14:40 |
ShadowNinja |
BlockMen: That shouldn't cause any issues, maybe '\' though. If it works then I'm OK with it. |
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PilzAdam |
I got another build failed e-mail from launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/daily-builds/+recipebuild/586611 |
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ShadowNinja |
I don't see how that build log is even remotely helpfull. Maybe Trusty has a bug? |
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PilzAdam |
ShadowNinja, I havent looked at the log yet, Im just passing it into this channel |
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| 17:24 |
sapier |
vanessa async doesn't do anything after mainmenu is destroyed for the moment |
| 17:25 |
VanessaE |
sapier: ok, well someone (I forget who) seemed to be convinced that adding the async stuff would fix the load-order issue with some files coming off remote_media |
| 17:25 |
sapier |
there are plans to add async support to scriptapi too but I need to fix the environment locking issues first, async wont be very helpfull without it |
| 17:26 |
sapier |
no async is what it's name tells async things only :-) that's why there's no conflict to httpfetch too |
| 17:27 |
VanessaE |
then httpfetch IS needed to fix that load order bug |
| 17:28 |
sapier |
and I don't like the somehow async httpfetch addons as they are specific for downloading and can't be used for anything else ... while async is designed to be used for everything (once some basic core issues are fixed) |
| 17:28 |
sapier |
while I am absolutely positive about the httpfetch core |
| 17:29 |
sapier |
https://github.com/sapier/minetest/tree/async_events_plus_httpfetch is async using httpfetch |
| 17:30 |
sapier |
but I'm not 100% sure kahrl didn't fix things after I merged httpfetch |
| 17:31 |
sapier |
see httpfetch as backend while async is frontend to scripting |
| 17:36 |
VanessaE |
well either way there needs to be less hemming-and-hawing and more tuning-and-committing. If the part of the code that is needed to fix this bug works properly and works well, wtf is the delay? |
| 17:37 |
sapier |
what bug are we talking about? |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
Certain people people kept hok me a tchynik about using remote_media. ow that I use it on my servers, it revealed this out-of-order resource loading issue that causes clients to sometimes miss image files or models...and now no one wants to JUST FIX IT. :P |
| 17:38 |
VanessaE |
now* |
| 17:39 |
sapier |
ohh that one :-) |
| 17:41 |
sapier |
OldCoder I found your nil deserialization, you can ignore it it's a initializer trying to initialize with nil fixing a invalid initialization after that |
| 17:42 |
VanessaE |
(insert random "Yo Dawg..." meme here) |
| 17:47 |
sapier |
:-) I know this doesn't help but I guess that bug doesn't happen enough often |
| 17:47 |
sapier |
btw when is release planed to be? |
| 17:47 |
VanessaE |
it happens on probably any server out there that uses remote media. |
| 17:48 |
VanessaE |
no idea |
| 17:49 |
PilzAdam |
sapier, next weekend? |
| 17:49 |
sapier |
ok wasn't sure remembered something about tuesday |
| 17:50 |
celeron55 |
launchpad... blah |
| 17:51 |
celeron55 |
debian has changed something in something related to packaging and then there's that obscure debian-specific issue "native package version may not have a revision" in it |
| 17:51 |
celeron55 |
i have no way of knowing what "native package version" means and neither do i have any idea why it shouldn't have a revision and i don't have any clue how it's supposed to be done differently |
| 17:52 |
celeron55 |
i could remove {revno} from it, but i don't know what the consequences from it are |
| 17:53 |
celeron55 |
this is why i don't want to do anything distro-specific in minetest... |
| 17:53 |
celeron55 |
they think everybody in the world know their internal things |
| 17:53 |
celeron55 |
it's plain stupid |
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OldCoder |
sapier, so any fix would be cosmetic? |
| 17:54 |
sapier |
yes |
| 17:55 |
OldCoder |
sapier, Thank you. My mindset is such that I prefer to fix things; I may look for a cosmetic fix. |
| 17:55 |
OldCoder |
sapier, thanks for (1) this information (2) the cows setting change (3) the information about the load time lockup |
| 17:55 |
OldCoder |
You have been most helpful |
| 17:56 |
celeron55 |
apparently "native package" means something like a package that is used only in debian |
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* OldCoder |
will test related to load time lockup and looks forward to a fix for that |
| 17:56 |
celeron55 |
but this for sure isn't that |
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celeron55 |
http://i.imgur.com/xbNvRPY.png |
| 18:05 |
celeron55 |
yeah no thanks, trying to understand this is an absolute waste of time |
| 18:06 |
celeron55 |
someone go drag into here some creature that understands something about debian packaging and launchpad |
| 18:07 |
celeron55 |
those probably live in deep rocky and muddy holes |
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OldCoder |
celeron55, I am pleased to see that you are in a better mood than usual. BTW I cannot core dev ATM but hope to do so as things proceed. |
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OldCoder |
celeron55, I am sure that the "creatures" from muddy holes will be pleased to come. I will ask around. |
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sapier |
"but static data doesn't actually exist in (4,-2,-41)" shouldn't those things be fixed with the object duplication fixes? |
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artur99_ |
!seen oldcoder |
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sfan5 |
^ lol |
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