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| 01:05 |
kahrl |
Happy belated New Year, or Happy New Year in advance! |
| 01:06 |
kahrl |
or Happy New Year in case you're in Cape Verde or eastern Greenland or the Azores |
| 01:16 |
iqualfragile |
or you allready have a happy new year in case you are in germany :D |
| 01:16 |
iqualfragile |
since 2 hours |
| 01:27 |
kahrl |
indeed, that's where I am :D |
| 01:27 |
kahrl |
had too much champagne tonight though :D |
| 01:56 |
iqualfragile |
kahrl: na denne: wech vom rechner, ab zur party |
| 02:09 |
VanessaE |
kahrl!? |
| 02:09 |
* VanessaE |
falls over in shock |
| 02:14 |
VanessaE |
well anyway happy new year to all |
| 02:14 |
celeron55 |
wat. |
| 02:14 |
* VanessaE |
offers champagne |
| 02:14 |
hmmmm |
oh yeah new year's in about 3 hours |
| 02:21 |
VanessaE |
yup, and husband and I are going to get drunk as skunks :-) |
| 02:21 |
hmmmm |
oh wait |
| 02:21 |
hmmmm |
kharl is back |
| 02:21 |
celeron55 |
it's already 4AM here, have been fighting with setting up a working D compiler on windows that can interoperate with GCC |
| 02:22 |
hmmmm |
actually back, or dropping in? |
| 02:22 |
celeron55 |
managed to do that with GDC finally |
| 02:22 |
hmmmm |
D is too little, too late |
| 02:22 |
hmmmm |
as a language i'd have to argue it's ineffective |
| 02:22 |
celeron55 |
hmmmm: looks more like "kahrl is too drunk to remember he was going to never come back" |
| 02:22 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 02:23 |
hmmmm |
heh |
| 02:24 |
hmmmm |
was there a reason why he was never coming back? |
| 02:24 |
hmmmm |
did you two get in an argument or something |
| 02:24 |
celeron55 |
dunno if it's ineffective, but these goddamn tools for it are either straight from the 90s or have no support or binary packages for windows whatsoever |
| 02:24 |
celeron55 |
hmmmm: kahrl disappeared for no apparent reason |
| 02:24 |
celeron55 |
somewhat gradually |
| 02:24 |
hmmmm |
meh whatever |
| 02:25 |
hmmmm |
i should probably be coding right now |
| 02:25 |
celeron55 |
i'm yet to hear what this is about |
| 02:25 |
VanessaE |
hmmmm: naw, see at this point (given your apparent time of day) you're supposed to be veging out in front of the TV (or live stream) and waiting for the ball to drop. duh. |
| 02:27 |
hmmmm |
eh |
| 02:27 |
hmmmm |
watching a ball drop is pretty dumb |
| 02:27 |
hmmmm |
time ticks on |
| 02:28 |
hmmmm |
i had the opportunity to go to NYC to watch it with some friends actually, i declined because i have better things to do |
| 02:30 |
VanessaE |
well you were right to decline, if the noise you see on TV every year is any indication.. I wouldn't wanna be there anyway. I'm content to just watch via stream. |
| 02:33 |
hmmmm |
so how 'bout that EFNet parsing bug |
| 02:33 |
hmmmm |
CAPAB \r\n |
| 02:33 |
VanessaE |
EFNet? people still use that? :) |
| 02:34 |
hmmmm |
of course |
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| 03:26 |
* kahrl |
wanders back in a slightly less intoxicated state |
| 03:30 |
* VanessaE |
hands kahrl a plate of cheese sandwiches and champagne (depending on whether the intoxication shall be further dampened, or restored ;-) |
| 03:33 |
* kahrl |
takes the sandwiches. No more champagne in a while, please :) |
| 03:35 |
VanessaE |
well I |
| 03:36 |
VanessaE |
..I'll be popping the cork soon, and plan to get thoroughly smashed :-) |
| 03:37 |
kahrl |
Today is a great opportunity, have fun :) |
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| 03:38 |
VanessaE |
I plan on it |
| 03:38 |
kaeza |
back |
| 03:38 |
kaeza |
what did I miss? |
| 03:39 |
kahrl |
celeron quit minetest |
| 03:39 |
VanessaE |
two new MT releases, c55 ... HAH! |
| 03:39 |
kaeza |
wat |
| 03:39 |
kaeza |
hi kahrl |
| 03:39 |
kahrl |
hi kaeza |
| 03:39 |
kaeza |
nice to meet you finally |
| 03:40 |
kahrl |
nice to meet you as well :) |
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| 03:55 |
iqualfragile |
ühm… who the fuck is kahrl? |
| 03:57 |
hmmmm |
if you have to ask, you'll never know |
| 03:57 |
iqualfragile |
:D |
| 03:57 |
* kahrl |
just a drunken half-orc hobo |
| 03:57 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 03:57 |
iqualfragile |
joa, der film war nicht schlecht,w as? |
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| 05:27 |
* hmmmm |
puts on his party hat |
| 05:28 |
* VanessaE |
is quite sufficiently drunk now :D |
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* hmmmm |
isn't |
| 05:28 |
VanessaE |
*hic* P A R T...why? because I gotta! *hic* |
| 05:28 |
VanessaE |
(actually I'm quite comfortable, just trying to be funny) |
| 05:29 |
kaeza |
yeah right |
| 05:30 |
* kaeza |
thinks VanessaE is strawberry woman |
| 05:30 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 05:32 |
VanessaE |
any second now c55 is gonna show up and kick my ass out for being too drunk to stay on topic :DDDDDDD |
| 05:34 |
kaeza |
lolol |
| 05:34 |
kaeza |
maybe he's too drun now to use the computer :P |
| 05:34 |
kaeza |
drunk* |
| 05:36 |
VanessaE |
lol |
| 05:37 |
kaeza |
*russians* |
| 05:37 |
kaeza |
lol J/K |
| 05:37 |
kaeza |
(no offense of course) |
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| 10:09 |
thexyz |
umm, kahrl, are you real? |
| 10:12 |
celeron55 |
most likely not |
| 10:14 |
celeron55 |
it's the same ISP though |
| 10:14 |
celeron55 |
as a year ago |
| 10:15 |
celeron55 |
but it's a huge german ISP; see SpeedProg just a moment ago - it's the same one |
| 10:18 |
thexyz |
celeron55: was he registered at freenode? |
| 10:19 |
celeron55 |
i don't know |
| 10:20 |
Calinou |
* [kahrl] is logged in as kahrl |
| 10:21 |
thexyz |
yeah, and (14:16:30) NickServ: (notice) Registered : May 09 22:16:43 2011 (1 year, 33 weeks, 6 days, 12:01:18 ago) |
| 10:21 |
Calinou |
he's also in #mcdevs |
| 10:21 |
Calinou |
minecraft channel... |
| 10:21 |
celeron55 |
in that case it's probably kahrl |
| 10:22 |
celeron55 |
because kahrl has made some minecraft tools |
| 10:23 |
celeron55 |
or alternatively kahrl is dead and that is somebody trolling using his client with autoconnected channels and automatic identification to freenode |
| 10:24 |
celeron55 |
which sounds unlikely |
| 10:24 |
Calinou |
what if he enabled autologin on his computer, or got his password since his HD was unencrypted? :P |
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| 18:35 |
thexyz |
celeron55: what's the purpose of minetest_game, what mods/items should it have? |
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| 18:47 |
celeron55 |
thexyz: that is a good question, to which i don't have other answer than it should take some distinct direction |
| 18:47 |
celeron55 |
so that it would be a good game without mods, and without copying all content from minecraft |
| 18:48 |
thexyz |
ATM the question is: should there be flowers and should there be colored cotton blocks |
| 18:48 |
celeron55 |
we'd probably need a minetest_game team who's job would be that, and who could design it without being overly democratic (=boring) |
| 18:49 |
thexyz |
sure |
| 18:49 |
celeron55 |
cotton? why? what is the difference to wool? |
| 18:49 |
thexyz |
we have nothing to craft/get wool from |
| 18:50 |
thexyz |
and cotton can be crafted from cotton plant |
| 18:50 |
celeron55 |
just make wool from plants, it's functionally the same 8) |
| 18:50 |
celeron55 |
one important task of the minetest_game team would be to figure out how to implement mobs and get engine people to fix things needed for it |
| 18:50 |
thexyz |
so, rename it to "cotton"? or rename cotton plant to "wool plant" (should be some carnivorous plant) |
| 18:51 |
celeron55 |
eh, rename? of course not |
| 18:51 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4248 |
| 18:51 |
* darkrose |
likes the carnivorous plant idea |
| 18:52 |
VanessaE |
this is the proposed wya to make wool now. |
| 18:52 |
VanessaE |
way* |
| 18:52 |
thexyz |
and proposed way is to make wool from leaves |
| 18:52 |
celeron55 |
i guess the wool plant is the least bad |
| 18:52 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: jordach tried that one. the result was... strange. |
| 18:52 |
celeron55 |
how about adding the farming mod, and including a wool plant to it |
| 18:52 |
VanessaE |
once* |
| 18:53 |
VanessaE |
farming is fine by me, but a "wool plant" is just horrible. |
| 18:53 |
thexyz |
just like >Wool Weaver |
| 18:53 |
celeron55 |
everything is horrible except having some animals to get it from |
| 18:54 |
VanessaE |
of course. But in the absence of animals, the least horrible method should probably prevail :) |
| 18:54 |
celeron55 |
why not add animals, then? |
| 18:54 |
VanessaE |
do we have decent animals to add that won't choke the server? |
| 18:55 |
celeron55 |
just something along the lines of the 0.3 rat |
| 18:55 |
thexyz |
(having cotton blocks is good idea, IMO) |
| 18:55 |
celeron55 |
why is having two blocks doing the exact same thing a good idea? |
| 18:55 |
celeron55 |
how does cotton differ from wool? |
| 18:57 |
thexyz |
only name differs, and cotton can be crafted from cotton plant, unlike wool |
| 18:57 |
VanessaE |
well, |
| 18:58 |
celeron55 |
change the description of the wool block to "wool/cotton" |
| 18:58 |
celeron55 |
done. |
| 18:58 |
thexyz |
sure; btw, why was wool added to minetest_game? |
| 18:58 |
celeron55 |
because the native game needed some coloured blocks |
| 18:59 |
* serengeor |
is back (gone 00:01:10) |
| 18:59 |
celeron55 |
(native? ehm... vanilla, whatever) |
| 18:59 |
thexyz |
but players can't craft it |
| 18:59 |
celeron55 |
they can use it in creative mode, which was good enough for the time |
| 19:00 |
Exio |
the bad thing 'at this moment' of minetest, for me, is only the survival behavior |
| 19:00 |
* serengeor |
is away: I'm busy |
| 19:01 |
celeron55 |
Exio: ? |
| 19:01 |
celeron55 |
serengeor: kill those away messages, now |
| 19:01 |
Exio |
celeron55: the game is good for creative |
| 19:01 |
thexyz |
or c55 will kill you, serengeor |
| 19:01 |
celeron55 |
Exio: i know, and it is painful |
| 19:01 |
Exio |
but in survival, you need to install a lot of mods for having a 'small gameplay' |
| 19:01 |
Exio |
yep :P |
| 19:01 |
celeron55 |
we have a huge number of people who just play around in creative and hate everything remotely survival |
| 19:02 |
celeron55 |
and it's bad |
| 19:02 |
Exio |
i love survival *and creative* |
| 19:02 |
* celeron55 |
points at people |
| 19:02 |
serengeor |
aww, I was just testing ;[ |
| 19:02 |
Exio |
poor people :P |
| 19:03 |
Exio |
maybe some 'very basic farming mod' could be nice |
| 19:04 |
Exio |
and btw, isn't the "minimal game" a bit outdated in the mese/others updates? |
| 19:05 |
celeron55 |
it isn't supposed to be played |
| 19:05 |
Exio |
minimal game in the main repo* |
| 19:05 |
darkrose |
no, it's still minimal |
| 19:05 |
celeron55 |
it exists for development testing without the dependency to the correct minetest_game version |
| 19:05 |
Exio |
well :P |
| 19:05 |
celeron55 |
try git bisect without the minimal game' |
| 19:05 |
celeron55 |
-'ä |
| 19:05 |
celeron55 |
-' |
| 19:05 |
celeron55 |
-'+- |
| 19:06 |
PilzAdam |
VanessaE, the poll you were pointing at before isnt good, because there are no options like "farming" or something like this |
| 19:06 |
celeron55 |
... |
| 19:06 |
celeron55 |
^ you'll die if you try that |
| 19:07 |
VanessaE |
PilzAdam: yeah I know, but I didn't make the poll this time :) |
| 19:11 |
celeron55 |
i guess i need to allocate a few hours some day in the near future to add back the mobs |
| 19:13 |
celeron55 |
if somebody gets upset because of any aspect of them, i count it as a good thing |
| 19:13 |
celeron55 |
so hold the wool workarounds until next week |
| 19:15 |
Exio |
hostile mobs too? |
| 19:15 |
celeron55 |
of course |
| 19:17 |
Exio |
if you add them back, they should use 3d models |
| 19:17 |
Exio |
but, what models? |
| 19:18 |
celeron55 |
they definitely will not |
| 19:18 |
celeron55 |
except after somebody in some distant future cares to do that |
| 19:18 |
celeron55 |
people are expecting way too much from everything all the time here; it kills all creativity |
| 19:19 |
celeron55 |
stop it |
| 19:52 |
RealBadAngel |
hi all |
| 19:53 |
RealBadAngel |
celeron55, could you merge this? https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/pull/378 |
| 20:20 |
RealBadAngel |
thexyz, or you? |
| 20:21 |
celeron55 |
it will just make the world more boring without real reason |
| 20:21 |
celeron55 |
"Allow placin blobs of mud and gravel only below water level." |
| 20:21 |
celeron55 |
yeah, real fun; as if there weren't caves in mountains |
| 20:21 |
celeron55 |
or mountains (well, hills) at all |
| 20:21 |
RealBadAngel |
it will not be placin blobs on the trees |
| 20:22 |
RealBadAngel |
which actual cavegen loves to do |
| 20:22 |
celeron55 |
and it will disallow the generator to make certain kinds of surface formations that it made before and to which the interestingness of mapgenv6 is half based on |
| 20:22 |
thexyz |
- s16 route_y_max = -of.Y + stone_surface_max_y + max_tunnel_diameter/2 + 7; |
| 20:22 |
thexyz |
+ s16 route_y_max = -of.Y + stone_surface_max_y; |
| 20:22 |
thexyz |
^ explain |
| 20:22 |
RealBadAngel |
sure, it will not allow makin caves over ground |
| 20:23 |
RealBadAngel |
and makin holes in all the trees around |
| 20:23 |
celeron55 |
it does more harm than good |
| 20:23 |
RealBadAngel |
not really, just replace air with mese in cave gen and see what it does atm |
| 20:24 |
RealBadAngel |
dozens of caves floatin in the air, destroyin everythin |
| 20:24 |
celeron55 |
it |
| 20:24 |
celeron55 |
it's intentional, because the generator has to be able to make caves in all kinds of high land formations too |
| 20:24 |
RealBadAngel |
so it still does |
| 20:24 |
RealBadAngel |
but not ABOVE ground |
| 20:25 |
celeron55 |
no it won't; it cuts a cave before it gets to really do much at all |
| 20:25 |
celeron55 |
it's not like the caves would perfectly rise from a perfect location and so |
| 20:25 |
RealBadAngel |
i dare to say youre just wrong. just test the changes |
| 20:29 |
celeron55 |
you're just plain going against the design of the generator; it's like you removed the tires from a car because you can drive too fast with them |
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| 20:30 |
RealBadAngel |
im not against anythin, but cave gen is just broken, thats all |
| 20:35 |
RealBadAngel |
those changes are just small fixes not any kind of revolution |
| 20:41 |
RealBadAngel |
if everythin here was intentional, please explain this: http://realbadangel.pl/caves.png |
| 20:41 |
RealBadAngel |
notice caves over clouds... |
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| 21:12 |
VanessaE |
seems to me the proper solution would be for the cave generator to be the first thing to run right after the terrain is added (before ores, trees, etc) |
| 21:12 |
VanessaE |
I guess that's not happening now, hence RBA's attempt to workaround it |
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| 21:30 |
RealBadAngel |
changin order wont fix anythin, caves still will be flyin all around |
| 21:37 |
iqualfragile |
@minetest_game-team: in my opinion its a good idea to have someone care about the game as game (as in GAME wich should be challenging and fun and not as in technical challenge) |
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| 21:39 |
iqualfragile |
@wool: on my server im using PilzAdams farming (wich contains cotton-plants) as well as sapiers animals, both work quite well, alltrought i had to heavily restrict modframework and decrease the growing-speed of farming as it was just too fast |
| 21:59 |
RealBadAngel |
celeron55, please take a look on how caves are formed with those changes. http://pastebin.com/KmNX62aB i made some screenshots on newly generated world |
| 22:13 |
iqualfragile |
celeron56 wtf? |
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| 22:20 |
hmmmm |
[03:24 PM] <celeron55> it's intentional, because the generator has to be able to make caves in all kinds of high land formations too |
| 22:20 |
hmmmm |
you do realize that high plateaus wouldn't have caves in them anyway since stone_surface_max_y is always 0 |
| 22:21 |
hmmmm |
er |
| 22:21 |
hmmmm |
wait a minute, i don't get the logic of that line of code at all |
| 22:21 |
hmmmm |
why '-of.Y' |
| 22:22 |
hmmmm |
why are you adding the stone surface max in the first place |
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RealBadAngel |
celeron55, ive closed that cave gen related pull request |
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