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darkrose |
celeron55: can't login to the dev wiki so here's a proposal for improving formspec: http://stuff.ltmnet.com/stuff/mt_formspec_proposal.txt |
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| 10:11 |
celeron55 |
darkrose: looks good, just make sure it scales reasonably like all the inventory stuff does, and probably add an "image_button" element too |
| 10:12 |
darkrose |
right, sounds useful |
| 10:53 |
darkrose |
celeron55: made some changes mostly just 'use inventory slot sizes for dimension units': http://stuff.ltmnet.com/stuff/mt_formspec_proposal.txt |
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| 11:08 |
celeron55 |
i have created a... thing |
| 11:08 |
celeron55 |
+- set_inventory_formspec(formspec) |
| 11:08 |
celeron55 |
+ ^ Redefine player's inventory form |
| 11:08 |
celeron55 |
+ ^ Should usually be called in on_joinplayer |
| 11:08 |
celeron55 |
+- get_inventory_formspec() -> formspec string |
| 11:08 |
celeron55 |
8) |
| 11:11 |
celeron55 |
https://github.com/celeron55/minetest/commit/16ad10e62f4dcf620f9a962b07aa39f1c561f8dc |
| 11:11 |
sfan5 |
:D |
| 11:14 |
celeron55 |
the player's inventory doesn't have the inventory callbacks anywhere though |
| 11:16 |
darkrose |
you'd need the equivelent of inv:set_size() for the player too, if the inventory size can be changed |
| 11:20 |
darkrose |
well, just PlayerObjRef:get_inventory() |
| 11:20 |
darkrose |
uh... already there, ignore me |
| 11:22 |
celeron55 |
or, more generally, formspec callbacks |
| 11:22 |
celeron55 |
or, actually, inventory and formspec callbacks |
| 11:22 |
celeron55 |
they kind of are and kind of are not the same thing |
| 11:24 |
celeron55 |
i don't think the player's inventory needs inventory callbacks, because any inventory the player interacts with has them |
| 11:24 |
celeron55 |
but there must be on_receive_fields |
| 11:25 |
celeron55 |
that would be function(player, formname, fields, sender) i guess |
| 11:26 |
celeron55 |
ehm... |
| 11:26 |
celeron55 |
register_player_on_receive_fields |
| 11:29 |
celeron55 |
i'll whip that up too |
| 11:30 |
celeron55 |
or actually, no |
| 11:31 |
celeron55 |
we will wait until you have implemented your proposal and then see how to do it |
| 11:32 |
celeron55 |
or you can do it while at it |
| 11:33 |
celeron55 |
(if so, call it register_on_player_receive_fields; that is most consistent with existing things) |
| 11:34 |
darkrose |
ok, I'll see how I go |
| 12:26 |
celeron55 |
hmm, there should be a label element too |
| 12:27 |
darkrose |
field without a name gives a label |
| 12:28 |
darkrose |
field[;some label text;] |
| 12:28 |
celeron55 |
that's unintuitive |
| 12:28 |
celeron55 |
if there was just label[], everybody could just guess it without even looking at anything 8) |
| 12:29 |
darkrose |
can add that easy enough |
| 13:34 |
celeron55 |
i think i should add a "Minetest-related projects" section on the forum |
| 13:34 |
celeron55 |
it really lacks such a one, and there are things like mod repositories and whatever tools that could go there |
| 13:39 |
darkrose |
sounds good, would make those projects a bit more noticable |
| 13:52 |
celeron55 |
http://minetest.net/forum/viewforum.php?id=14 |
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| 14:56 |
spectator |
hello |
| 14:58 |
sfan5 |
hello |
| 14:59 |
celeron55 |
state your business. |
| 14:59 |
spectator |
i thought that minetest-delta is for "serious stuff" (engine dev.). why did c55 make another channel for "serious stuff"? |
| 15:00 |
celeron55 |
to not contain chit-chat like this |
| 15:01 |
sfan5 |
:D |
| 15:03 |
spectator |
too much people who did not do dev-t came to that channel so you created another one for devs only? |
| 15:04 |
celeron55 |
that and this |
| 15:04 |
spectator |
is there a logging thing like at logs.2pktfkt.de for delta channel so i could gtfo and read discussion? |
| 15:05 |
celeron55 |
you have failed to read the topic |
| 15:06 |
spectator |
ok moving to shit-channel, aka delta |
| 15:10 |
celeron55 |
i don't consider delta to be shit; there just is need for channels of two grades of activity - i read this channel even when i am taking a break from Minetest, and keep it as such that i can do that </end of topic> |
| 15:10 |
celeron55 |
s/end of // |
| 16:03 |
GTRsdk |
celeron55: I saw the support minetest page... Do you accept things like bitcoin, litecoin, or solidcoin? |
| 16:09 |
celeron55 |
no |
| 16:10 |
celeron55 |
it wouldn't be worth the hassle, i get so little donations anyway |
| 16:10 |
celeron55 |
and don't use any of those for anything else |
| 16:10 |
GTRsdk |
oh okay |
| 16:11 |
celeron55 |
you could ask darkrose or some other contributor if they have use for those 8) |
| 16:11 |
GTRsdk |
Could I still get the 2 maps then? |
| 16:12 |
celeron55 |
hmm, do you mean the old currently unused page where i offered the first public server maps for paypal money? |
| 16:13 |
sfan5 |
why does 'sed -e "s/\n/,/"' not work? :/ |
| 16:13 |
celeron55 |
because sed is line-oriented 8) (i think you can do that in some way, google it) |
| 16:15 |
celeron55 |
the page seems to still be available but there is just no link to it... better write a notice |
| 16:15 |
jordach |
oh, id like to see the maps too |
| 16:16 |
celeron55 |
the page that is talked about is this http://minetest.net/buy |
| 16:17 |
sfan5 |
i'll just use "tr '\n' ','" |
| 16:17 |
jordach |
celeron55, do you accept in amazon gift cards? |
| 16:18 |
GTRsdk |
celeron55: so those two maps are already available? |
| 16:21 |
sfan5 |
jordach: i don't think he does |
| 16:21 |
celeron55 |
i do have them around, but they don't work on current 0.4 |
| 16:22 |
jordach |
oh, thats alright |
| 16:34 |
darkrose |
over-complicating a sign with formspec: http://stuff.ltmnet.com/images/mt/formspec.png |
| 16:38 |
celeron55 |
if somebody buys them, i can fix them and sell them; i won't give them broken or for free 8) |
| 16:39 |
celeron55 |
just for the sake of it (i don't intend to get rich selling them, it's just interesting to force some value on historic things) |
| 16:41 |
celeron55 |
darkrose: make sure to make positioning work with floating-point values too, like it works for existing stuff too |
| 16:41 |
darkrose |
should do, haven't tested that yet though |
| 16:45 |
celeron55 |
jordach: i guess i could |
| 16:46 |
jordach |
i managed to scrape a $5 card |
| 16:57 |
VanessaE |
good $PART_OF_DAY all. |
| 17:08 |
celeron55 |
update: i just updated them just for the sake of me wanting to look them myself |
| 17:10 |
jordach |
^ curiosity can be quite interesting |
| 17:13 |
celeron55 |
i updated http://minetest.net/buy a bit |
| 17:16 |
darkrose |
no more cats :( |
| 17:17 |
celeron55 |
nobody wants them anyway, based on the evidence |
| 17:23 |
celeron55 |
http://minetest.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2206 |
| 17:24 |
celeron55 |
i like that |
| 17:25 |
VanessaE |
Do. Not. want. :-) |
| 17:25 |
celeron55 |
seems like a much snappier way than throwing an enormous pile of items in the world |
| 17:25 |
celeron55 |
like minecraft does it |
| 17:26 |
celeron55 |
also discourages griefing |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
I suppose so. Of course, I |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
I'm not too much a fan of PvP anyway, so.. |
| 17:26 |
celeron55 |
you're a creative mode player |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
actually no |
| 17:26 |
VanessaE |
I play in survival mode |
| 17:27 |
celeron55 |
but you don't play any real survival, you use survival mode only because the current creative mode sucks |
| 17:27 |
VanessaE |
I just feel like PvP adds a bit of a negative |
| 17:27 |
jordach |
hold on. chit-chat in minetest-dev? |
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| 17:29 |
MiJyn |
* celeron55 has kicked celeron55 from #minetest-dev (celeron55) |
| 17:29 |
jordach |
if we are going to talk about mods, best we keep that to the modding channel, or at least delta |
| 17:29 |
MiJyn |
Why? |
| 17:30 |
VanessaE |
*sigh* I'm trying to stick to the subject of the channel. |
| 17:30 |
celeron55 |
the one in the role of VanessaE will be kicked next time, and then the one in the role of jordach |
| 17:31 |
MiJyn |
celeron55, can I get this straight? #minetest is for general discussions, #minetest-mods is for modding discussions, #minetest-delta is for ...?, and #minetest-dev is for development. Am I correct? |
| 17:32 |
MiJyn |
and I'm sorry for posting it here |
| 17:32 |
MiJyn |
but this is the title: "Consider this instead of /msg celeron55", so that's why I asked that here |
| 17:33 |
celeron55 |
minetest-delta is for any development, and minetest-dev is for those who co-work with me to develop |
| 17:33 |
celeron55 |
the purpose of this channel is to allow me to stay around for necessary things even when i am taking a break |
| 17:33 |
celeron55 |
now i will kick anyone who talks about crap like this |
| 17:33 |
celeron55 |
--- |
| 17:34 |
celeron55 |
darkrose can talk next, because he is the only doing anything useful at the moment |
| 17:34 |
MiJyn |
ah, I see |
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| 17:34 |
celeron55 |
i am SERIOUS. |
| 17:34 |
MiJyn |
thanks for explaining :) |
| 17:34 |
celeron55 |
you come back, and talk? |
| 17:35 |
celeron55 |
please part. |
| 17:35 |
sfan5 |
or you kick him? |
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| 17:36 |
celeron55 |
actually |
| 17:36 |
celeron55 |
MiJyn does nothing useful, so i can |
| 17:36 |
celeron55 |
well, i won't now, but i will next time |
| 17:37 |
celeron55 |
i need to not be a pussy but rather just kickban everybody who is useless; you can read the log anyway so you have no reason to be here if you can't stop talking |
| 17:37 |
celeron55 |
now i will go do other things, and i trust that there is no useless talk in here for me to read when i come back |
| 17:53 |
MiJyn |
celeron55, I think that the reason why people talk here is because you are not on the other channels (therefore the only way to contact you is here or by /msg'ing you, which you wanted #minetest-dev to replace) |
| 17:53 |
MiJyn |
that is actually precisely and accurately the reason why I talk to you here |
| 18:04 |
celeron55 |
i do not want any people to talk to me except for important things |
| 18:04 |
celeron55 |
if i do not ruthlessly ban people out from here, i bet this will become just as what -delta is |
| 18:04 |
celeron55 |
thus i will |
| 18:04 |
celeron55 |
i'll rather be here with only myself and darkrose than have this be -delta |
| 18:05 |
celeron55 |
(i realized that once i parted the last time; i will never part again, and rather ban people) |
| 18:06 |
celeron55 |
otherwise i would need to go on an on to a new channel because talkative people will follow me and annoy me to hell |
| 18:07 |
celeron55 |
you are allowed to talk as many lines on this channel as you contribute code that goes to upstream |
| 18:07 |
jordach |
can i raise a question? |
| 18:07 |
celeron55 |
also one bug report is one line |
| 18:08 |
celeron55 |
jordach: it better be important |
| 18:08 |
jordach |
forks |
| 18:08 |
celeron55 |
that is not a question |
| 18:09 |
jordach |
what if, we have a fork, that contains minor fixes and optimizations? |
| 18:09 |
sfan5 |
you make a pull request / patch then |
| 18:10 |
jordach |
ah |
| 18:11 |
celeron55 |
if one makes useful core stuff, one should most likely announce it here |
| 18:11 |
VanessaE |
Well that gives me either ~10 or 710 lines. |
| 18:12 |
jordach |
ok, thanks for clearing this up. |
| 18:13 |
celeron55 |
this channel is quite solely for _talking about code_ |
| 18:13 |
sfan5 |
did anyone update the mapgen.py? |
| 18:14 |
celeron55 |
it should be removed |
| 18:15 |
celeron55 |
eh, which means i'll remove it now; people just get confused about it |
| 18:19 |
celeron55 |
does somebody want to try to maintain their master branch in such a way that it can (at least in theory) be considered the "next version" when i am not available to update my repository? |
| 18:20 |
jordach |
darkroses branch should be this |
| 18:21 |
celeron55 |
i am thinking of darkrose, but i will not force anyone to do it; it involves keeping an eye on bugfixes and implemented things that have been previously planned, checking their quality and taking them in if they are good |
| 18:22 |
VanessaE |
If I had to pick one person, it'd be darkrose also. |
| 18:22 |
celeron55 |
it does not require making packages or communicating with anyone, or anything else; only 1) checking quality and relevance of code made by everybody and 2) piling it up in the repo |
| 18:24 |
celeron55 |
and if in doubt, doing nothing |
| 18:24 |
darkrose |
I can do it, nothing is my specialty! |
| 18:25 |
sfan5 |
how recent are your nightly builds, celeron? |
| 18:25 |
celeron55 |
check the last modified dates |
| 18:27 |
sfan5 |
... |
| 18:27 |
sfan5 |
pretty recent |
| 18:29 |
sfan5 |
i would remove the "no sounds" on http://minetest.net/index.php |
| 18:29 |
sfan5 |
and "some kind of modding support" |
| 18:29 |
sfan5 |
0.4 is not stable |
| 18:29 |
celeron55 |
i will update it at the exact same moment when i upload 0.4.0 somewhere |
| 18:29 |
sfan5 |
ok |
| 18:50 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: re: code that makes it upstream, while I assume you were exaggerating slightly, how is one to know if their contribution will actually make it? And does "code" include LUA mods that are intended (likelyhood aside) to become part of the game's default mod? |
| 19:06 |
darkrose |
celeron55: player_on_receive_fields is done, though completely untested at the moment |
| 19:07 |
celeron55 |
VanessaE: there are no good answers to either of those; people should use their brains |
| 19:09 |
celeron55 |
VanessaE: a completely different thing: you should probably encourage people to not use the full colour range of the dye mod, because the amount of nodes resulting from the full color range is so huge |
| 19:09 |
VanessaE |
celeron55: I agree. |
| 19:10 |
celeron55 |
i don't know how to exactly do that, but anyway |
| 19:10 |
VanessaE |
my intent wasn't to have hundreds of new nodes as a result if it either |
| 19:10 |
VanessaE |
I figured folks would just choose a dozen or so colors most useful to them |
| 19:11 |
darkrose |
hah! |
| 19:11 |
VanessaE |
(says the lady who took the same route re: colored woods ;-) ) |
| 19:11 |
* VanessaE |
adds an appropriate note. |
| 19:13 |
celeron55 |
can you shortly explain how the mod template adds the color to the texture? |
| 19:13 |
celeron55 |
like, what are the inputs and how the output forms based on them |
| 19:13 |
VanessaE |
it generates a shitload of new nodes, one for each color. |
| 19:14 |
celeron55 |
i know that, but i need enough information to consider how it'd look as a dynamic thing in the engine |
| 19:14 |
VanessaE |
ahh |
| 19:15 |
VanessaE |
Well the template is supposed to be something you copy and edit to create a new mod. Inputs include the name of the mod you want it to become and a human-readable description of the block type it creates, a few attributes like walkability, sounds, groups, and light propagation, and crafting yield. |
| 19:16 |
VanessaE |
It creates one node for each color in the palette, based on the tables of colors, using simple loops. Associated with each node is one crafting recipe that takes the node you listed as "neutral" and one colored dye as inputs. |
| 19:16 |
VanessaE |
I'd be a bit more detailed, but that's kinda the extent of it :-) |
| 19:17 |
celeron55 |
how does the image transformation to a given color work? |
| 19:17 |
VanessaE |
OH |
| 19:18 |
VanessaE |
gentextures.sh: it uses imagemagick to convert a single source image (and an overlay if supplied) into multiple shades by just adjusting the brightness and tint of the source and saving the result as a new file. |
| 19:18 |
VanessaE |
uses a somewhat abridged HSV color model |
| 19:19 |
VanessaE |
though I'm not entirely convinced I got the math right. |
| 19:19 |
VanessaE |
the idea is that you either create your colors manually or use gentextures.sh to auto-generate them and then delete what you don't want |
| 19:19 |
VanessaE |
then do the same in the template mod |
| 19:20 |
VanessaE |
then just combine the textures with the edited template like with any other mod |
| 19:22 |
celeron55 |
to everyone and the log: we are talking about this: https://github.com/VanessaE/modtemplate |
| 19:22 |
VanessaE |
come to think of it, "you shouldn't need to edit anything below this point" should be removed (I made the template before I'd completely settled on how I wanted the whole system to work) |
| 19:25 |
VanessaE |
change commited. |
| 19:26 |
celeron55 |
so basically a hue-rotated and brightness-adjusted base image and an unmodified overlay on it |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
yup |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
exactly that |
| 19:27 |
VanessaE |
I figured, in practice, if they use the whole palette, that's what they'll end up with anyway |
| 19:28 |
VanessaE |
and if not, they'll either trim out what they don't want from gentextures/template, or do it all from scratch as usual |
| 19:29 |
celeron55 |
i think i will need to see what kind of stuff that people do with it look reasonable and continue only after i can come to a conclusion based on that |
| 19:29 |
VanessaE |
oh sure |
| 19:30 |
celeron55 |
if people can make good results with such fixed-pipeline templating, i'll throw it in the engine, because there is no reason not to |
| 19:30 |
celeron55 |
if not, then i don't know; we'll see |
| 19:31 |
VanessaE |
mods I know of so far are my coloredwoods/fence/sticks (all following the standard crafting model), jordach's cotton mod, workflow's paint-on-canvas mod, another person did colored cobble (6 shades at present), |
| 19:31 |
VanessaE |
homedecor uses about 10 shades, but I need to rewrite it to use the new model |
| 19:31 |
VanessaE |
I'm forgetting one, I'm sure of it. |
| 19:33 |
VanessaE |
bas080 was working on a cotton mod similar to jordach's, not sure how far along that got |
| 19:35 |
celeron55 |
all of those look quite awful |
| 19:35 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 19:35 |
VanessaE |
OH, unifiedbricks by cornernote, that was the other one |
| 19:37 |
VanessaE |
I suppose "look quite awful" refers to the textures, and yeah most of them need improvement |
| 19:38 |
celeron55 |
the rotated hue lacks all naturality |
| 19:38 |
VanessaE |
true, but then again the whole game isn't exactly "natural" either |
| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
somewhere around here....where the heck is it |
| 19:39 |
celeron55 |
something like having a translucent tint color in the overlay could make interesting results, if used skillfully; also everybody seems to start from a too saturated base color |
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| 19:39 |
VanessaE |
I could do that |
| 19:40 |
VanessaE |
in fact, |
| 19:41 |
VanessaE |
I could just adjusting the wording and add a commandline switch: -t tiny overlay |
| 19:41 |
VanessaE |
which would swap the functions of the overlay and base image |
| 19:41 |
VanessaE |
unless you figure it needs a third layer? |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
there it is! |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
http://i.imgur.com/0U8YA.png |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
unifiedbricks, with my textures instead. |
| 19:42 |
VanessaE |
(I think cornernote was using the 64px size to make this) |
| 19:43 |
VanessaE |
the original brick color used elsewhere, for reference, is roughly the same as the item in the first column, the third row, far left (full red, 50% saturation) |
| 19:44 |
VanessaE |
-"far left". |
| 19:45 |
VanessaE |
above: s/tiny/tint/ |
| 19:46 |
celeron55 |
you didn't quite understand what i said |
| 19:47 |
VanessaE |
I suppose not |
| 19:47 |
celeron55 |
i mean, make the overlay have a translucent color so that it will mix with the base |
| 19:47 |
VanessaE |
OH! |
| 19:47 |
celeron55 |
a static one |
| 19:47 |
celeron55 |
that way you don't have a perfect color wheel |
| 19:47 |
VanessaE |
that should work as-is in fact |
| 19:47 |
celeron55 |
s/the overlay/an overlay/ |
| 19:48 |
celeron55 |
i'm just trying to think what could make reasonable looking stuff with gentextures.sh |
| 19:48 |
celeron55 |
the current stuff isn't satisfactory at all |
| 19:48 |
VanessaE |
it depends on your creative style to be honesty |
| 19:48 |
VanessaE |
honest* |
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| 21:41 |
VanessaE |
celeron55_: I've pushed some changes to the gentextures script that should fit with what you were suggesting. |
| 21:42 |
VanessaE |
(at least, the result of the script seems to anyway) |
| 21:43 |
celeron55_ |
ehm |
| 21:43 |
celeron55_ |
i don't think i suggested anything for the script |
| 21:43 |
VanessaE |
heh |
| 21:43 |
VanessaE |
well nit directly |
| 21:43 |
VanessaE |
not* |
| 21:43 |
VanessaE |
it mostly just clarifies the usage info, plus adds the mode I originally (incorrectly) thought you wanted. |
| 21:44 |
VanessaE |
either way it should be sufficient to cover mot use cases. I hope. :-) |
| 21:44 |
celeron55_ |
i can think of that being useful for some things albeit not actually adding any more possible things |
| 21:48 |
VanessaE |
most* |
| 22:16 |
VanessaE |
question: would you consider adding a feature to the furnace where it can be made to show if something is in the input or output slots? |
| 22:16 |
VanessaE |
(i.e. with a properly-drawn front texture) |
| 22:18 |
celeron55_ |
no. |
| 22:18 |
VanessaE |
ok. |
