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00:44 orbea sfan5: this helped a bit with the mob/sword issues, thanks :) https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/e774d8ca2fa5ead9f6d739a2031e6655a22a5b4d
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06:28 oil_boi_ I just found my midi keyboard :D Oh my god this will make music production so much easier
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07:37 oil_boi_ Is there a way to move particle spawners?
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08:01 oil_boi_ I have all these questions but the forum won't load :P
08:13 calcul0n_ afaik the only way to move a particle spawner is to give it a short life time and respawn it at different places
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08:20 oil_boi_ Ohhh okay! calcul0n_, does the particle spawner use opengl or is it calculated by the cpu?
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08:55 calcul0n_ hmm, no idea
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10:03 oil_boi_ calcul0n_: I think I got weather calculated in nicely, weight wise. The only thing I can't account for is the face that the particles seem to be cpu calculated in my testing :(
10:06 oil_boi_ But what's even more confusing is the fact that my rx580 is at 10% utilization and the cpu is at 38% maxed and the frame rate still goes down
10:08 oil_boi_ Also I found a pretty extreme bug, if you turn your renderer to d3d9 and then exit the game, come back in, and turn it back to opengl then enable shaders the rendering gets super messed up
10:09 oil_boi_ I suspect this https://i.imgur.com/uC3S3VA.png is because the renderer is not reinitialized when you change that setting
10:11 oil_boi_ But that might cause pretty severe memory leaks if not executed properly and this is a super specific case so it's not actually a problem :P
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11:08 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest_game: Fix respawn not working at all when suitable position was not found 8863527 https://git.io/Jvbwn (2020-04-04T11:06:40Z)
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11:38 oil_boi_ Whoa I think I just managed to make weather light weight :O
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12:15 texmex * runs to git pull oil_boi_’s latest commits *
12:15 oil_boi_ texmex: I think you're gonna love it
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12:20 oil_boi_ I wish I knew why the airbrush in gimp is turning white to red when I have gray selected :L
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12:37 calcul0n_ oil_boi_, maybe because your image is in indexed color mode?
12:38 calcul0n_ see the image menu -> mode
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13:52 oil_boi_ calcul0n: Yeah you were right, and it's all done now :D
13:54 MinetestBot [git] lnjX -> minetest/minetest: Fix 'the the' typos in comments (#9554) 307d737 https://git.io/Jvb6S (2020-04-04T13:52:41Z)
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14:01 oil_boi_ texmex: If you thought just the snow particles were good you're gonna flip out
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14:05 grey Hello
14:05 oil_boi_ Hi grey
14:06 grey I just though I would tell someone that the forum is down.
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14:09 grey I went to look up come information on installing on debian and I can't reach the forum.
14:14 oil_boi_ grey: The forum keeps going down :(
14:15 grey Well whoever runs it should reboot it.
14:15 DusXMT A bit of a conspiracy theory, perhaps OldCoder wants you to use his forum instead ;)
14:16 DusXMT (I mean, who else would DDOS Minetest, of all things?  Of course, I have no evidence, just a wild speculation)
14:16 oil_boi_ I have no idea who that is, but he might be in here right now
14:17 DusXMT oil_boi_: A person behind a fork of minetest, he even tried to register the minetest trademark, and hosts his own site with a copy of the forums
14:18 oil_boi_ If anything I thought Hackeridze would be DDOSing because he seems to have vanished :L
14:18 oil_boi_ Ooooooh, that's interesting
14:18 MinetestBot [git] pyrollo -> minetest/minetest: Fix cursor still visible after closing formspec while on HyperText (#… 86a0e99 https://git.io/Jvbin (2020-04-04T14:17:15Z)
14:20 grey I have this one way of installing minetest from git that uses a oneliner someone posted on the forum.
14:20 grey And I fucked up my minetest install somehow.
14:20 grey I need it baaaaaack.
14:20 grey ./minetest: error while loading shared libraries: libIrrlicht.so.1.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
14:21 oil_boi_ grey: https://github.com/minetest/minetest
14:21 oil_boi_ There's a Debian section :D
14:22 grey I knooww but that oneliner always grabbed and compiled the latest version from the git.
14:22 grey My fault for not copying it somewhere.
14:26 grey Anyway yeah forum is down.
14:26 grey Pls reboot.
14:26 grey Thank you for making minetest.
14:26 grey Have a nice day.
14:27 oil_boi_ texmex: https://youtu.be/w88BgvHJpRY now people can REALLY have fun with snow :D
14:27 oil_boi_ Snowman mob, maybe?
14:32 oil_boi_ I wonder if there's a hidden setting for making entities remove themself or die on collsion detection
14:41 grey Good video.
14:42 grey This snow looks good.
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14:44 grey Oh, this is your own minetest game.
14:44 grey I see.
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15:29 Copenhagen_Bram2 Is it possible to make minetest remember passwords for servers?
15:29 sfan5 not yet
15:30 Copenhagen_Bram2 Hmm. It's a pain in the butt pasting passwords into minetest from my password manager (and also my mistake for increasing my security at the cost of my convenience for a game that won't hurt me much if my accounts get hacked)
15:33 Copenhagen_Bram2 but then again, I was thinking, who knows what kind of secure thing someone might use minetest for
15:34 Copenhagen_Bram2 I heard there was a library of leaked government documents or something kept on a minecraft server
15:36 Krock use the same password (1234) for every server so you don't need to remember it
15:36 Copenhagen_Bram2 Suppose instead of passwords minetest servers could use some kind of asymmetric authentication?
15:36 DusXMT Also, copy-pasting passwords is a pretty bad idea in general, who's to say your clipboard isn't being inspected?
15:36 oil_boi_ Whoa you're right :O There's a Minecraft server with a library full of banned journalism
15:37 Copenhagen_Bram2 The keys could be saved in the client, requiring no passwords at all, and can optionally be encrypted with a password, backed up to a server (still encrypted), and maybe even generated/stored with a hardware device such as a trezor or a yubikey
15:38 swedneck oil_boi_: if you're thinking of the one i think you are, then that's really not true
15:38 oil_boi_ Aw :(
15:38 swedneck that server had like 10 books of copied text lol
15:38 swedneck the whole thing was just a big shitty advertisement
15:39 swedneck (also pretty weird idea since you could just distribute data via torrent over the tor network or something..)
15:39 Copenhagen_Bram2 I thought Tor wasn't good for bittorrent
15:39 Copenhagen_Bram2 Don't you mean onionshare?
15:40 oil_boi_ swedneck: I'm just going to keep pretending there's a Minecraft server in the CIA that they use to store all their files
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15:43 Copenhagen_Bram2 <swedneck> (also pretty weird idea since you could just distribute data via torrent over the tor network or something..)
15:43 Copenhagen_Bram2 probably because in countries where the stuff in the library is censored, Tor is banned. But Minecraft isn't. The idea is that to censor the Minecraft server, they'd have to ban Minecraft. I suppose they could just censor the domain where the uncensored library Minecraft server is hosted though.
15:44 swedneck how do you ban tor though?
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15:50 Copenhagen_Bram2 by blocking public entry nodes and throwing anyone caught using a bridge into a gulag
15:50 Copenhagen_Bram2 or by being north korea
15:52 swedneck don't think they're gonna care about blocking minecraft :P
15:52 swedneck probably already blocked
15:52 Copenhagen_Bram2 yeah
15:53 Copenhagen_Bram2 time to smuggle USB drives with minetest on them into north korea
15:53 Copenhagen_Bram2 lol
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16:07 Krock Copenhagen_Bram2: just use IPoAC. effective and fast
16:09 Hawk777 Bandwidth’s decent, but the latency’s pretty awful.
16:11 Krock c55's VPS is overloaded again
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16:19 orbea can someone point me to where the different groups are documented? Like "attached_node" and "oddly_breakable_by_hand"
16:21 behalebabo engine groups are documented here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1589
16:21 Copenhagen_Bram2 Krock: is "fast" a local term for "ping latency of hours"?
16:22 orbea behalebabo: thanks, how about the numbers? What is the difference between flammable = 2 and flammable = 3?
16:23 orbea i see, higher = faster rate?
16:24 behalebabo orbea: the flammable group is mod-defined and used only by the fire mod in MTG IIRC, I don't think the rating matters to the MTG fire mod
16:25 orbea ah, so the rating is no-op sometimes, thanks :)
16:25 behalebabo yeah, there's some other places it's used but the rating does seem not to matter
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16:40 Copenhagen_Bram2 Why aren't there any good villager systems for minetest?
16:40 orbea what is the current best one?
16:40 Copenhagen_Bram2 When will procedurally generated houses be possible?
16:43 DusXMT Hmm, considering that there are trees, I wouldn't think it should be that difficult to make a mod that generates structures
16:44 DusXMT I'd investigate the tree code
16:44 DS-minetest I think, there are some mods that add things like villages
16:45 DS-minetest and there are already dungeons
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16:55 Copenhagen_Bram2 I'd like to see something like millénaire in minetest
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17:11 adfeno Hi there, :D Whichi s faster in terms of checking if a mod is loaded: minetest.get_modpath or loping in minetest.get_modnames() to find the mod?
17:12 sfan5 isn't that obvious
17:12 Krock checking the namespace
17:12 Krock results in a warning when it's not a defined global variable
17:13 Krock but it's the fastest
17:13 DS-minetest to avoid the warning use minetest.global_exists
17:13 Krock DS-minetest: but that's about the same speed as get_modpath
17:13 Krock i.e. slower
17:14 DS-minetest :O why so?
17:14 sfan5 isn't global_exists pure lua?
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17:15 DS-minetest afaik, global_exists simply uses rawget on _G
17:15 Krock oh yes it's pure lua. in this case: direct access > global_exists > get_modpath
17:15 DS-minetest I guess, the function call causes an overhead, or why the first >?
17:15 rubenwardy yes
17:16 adfeno So, minetest.global_exists is faster then?
17:16 rubenwardy no, it's more readable
17:17 rubenwardy `if minetest.global_exists("hi") then`    vs    `if rawget(_G, "hi") then`
17:17 rubenwardy does  `if _G.hi then` work?
17:17 DS-minetest adfeno: if you check during load time, speed won't matter that drastically, probably. if you need to know whether a mod is loaded at runtime store the value in a local variable
17:18 DS-minetest the latter causes a warning, rubenwardy
17:19 DS-minetest the latemost*
17:19 Copenhagen_Bram2 Is there any place I can download minetest world/maps, like mesecon puzzles, stuff like that?
17:20 DS-minetest Copenhagen_Bram2: yes, worlds subforum
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17:20 adfeno Now, how are the mod names stored and referenced? For example if I want to check for ethereal, then do I use minetest.global_exists("ethereal") or minetest.global_exists("ethereal:") (notice the colon) ?
17:20 DS-minetest >the latter causes a warning, rubenwardy            I might be wrong, oops
17:21 DS-minetest the global_exists is not a general solution
17:22 DS-minetest it only works if the mod created a global variable with the name you give to global_exists
17:22 Copenhagen_Bram2 DS-minetest: oh neat
17:22 Copenhagen_Bram2 But I'm having trouble loading the minetest forum
17:22 Copenhagen_Bram2 When I try to load https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=12 I get a 504 error
17:22 adfeno DS-minetest: Hm, I see.
17:23 DS-minetest adfeno: just use minetest.get_modpath("etheral") (or minetest.get_modpath("etheral") ~= nil)
17:23 adfeno OK
17:26 oil_boi_ Can you imagine a node monster with a model just made from blender bones which attaches node entities to it to build it's body :D
17:28 DS-minetest yes, I can
17:28 Copenhagen_Bram2 I get the same error when trying to open forum.minetest.net. Is the forum down?
17:28 Copenhagen_Bram2 At least minetest.net is still up
17:29 oil_boi_ Copenhagen_Bram2: The forum is always down lately :L
17:29 DS-minetest Copenhagen_Bram2: the forums seems to have, currently - in the last few days - even harder, problems
17:30 Copenhagen_Bram2 hmm
17:31 oil_boi_ Wiki is having problems now
17:32 rubenwardy it's on the same maching
17:32 rubenwardy technical issues, celeron55 is on it
17:33 Copenhagen_Bram2 oh neat
17:35 oil_boi_ I'm gonna guess the isp is Elisa, I hear they're not so good
17:36 sfan5 wrong guess
17:36 sfan5 and ISP is largely irrelevant
17:36 oil_boi_ I have an HP Z400 I can send him if the server is overloaded, you can raid0 up to 32 drives
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17:38 Copenhagen_Bram2 I wonder if you could host the server on a p2p protocol such as dat
17:38 Copenhagen_Bram2 or zeronet
17:38 Copenhagen_Bram2 then if someone else is seeding and the server goes down at least people can access a static copy
17:49 oil_boi_ I just realized that is an awful idea during these events. This lockdown has my mind all over the place right now :T
17:50 oil_boi_ Also Copenhagen_Bram2 yes you can
17:50 oil_boi_ Just look at https://open.tube/ it's p2p youtube
17:51 Copenhagen_Bram2 ooh it's a peertube instance
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18:06 texmex oil_boi_: Bug alert! https://github.com/oilboi/Crafter/issues/6
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18:10 behalebabo texmex: try minetest master branch
18:14 texmex Oh dang
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18:28 Copenhagen_Bram2 Are minetest connections to servers encrypted? Does it use SSH?
18:29 rubenwardy no
18:29 rubenwardy and no
18:30 Copenhagen_Bram2 Hmm
18:31 Copenhagen_Bram2 Are the passwords hashed? Or should I be careful about logging in to a minetest server over public wifi?
18:32 Krock not sure whether SSH supports UDP
18:32 Copenhagen_Bram2 Minetest uses udp?
18:32 rubenwardy passwords aren't hashed, we use Secure Remote Password which is a proof-based protocol
18:32 Krock yes
18:32 rubenwardy it's more secure than password hashing because you don't need to trust the server
18:34 Copenhagen_Bram2 Hmm
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18:40 DS-minetest question: is the money here intended? https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/86a0e991efff2fc616372f566a301352be28dae9/src/client/clientlauncher.h#L66
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18:43 Copenhagen_Bram2 so how are we gonna store a library of censored journalism on minetest if we can't encrypt it?
18:44 Copenhagen_Bram2 not only that but what if someone wants to make a secret minetest server that's a tor hidden service
18:44 DS-minetest maybe use csm to encrypt it in lua and send via modding channels
18:44 Copenhagen_Bram2 hmm
18:44 Copenhagen_Bram2 ooh i've also wondering if it'd be possible to have some kind of p2p server
18:44 DS-minetest and store it in meta of random nodes
18:45 Copenhagen_Bram2 imagine a program that can access minetest maps from dat or ipfs repos, and then it runs a local server you can connect to
18:48 Copenhagen_Bram2 heck, maybe i'll open grasshopper for the first time in a few months and try to learn some programming
18:51 DS-minetest I've found the introducing commit for the weird £: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/146f77fdb750833c649de7159a0833c398e14a4d#diff-f1adcc8d8014db9b09c711eb1c2e56c0R81
18:52 DS-minetest but it doesn't seem to be intended
18:54 Copenhagen_Bram2 <DS-minetest> and store it in meta of random nodes
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18:54 Copenhagen_Bram2 hmm that might be a good idea
18:54 Copenhagen_Bram2 maybe even e2e encrypted chat could be modded in
19:01 DS-minetest oh, we have two `g_fontengine`s and some registered setting callbacks only operate on the inner one
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19:29 MinetestBot [git] sfan5 -> minetest/minetest: Builtin: Make item entities glow less (#9594) ea30b89 https://git.io/JvbQv (2020-04-04T19:27:30Z)
19:29 MinetestBot [git] SmallJoker -> minetest/minetest: Revert collision tweaks #9365 and #9327 (#9591) d5c4412 https://git.io/JvbQf (2020-04-04T19:27:23Z)
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19:47 DS-minetest edit_to_that_last_comment: oops, I'm wrong. TIL: if you have an extern static variable and don't initialize it directly, you can initialize it somewhere else without redefining it and you have to declare it there again
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20:10 BuckarooBanzai_ Copenhagen_Bram2: https://github.com/wangyu-/udp2raw-tunnel
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20:32 texmex oil_boi_: I'm getting 5 FPS with snow >_<
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20:37 DS-minetest :O now I know why the root gui element is a StaticText, it's minetest that does that weird stuff
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20:42 Extex I've got a crafitem and I want it to last through craft recipes but get damaged each craft use. How would I do this?
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20:43 DS-minetest I think, you need to use the on_craft callback
20:44 Extex Okay I'll look into it tnx
20:44 DS-minetest here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/ea30b89d3fcaf599a4d4c4e2f12f01a1d59f1072/doc/lua_api.txt#L4353
20:45 DS-minetest I guess you have to modify the craft player inventory list
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21:31 Verticen What would one do to have a decent survival challenge in Minetest? I've tried some of the mobs mods, but it seems that hostile mobs rarely spawn and they are somewhat easy to defeat. How to I make it more of a challenge?
21:31 rubenwardy CTF
21:31 rubenwardy :D
21:32 rubenwardy also, Exile
21:32 Verticen CTF? what is this?
21:32 rubenwardy it's buggy but is certainly a survival channel
21:32 rubenwardy CTF is a server - Capture the Flag
21:32 rubenwardy Exile is a game for Minetest
21:32 rubenwardy !mod Exile
21:32 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Exile 0.1 by Dokimi - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=24334
21:32 Verticen Oh. I guess I will give exile a try
21:33 rubenwardy Exile is PvE
21:33 rubenwardy player vs environment
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21:56 Copenhagen_Bram2 Wuzzy: Just found out about RealTest for Minetest 5. Since it's exactly like the original, do you plan on making a Realtest NG where you add stuff to it?
21:57 Wuzzy no
21:58 Copenhagen_Bram2 oh okay
21:59 Copenhagen_Bram2 I have to wonder, is it really that realistic to take down a tree by digging the dirt under it?
22:01 sfan5 ever see a real life tree float?
22:02 Copenhagen_Bram2 no but ever see someone dig a tree to the ground with their bare hands?
22:02 Copenhagen_Bram2 trees have roots
22:03 sfan5 right
22:03 Copenhagen_Bram2 also i just made a dirt block float in realtest
22:03 Copenhagen_Bram2 :o
22:03 yrungr realtest?
22:03 Copenhagen_Bram2 yeah realtest
22:03 Copenhagen_Bram2 it's minetest but more realistic
22:04 yrungr https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=2671
22:04 DS-minetest "but" would imply that it's something like a fork, but it's a subgame
22:04 yrungr interesting.
22:05 Copenhagen_Bram2 <DS-minetest> "but" would imply that it's something like a fork, but it's a subgame
22:05 Copenhagen_Bram2 maybe it's a fork of the minetest subgame
22:05 Wuzzy no
22:05 Wuzzy there is no minetest subgame
22:05 DS-minetest you mean mtg?
22:05 Wuzzy probably
22:05 Copenhagen_Bram2 yes i mean mtg
22:05 Wuzzy no it not a fork
22:05 Wuzzy at least i think so
22:06 Wuzzy its its own game with a collection of a FEW mods that were popular back in the days (like flowers)
22:07 Wuzzy what do you think about this game so far?
22:07 Wuzzy roots.... Copenhagen_Bram2 thats actually a great idea
22:07 Copenhagen_Bram2 thanks
22:07 Wuzzy yes roots should be added when its about realism
22:07 Copenhagen_Bram2 here's another idea http://www.native-art-in-canada.com/fellatree.html
22:07 Wuzzy its funny how tress just emerge out from the dirt with no roots at all
22:08 DS-minetest Wuzzy: btw. did you remove the bad changes that the other realtest ngs introduced? (like furniture stuff or ugly things)
22:08 Copenhagen_Bram2 > Pat the mud onto the tree about three feet from the ground. Continue making mud and patting it onto the tree until you've girdled it to a height of about six feet with mud that is at least two inches thick and isn't showing any signs of falling off.
22:08 Wuzzy notice that this game is also very VERY old. as i said in the thread, its about preserving history
22:09 Wuzzy DS-minetest: no
22:09 Wuzzy hmmm actually
22:09 Copenhagen_Bram2 so basically imagine in realtest you could pat clay blocks around a tree to stop it from burning all the way up, then build a fire under the tree
22:09 Wuzzy Your question cannot be answered because it contains a false assumption
22:10 Wuzzy DS-minetest: the game is not based on any of the other realtest redos, so i did not *remove* those additions. i never added them 😛
22:10 DS-minetest ah, ok
22:11 Wuzzy I wouldn't even call "my" Realtest a "redo". it's just a resurrection for MT5
22:11 DS-minetest what source did you take as base?
22:12 Wuzzy i am not 100% sure
22:12 DS-minetest huh?
22:12 Wuzzy but i think its from the downlod link in the 2012 thread by sda97
22:12 Copenhagen_Bram2 <Wuzzy> what do you think about this game so far?
22:12 Copenhagen_Bram2 So far I've found that the best part of this game is your documentation. Back before Minetest 5, when Realtest was not a piece of history, but rather just another mod, I played it, and found it impossible to progress. But thanks to the readme and the crafting guide you've added, I think I'm about to have some fun.
22:12 Wuzzy ITS NOT A MOD!!!!!!
22:12 Wuzzy arrrgggh
22:12 Wuzzy 😆
22:12 Copenhagen_Bram2 sorry
22:13 Wuzzy this stuff always makes me angry 😀
22:13 Copenhagen_Bram2 just another subgame*
22:13 Copenhagen_Bram2 btw I think we're calling subgames just games now
22:13 DS-minetest wasn't there a website with documentation (in the danwhatwasthisguysnameagain version)?
22:13 Wuzzy yes
22:13 Copenhagen_Bram2 also how is mtg different from any other game?
22:13 Wuzzy DS-minetest: what?
22:14 DS-minetest finding evidence is difficult with the current state of the forum
22:14 DS-minetest Dan Duncombe was their name
22:14 Wuzzy It's most probably grabbed from this thread : https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2671
22:14 Copenhagen_Bram2 DS-minetest: try web.archive.org
22:15 Copenhagen_Bram2 for accessing archived copies of the forum
22:15 Wuzzy and this thread in turn links to https://github.com/sda97ghb/realtest/
22:15 Copenhagen_Bram2 and maybe even a snapshot of the website that used to be up
22:15 Wuzzy Sadly, "my" realtest is not based on the original GitHub repo
22:15 Wuzzy it seems to be an older version of RealTest, oddly
22:16 DS-minetest thx Copenhagen_Bram2
22:16 Wuzzy there's a download link in the 2012 thread that seems to give me a more updated version
22:16 Wuzzy apparently sda97 didnt bother to push these changes into the repo
22:16 Wuzzy but i am not 100% sure
22:16 Copenhagen_Bram2 hmm
22:16 Wuzzy actually, "my" realtest is based on a years-old copy in ~/.minetest on my harddrive from which i have forgotten the origin 😀
22:16 Copenhagen_Bram2 lol
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22:17 Wuzzy but I **think** its the official download
22:17 Wuzzy because it's very very close to the git repo
22:17 Copenhagen_Bram2 how hard would it be to update your resurrection to a more recent version of realtest?
22:17 DS-minetest your pc is the official download server
22:17 Wuzzy what do you mean? o_O
22:18 Wuzzy there is no more recent version of realtest
22:18 Copenhagen_Bram2 i mean make a more recent version of the old minetest compatible with minetest 5
22:18 Copenhagen_Bram2 relatively more recent
22:18 Wuzzy ?????
22:18 Wuzzy what do you want?!
22:19 Wuzzy minetest 0.4.17 is incompatible with minetest 5.
22:19 Copenhagen_Bram2 I mean turn the original realtest github repo or the realtest download from the forum that's more updated, into realtest for minetest 5
22:19 Wuzzy why?
22:19 Wuzzy it doesn't make sense
22:19 Copenhagen_Bram2 and I mean if the forum download is more updated, since you said you're not sure
22:20 Copenhagen_Bram2 hmm
22:20 rubenwardy I can update the forum topic
22:20 Wuzzy no please don't!!
22:20 Wuzzy you're destroying evidence
22:20 Copenhagen_Bram2 ...
22:20 rubenwardy ..
22:20 Copenhagen_Bram2 quick, use web.archive.org/save to protect your evidence from being destroyed
22:20 Wuzzy besides, i think you will fail anyway, given the flood of 500 internal server errors 🙂
22:21 rubenwardy I'll update it to have   [size=3]There's a [url=link]maintained version by Wuzzy[/url][/size]
22:21 rubenwardy that's it
22:21 Wuzzy ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
22:21 Wuzzy i thought you wanted to purge the links
22:21 rubenwardy I'm not particularly motivated to edit the forum now htough
22:21 Wuzzy surprise!
22:21 Copenhagen_Bram2 <Wuzzy> why?
22:21 Wuzzy DS-minetest: what did you mean, ugly furniture?
22:22 Copenhagen_Bram2 because maybe the original github repo or the forum download has some more features added than the copy you had on your hard drive
22:22 Wuzzy i have already made comparisons and i know the download is more up-to-date
22:22 Copenhagen_Bram2 assuming your copy is older than the repo or the download and some features were added or bugs fixed since then
22:22 Copenhagen_Bram2 oh okay
22:22 Wuzzy which is why i picked that one, not the repo
22:23 Copenhagen_Bram2 can you resurrect the download to minetest 5 like you did your local copy?
22:23 DS-minetest Wuzzy: I think I saw some ugly detailed mesh stuff on some server or somewhere, I'm bad at remembering
22:23 Copenhagen_Bram2 how hard is it to do so?
22:23 Wuzzy you're still not making any sense
22:23 DS-minetest so why am I not allowed to read again? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7573
22:23 Wuzzy my realtest revival ***IS*** based on the forum download
22:23 Copenhagen_Bram2 oh
22:24 Copenhagen_Bram2 oh okay
22:24 Wuzzy lol
22:24 Copenhagen_Bram2 i thought you were saying it was based on your copy in your ~/.minetest
22:24 Wuzzy hmmm
22:24 Copenhagen_Bram2 ok so never mind then yay
22:24 Wuzzy maybe i should just download everything again to check if i missed any fancy features
22:25 Copenhagen_Bram2 but now you must make a realtest NG where you add roots and make it so you have to pack clay around a tree and burn the base of it down
22:25 Copenhagen_Bram2 like, a whole bunch of dirt and root blocks under trees that take 5 times as long to dig as the dirt blocks
22:25 Copenhagen_Bram2 lol
22:26 Wuzzy no
22:26 Copenhagen_Bram2 oh ok
22:26 Wuzzy i agree its a nice idea but i do not plan a RealTest NG or anything like that
22:27 Wuzzy i have other plans for now
22:27 * Copenhagen_Bram2 loads https://web.archive.org/save/https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2671 to protect the evidence from being destroyed :)
22:27 DS-minetest Vanes saE has another version of realtest: https://gitlab.com/VanessaE/realtest
22:28 Copenhagen_Bram2 last commit was only 4 years ago hmm
22:28 VanessaE that's not "another" version
22:28 VanessaE it's just an old fork I made to add some random feature that I don't recall what
22:28 Copenhagen_Bram2 hi vanessa
22:28 VanessaE hi,
22:29 Copenhagen_Bram2 check the commit log, maybe it'll remind you
22:29 Copenhagen_Bram2 and then make wuzzy add them
22:29 DS-minetest oops, the name was still in the linke
22:29 DS-minetest hi
22:29 Copenhagen_Bram2 hi
22:30 Wuzzy I specfically picked the "real" RealTest and not one of the rehashes because i was not convinced any of them was really superior
22:32 DS-minetest SmallJoker's mod search showed me that dan's realtest version (which was initially not bad and used on a server) (and it was the version with the doc website, I think) had as source github / vanessa e / realtest
22:33 VanessaE if you're gonna base something on realtest, fork from THAT ^ one.
22:36 Copenhagen_Bram2 you know, i think realtest is kinda like nodecore
22:37 Copenhagen_Bram2 has anyone played nodecore?
22:37 DS-minetest can't find
22:37 DS-minetest there're just rabbits
22:37 Copenhagen_Bram2 huh? lemme try
22:38 Wuzzy VanessaE: why
22:38 Copenhagen_Bram2 and now my computer is slow to search
22:38 Copenhagen_Bram2 sigh
22:39 Copenhagen_Bram2 nodecore is right here https://content.minetest.net/packages/Warr1024/nodecore/
22:39 Copenhagen_Bram2 maybe the only similarity is that it takes more effort to take down a tree
22:40 Copenhagen_Bram2 hmm... and the rarity of the ore
22:40 DS-minetest where does that new "contentdb" website thing link the link to the forum topic?
22:40 rubenwardy in the header
22:40 VanessaE Wuzzy: because it's a bit more up-to-date than the original realtest.  I don't remember what all is different though
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22:41 rubenwardy NodeCore doesn't have a forum topic, mind
22:41 * DS-minetest can't find it.
22:41 DS-minetest no forum topic?!
22:41 rubenwardy nope
22:41 rubenwardy warr1024 is against the forums
22:41 Copenhagen_Bram2 how come?
22:41 Wuzzy wat.
22:41 rubenwardy \o/
22:42 rubenwardy they're only on Discord
22:42 DS-minetest well, then it's not officially released
22:42 Copenhagen_Bram2 maybe he prefers discord
22:42 Wuzzy booooo!
22:42 DS-minetest ahh
22:42 rubenwardy it is - ContentDB is the canonical place for releases now
22:42 Wuzzy yeah thats good enough
22:42 Copenhagen_Bram2 hmm
22:42 Wuzzy but still. discord.. boooo! boooooooooo!
22:42 Wuzzy why have people no respect for freedom these days? 🙁
22:42 DS-minetest I will never use contentdb if I can't git clone from there
22:43 Copenhagen_Bram2 Wuzzy: nodecore has an IRC channel that's bridged to discord
22:43 Copenhagen_Bram2 #nodecore
22:43 rubenwardy he used to be on IRC
22:43 DS-minetest I've tried to read the discord eula thing once, but wasn't able to. large wall of grey text on lite grey
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22:43 Copenhagen_Bram2 erm... but it's bridged to its own discord channel on the nodecore server that gets ignored
22:43 Wuzzy gosh. why make it so complicated? ...
22:44 Wuzzy why do people hate standardized, functional, tried and tested technologies so much and love proprietary, locked down monopolized solutions instead? 🙁
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22:44 Wuzzy its so frustrating
22:45 DS-minetest hmm, maybe advertising
22:45 DS-minetest and other people forcing you
22:45 Copenhagen_Bram2 <Copenhagen_Bram2> erm... but it's bridged to its own discord channel on the nodecore server that gets ignored
22:45 Copenhagen_Bram2 scratched that, the IRC channel is active and I've been told in there that it's been re-bridged to the discord main channel
22:46 rubenwardy IRC really isn't user friendly at all
22:46 Wuzzy "other people forcing you" ... indeed. social pressure is a biggie
22:46 Wuzzy I think irc is as userfriendly as their clients
22:46 DS-minetest and organizations that weirdly entrust their life to other firms
22:46 Wuzzy but i agree current clients we have now could be better ...
22:46 rubenwardy having so many clients is also user unfriendly
22:46 rubenwardy given how none of the popular ones are user friendly
22:46 Wuzzy maybe we just need ONE high-quality irc client
22:47 rubenwardy the only user friendly clients are probably just IRCCloud (proprietary) and Matrix  (not IRC)
22:47 DS-minetest high-quality means lightweight for me
22:47 Wuzzy i like my hexchat but i wouldnt give it to n00bs tbh 😀
22:47 Copenhagen_Bram2 What about kiwiIRC
22:47 rubenwardy Quassel would be good if you had cores-as-a-service
22:47 rubenwardy oh yeah, I forgot kiwiIRC was an actual client
22:47 Copenhagen_Bram2 it is
22:48 rubenwardy DS-minetest: I use git to get mods
22:48 rubenwardy ContentDB is an alternative to the forums for finding mods, it's not an alternative to git
22:48 Hawk777 Lots of IRC networks have webchat clients these days, too… seems like that might not be a bad starting point for less-technical users?
22:49 Copenhagen_Bram2 and there's https://alternativeto.net/software/discord-app/
22:50 Wuzzy i agree. webchat is a great start to get people started
22:50 Copenhagen_Bram2 how do you guys feel about bridging chatrooms to multiple protocols?
22:50 sfan5 there's no denying that discord is a much more user-friendly chat platform, IRC also has some inherent disadvantages by its design
22:50 sfan5 but I don't think discord makes a great replacement for a proper website where you can download stuff
22:50 sfan5 yet that's what many people use it for these days
22:51 Copenhagen_Bram2 for downloading stuff?
22:51 Wuzzy it seems that's probably the killer issue yea 🙁
22:51 Copenhagen_Bram2 like, filesharing?
22:51 Wuzzy free software is losing HARD right now. and its because of usability
22:51 sfan5 well just anything you'd visit a website for: finding information, download links, ...
22:52 Wuzzy wait people use discord just to post a download link? wtf
22:52 Copenhagen_Bram2 well it's certainly easier (and free) to make a discord guild than to make a website
22:52 rom1504 only reason why irc is not the popular kid these days is because nobody is making money out of it
22:52 rom1504 all the other IMs are popular because of money
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22:53 rom1504 (messenger, whatsapp, telegram, signal, discord, slack, zoom, gitter, etc)
22:53 Copenhagen_Bram2 i use signal, where exactly does signal get money?
22:53 Copenhagen_Bram2 it's open source, no ads
22:53 Wuzzy i think money is a oversimplified explanation
22:53 Wuzzy its more complex than JUST about money
22:53 rubenwardy I've not seen anyone use discord to post a download link
22:53 rubenwardy Discord is an alternative to IRC rather than the forums
22:54 Wuzzy when discord becomes an "alternative" to IRC then minetest is dead to me lol
22:54 Wuzzy oops
22:54 Wuzzy i mean forums, not IRC
22:54 rom1504 Copenhagen_Bram2: from investements in a company (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Messenger#Funding )
22:55 Copenhagen_Bram2 <rubenwardy> I've not seen anyone use discord to post a download link
22:55 Copenhagen_Bram2 i'm a frequent user of discord (unfortunately), and they make channels just for holding messages with rules, introductions, download links in a few messages from the admins and they're locked so that nobody else can message in it
22:55 rom1504 if it become a bit more popular, for sure they'll sell user info or something simila
22:55 rubenwardy that's not their main purpose though?
22:55 rubenwardy that's informational
22:55 rubenwardy they probably still have a website
22:56 rom1504 Wuzzy: actually it's really just about money
22:56 Wuzzy i mean okay. i can understand why people use discord (or anything proprietary) cuz convenience
22:56 rubenwardy it's about time and experience, not money
22:56 rom1504 money = you can pay for advertising of the app/protocol
22:56 rubenwardy money means you can hire time and experience
22:56 Wuzzy but what really gets me when they make it their ONLY means of commincation, therefore discriminating the FOSS zealots like me
22:56 rom1504 and you can pay engineers to make the app look user friendly, etc
22:57 Wuzzy i mean, they bascially force you to use discord. if thats not an option for you, you're out
22:57 rom1504 having an open communication protocol is a negative for an IM app that's supposed to make money because people can switch to another app at any other time
22:57 rom1504 that's why big companies try to replace email as much as they can
22:58 Copenhagen_Bram2 I wonder if any game theorists have figured out how to make free, open source software that's high quality and competitive
22:59 benrob0329 Quite frankly, none of the FOSS solutions know who they're targetting. IRC is very old and very inconvienient to use across multiple devices, Matrix is a buggy POS with no development strategy, XMPP is a mess of competing standards, Tox is boarderline dead, Signal at least knows who it's for (encrypted SMS, but that doesn't help this), Rocket.Chat is close, but requires a website client
23:00 rom1504 the good thing is, it's doesn't matter too much
23:00 rom1504 you can use an irc client and a bunch of bridges
23:00 rom1504 so it works for any new IM that come and goes
23:00 Wuzzy its interesting how e-mail still managed to survive the proprietary BS mostly
23:00 benrob0329 E-Mail has had newer standards put into place to keep up with new needs
23:01 rom1504 maybe the reason why email survives is because of the straight forward parallel (and usage) with physical mail
23:01 rom1504 which is also pretty much an open standard
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23:02 benrob0329 But FOSS chat solutions tend to try to just copy proprietary products to a worse extent, when their made for more technical users who atually care about the politics
23:02 rom1504 but yeah I agree it's interesting that it did survive
23:02 benrob0329 Physical mail is not an open standard, like at all
23:02 rom1504 really ?
23:03 rom1504 it's just an envelope and paper inside
23:03 Wuzzy lets say its a bad analogy
23:03 benrob0329 (in the US) There are multiple competing companies who all have seperate infrustructures, one of which (USPS) has special boxes that only they can use
23:03 rom1504 it's enveloppe + adress written on it
23:03 rom1504 yes I'm talking about classical letters
23:04 rom1504 sending bigger things also doesn't work with email
23:04 benrob0329 Shipping lables are different, postage is different, its all linked to whatever infrustructure is there and it's usually controlled by a single entity under penalty of law.
23:04 benrob0329 It's really not an open standard, it's just a widely accepted one.
23:04 rom1504 yeah ok
23:05 rom1504 I guess my point is that the "email" concept is as easily understandable as the "mail" concept
23:05 benrob0329 Yes
23:05 rom1504 sending some piece of content to someone, that will take some time to be delivered
23:06 Wuzzy or maybe the explanation is much simpler. there's so much software that depends on email that you just cant replace with something else
23:06 rom1504 whereas for IM there are lot of different ways to think about it
23:06 Wuzzy and i know for a fact there have been several attempts by corporate or government to replace e-mail by their own BS system
23:06 Wuzzy they all crashed and burned, THANKFULLY
23:06 rom1504 and there is no physical equivalent, you cannot instantly talk with people over letters
23:06 benrob0329 E-mail probably needs a good replacement (it's a mess to set up) but it's so ingrained in our infrustructure it's nearly impossile
23:07 benrob0329 IM is most similar to verbal conversation
23:07 benrob0329 Which is something most FOSS solutions ignore, the actual voice communication part of most services post-y2k
23:07 rom1504 well here, with just that sentence you found an issue
23:07 Wuzzy In Germany there was/is something called "De-Mail" which is basically e-mail, but "made in germany" with its complete own, incompatible standard. basically perfect example of NIH syndrome
23:08 rubenwardy It's not actually that hard to set up  it's hard to set it up and not be considered spam
23:08 rom1504 if it's similar to verbal conversation: should it include audio ?
23:08 rom1504 that's a divergence already
23:08 benrob0329 That question has no nuance to it
23:08 Wuzzy long story short De-Mail was a clusterfuck of insanity and almost nobody in germany uses it
23:08 rom1504 should it be 24/24, should it include smileys, should it include video, different rooms or just person to person, ...
23:08 benrob0329 What kind of audio? In what context? To what extend?
23:09 benrob0329 *extent
23:09 benrob0329 Yes there are different needs, thats why you need to know your audience
23:09 benrob0329 Discord knows their audience, that's why it's so popular
23:10 rom1504 yeah but I mean I guess that's why there is a proliferation of IM stuff
23:10 Wuzzy just knowing your audience is not sufficient to be popular
23:10 rom1504 each addressing slightly different needs
23:10 benrob0329 IRC doesn't even know thier audience anymore, half the people want modern features and are pushing for it and the other half want it to stay in 1999
23:10 sfan5 pretty sure the former half has already moved on to e.g. matrix
23:11 benrob0329 except Matrix has the same problem, but even worse
23:11 benrob0329 I should know, I admin a few Matrix rooms
23:11 sfan5 doesn't have those modern features people want?
23:11 sfan5 +itr
23:11 sfan5 it*
23:12 Wuzzy is there at least a way to teach people how rude it is to force people to use "<random proprietary service X>" to coommunicate with them, and if you don't do that, you're out?
23:12 Copenhagen_Bram2 <rom1504> it's enveloppe + adress written on it
23:12 rom1504 what would be really awesome really would be a smart client with the union of all features and that could connect to almost all protocols. There has been a few try at this, nothing that works really well. But I don't lose hope that it'll happen one day
23:12 Copenhagen_Bram2 and a US stamp you have to buy
23:13 sfan5 no because "people" do not care about any (F)OSS/proprietary distinction
23:13 Copenhagen_Bram2 i wouldn't call that open
23:13 Wuzzy sfan5: its not even about proprietary/foss
23:13 Wuzzy its about active discrimination .
23:13 Copenhagen_Bram2 it's only 'open' if you stick it in an envelope and bring it to the recipient yourself
23:13 benrob0329 Matrix has modern features, but their added in such a chaotic and ass-backwards mannor that I'm not sure who their targetting anymore
23:13 sfan5 ok but consider this: "where's the problem? you can just sign up for discord and join, it's free."
23:13 Wuzzy if you're only supporting ONE particular service, you'Re excluding a lot of people (maybe unwillingly)
23:14 Copenhagen_Bram2 <sfan5> ok but consider this: "where's the problem? you can just sign up for discord and join, it's free."
23:14 Copenhagen_Bram2 but you have to give them your emails
23:14 Copenhagen_Bram2 email*
23:14 sfan5 if you want to answer that with a lecture they will already have stopped listening to you
23:14 rom1504 Copenhagen_Bram2: yes maybe "open" is not the right word, but maybe something like "universal concept". the envelop + adress concept (+ paying yeah it works like that in physical word) is pretty much used in all countries
23:14 benrob0329 Discord is just as much Voice Chat as it is IM
23:14 Wuzzy yeah and this makes me sad
23:15 Wuzzy i feel FOSS people are generally having a hard time
23:15 Wuzzy they are being discriminated and its not even really perceived as such
23:15 Hawk777 And the postal system is a closed *network*, but the *client* choice is open: just pay and ship, nobody forces you to write on a certain type of paper, using a certain type of pen, or in a certain font.
23:15 sfan5 people who care about these distinctions do have a hard time, yes
23:15 benrob0329 FOSS support is at an all-time high, what are you talking about?
23:15 Wuzzy and those who discriminate probably dont do it "because they're evil"
23:16 Copenhagen_Bram2 I'm starting to wonder where signal gets their funding
23:16 sfan5 benrob0329: I think Wuzzy is more taking about "software freedom is important to me and I avoid proprietary apps and platforms" than "Open Source software is great, my employer just switched to Libre Office and we don't have to pay MS a dime"
23:17 Copenhagen_Bram2 It's one open source messenger I can think of that is user friendly and is somewhat popular
23:17 * Copenhagen_Bram2 looks it up on duckduckgo
23:17 benrob0329 This all started with Nodecore being mostly on Discord, but it's also bridged to IRC and works perfectly fine there
23:17 Copenhagen_Bram2 Huh, they got a $50 million from Whatsapp
23:17 Copenhagen_Bram2 oh, from the whatsapp co-founder
23:18 Wuzzy sfan5: yea
23:18 benrob0329 I learned that trying to convert your friends to a broken, buggy messenger that doesn't fit the user-case only results in pain.
23:18 rubenwardy whatsapp bought the signal protocol
23:18 sfan5 s/bought/implemented/ ?
23:18 Wuzzy I think the open source argument of "open source is great" as in "it's great quality" or as in "its superior development" is complete BS
23:19 Wuzzy because just because you're "opening the source" does not make your software better quality
23:19 rubenwardy well, they paid money to them and implemented their protocol
23:19 rubenwardy I guess "buying" isn't accurate
23:19 rubenwardy also, citation needed
23:19 Wuzzy the open source advocates really need to stop using the quality argument, because its not true
23:19 benrob0329 Signal's e2e encryption has become the new standard for IM
23:20 rubenwardy signal is really good
23:20 rubenwardy there are gems in the FOSS world
23:20 rubenwardy Mastodon is awesome
23:20 Wuzzy truth is, open source, free software and proprietary software. each of them can be super good or super bad, in terms of quality.
23:20 benrob0329 You're never going to convince a normal person to use a brand new platform because its open source, just like you're never going to convince a chat room of randos that security is important for their conversation
23:20 Copenhagen_Bram2 <rubenwardy> there are gems in the FOSS world
23:20 Copenhagen_Bram2 don't forget the elephant in the room here, Firefox
23:21 rom1504 and chromium
23:21 Wuzzy i think the big logic mistake in open source advocacy is the false belief that open source is seen as a "development methology". its not
23:21 sfan5 yeah I was about to mention
23:21 rubenwardy oh yes, Firefox is great
23:21 orbea Copenhagen_Bram2: firefox, the worst brother excluding all the other ones...
23:21 Wuzzy i dont like chromium 🙂 its too googly
23:21 sfan5 the problem with chromium is that it's more "you can look at the source and have fun with it" than real community-run FOSS
23:21 Wuzzy i have downloaded chromium but you REALLY notice the google influence in it
23:22 rom1504 yes it's not open development
23:22 sfan5 also raises the question of whether you can consider Firefox to be "real" FOSS, since Mozilla is the sole developer and owner
23:22 Wuzzy yes it is real foss
23:22 Wuzzy as i said, FOSS is not the same as development methology
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23:22 Wuzzy you can run development like a cathedral and still be foss
23:22 rubenwardy does mozilla develop in public and accept external contributions?
23:22 benrob0329 Fun fact: FF now routs DNS queries through Cloudflair by default
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23:23 rom1504 really
23:23 benrob0329 rubenwardy: yes
23:23 Copenhagen_Bram2 yeah FOSS doesn't mean you have to let others contribute, you can simply put the source code on github and not accept anyone's contributions if you like
23:23 Wuzzy which of the development models - cathedral or bazar ... is an ENTIRELY different discussion than proprietary vs libr
23:23 Copenhagen_Bram2 and still be the dictator of your project
23:23 Wuzzy yea
23:23 rubenwardy it doesn't know, which is why there is a distinction between open-developed and closed-room developed FOSS software
23:23 Copenhagen_Bram2 although someone might fork it
23:23 Wuzzy although i think dictator is a bit of a hyperbole 😉
23:23 rubenwardy Android is closed-room developed
23:24 benrob0329 I'm the dictator of my project, doesn't mean it's not FOSS. It just means I don't want design-by-democracy
23:24 rubenwardy they dump all the source code just before release
23:24 sfan5 benrob0329: Cloudflare* and only in the US (currently)
23:25 Copenhagen_Bram2 making your project open source does incentivise you to be a benevolent dictator though
23:25 Copenhagen_Bram2 if you put spyware in there someone will call it out
23:25 orbea depends how well you hide it
23:25 Copenhagen_Bram2 true
23:25 orbea an off by one error could be an exploit in some cases
23:26 Copenhagen_Bram2 guess you'll have to embed the spyware in the binary
23:26 Copenhagen_Bram2 or sneak it into the code
23:26 Wuzzy i think the reason why proprietary is still so popular is cuz many people are not aware of the actual proven abuses that the software does without them knowing
23:26 Wuzzy lots of proprietary software (not all!) spy on their users without them noticing
23:26 Wuzzy its not good when spyware has become socally acceptable
23:26 benrob0329 Most people just accept it and move on
23:27 orbea which is exactly why these technologies continue to exist, despite abusing their userbase
23:28 Copenhagen_Bram2 if only george orwell knew that we would be buying the telescreens
23:28 benrob0329 These issues have been hashed out time and time again though, what are we trying to achieve with this conversation?
23:28 orbea its arguing to the choir :)
23:29 Copenhagen_Bram2 maybe it's fun to sing along
23:29 Copenhagen_Bram2 who else are we gonna talk about it with? it's easier to chat about it with you guys than debate it with someone else
23:29 Wuzzy oh how right you are
23:30 Copenhagen_Bram2 also i haven't thought much about what you said about the proven abuses
23:30 Copenhagen_Bram2 until you mentioned it
23:30 Wuzzy i mean, why would anyone sane buy Amazon Echo or that Google thingie and all the other smarter-than-you speakers?
23:30 rubenwardy Warr1024  says that both the IRC and Discord for #nodecore are equally as official
23:30 Copenhagen_Bram2 because muh alexa turn my lights off
23:31 benrob0329 Because digital assistants are handy, that's why
23:31 Wuzzy i think that these devices abuse you should be a wellknown fact today
23:31 Copenhagen_Bram2 alexa: i'm sorry dave, i'm afraid I can't do that
23:31 Wuzzy 🙂
23:31 rubenwardy I want to make my own IoT assistant
23:31 benrob0329 People accept that most companies are spying on them, why do you think Facebook is still so popular?
23:31 Wuzzy "Alexa, do you work for the NSA" ... - "Do you think we're that stupid?" 🙂
23:31 Copenhagen_Bram2 mycroft, turn the lights off
23:32 benrob0329 Mycroft is great
23:32 Copenhagen_Bram2 mycroft: I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that
23:32 Wuzzy Minecrosoft
23:32 rubenwardy I'd probably base it on mycroft
23:32 Copenhagen_Bram2 *forks mycroft's software*
23:32 Copenhagen_Bram2 Mycroft, sudo turn my lights off
23:32 Wuzzy Minetestsoft
23:32 Copenhagen_Bram2 mycroft: yest master
23:32 rubenwardy you are not in the sudoers file. This incident shall be reported
23:33 Wuzzy reported to the cyber police.
23:33 Copenhagen_Bram2 reported to the nintendo police
23:33 Copenhagen_Bram2 they're coming: WiiU WiiU WiiU
23:35 Wuzzy don't get bitten by the nintendogs
23:35 benrob0329 anyways that was my spuratic jumping into the conversation to give my 2 cents
23:35 benrob0329 o/
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23:36 orbea player_transfer_distance controls how far the player nametags are visible?
23:37 sfan5 yes
23:38 orbea thanks
23:39 Copenhagen_Bram2 Oh btw is it possible to add metadata to players? I was thinking about making my first mod be one where there's a disease that gets spread from one player to another if they get within 2 blocks from each other. So can you set "infected = true" on a player?
23:39 Copenhagen_Bram2 And can I call this mod coronatest?
23:39 rubenwardy !book metadata
23:39 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Storage and Metadata - https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book//en/map/storage.html
23:39 rubenwardy player:get_meta()
23:39 Copenhagen_Bram2 oh neat

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