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IRC log for #minetest, 2017-11-18

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05:07 LJhonaiker Alguien despierto?
05:07 bigfoot547 Hey LJhonaiker
05:07 LJhonaiker DIme?
05:07 bigfoot547 Tu habla English?
05:07 LJhonaiker No.
05:07 LJhonaiker SPanish
05:08 bigfoot547 Ok
05:08 LJhonaiker Que hacen??
05:09 bigfoot547 LJhonaiker: You should probably join #minetest-es where people can understand you
05:09 bigfoot547 ;)
05:09 LJhonaiker Whats?
05:10 bigfoot547 O podría seguir usando translate.google.com :P
05:10 LJhonaiker JAJAJAJAJA
05:10 LJhonaiker Con razon :v
05:10 LJhonaiker De donde eres??
05:11 bigfoot547 Soy de los Estados Unidos
05:12 LJhonaiker Ahhh ok
05:12 LJhonaiker MI alma Canaimas por alla ??
05:12 LJhonaiker YO soy de Venezuela-Maracaibo
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08:53 jordan4ibanez Does anyone know TrainwreckTony?
08:54 jordan4ibanez If so tell em the server crashes when you left click with an egg
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09:59 MinetestBot [git] numberZero -> minetest/minetest: Fix dark liquids (#6621) 0780ee5 https://git.io/vF9XB (2017-11-18T09:57:22Z)
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11:24 hisforever Hi I have a Question . Where do I put the map.sqlight, I'm lost lol ?
11:24 Krock correction: map.sqlite
11:25 Krock put that one into a directory in your worlds/ directory
11:29 hisforever ty Krock
11:35 hisforever I downloaded a world. how Do I get it to show up on start up screen?
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11:46 Krock open worlds/the_world_you_just_downloaded/world.mt and check the setting "gameid" to see what game you need to run it
11:47 Krock or simply look out what's specified on the page where you downloaded it
11:53 hisforever ok Thanks Krock your a reat help
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11:56 Krock !next
11:56 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
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13:58 MinetestBot [git] shivajiva101 -> minetest/minetest: Fix mousewheel behaviour in textarea (#6641) 3f8e2e8 https://git.io/vF97d (2017-11-18T13:58:08Z)
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16:02 deltasquared hmm, quick question for the devs, what is the in-game stack depth limit? just curious because I was testing it with an intentionally infinite recursing function with luacmd, and the stack overflow came back almost immediately.
16:02 deltasquared I was under the impression that it was quite small, guess I could just write a thing to print it out as it goes
16:02 sfan5 i don't think we change the lua default
16:03 deltasquared ... huh, it gets to 32,716 then bails
16:04 deltasquared “32768 levels of nested function calls should be enough for anyone”
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16:45 jas_ np: https://www.mixcloud.com/liondub/liondu​b-111517-koollondon-db-rollers-special/
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18:17 Elronnd lua has no tco?
18:17 Elronnd lame
18:18 sfan5 tco?
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18:19 deltasquared Elronnd: what is this tco you speak of
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18:21 Elronnd tail call optimization
18:21 Elronnd essentially, lets you recurse indefinitely
18:21 sfan5 it probably doesn't to provide accurate backtraces
18:23 Elronnd no
18:23 Elronnd but
18:23 Elronnd it lets you recurse a ton!
18:23 deltasquared hrm, in JIT mode yes it would be hard to keep track of invocation depth unless you had a separate thread local structure to track "fake stacks"
18:24 deltasquared seeing as the whole point of TCO is to elide the stack frame of the just-finished function
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20:31 GNU[BDC] hi
20:31 GNU[BDC] is it possible to delete user without restarting server?
20:34 sfan5 in theory yes
20:34 sfan5 but this functionality is not provided by default
20:35 sfan5 deletion is not even part of the auth api
20:36 GNU[BDC] why not? its like must have for any server
20:37 Shara Why's it a must have?
20:37 GNU[BDC] so lets say someone create many clone accounts and i want delete them. I have to restart server earch time?
20:38 Shara There's no real gain in deleting them one by one. Just wait until you'd restart anyway and bulk delete any accounts you know you don't want.
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20:38 sfan5 the question why not is easily answered: whoever designed the API did not think of adding user deletion
20:38 GNU[BDC] is there any ticket to add it?
20:39 sfan5 don't think so
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20:39 GNU[BDC] Shara: what tools you use to bulk delete
20:39 Shara My approach probably won't help much, but I think some people have made scripts for it.
20:40 Shara Hardest part is deciding what to delete based on.
20:40 GNU[BDC] i have script, users that did not join in X time. Maybe there is a better way
20:40 Shara I use a priv check on my main server. Any user that failed to get interact priv (and therefore didn't leave the start area) gets deleted.
20:40 GNU[BDC] users with basic inventory
20:40 GNU[BDC] Shara: i see
20:41 Shara But if you give interact by default, that one won't help you.
20:42 Shara At least 90% of players seem to fail to get interact, so it clears out most of the clutter quite nicely for me
20:43 Shara After two years, I still haven't felt a need to delete players based on time.
20:46 GNU[BDC] how big is your auth.txt?
20:50 Shara It's previously passed 40MB in size, but usually reduces down to under 4MB (where I get the 90% figure from)
20:51 sfan5 !c 100 - int(4 / 40 * 100)
20:51 MinetestBot 90
20:51 sfan5 somehow i expected that not to match
20:51 Shara Lol sfan5 :D
20:53 Shara It will actually be higher than 90
20:53 Shara Since I've never seen what the size would have reached if I didn't delete entries every so often
20:53 GNU[BDC] Shara: wow 40, mine is 12MiB
20:53 Shara GNU[BDC]: How busy is your server and how old?
20:54 GNU[BDC] one of the oldest LibertyLand
20:54 GNU[BDC] but i keep cleaning auth.txt when it get 12/14 MiB
20:55 Shara Mine's two years old and fairly busy.
20:55 Shara But my other server is only a year old and has passed 40MB already
20:56 Shara These sizes aren't hard to reach if you get much activity
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21:03 GNU[BDC] Shara: my server is more than 3 yrs old
21:05 GNU[BDC] Shara: what server is it?
21:05 rubenwardy My sauth.sqlite is 15MB
21:05 rubenwardy will the sqlite be bigger or smaller than .txt?
21:05 sy is it even worth cleaning?
21:05 sy bigger
21:05 sy only a little bit bigger though
21:06 Shara GNU[BDC]: Red Cat is mine
21:06 Shara And Dark Lands
21:06 rubenwardy !server red cat creative
21:06 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Red Cat Creative | 51.254.216.93 | Clients: 15/30, 8/27 | Version: 0.4.16 / redcat | Ping: 14ms
21:07 GNU[BDC] !server Liberty Land
21:07 MinetestBot GNU[BDC]: Liberty Land | mt.rbose.org | Clients: 8/50, 5/8 | Version: 0.4.16 / Liberty Land | Ping: 12ms
21:07 GNU[BDC] rubenwardy: nice
21:07 Krock slightly bigger, rubenwardy. the database will contain the same data as the text file but with additional bytes for string length
21:07 Krock but it's not a big difference at all
21:08 GNU[BDC] how do you clean sauth.sqlite?
21:09 Shara It doesn't need cleaning so much really.
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21:35 rubenwardy what even https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=10&t=18581 and https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=10&t=18700
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