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09:41 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Wright Brothers Day! ✈
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09:42 VanessaE oh Abe will love today then :)
09:42 VanessaE (husband.  big fan of the Brothers and of aviation in general)
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10:03 JamesTait VanessaE, my youngest son, too. Crazy about planes.
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10:37 Ingar JamesTait: Beethoven's 245th Year
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13:16 everamzah any idea what "Map::getNodeMetadata(): Block not found" is or why it's flooding the terminal where i launched minetest client from?
13:16 everamzah http://i.imgur.com/sHs6XQ3.jpg
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13:58 everamzah removing my client's cache directory seemed to have fixed this
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14:14 everamzah actually it didn't fix this. :)
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14:53 STHGOM I'm trying to set a server to public. the "server_announce = 1", and it says announcing to servers.minetest.net (paraphrase), but it does not show on the server list. what could be the problem?
14:54 blaise the port is open to the public?
14:54 blaise can you connect from the intertubes?
14:59 STHGOM yes, i can connect
14:59 STHGOM but some cannot, ive been told
15:00 blaise then that's probably why
15:00 blaise !up
15:00 MinetestBot blaise: give me an address (and port if you want)
15:01 blaise STHGOM: ask the bot if it's available..
15:01 STHGOM !up myteke.us 39000
15:01 MinetestBot myteke.us:39000 is up (89ms)
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15:05 blaise interesting
15:05 STHGOM are you not able to connect?
15:05 blaise so, I guess there's something missing in the conf which is causeing the public list to not like it
15:05 blaise I'm not currently able to run mintest atm
15:06 blaise unless they are supporting fbcon/svga
15:06 blaise =]
15:06 blaise I'm in the midst of reinstalling my operating system
15:06 STHGOM hmm, would you like to see the conf?
15:08 blaise eh, I'm not sure how much help I would be in that area as I don't have access to the machine that used to run my dedicated minetest server
15:08 STHGOM ok
15:10 STHGOM so, is there any way to tell what the public dosnt like?
15:12 STHGOM public list*
15:13 STHGOM also, the guy whos letting me use a server cluster chnaged the bind_address, server_address and server_url
15:14 STHGOM and now it says it fails to annouce now
15:14 STHGOM but, it still says it annouces, when i revert it
15:15 STHGOM i guess i dont really know what he did, so its not really something worth bringing up
15:15 blaise sounds like his changes haven't propogated to all the dns servers in the route
15:17 blaise probably some old cached entries, possibly stale cache of ptr listings in zone
15:19 blaise it'll probably clear itself up in some hours
15:20 STHGOM hum, it has been this way for a few weeks
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15:21 blaise interesting
15:22 blaise give me a sec
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15:23 blaise I don't have bind-tools on this machine yet.. merging them now
15:29 blaise STHGOM: does this look right to you? myteke.us.              600     IN      A       192.99.244.109
15:29 STHGOM ?
15:29 STHGOM not really
15:30 STHGOM wth is it? :P
15:30 blaise that's the A record that is currently avaialble via root DNS for myteke.us
15:30 blaise there is no reverse DNS that I can see..
15:31 blaise so if 192.99.244.109 is not the right ip, then I suppose that would be your issue
15:37 blaise STHGOM: so, are you Christopher?
15:38 STHGOM nope
15:38 STHGOM thast my buddy that lets me use it
15:38 blaise ah
15:39 blaise I use afraid.org ...
15:39 blaise so I can make changes myself on the fly
15:39 blaise lmao
15:39 blaise and it's free
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15:41 STHGOM there is a web desk thingy set up that i can use
15:41 STHGOM and i can ssh
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16:43 STHGOM what is the group needed to remove something from creative inventory? in_creative_inv = 0 >?
16:43 Calinou not_in_creative_inventory = 1
16:43 STHGOM thanks
16:51 Fixer ._.
16:52 Fixer !up survival city
16:52 MinetestBot Fixer: invalid address
16:52 Fixer ._______.
16:52 Fixer !up 23.28.76.50
16:52 MinetestBot 23.28.76.50:30000 is up (143ms)
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19:01 Leoneof hello
19:02 Leoneof Why I'm here?
19:03 Elench Because you are intersted in voxel based construction games?
19:03 Krock Leoneof, because you must waste your time somehow
19:03 Elench Or that, sure
19:04 Elench Any good PvP, survival, mesecons servers?
19:04 Leoneof u_u
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19:04 mdjumethun anybody can help me
19:05 Krock nope because we don't know your problem
19:05 Elench Well, possibly but it depends on the question
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19:06 mdjumethun krock please help me
19:06 VanessaE mdjumethun: tell us what help you need.
19:07 Krock He needs help finding out what's wrong :P
19:08 mdjumethun how i lock my house in a server from other user
19:09 Elench Protection blocks if they exist and steel doors
19:10 Calinou build your house only using steel doors, locked chests and locked furnaces
19:10 Calinou :)
19:10 VanessaE heh
19:10 Calinou (some people actually do that in Minecraft)
19:10 mdjumethun i see all building and other element protect see mr x owned
19:10 Elench Double thickness too
19:10 VanessaE mdjumethun: look up the "Areas" mod
19:11 Elench To stop lag hax
19:11 VanessaE and learn its commands
19:11 mdjumethun yes
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19:12 mdjumethun all user only show but not destroy my furniture how it possible
19:12 VanessaE again,
19:12 VanessaE mdjumethun: look up the "Areas" mod and learn to use it.
19:14 mdjumethun now i build some furniture in a server but how it protected
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19:15 LazyJ "Advanced area protection" aka "Areas":    https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7239
19:15 Krock !mod areas
19:15 MinetestBot Krock: Advanced area protection [areas] by ShadowNinja - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7239
19:15 Krock LazyJ, MTB does your job
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19:16 LazyJ Thanks, Krock. ;)
19:16 Krock np
19:17 LazyJ And actually, the top post in Areas doesn't explain how to use it at all. :/
19:17 Jordach i ain't feelin well but my mind is currently mad, great start to christmas ayy lmao
19:18 LazyJ Ok, so try this link. Scroll down about half way and read the "README.md" for instructions on the commands to set protection on your stuff, mdjumethun:  https://github.com/ShadowNinja/areas
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19:36 Fixer hi LazyJ, any lack with lag? I've joined to look for few minutes, and it was near <1, which is good
19:37 Fixer hey, iron trapdoor is activable by everyone?
19:38 LazyJ Fixer, not much luck yet. Still getting spikes that go up like a rocket but come down like a feather.
19:38 Fixer well, it should go like that, that's the way it calculates it
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19:39 Fixer try mod profiling and post results I always wondered if it can help find this problem
19:42 MinetestBot [git] sapier AT gmx dot net -> minetest/minetest: Android: Fix pressed buttons not beeing cleared on opening menu 6a7e166 http://git.io/v07Al (2015-12-17T20:43:25+01:00)
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19:46 swift110 hey all
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20:01 mdjumethun hello krock
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20:03 mdjumethun how i lock my building block and furniture because other player not use it
20:03 mdjumethun please say easy way
20:04 behalebabo mdjumethun: Does the server you play on have protection blocks?
20:04 mdjumethun yea i play in a server
20:04 behalebabo Do you have a craft guide?
20:05 behalebabo And also, what is the server's name?
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20:08 mdjumethun just test
20:09 mdjumethun ?
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20:10 behalebabo In that case you can protect your buildings by placing protection blocks, crafted by putting 8 stone around a mese crystal.
20:10 behalebabo Cook cobblestone to make stone
20:11 est31 and you have to craft city block later on, to protect your house from tnt griefers
20:11 est31 bc afaik tnt still applies on protection blocks
20:11 mdjumethun i want to...........other player see this is protected by mdjumethun or owner mdjumEthun
20:14 mdjumethun ?
20:15 mdjumethun hello
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20:17 swift110 how are you mdjumethun
20:18 rom1504 he's learning english
20:21 swift110 oh ok
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21:45 Fixer tricky question
21:46 blaise strange and obscure answer
21:47 Fixer I have 2 chests on top of each other, i want to place steel door adjacent to them, how?
21:48 blaise point at different blocks, do it from the other side or different angle and use the screwdriver to turn it around
21:52 Fixer screwdriver is not helping
21:52 twoelk hold shift?
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21:55 Fixer will activate chest
21:55 Fixer but anyway
21:56 Fixer with hard trying i've managed to rotate it with screwdriver
21:56 Fixer in some nonobvious way
21:58 blaise try the sonic screwdriver, not the regular one
21:58 blaise seriously
22:00 RealBadAngel somebody fixed the screwdriver, it was easier to use before
22:00 RealBadAngel ;)
22:00 RealBadAngel sonic is working the original way
22:01 RealBadAngel but thats just my opinion
22:01 blaise =D
22:02 blaise how does one increase the difficulty?
22:02 blaise odd statement in a voxel world
22:02 RealBadAngel drop on death for example
22:03 RealBadAngel and start to watch where you are going
22:03 Fixer doors are tricky with screwdrivers
22:03 RealBadAngel doors shall be fixed
22:04 RealBadAngel screwdriver is generic tool
22:04 blaise they can turn any block, yes?
22:05 RealBadAngel param2 one, yes
22:06 RealBadAngel if the node dont want to be rotated it should register in a group "i_hate_screwdriver=1" or something like that
22:06 RealBadAngel so it will obey
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22:07 RealBadAngel atm everybody can complain, nobody can code such simple stuff
22:07 blaise lmao
22:15 VanessaE so..who is it that maintains worldedit now?
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22:26 MinetestBot [git] sapier AT gmx dot net -> minetest/minetest: Android: Remove unused build target curl_binary bde6194 http://git.io/v0578 (2015-12-17T23:00:51+01:00)
22:26 MinetestBot [git] sapier@does.not.have.an.email -> minetest/minetest: Android: Don't put html docs to apk dcb91cf http://git.io/v0574 (2015-12-17T23:00:43+01:00)
22:26 MinetestBot [git] sapier@does.not.have.an.email -> minetest/minetest: Android: Remove non freetype fonts from apk a3fd167 http://git.io/v057B (2015-12-17T23:00:31+01:00)
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22:39 LazyJ Hmm... while this string of Minetest updates is happening, maybe I should post an Issue about the cache being written in odd places.
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22:50 blaise lmao
22:50 blaise what minetest update?
22:54 LazyJ December 15th's, 9eee3c3.
22:55 LazyJ The cache is written to whatever directory is above the directory that minetest was started from.
22:55 LazyJ In my case, I use a script so I can start MT from any place in the terminal.
22:55 LazyJ It has worked for the past couple years until this or and earlier dev release.
22:56 LazyJ "cache" started appearing in strange places.
22:59 Fixer RealBadAngel, screwdriver is ok, trick is that door consists of two blocks, and two rotate it 180deg, you need to rotate bottom part, then activate upper one, or smth like that
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22:59 RealBadAngel fixer, then maye node should have "on_screwdriver"
23:00 RealBadAngel so it will be able to handle it on its own
23:00 RealBadAngel btw, why not makin a door mesh?
23:01 RealBadAngel nodeboxes are just simulated since quite a while
23:01 RealBadAngel ingame there are meshes
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23:28 Fixer RealBadAngel, it is not important right now imho, look other instead: http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2015-12-16#i_4476113, http://irc.minetest.ru/minet​est-dev/2015-12-16#i_4476116
23:30 RealBadAngel Fixer, mesh genereation is done is separate thread already
23:30 RealBadAngel out of main loop
23:30 Fixer RealBadAngel, it is not that
23:30 RealBadAngel ofc it is
23:31 Fixer RealBadAngel, queue should be emptied once every rendered frame
23:31 Fixer RealBadAngel, one mesh per rendering frame
23:31 RealBadAngel we dont do it like that
23:31 Fixer RealBadAngel, that is causing stutter imho
23:31 RealBadAngel theres one mesh per each mapblock
23:31 RealBadAngel 16x16x16 nodes
23:32 XeonSquared man cubic chunks is awesome
23:32 blaise I don't get any noticable stutter
23:32 RealBadAngel also, rendering time depends on other things
23:32 RealBadAngel how many polygons are there
23:33 RealBadAngel or how much often SERVER requires client to regen mesh
23:34 Fixer RealBadAngel, does not matter, you don't need to process that much in each rendering frame, make it slower and smoother instead, now it creates huge spikes from 15ms->60ms because it generated 30 meshes in limited time imho
23:35 Fixer say, slow down it so it renders with 16ms rendering frame + 1 ms of mesh gen
23:35 Fixer smth like that
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23:37 Fixer RealBadAngel, i've tried super simple flatgen mod without anything, soil only, mesh gen slow downs it 2x-3x (or at least it seems that it is the cause)
23:37 Fixer by looking at F5 graphs
23:38 Fixer but maybe i'm wrong
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23:42 Fixer blaise, to see stutters you can try singleplayer, or limiting your view to get good fps (at least 60 for example)
23:44 blaise hrmm
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23:46 Fixer blaise, turn on graphs with F5 and look at mainloop_draw
23:46 Fixer blaise, then walk and pay attention to it
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23:47 rubenwardy !title https://twitter.com/rubenwar​dy/status/677635381806948352
23:47 MinetestBot rubenwardy: rubenwardy op Twitter: "Made an infinite and generic Born/Survive Game of Life-style simulator. #CLang #GoL #ComputerScience #UoB #UoBristol https://t[...]
23:47 rubenwardy Yay C!
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23:51 blaise :)
23:51 blaise Fixer: I'm working with an ati radeon rs690m
23:51 blaise aka radeon x1200
23:52 Fixer blaise, aha, it is low end, it is slow as it is :}
23:54 blaise yes, it doesn't need help
23:54 blaise lmao

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