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05:34 nanepiwo on my server, the papyrus and grass are unknown nodes, even though they are defined in default, and im using that mod. how could that be possible?
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05:39 swift110-phone Hey freefull
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06:02 Guest24890 Anyone else having trouble getting the latest release of irrlicht to build?
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06:10 swift110-phone I've only played a few time
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06:54 OldCoder Announcing a new world under test:
06:54 OldCoder server minetest.org port 30025 name Wizard School
06:54 OldCoder Any resemblance to trademarked buildings is coincidental
06:54 OldCoder CWz, ^
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07:10 nanepiwo new world!
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07:52 rubenwardy damn it OldCoder ;)
07:53 rubenwardy I've been writing such a subgame to host a server like that
07:53 rubenwardy although it doesn't work yet
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07:57 rubenwardy I sort of moved off it to other things
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10:16 grandchaos9000 I can't wait to update package of Minetest 0.4.13 for Arch(-based) GNU/Linux later.
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10:22 ElectronLibre Hmm, is it normal that the topic still says "Last Release: 0.4.12"?
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10:25 rubenwardy they obviously forgot
10:25 rubenwardy sfan5
10:26 ElectronLibre Yes, that was not really a question, but a polite reminder.
10:27 ElectronLibre I checked both Minetest Game's and Minetest's 0.4.13 tags and they were present, and kilbith just asked to update the download page on the dev channel. Plus, the topic on #minetest-dev says that it was released yesterday, so, it was an obvious forgetting.
10:30 nanepiwo where do I ask for server help? here, on inchra?
10:31 ElectronLibre It depends on what kind of question you have.
10:32 nanepiwo on my server, the papyrus and grass are unknown nodes, even though they are defined in default, and im using that mod.
10:34 ElectronLibre Weird. Could you check their itemstrings? (Debug informations, while pointing the unknown node)
10:35 nanepiwo default:papyrus
10:35 nanepiwo I think, I'll check again
10:35 ElectronLibre Just to be sure.
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11:43 sfan5 !op
11:43 Topic for #minetest is now Welcome to #minetest, the official Minetest channel | Latest version: 0.4.13 (2015-08-20) | Responses may take a while, so be patient. | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
11:43 ElectronLibre Thanks sfan5.
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12:34 WSDguy2014 Hey Darcidride, new version 0.4.13 has been released
12:35 WSDguy2014 guys, forgot need add bowl and mushroom stew to the game
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12:36 ElectronLibre WSDguy2014: Darcidride planned to upgrade all of his serveurs to 0.4.13 in a few weeks as far as I remember.
12:36 WSDguy2014 to craft bowl needs 3 any wooden planks, then needs brown mushroom + red mushroom + bowl = mushroom stew
12:37 WSDguy2014 its Minecraft-like
12:37 Darcidride Hi
12:37 WSDguy2014 if you eat with mushroom stew, heals 4 hearts
12:38 WSDguy2014 Hello Darcidride
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12:47 VanessaE WSDguy2014: that's squarely in the real of a mod, probably rubenwardy's food mod
12:47 VanessaE realm*
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12:48 H-H-H hey VanessaE would it not have made snece to add the mushroom stew with the mushrooms when they were added to minetest_game
12:50 RealBadAngel thats ridiculous, those hacked clients
12:50 RealBadAngel folks are flying around on skyblock servers and killing players for their own sick fun
12:51 RealBadAngel and yet im blamed for some gfx effect not lookin good and marked as a blocker
12:51 H-H-H o goodie someone else to ignore
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12:52 RealBadAngel in case somebody havent noticed that, this issue is effectively makin multiplayer unplayable
12:54 WSDguy2014 VanessaE: Yes, but need add Bowl and Mushroom Stew to the minetest_game, eating Mushroom Stew, heals 4 hearts, must be not stackable
12:55 RealBadAngel ha ha ha, a bowl is really more important than a kid flying around and killing the players
12:55 RealBadAngel agree, you just won a super bowl
12:55 VanessaE WSDguy2014: you want those things because they're MC-like, but this ain't MC.
12:56 WSDguy2014 VanessaE: Crafting 4 Bowls needs "3 any Wooden Planks = 4 Bowls" and crafting Mushroom Stew needs "Brown Mushroom + Red Mushroom + Bowl = Mushroom Stew"
12:56 WSDguy2014 RealBadAngel: Thanks :D
12:57 WSDguy2014 VanessaE: Developers need to release version 0.4.13_1 for small update example with changelog "Added Bowl and Mushroom Stew to the minetest_game, eating Mushroom Stew, heals 4 hearts"
12:58 VanessaE WSDguy2014: no.
12:58 VanessaE that's for a mod to add.
12:58 WSDguy2014 VanessaE: why?
12:58 WSDguy2014 VanessaE: okay
12:58 VanessaE because minetest_game doesn't need it.
12:58 VanessaE it is NOT an MC clone.
12:59 WSDguy2014 VanessaE: but Mushrooms has been added in version 0.4.13
12:59 VanessaE so?
12:59 VanessaE that's like saying that because we have apples, we should have e.g. apple pie.
12:59 WSDguy2014 you can eat mushooms like on old version Survival Test from Minecraft
13:02 VanessaE again, this ain't minecraft.
13:02 VanessaE none of the devs have any interest in trying to clone MC.
13:05 jojoa1997 VanessaE HOW DARE THIS NOT BE MINECRAFT!!!
13:05 WSDguy2014 VanessaE: Look at Minecraft Wiki, goddamit, http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Survival_Test
13:05 VanessaE haha
13:06 VanessaE WSDguy2014: THIS IS NOT MINECRAFT.
13:07 WSDguy2014 VanessaE: I SAID MINETEST ITS BEST, LIKE MINECRAFT
13:07 jojoa1997 I suggest we change the name to Minecraft3.0
13:07 ElectronLibre Calm down on the cap locks please. It's not capslocks day yet.
13:07 ElectronLibre s/cap/caps
13:07 WSDguy2014 jojoa1997: nope, its bad idea to rename it
13:08 jojoa1997 Its a PERFECT IDEA(i use shift :P)
13:08 ElectronLibre WSDguy2014: It's a bad idea to copy it.
13:08 RealBadAngel WSDguy2014, more time will pass more mt will be different from mc
13:08 jojoa1997 RealBadAngel you did a good job with the shaders
13:08 RealBadAngel and asking for it being similar wont help
13:08 VanessaE WSDguy2014: my point is, I don't care about anything on minecraft's wiki, nor do most of the core devs.
13:09 VanessaE you want mushroom soup, get rubenwardy to add it to his food mod, and use thant.
13:09 VanessaE that*
13:09 rubenwardy cba right now :P
13:09 RealBadAngel jojoa1997, what i did it was just a begining
13:09 rubenwardy Attempting to master SFML
13:09 jojoa1997 WSDguy2014 if you want minecraft go here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7427
13:09 jojoa1997 though i havent updated it in forever
13:10 WSDguy2014 in version 0.4.13 Glitched wield item is STILL NOT FIXED. GODDAMIT!!!1!11!(((
13:10 ElectronLibre What glitch?
13:11 VanessaE WSDguy2014: 0.4.13 is not the final release you know.
13:11 ElectronLibre And also, don't shout like that, you will get not respond because people won't read what you wrote, in the worst cases you could even get mutted/banned.
13:12 ElectronLibre s/respond/responses
13:12 VanessaE WSDguy2014: there will be a 0.4.14 release soon as well -- couple months off, is the plan.
13:12 WSDguy2014 0.4.13 has been released
13:12 VanessaE yeah and it's not the last release that'll ever be made
13:13 Amaz Hopefully ;)
13:13 WSDguy2014 ElectronLibre: link http://imgur.com/a/6ZAgm <--- Click
13:13 ElectronLibre !title
13:13 MinetestBot ElectronLibre: Normal and Glitched Wield item in Minetest - Album on Imgur
13:14 WSDguy2014 ElectronLibre: for what?
13:14 VanessaE WSDguy2014: we know what the wield glitch it, and there's already a github issue for it
13:14 VanessaE is*
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13:14 ElectronLibre Oh, that.
13:14 WSDguy2014 ElectronLibre: who suported to add glithced wield item?
13:14 ElectronLibre I don't have that glitch, but I'm not sure if it's from a shader or the engine, or Minetest Game.
13:15 ElectronLibre WSDguy2014: If debugging is when you remove bugs from a source code, then programming is when you add some? There will always be bugs as long as Minetest is not finished.
13:15 ElectronLibre And it won't be finished soon.
13:16 WSDguy2014 Developers won't fix glithced wield item
13:16 ElectronLibre They will.
13:16 WSDguy2014 Developers are WORST
13:17 ElectronLibre One day or another they will have to. Someone will find a way to fix that.
13:17 WSDguy2014 :''(
13:17 ElectronLibre Without the developers you wouldn't have Minetest as it is now and at best you would have something closer to what was 0.3, and even 0.3 had good developers.
13:18 ElectronLibre So stop whining, wait, and have faith in the developers.
13:21 WSDguy2014 i am playing on old version 0.3.1, chest have items, after rejoin world, chest have items are removed :(
13:21 WSDguy2014 i think items are disapeard
13:21 jojoa1997 must hold back
13:21 ElectronLibre jojoa1997: I should not have started talking. Don't do the same mistake.
13:22 jojoa1997 sorry "i think the items have disapeared"
13:22 H-H-H well said ElectronLibre
13:22 * H-H-H shuts up to
13:22 ElectronLibre And then people wonder why I don't play Minetest on multiplayer servers.
13:22 * ElectronLibre shuts up as well
13:22 jojoa1997 ElectronLibre I am not the ignorant troll who didnt know he was trolling anymore
13:23 WSDguy2014 because i am played on singleplayer world
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13:23 jojoa1997 ElectronLibre at least you play minetest. I havent run MT in months. (just not enough time/want)
13:23 ElectronLibre jojoa1997: Good. But I don't remember anything bad you did, so I can't tell.
13:23 ElectronLibre H-H-H: Instead of shutting up, use the /ignore command, that's a great command.
13:24 jojoa1997 i dont think i exactly trolled. I think i was just too random and talked too much
13:24 WSDguy2014 bye
13:25 ElectronLibre jojoa1997: The only times I launch minetest is when I'm coding a mod. Otherwise, I don't use it. I only start minetest when I need to fix something on one of my mods, or work for Darcidride's servers.
13:25 H-H-H i already did for one other in this chan
13:25 ElectronLibre So "playing" is a big word.
13:25 ElectronLibre He's gone anyway.
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13:28 jojoa1997 hehe developers of minetest(mods and engine) spend less and less time actually playing and more and more time coding
13:29 RealBadAngel i do actually play the game
13:29 VanessaE most of the devs don't play at all, jojoa1997
13:29 ElectronLibre I think I only spend my time coding. I don't play the game anymore.
13:29 RealBadAngel which raises the question to stormchaser
13:30 jojoa1997 VanessaE yeah isnt it ironic
13:30 RealBadAngel where the fuck is my obsidian tower i built for so long
13:30 VanessaE RealBadAngel: he talked of resetting the map
13:30 ElectronLibre When you're able to understand the inners of Minetest Game, able to create and destroy everything by removing the correct files, the game is not funny anymore.
13:30 RealBadAngel great
13:30 VanessaE his VPS doesn't have enough RAM to run Skyblock plus the other two servers.
13:30 RealBadAngel i spent almost a week on it and have it not finished
13:30 VanessaE however, I think Sokomine has a partial copy of the map
13:31 VanessaE and yeah, I'm upset too, I had a pretty nice little house and orchard going there.
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13:31 RealBadAngel my tower was the biggest thing ever i built in mt :(
13:33 VanessaE yep, looks like he reset the map.
13:33 VanessaE my stuff's gone.
13:34 RealBadAngel pity
13:35 RealBadAngel that tower was really NICE
13:35 RealBadAngel wonder if i have any screenshots of it
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13:36 TBC_x I didn't know that minetest has a keygen
13:36 RealBadAngel not on this system
13:36 * RealBadAngel cries
13:36 Amaz stormchaser might have a copy of the map.
13:37 RealBadAngel if he wont i will insist him help rebuilding the tower. definitely ;)
13:37 WSDguy2014 jojoa1997: i have problem, i puting on crafting table item slot, pressing ESC, then right-click on crafting table, my item is disapears. can you fix this bug?
13:38 H-H-H <WSDguy2014> i am playing on old version 0.3.1
13:38 RealBadAngel WSDguy2014, please report that on github, wiht description how exactly to reproduce the bug
13:38 H-H-H so i doubt it
13:38 WSDguy2014 sorry, no
13:38 RealBadAngel WSDguy2014, also you have to say which version of the game youre using
13:39 WSDguy2014 RealBadAngel: i am playing on subgame Overcraft Origins
13:39 WSDguy2014 my version is 0.4.13
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13:40 jojoa1997 WSDguy2014 i think it might be versioning problems. I never had that problem. Also i cant really fix it cause i am at work
13:40 jojoa1997 and I havent coded in lua in forever so i might not even be able to fix it.
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13:42 WSDguy2014 jojoa1997: i am recommended to play on subgame Overcraft Origins?
13:42 Donillo about glitched wielded items, I've seen something similar on Android
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13:43 YuGiOhJCJ hello that's strange since I set a static spawn point on my minetest server, some players are complaining to spawn at an other place where they can't escape (under the ground)
13:43 jojoa1997 WSDguy2014 sure do what you want
13:44 YuGiOhJCJ each time I try myself to join my server with a new account I have no problem... but it happens sometime
13:44 YuGiOhJCJ I set the point to 0, 50, 0 so it should always be there isn't it?
13:44 Donillo In past I've experienced some bug which can get you underground sometimes
13:45 Donillo I think it is somewhat related to WARNING: updateListener: invalid value
13:46 Donillo I don't remember well through :/
13:46 WSDguy2014 jojoa1997: in crafting table, i putting input item slot on wood, then pressing escape, item drops, not disapearing
13:47 jojoa1997 ok then it is all good
13:48 WSDguy2014 jojoa1997: now you fix this bug thing?
13:48 jojoa1997 huh?
13:48 jojoa1997 it is supposed to drop
13:49 jojoa1997 im sorry i cant talk right now. I have a coworker needing something
13:49 YuGiOhJCJ I think I will remove this static spawn point
13:53 YuGiOhJCJ how to unset a variable ?
13:53 YuGiOhJCJ I have done something like that: "/set -n static_spawnpoint x,y,z"
13:53 YuGiOhJCJ is there an "/unset" command?
14:00 RealBadAngel YuGiOhJCJ, set it in config file
14:01 RealBadAngel i mean shut down the server, set variable(s) you need and restart it
14:01 RealBadAngel the change will be permament then
14:02 YuGiOhJCJ oh I will do that when no players are on my server
14:03 RealBadAngel just inform them youre going to do maintenance shutdown
14:03 RealBadAngel they will understand
14:04 RealBadAngel doing such without notification is bad, but when u inform users what are you doing thats normal
14:04 RealBadAngel such things just happens in online gaming
14:06 RealBadAngel they can go out for a minute to piss, have a tea or meet love of their life ;)
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14:24 YuGiOhJCJ ahah :p
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14:47 WSDguy2014 jojoa1997: Hey, i have problem on subgame Overcraft Origins, im placing torch on ceiling, will drops 2 torches, instead of 1, i think is duplication glitch
14:49 jojoa1997 WSDguy2014 you could add an issue here if you want but I cant garantee that I will fix it. https://github.com/jojoa199​7/overcraft_origins/issues
14:49 jojoa1997 its jsut that saying them in here i will forget since it isnt exactly a priority for me
14:50 WSDguy2014 jojoa1997: you need to test it, to place torch on ceiling
14:51 WSDguy2014 drops 2, instead of 1
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14:52 jojoa1997 WSDguy2014 Im sorry. I am in work so i cant even change the code for a while. An i havent worked on it since the beggining of the year. I might or might not contiunue working on it since school is a priority. Also i said make the issues on github because I will probably forget about it by the time i get home
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15:02 WSDguy2014 jojoa1997: i registered and created issues
15:03 jojoa1997 (^.^)b
15:04 jojoa1997 !time
15:04 jojoa1997 are you new WSDguy2014 ?
15:04 WSDguy2014 jojoa1997: Yes
15:05 jojoa1997 I suggest you also make an account on freenode so you can protect your name.
15:05 jojoa1997 For example if you were to leave I could do /nick WSDguy2014 and i could take your nick
15:06 RealBadAngel jojoa1997, dont forget to buy pills
15:06 jojoa1997 also I would suggest using a client like hexchat for irc since it is way better than the web version
15:06 jojoa1997 RealBadAngel huh?
15:07 RealBadAngel otherwise you will forgot about you shouldnt forget
15:07 RealBadAngel so the first step are pills ;)
15:08 jojoa1997 huh?
15:08 WSDguy2014 jojoa1997: if you seen that? click Here ---> https://github.com/jojoa1997​/overcraft_origins/issues/4
15:08 RealBadAngel the beggining of the year. I might or might not contiunue working on it since school is a priority. Also i said make the issues on github because I will probably forget about it by the time i get home
15:08 RealBadAngel * H-H-H (~H-H-H@host-92-4-83-178.as43234.net) wchodzi do pokoju #minetest
15:09 RealBadAngel get the damn pills
15:09 RealBadAngel recesion is already happening :P
15:10 jojoa1997 omg spleef arena
15:10 jojoa1997 I remember that
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15:11 xenkey me too
15:11 xenkey oh hey its jojoa1337
15:11 H-H-H hmm i got pinged like someone said my name but no one did lol
15:12 jojoa1997 <RealBadAngel> * H-H-H (~H-H-H@host-92-4-83-178.as43234.net) wchodzi do
15:12 jojoa1997 xenkey who are you?
15:13 xenkey jojoa1997: why ask such a dumb question
15:13 H-H-H ahh ok it was rba they r on my ignore list thats why i didnt see it :)
15:14 Donillo why ever use ignores?
15:14 RealBadAngel im on a ignore list? lol
15:14 Donillo H-H-H: 15:14 < RealBadAngel> im on a ignore list? lol
15:14 RealBadAngel gimme your ip i will hardcode ban for you :P
15:14 H-H-H why not lol it does what it needs to
15:15 Donillo well, you are missing a lot
15:15 H-H-H o well im sure i will survive
15:15 jojoa1997 xenkey sorry but i dont remember you
15:15 xenkey BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW ME
15:15 xenkey why do you think you know me
15:16 Donillo xenkey: I don't know who you are as well :)
15:16 jojoa1997 your name sounds familier
15:16 xenkey OH WOW IS THIS DAY THE DAY OF MISTER OBVIOUS
15:16 Donillo wth
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15:16 jojoa1997 and it has been a while since someone has called me jojoa1337
15:16 jojoa1997 like months
15:16 jojoa1997 everyone was changing into names similiar to mine one day
15:17 xenkey great.
15:17 xenkey good for you.
15:17 RealBadAngel anyway, see ya folks, going afk
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15:54 Samson1 When I enable shaders , all the textures go shades of red
15:54 Samson1 It only happened since I upgraded to 0.4.13
15:54 VanessaE disable them.
15:55 VanessaE MT's shaders are kinda stupid right now
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15:55 VanessaE (they don't auto-adapt to GPUs that run older versions of opengl/glsl)
15:55 Samson1 I see
15:56 Samson1 Is there a bug report about it that I could follow?
15:56 VanessaE not directly
15:56 VanessaE rather, there's a plan to add "simple" shaders that work like the old ones used to.
15:57 Samson1 So it's partly a limitation of my GPU?
15:57 VanessaE no
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15:58 VanessaE it's a limitation of the version of OpenGL you use - minetest's shaders are trying to do too much.  it's a MT problem
15:59 Samson1 Ok, thanks
16:00 VanessaE it should be fixed soon
16:01 Samson1 Good to know, thanks :)
16:01 Samson1 I'll be patient
16:01 VanessaE the plan is more or less to borrow the old shaders code from around the 0.4.9-10 timeframe (?) and retune it as needed
16:01 VanessaE though how that'll happen in reality is a different matter :)
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16:27 CWz hmm 2015-08-21 19:27:35: ERROR[CurlFetchThread]: servers.minetest.net/announce not found (Couldn't connect to server) (response code 0)
16:28 CWz is there a "magic trick" to solve that?
16:28 VanessaE looks like it's not working for me either,
16:28 VanessaE in the browser.
16:29 rubenwardy wtf is response code 0?
16:29 rubenwardy DNS?
16:30 VanessaE empty response
16:31 VanessaE (there is no http code 0)
16:31 rubenwardy Is `const Classname *a;` a constant pointer to an object which you can change? For example you can do a->one = b; but not a = b
16:31 rubenwardy V++
16:31 rubenwardy * C++
16:32 Samson1 VanessaE, actually there's more to the story... I noticed some other things were weird since the upgrade, like the player looked a bit blurry
16:32 VanessaE Samson1: turn off filtering
16:32 Samson1 I deleted my config and everything worked fine, including shaders
16:32 VanessaE wait what?
16:32 Samson1 I traced it down to this line in my config: video_driver = burningsvideo
16:32 Samson1 No idea what it is
16:32 VanessaE Ah
16:32 VanessaE ok
16:32 VanessaE well that's a software-only video driver
16:32 VanessaE which you should never use
16:33 Samson1 Aha, well it all works now so I'm happy - thanks for the help :)
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16:57 johnwayne1986 rubenwardy: no, you can write it IMHO easier as Classname const* a, see here for an example: http://ideone.com/7ceAoT
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17:09 Donillo is there are mods like ComputerCraft?
17:09 Donillo or at least some interface for player to interact with Lua Controller from mesecons?
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17:12 nore Donillo: you can try https://github.com/Ekdohibs/turtle if you know how to program in Forth
17:13 Donillo looks interesting, thanks
17:14 Donillo btw, what digilines can do?
17:15 kahrl Donillo: also https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=12705
17:18 VanessaE Donillo: it's a data connection, vageuly similar to the old 10Base2
17:18 VanessaE vaguely*
17:18 VanessaE you pass messages back and forth across a wire, and receivers on the wire listen and react to those messages
17:18 VanessaE unlike mesecons, which is more like TTL
17:21 VanessaE cornernote: *poke*
17:28 Donillo os.execute() - hahawhat?
17:30 CWz anyone know how to suppress the PLAYER joined/left the game message if a certain player(Owner) joins
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17:30 Donillo CWz: I don't know, you should not forget about /status :)
17:31 CWz I'm pretty sure it can only be done by modifying server.cpp and i did try it but i failed.
17:31 CWz i really am not bothered by /status since most player don't know how to use chatcommands or use chat
17:32 Donillo Just give ban privilege to unsuspecious account :)
17:32 Donillo I've got your idea right, you wanna catch griefers or cheaters?
17:37 rubenwardy rubenwardy@rubenPC:~/dev/minetest$ grep -nr "joined" src/*
17:37 rubenwardy src/server.cpp:1142:message += L" joined the game.";
17:38 rubenwardy rubenwardy@rubenPC:~/dev/minetest$ grep -nr "left the game" src/*
17:38 rubenwardy src/server.cpp:2661:message += L" left the game.";
17:38 rubenwardy those are the lines
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17:43 CWz sorry connection dropped
17:43 Donillo 17:32 < Donillo> Just give ban privilege to unsuspecious account :)
17:43 Donillo 17:32 < Donillo> I've got your idea right, you wanna catch griefers or cheaters?
17:44 Donillo also:
17:44 Donillo 17:37 < rubenwardy> rubenwardy@rubenPC:~/dev/minetest$ grep -nr "joined" src/*
17:44 Donillo 17:37 < rubenwardy> src/server.cpp:1142:IIImessage += L" joined the game.";
17:44 Donillo 17:38 < rubenwardy> rubenwardy@rubenPC:~/dev/minetest$ grep -nr "left the game" src/*
17:44 Donillo 17:38 < rubenwardy> src/server.cpp:2661:IIIImessage += L" left the game.";
17:44 Donillo was kicked by ShadowBot: Message flood detected.
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17:44 Donillo four lines from rubenwardy?
17:44 sfan5 yes ShadowBot is stupid
17:45 Donillo I don't think anti-flood protection is important here
17:45 Donillo freenode already have it's "Excess Flood" thing
17:45 sfan5 !deop ShadowBot indeed
17:46 xenkey :D
17:46 rubenwardy TIL how cool GDB can be
17:46 rubenwardy list, break, cont, step
17:46 sfan5 how did you not know that?
17:46 sfan5 gdb is not just the "gimme a backtrace program"
17:47 rubenwardy I knew it could do it, just not how
17:47 rubenwardy also, running commands on breakpoints
17:47 rubenwardy like automatted without pausing
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17:52 Ataron Do anyone know why I have blue glitchy blocks when I use Minetest 0.4.13 release : https://lut.im/MOQFtsLh/KLPHfl0B ?
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17:57 Donillo Ataron: disable shaders
17:58 Donillo there is some new bug introduced :/
17:58 Ataron I disable all
17:58 Ataron :S
17:59 Ataron disabled*
17:59 CWz what bug
17:59 ElectronLibre Something shaped like this apparently : https://lut.im/MOQFtsLh/KLPHfl0B
18:01 CWz ElectronLibre: looks mildly trippy
18:01 ElectronLibre And apparently shaders were disabled at the moment that screenshot was taken.
18:02 Ataron I find
18:03 Ataron I forgot a shader case sorry :s
18:03 Ataron box*
18:03 VanessaE so it works now?
18:04 ElectronLibre Ok nevermind. Shaders errors again and again.
18:04 Ataron Yes sorry :)
18:04 VanessaE that's two today..
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18:11 israuor hello mintetesters
18:11 israuor does anybody know if it's posssible to switch from v6 mapgenerator to v7 ?
18:12 VanessaE either edit your world'
18:12 rubenwardy not without breaking your map
18:12 Calinou israuor, possible, but not advised at all
18:12 VanessaE ... or what he said.
18:12 rubenwardy ie: it will make cliffs
18:12 israuor I can imagine ;)
18:12 rubenwardy world.mt iirc
18:13 israuor I think with cliffs we could live ;)
18:15 rubenwardy go to your world folder, open map_meta.txt in a plaintext editor
18:15 rubenwardy (eg: wordpad, notepad, notepad++)
18:16 rubenwardy change mg_name = v6 to mg_name = v7
18:16 israuor I'd prefer vim :)
18:16 rubenwardy vim's good
18:16 rubenwardy I use Atom and mousepad
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18:17 israuor have you tried it ?
18:17 israuor do you have screenshots of the cliffs maybe ?
18:17 rubenwardy this pretty much: https://imgrush.com/k1DNLD60ey35.png
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18:18 israuor that could be pretty dangerous if lava's coming out, no ?
18:18 VanessaE rubenwardy: grass over sandstone? O_o
18:19 rubenwardy from here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3088
18:19 rubenwardy I had that image open in my browser behind IRC
18:21 technics_ hmm that biome-change screenshot looks not very cool :(
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18:23 Amaz VanessaE, https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/bl​ob/master/mods/default/mapgen.lua#L500-L515
18:23 VanessaE intersting.
18:23 VanessaE +e
18:24 VanessaE I need to look into mgv7 a bit mroe then :P
18:25 CWz wow my creative server so far suffered only 2 midrange griefer incidents
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18:27 CWz i wonder when all of the youngsters will start asking for when  is 0.4.14 comingout
18:29 Emperor_Genshin Probably around 10 months after 0.4.13 release perhaps.
18:29 VanessaE more like 2 months
18:29 VanessaE that's the plan anyway
18:29 VanessaE bbl
18:29 CWz i remember the days of 0.4.7
18:31 rubenwardy CWz
18:31 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/vi​ewtopic.php?p=187809#p187809
18:31 ElectronLibre That was about.. 1 year and a half ago?
18:31 Emperor_Genshin 1.4.14?
18:31 Emperor_Genshin lol
18:32 CWz wow
18:32 ElectronLibre 1.4.14,
18:32 ElectronLibre The only way to get it would be a time machine.
18:32 Emperor_Genshin yep
18:33 ElectronLibre Or a gate to travel to some kind of parallel timeline.
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18:33 Emperor_Genshin Stargate?
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18:34 Emperor_Genshin Nah
18:35 CWz I will hop into my Delorean.
18:36 ElectronLibre I don't recall what speed you need to hit exactly but good luck then.
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18:36 ElectronLibre I've not seen that movie in a while...
18:37 CWz When this baby hits 88 miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious sh*t
18:37 Emperor_Genshin 88 mph, kek
18:39 Emperor_Genshin Man, back to the future was a great movie, good times.
18:39 CWz i don't think a real Delorean can go that fast
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18:45 israuor I guess I'm convinced tchncs, I don't want map generator v7 anymore ;)
18:47 israuor That would be too much work for me then ;)
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19:05 * CWz wonders if she should ask VanessaE to add whoopee cushions to homedecor
19:05 CWz *he
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19:06 CWz I might make a whoopee cushions block mod or something
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19:15 STHGOM i wonder if hey could've coasted down a big hill fast enough to hit 88 in the last one
19:19 CWz Caja just crashed
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19:30 Megaf_ VanessaE: ping
19:30 CWz hmm i can get sound to work
19:31 CWz for block
19:31 rubenwardy homedecor is bloated enough
19:31 rubenwardy make a standalone mod :P
19:31 CWz how does one difine sound  in nodes though
19:32 CWz i can't seem to get the sound to play
19:32 CWz i will have a look at minetest_game
19:32 VanessaE Megaf_: pong. https://github.com/VanessaE/moretrees/commi​t/8e0eeb5747ebe204ea71f1026d5fc2e5c8e0fc58
19:32 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3162-L3166
19:34 Megaf_ VanessaE: heh, Thanks a million. That kind of thing happens. :D
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19:34 VanessaE yep
19:36 VanessaE just an artifact of getting the jungle/birch/fir growth working again.  biome_lib filters-out "foo:bar" in strings (because it expects them to be nodes) at the mapgen reg stage, but not in the grow_plants() call
19:36 VanessaE that's why they only broke when trying to grow a sapling, rather than at mapgen time
19:37 CWz ok can't get the sound to work
19:37 Megaf_ VanessaE: yep, as expected it's fixed now indeed
19:37 brothersome CWz, have you build minetest with the sound option on?
19:37 Megaf_ brb
19:38 CWz not related to my problom
19:38 CWz i am tying to makea a whoopy cushion block
19:44 Donillo why sandstone does same sound as dirt when digged by hand?
19:44 CWz ok i issue sloved
19:55 rubenwardy Donillo, because sounds in Minetest suck
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19:56 Donillo I can't find clay
19:56 Donillo :/
19:57 brothersome Perhaps you can make clay - 2 cobble - 2 dirt - 1 water?
19:57 Donillo does not look like that
19:57 Donillo only from natural block
19:58 brothersome Ok, in linuxgaming.us you can create clay
19:58 Donillo x_x
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20:02 Donillo damn those lighting glitches
20:03 rubenwardy look near water and sand
20:04 Donillo omfg!
20:04 Donillo FOUR (!) blocks of clay, after endless searches!
20:04 Donillo haha
20:05 brothersome Donillo, on what server are you?
20:05 Donillo HEAD
20:05 Donillo my own server, latest git version
20:06 Donillo 0.4.13-dev
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20:13 Donillo got 32 clay lumps for alloy furnace
20:13 Donillo gotta say clay is way too rare
20:13 Donillo I have no idea how to build anything out of bricks
20:14 brothersome bricks makes brickstone
20:14 Donillo I talk about default:brick
20:19 Donillo I somehow climbed into 1 block high hole. just what.
20:20 Donillo being able to climb two-block high things is normal?
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20:46 TheWild why can't we switch to fullscreen at runtime?
20:46 TheWild is that Irrlicht again?
20:47 kahrl on theory it would be possible, but you would have to destroy all irrlicht objects, recreate the device with the fullscreen flag enabled and then recreate all irrlicht objects and their interrelations
20:47 kahrl in theory*
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20:49 TheWild in theory. Ok, say... the operation will take some time. Anyone tried it?
20:49 MinetestBot [git] est31 -> minetest/minetest: Fix wrong android versionName 6a1047d http://git.io/vszGa (2015-08-21T22:47:04+02:00)
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20:50 kahrl it would probably be easier to switch the whole engine to ogre3d
20:51 est31 lookin forward to seeing zenos work :)
20:51 est31 but we have to wait until he reboots to linux lol
20:51 est31 xD
20:52 VanessaE kahrl: tomorrow.
20:52 VanessaE zeno said he'll be posting his abstraction fork, which he says uses ogre.
20:52 kahrl yeah, I was kinda referencing that ;)
20:52 kahrl I can't wait for it
20:52 VanessaE it's not perfect he said, but I convinced him to release what he's got since it does work
20:53 rubenwardy TheWild, kahrl there's some technique that BuildAWorld uses to change fullscreen mode
20:53 rubenwardy BuildAWorld uses Irrlicht
20:53 rubenwardy but they fork it, iirc
20:54 kahrl right, that's another possibility
20:54 kahrl to do it directly in the device
20:56 TheWild that's... stupid. What's wrong with IrrLicht - we can pause the game and change window size without problems, but we need tricks to just switch to fullscreen.
20:56 STHGOM rubenwardy, quick! save my awesome wall i made om your ctf worldd
20:59 rubenwardy https://github.com/minetest/minetest/b​lob/master/minetest.conf.example#L210
20:59 rubenwardy set this setting to true, restart mt
21:00 TheWild and the other side: Irrlicht... Ogre3D... Many will say its to not reinvent the wheel, but why not to go deeper and touch that GL stuff. We could have better control over rendering.
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21:11 Megaf_ !server pizza
21:11 MinetestBot Megaf_: FREE PIZZA SERVER!! | 108.161.138.137 | Clients: 16/32, 12/19 | Version: 0.4.11 / minetest | Ping: 125ms
21:11 Megaf_ whats the mapgen used there?
21:11 Megaf_ !server Megaf
21:11 MinetestBot Megaf_: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/11, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
21:13 est31 0.4.13-Megaf lol
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21:25 sfan5 !server ping:least
21:25 MinetestBot sfan5: Craig's Server | minetest.davison.io | Clients: 6/50, 6/13 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / Craig-Server | Ping: 1ms
21:25 sfan5 !server players:most
21:25 MinetestBot sfan5: MINETEST ITALIA SERVER SURVIVAL | 176.31.162.215 | Clients: 48/50, 45/49 | Version: 0.4.12 / minetest | Ping: 8ms
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21:27 Donillo "Lava damage is done client side" from http://wiki.minetest.net/How_to_kill - is that true? :/
21:27 est31 yes it is
21:30 sfan5 indeed
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21:33 Donillo est31: what you meant by saying that adding protection against glitching through protected wall is against freedom?
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21:34 est31 public servers are public data, why should you restrict people from admiring your builds?
21:35 TheWild oh, that discussion, good
21:35 est31 at leasst my opinion on it :)
21:36 rubenwardy Minetest is a game engine
21:36 Donillo well, I think that may be configurable
21:36 Donillo if someone considers that part of game
21:36 TheWild please give me at least one name of open source game other than Minetest that allows walking through walls this way like minetest because preventing it would be against open-source
21:36 rubenwardy why should you be in the mind set that people only want to play creative?
21:36 Donillo personally I had to kill one guy two times who did 3 kilometers from spawn just to try kill me in my own house
21:37 rubenwardy You need to appreciate that Minetest doesn't have to be used to make MC-likes
21:38 TheWild I got the idea that walking through walls prevention could be a mod
21:38 est31 <rubenwardy> You need to appreciate that Minetest doesn't have to be used to make MC-likes
21:38 est31 ^ agreed
21:38 est31 TheWild, its very well doable from inside a mod
21:40 rubenwardy https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/3oUGvPL.png
21:41 rubenwardy appreciate the dummy cactus textures
21:41 rubenwardy basically:
21:41 rubenwardy 1. map split into map chunk
21:41 rubenwardy 2. is in theory infinite (although only 0, 0 is generated ATM)
21:41 rubenwardy oops, that's incorrect
21:41 rubenwardy I fixed that, chunks are automatically generated
21:42 rubenwardy 3. player looks at cursor, player can move. 4. no collision yet  5. has unit tests
21:42 rubenwardy A day of work (5 hours?)
21:44 est31 nice
21:45 rubenwardy Uses C++11 and SFML. Learning SFML at the same time as writing :P
21:45 rubenwardy Gave up on SDL
21:49 TheWild dang it, I'll put my cents. I liked to utilize SDL when I was trying to create my own game. It was SDL 1.something, and has good documentation and even downloadable as PDF.
21:49 rubenwardy I use SDL2
21:49 rubenwardy It's just too fiddly for me
21:49 TheWild right, SDL 2 came out with s****y documentation. I stopped using it.
21:49 rubenwardy And a pain to cmake
21:50 rubenwardy SFML is easy:      sf::CircleShape cir(32); cir.setPosition(sf::Vector2f(10, 10));  window.draw(cir);
21:51 rubenwardy anyway, time for bed
21:51 rubenwardy o/
21:51 TheWild good night
21:54 TheWild which case is more common: drop single item or drop whole stack?
21:55 est31 single items are stacks as well
21:58 TheWild eh, good point but saying "stack" I really meant something more than single item.
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22:02 Donillo TheWild: I would say "dropping whole stack"
22:03 Donillo reasons I would drop whole stack are freeing up slot temporarily if inventory is full, sharing materials with other player
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22:03 Donillo single item - no idea
22:10 TheWild I'm asking because it's again about Q and Shift+Q case. In my opinion throwing whole stack should require more effort than throwing single item, and thus Shift+Q.
22:11 israuor moin
22:11 TheWild It's also less error-prone. Say, I'm trading with someone and I want to give him single item while holding the whole stack.
22:12 TheWild and I just press Q and bang, my whole stack was dropped
22:13 israuor VanessaE: is there a reason, that I get only 1 ladder out of a bunch of sticks made of junglewood, but 4 ladders out of standard wooden sticks ?
22:13 VanessaE idk :P
22:13 israuor ?
22:13 VanessaE I don't know = idk
22:14 VanessaE unless that's an actual junglewood ladder, in which case it's probably provided by moreblocks
22:14 VanessaE and hence a different recipe than the standard ladder.
22:14 israuor no... it's still the same ladder in the end..
22:14 VanessaE strange
22:14 israuor same recipe as well
22:15 est31 still can be different recipes
22:15 VanessaE I got nuthin :)
22:15 est31 technically
22:15 est31 we dont even remove straight dupes from the recipes list
22:16 israuor when crafting a ladder with mixed sticks (regular sticks, and jungle wood sticks together) I get also only 1
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22:17 VanessaE has to be moreblocks
22:18 VanessaE minetest_game doesn't even have a jungle stick
22:19 israuor just a second.. I'm gonna check myself myself ... just deliverd information
22:20 TheWild moreblocks had a better flaw: crafting proper slopes using 4 diamond blocks and crafting them back we could get 5 diamond blocks
22:20 israuor here a  screenshot.
22:20 israuor https://mediacrush.coding4.coffee/c7cd82a61a23
22:21 israuor first one with regular "Sticks"... second one "Jungle Stick"
22:22 VanessaE odd.
22:22 VanessaE nice texture pack btw
22:22 TheWild I think it's because one rule with all normal stick is defined and produces 4 ladders
22:22 TheWild but other sticks are just by group
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22:27 israuor TheWild, in which file is this rule defined ?
22:28 TheWild I don't know, I just guess
22:28 israuor ;)
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22:30 israuor aaahh...
22:30 israuor the jungle stick isn't from moretrees
22:31 israuor probably...
22:31 VanessaE moreblocks, probably.
22:31 VanessaE (moretrees doesn't supply a jungle stick)
22:33 TheWild moreblocks:jungle_stick, but I can't find ladder definition
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22:38 TheWild I got a weird idea: When action cannot be done on a node (e.g. can't open chest), a node generates a particle with red X
22:40 VanessaE that should be doable with a mod
22:49 TheWild it looks like this: http://pasteboard.co/3tibVIO.png
22:50 TheWild it's time for me. Good bye
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23:38 Sketch2 Does anybody know what the trick is with the CNC machine in the technic mod?
23:38 * wilkgr didn't know there was a CNC machine
23:38 Sketch2 Dylan was was trying to use it, and we can't figure it out
23:39 wilkgr Ah
23:40 * wilkgr googles
23:45 Sketch2 the readme doesn't give much help - Only certain kinds of building material can be processed in the CNC machine.
23:47 wilkgr ah
23:47 wilkgr Can steel?
23:55 Jordach it requires blocks
23:55 Jordach not ingots etc
23:55 wilkgr Steel blocks?
23:55 Jordach maybe

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