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00:00 sofar Sokomine: you can post to imgur without even being on their website - see the forum reply I just posted :^)
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00:04 Sokomine sofar: looks fine. i need to try it
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00:25 Sokomine does anyone else have trouble compiling latest mt?
00:32 hmmmm nope
00:32 hmmmm what seems to be the problem with it
00:53 sofar let me try
00:53 hmmmm no it's okay
00:54 hmmmm it would be nice if you could have CI work on an entire branch...
00:56 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: Fix build on Debian broken by b45df9d (missing include, somehow?) 2b44e75 http://git.io/vJ9Qy (2015-05-05T20:40:18-04:00)
00:56 MinetestBot [git] kwolekr -> minetest/minetest: NodeDefManager: Improve const-correctness of interfaces 633af58 http://git.io/vJ9QS (2015-05-05T16:52:06-04:00)
00:57 sofar error: 'CONTAINS' was not declared in this scope
00:57 sofar fails to compile for me
00:57 hmmmm oh
00:57 hmmmm are you using upstream HEAD?
00:58 sofar usually, I don't upgrade daily though
00:59 hmmmm because that already got fixed
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00:59 sofar ? I just literally pulled in between "let me try" and "error: "
00:59 sofar ah, re-pulled and now it compiles
00:59 hmmmm software moves fast
00:59 hmmmm i upgrade my system at least 3 times a day
01:00 sofar "that got already fixed" -> "that got fixed JUST NOW"
01:02 sofar afk
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01:24 Sokomine yes, that was the problem i had, and that was why i asked. it compiles and runs fine now
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01:51 Nappi @calinou your "about" page @ http://hugo.pro/minetest.net/   has an error.
01:51 Nappi keep it simple and stupid ??
01:51 Nappi you mean keep it simple and stable right?
02:15 * sofar needs to remind Nappi about KISS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle) when he returns
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04:45 Nappi @sofar: What do you mean? you think minetest should be stupid and simple?
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04:46 Nappi According to judge judy;The phrase is "Keep it simple stupid" there is no "and" in there.
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04:54 Zeno` Court is in session!
04:54 Zeno` Propellants state your cases
04:54 * Zeno` bangs his gravel
04:56 Nappi ACK!! dude that was my hand you just hit!
04:57 Zeno` sorry
04:57 Zeno` back to your seat!
04:58 Nappi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle
04:59 Nappi I thought Minetest Devs adapted it to "Keep it Simple and Stable"
04:59 Nappi I rest my case your honor.
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05:19 sofar Nappi: KISS is an engineering mindset. It also applies to software. Note that the wikipedia entry properly places the "," in between Simple and Stupid
05:21 sofar it doesn't mean minetest should be stupid. it means that internal design of it should be something that other people can understand and work on
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05:39 sofar ugh I hate forums... I wish people could refrain from singing their "please add my xxx feature cuz cuz cuz (10 replies following saying it's needed)" songs and file a github issue instead
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06:00 Zeno` XXX?
06:00 Zeno` nvm... I'm not going with that joke
06:00 sofar actually people want to fire deferred ABM timers so plants grow while they are away
06:01 sofar in my mods case, they want their plants to die due to not being watered instantly
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08:04 TenPlus1 hi folks...  do we have anyone that knows about minetest source code in today ???
08:05 est31 what do you need TenPlus1 ?
08:05 est31 hi :)
08:06 TenPlus1 I'm trying to find the player movement code to see how it walks up half-slabs without jumping...
08:06 TenPlus1 hi est :)
08:06 hmmmm src/collision.cpp, collisionMoveSimple
08:07 TenPlus1 sweet, thank you...  I wanna try and port this over to mobs redo so they dont look stupid jumping on everything
08:07 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/blob/master/src/collision.cpp#L280
08:07 est31 ouch
08:09 TenPlus1 oh dear...  this is gonna be a bit of a read
08:10 * TenPlus1 kinda wishes that objects could use player movement routines...
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08:14 kaeza uh... stepheight or something
08:14 kaeza https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2864
08:15 kaeza TenPlus1, ^
08:15 TenPlus1 o.O  I never even know that existed... ahahahahaha...  thanks Kaeza...
08:15 TenPlus1 *knew
08:16 kaeza set that to e.g. 0.5 and mobs will be able to walk up half slabs
08:16 kaeza and sure :)
08:16 * TenPlus1 has a tast
08:17 TenPlus1 thanks again...  time to experiment :P
08:17 kaeza !next
08:17 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
08:22 Zeno` !prev
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08:35 exio4 Zeno`: satisfaction doesn't form a biarrow, sorry :>
08:42 OldCoder Hm
08:42 OldCoder Is anybody but Shadow* in communication with xyz ?
08:49 exio4 maybe pm him?
08:49 exio4 I don't know
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09:01 JamesTait Good morning all; happy No Homework Day! 😃
09:02 ElectronLibre I should get a calendar and write all these days on it.
09:05 JamesTait ElectronLibre, there are lots more, I just pick one semi-randomly.
09:06 ElectronLibre There wouldn't be enough place in one cell of the calendar so ._.
09:06 JamesTait ElectronLibre, you'd need one of those page-per-day diaries! 😃
09:08 ElectronLibre Err, too much paper would be wasted then. Nevermind.
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09:37 exio4 JamesTait: ho homework day? I wasn't going to do it anyway!
09:37 exio4 s/ho/no
09:38 JamesTait exio4, I *was* but it seems I'm not allowed. So maybe I'll get to sleep earlier. 😉
09:38 exio4 heh :P
09:38 JamesTait OTOH, I work from home, so does that mean I get the day off?
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10:32 Nappi @calinou http://irc.minetest.ru/min​etest/2015-05-06#i_4241171
10:33 Nappi "Keep it simple and stupid" just doesnt sound right
10:34 Nappi sofar obviously likes to argue without even knowing what I am trying to point out.
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10:45 Nappi @sofar: you are correct; the wikipedia entry properly places the "," in between Simple and Stupid
10:45 Nappi Calinou's website does not. Thus changing the interpretation entirely.
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10:48 Nappi WTFever it looks ridiculous and I thought he should know
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10:55 Calinou okay, will change
10:55 Calinou but that form sounds aggressive
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11:26 chchjesus KISAS
11:26 chchjesus KISSASS
11:26 chchjesus Keep it simple and stupid, stupid.
11:27 chchjesus Keep it simple and stay stupid?
11:27 chchjesus You guys were talking about the KISS principle right?
11:39 Calinou yeah
11:41 chchjesus How about YAGNI?
11:41 chchjesus Does that sound aggressive?
11:41 Calinou YAGNI?
11:41 chchjesus You ain't gonna need it
11:42 chchjesus https://en.wikipedia.org/wik​i/You_aren%27t_gonna_need_it
11:49 kahrl is this a bug? when I set enable_clouds = false it doesn't get rid of the clouds outside my window
11:51 Calinou kahrl, see #minetest-dev discussion
11:51 kahrl ahh I get it, <est31> you know that enable_clouds = false only affects in-game clouds?
11:51 Calinou menu_clouds = false
11:52 kahrl I meant the glass window, not the game window -.-
11:52 kahrl :P
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12:35 Gideon hi :)
12:38 Gideon anyone ?
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14:32 CWz "self administrated" servers seem to be on the rise
14:32 CWz well almost
14:34 CWz ac_minetest: are you "rnd"
14:35 ac_minetest CWz yes
14:37 CWz there is this user raging about being unjustly banned from your server
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14:41 Sokomine CWz: normal on rnd's server. it used to be possible to just open the door with another character. beeing jailed on rnd's server has got absolutely nothing to do with having done something wrong. it's just random cruelty, applied by scripts
14:41 Sokomine still, the server is very intresting as far as fighting against mobs goes. that is very well handled
14:45 ac_minetest sokomine: noone gets "banned" automatically on my server. there is only jail penalty for editing inside other ppl protector zone. if he got banned some admin must have  banned him
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15:45 * CWz wonders if it possible to have a build priv that is independent from interact.
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16:04 TheWild Guess what is more intuitive to throw single item., Q or Shift+Q?
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16:07 rubenwardy Hi all!
16:09 rubenwardy Has anyone got a script to save debug.txt into debug_[y]_[m]_[d].txt?
16:10 kahrl I think you could do that with logrotate
16:18 rubenwardy Would I need to stop Minetest?
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17:28 ClaudeRoy .
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18:16 CWz rubenwardy: i think this mod is broken https://github.com/rubenwardy/privilegeareas
18:16 rubenwardy Probably
18:17 CWz That is unfortunate pretty useful mod
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18:18 ElectronLibre CWz, in which way is it broken?
18:19 rubenwardy It works fine, but no edit
18:19 rubenwardy and hard to use
18:19 ElectronLibre (Launching my test server, got a missing EndEnvArg error, I hate that)
18:19 CWz it doesn't seem to effect player privs
18:19 CWz *affect
18:19 ElectronLibre My env_meta.txt file is empty what the? ._.
18:20 rubenwardy It does for me. You need to set it up, it's rather painful.
18:20 rubenwardy Does it say "you have entered area 1" etc?
18:20 CWz yes
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18:21 rubenwardy and does it say "you have been given these privs:"
18:22 CWz yes
18:22 rubenwardy Are you playing as singleplayer?
18:23 CWz no, i was using multiplayer and was testing with another "player"
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18:25 stormchaser3000 hi
18:25 rubenwardy It's probably Minetest's problem
18:26 stormchaser3000 wth i meant to join the inchra network
18:28 rubenwardy How I hate two year old code
18:29 rubenwardy What is the best way for Minetest to pass chat messages to a python webserver?
18:30 Calinou parse logs
18:30 rubenwardy Without relying on IRC
18:30 rubenwardy That would make sense
18:30 Builder123 hi storm
18:30 rubenwardy What about sending chat messages/commands to Minetest
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18:32 Hijiri sockets?
18:33 rubenwardy That would make sense, but Lua in Minetest sucks with that. And I don't want to have to remake it when sandboxing is added
18:33 rubenwardy I'll look at the IRC mod
18:33 rubenwardy To see how it does sockets
18:34 rubenwardy Oh, I didn't know socket("") was allowed O_o
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18:36 rubenwardy Well, that's enough for today. https://github.com/rubenwardy/minetest_web_panel
18:37 Calinou starred
18:37 Calinou and watched
18:46 rubenwardy Bye!
18:48 CWz and than everybody netsplited
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18:49 Hijiri at least this channel isn't a megachannel
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19:04 DaveTheModder Just curious, does anyone know how long it'll be until official mapgen v5 biome development is complete?
19:05 Calinou mgv5 is pretty much complete I guess
19:05 Calinou it tries to replicate 0.3.1 as much as possible, but with the new biome system
19:05 Calinou mgv7 is considered to be in development
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19:06 DaveTheModder When I started playing Minetest, it was 0.3.1 that I found on the Ubuntu Software Center, and the first world I created has always been my favorite, but it was lost
19:06 DaveTheModder That was cut off...
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19:07 DaveTheModder Is there a word/character limit in messages here?
19:07 DaveTheModder I tried to say something, and it was cut off...
19:09 ElectronLibre IRC protocol cuts after a lot of characters, I don't remember exactly, but very often it's your client which is cutting the messages.
19:09 DaveTheModder Ah
19:11 Calinou I see up to the “but it was lost”
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19:11 Calinou you can make much longer lines than that though
19:13 ElectronLibre I can usually do 5 times the length of that message before it is cuted of.
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19:14 DaveTheModder Oh, in that case, I'm pretty sure it was only cut off for me, then
19:15 ElectronLibre Hmm, strange, you're using exactly the same client I use.
19:17 DaveTheModder Wierd
19:17 DaveTheModder Just curious, are you using Linux?
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19:21 ElectronLibre_ Sh*t, got disconnected.
19:22 ElectronLibre_ DaveTheModder, yes, I'm using Linux (GNU/Linux Debian Jessie).
19:22 DaveTheModder I haven't tried Debian yet, but I want to sometime.
19:22 DaveTheModder At the moment, I'm using Elementary OS.
19:23 ElectronLibre I see. I tried it, but the default interface was too heavy to me.
19:23 ElectronLibre If I remember correctly the installer is quite the same (Elementary OS is Ubuntu based, Ubuntu being Debian based).
19:24 DaveTheModder I'm still not sure if I like the interface, I'm thinking about using Debian, Gentoo, or maybe even a variant of BSD.
19:25 ElectronLibre If you want to try Gentoo, prepare yourself to do everything, and I mean everything, to install it.
19:25 DaveTheModder I tried to install Arch once, and it was too frusturating, so I just gave up and installed openSUSE.
19:25 DaveTheModder :D
19:26 DaveTheModder What interface does Debian use in the current release?
19:27 Hijiri I think you can choose desktop environment in the installer
19:27 ElectronLibre You can choose indeed.
19:27 ElectronLibre You can use GNOME, Xfce, LXDE, etc..
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19:30 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Improve Redis error messages 3f5c2de http://git.io/vJFN1 (2015-05-06T15:28:22-04:00)
19:31 DaveTheModder Which interface do you use?
19:31 DaveTheModder I usually like using something lightweight like Xfce or LXDE.
19:32 ElectronLibre I use Xfce as the desktop manager as the moment, but I also use LXDE on other computers.
19:33 DaveTheModder Nice
19:34 ElectronLibre And with Xfce I can use my favorite desktop/window theme : Xfce-dusk (black borders, black bagrounds, dark blue top bars).
19:35 DaveTheModder I never have a specific theme I like, I'm always switching from one to another :D
19:35 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Fix error messages for type-checking Lua reading functions 3a8e734 http://git.io/vJFpD (2015-05-06T15:33:36-04:00)
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19:45 MinetestBot [git] ShadowNinja -> minetest/minetest: Fix connection speed unit names d720fd5 http://git.io/vJbv9 (2015-05-06T15:41:37-04:00)
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22:52 kaeza greetings
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