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00:06 whtemple1959 ok I am back. I see est31 has left I will look into all of the advice and do my best. it will not be the first time I broke my system as I am teaching myself Linux, C++ and python in hopes of making a game for my son. VanessaE I see your comment, I would love to discuss my psycosis with you in private some time.
00:07 whtemple1959 I am off to compile...be back later.
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00:21 * tim_flatus is writing a song fot paramat and hmmmm called "You b0rked ma mapgen (but it looks so good I may have to forgive you)"
00:21 hmmmm I stopped working on minetest
00:21 hmmmm more specifically I stopped working on the mapgen months ago
00:22 tim_flatus I know
00:22 tim_flatus But I thought you deserved a song
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00:32 tim_flatus I'm trying to think of interesting things to do with box cliffs right now :p
00:38 Pulec just discoverd mmdb
00:38 Pulec #minetest-mmdb is almost empty though
00:46 tim_flatus /deleteblocks is having some very weird effects. Probably because it doesn't really delete it just overwrites. I could set each block to air first, but there is a point where you have to ask yourself "can I be arsed?"
00:47 VanessaE no, it actually deletes.
00:47 tim_flatus It'll give the players something to ask questions about
00:47 VanessaE but it invokes the mapgen too
00:47 tim_flatus Are you sure?
00:47 VanessaE which will affect the mapblocks surrounding the deleted block
00:47 VanessaE yep, I am sure
00:47 VanessaE I've played around with it in my test world
00:48 tim_flatus I have lots of half-buried trees, some of them inside new mountains.
00:48 VanessaE that's the mudflow code probably kicking in
00:48 tim_flatus Right
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01:00 tim_flatus In which case I do have to fix my mapgen now. Durn.
01:03 ekem how much saturation is taking place to get this mud to flow in such extremes
01:03 ekem i just dont get it
01:03 ekem must be always raining with very little vegetation in these worlds
01:03 ekem sounds like unstable regolith.
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01:15 tim_flatus Right, that's much cleaner - minetest.clear_registered_biomes()
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01:16 Pulec well 256MB vps is unreal to use as a server
01:18 ekem yes
01:18 ekem for almost any setup other than simple web services with low traffic
01:18 ekem ie mail server, website that sort of thing
01:18 ekem you are going to need at least 512 for a couple player server, and 1 gig for > 5 most likely
01:18 ekem even then don't expect too great of results
01:19 Pulec well but it could work for few users
01:19 Pulec I guess its still better then with java
01:19 Pulec we have 32gigs on our community server
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01:32 Pulec heh i broke minetestmapper
01:32 Pulec kept moving while it was rendering
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04:18 Greycoat VanessaE: thought I'd let you know that your spawn-shop/travelnet exchange area protection on VE-S is slightly off. The result is nobody can place shops/travelnets.
04:19 VanessaE ok, I'll yell at cheapie.  he maintains that building
04:19 cheapie Meeble?
04:19 cheapie I thought I had that right, but I'll take a look later tonight.
04:23 VanessaE haha
04:24 VanessaE that's one way to get his attention :)
04:24 cheapie HexChat plays a sound and pops up a notification when I'm highlighted or receive a PM.
04:26 cheapie That then makes for an interesting situation when my connection dies for no reason and ZNC tries to reconnect every 30 seconds, PMing me every time.
04:26 cheapie Ding!......Ding!.......Ding!.......Ding!.....
04:29 Greycoat VanessaE, cheapie (ding ding): nevermind about the area protection -- I didn't realize how precise it was. It's correct after all. Sorry!
04:29 cheapie Heh, that's what I thought.
04:29 cheapie I protected it *very* precisely after issues with people digging holes in the ceiling.
04:31 cheapie Also, by the way, the #minetest on InchraNet is where stuff about VE's servers is generally discussed. This one is more for the game in general, although it's probably fine here too.
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04:33 * Greycoat wonders how to connect his client to both morgan and intranet at the same time.
04:34 Greycoat Because I can't get on #minetest-technic when on InchraNet, and I didn't realize thereare *two* #minetest's.
04:35 cheapie Blech, Quassel.
04:35 cheapie I don't have much experience with it, sorry.
04:35 Greycoat Hey!
04:35 Greycoat Okay.
04:36 cheapie I use HexChat combined with ZNC, which does the same thing, only better.
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04:44 Bluebird Okay, *that's* not working.
04:44 Greycoat Ya think?
04:44 Bluebird pffff
04:45 Greycoat Begone, clone!
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05:05 paramat i'm attempting to improve the biome api by re-calculating the biome at every new surface within a column. my branch compiles but segfaults https://github.com/paramat/minetest/commit​/f03d22094ef23f243ce7eaaf8d49cabca9ca4d46 can anyone check my code? hi hmmmm any help is appreciated but not expected =)
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06:35 hmmmm paramat:  i'm so glad you're taking initiative on that!  it's great to know that the biome system will eventually be finished
06:35 hmmmm honestly that's something I wanted to do but I really can't stand minetest anymore
06:36 hmmmm first thing to look at is line 579.  you have a shadow declaration of biome inside of that block
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06:36 hmmmm that's an obvious mistake
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06:37 hmmmm second, you don't need to look up the Biome * to get the id to look up the same Biome * again by id :-)
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06:37 hmmmm third, you initialize biome to NULL at the top of that block.  how can you be guaranteed that c != CONTENT_IGNORE, CONTENT_AIR, and have air?
06:38 hmmmm most likely that third issue is what's causing the segmentation fault
06:38 hmmmm you should rethink your loop logic
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08:46 MinetestBot [git] nerzhul -> minetest/minetest: Rename --do-unittests to --run-unittests as @Zeno- and @sfan5 requested b4acac7 http://git.io/A1oA (2015-02-24T08:56:52+01:00)
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09:49 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Single Tasking Day! :-D
09:50 VanessaE heh, ironic it should be that.
09:50 VanessaE I just tweaked one of my scripts to increase its thread count from 2 to 6.
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09:54 JamesTait Heh. :)
09:55 JamesTait You don't happen to have a script that will stay one step ahead of the weather, and bring the washing in just before it starts raining? :-P
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10:01 VanessaE nope.
10:01 * VanessaE looks at the 7 cm of snow outside.  don't suppose you have one that'll melt this?  there's more coming.
10:02 VanessaE (for this locale, that's a significant amount, though hardly crippling)
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10:18 OldCoder VanessaE, R U asleep
10:18 OldCoder U ought 2 B
10:18 OldCoder U 8 2 B
10:19 VanessaE I'm here
10:19 VanessaE can't sleep
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13:21 Neolink5 hello
13:21 Neolink5 haw i can protect area?
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13:26 Neolink5 anyone
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13:30 VanessaE use Areas mod
13:30 VanessaE or Landrush mod
13:30 VanessaE or there are others
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13:56 Neolink5 where i can read how to use the atea mod?
13:56 Neolink5 areas*
13:58 Neolink5 Here https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic​.php?f=11&t=7239&hilit=areas din't whrote about commands
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15:17 shadowzone Hello, PilzAdam.
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15:55 tim_flatus I need to decide whether to continue my v7 map cleanup or generate a new world on the same seed and attempt to copy the builds and player data over. Both options look like at least a couple of days work.
15:57 ElectronLibre Have you got the mg mod installed?
15:58 tim_flatus No, I'm using a modified version of paragenv7
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15:59 tim_flatus And just upgraded a map begun on 0.4.10 to 0.4.12
15:59 ElectronLibre Ok, so there is no real way you can regenerate a part of the map. Are the builds big?
16:00 tim_flatus The game is about a month old. The builds don't tend to be big, just very scattered.
16:01 tim_flatus I'm basically fixing up the map using /deleteblocks, although I'm close to creating a customised version of it for this process
16:01 ElectronLibre Ok, maybe you can build a new map, and copy the buildings. If there aren't many, it should work.
16:02 domtron who is a forum moderator besides VanessaE (she doesn't seem to be on)
16:02 * ElectronLibre never tried deletblocks but will give it a try.
16:02 tim_flatus There are complications to do with my development schedule (lol) - this has basically brought up issues with my mapgen which I need to deal with.
16:03 tim_flatus Be careful, try it on a test map.
16:03 ElectronLibre I only have test maps.
16:03 tim_flatus :-)
16:03 ElectronLibre It's been a while since I really played.
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16:04 tim_flatus I'm close to deciding to continue the patch up as a temporary measure.
16:05 tim_flatus And then build a new map once I've got the mapgen fixed. That way I can get back online within a couple of days. Most of my players don't explore that mush.
16:05 tim_flatus Much. Interesting typo
16:06 * ElectronLibre search what is mush.
16:06 * ElectronLibre found.
16:06 ElectronLibre Yes, interesting. :)
16:06 tim_flatus Then I can find out what I can achieve with worldedit and the few remaining box-cliffs
16:07 tim_flatus So long as I can find an in-game justification for the anomalies, it's not a big problem ;-)
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16:09 tim_flatus That was my initial interest in Minetest - I had long wanted to find a 3d visual equivalent of MUSH. Minetest is it.
16:10 tim_flatus potentially at least.
16:10 ElectronLibre Oh I thought you meant the real meaning of mush but ok.
16:10 tim_flatus No, the Lydia Leong sense.
16:11 tim_flatus IIR her name correctly.
16:12 ElectronLibre Oh my voxels.
16:12 ElectronLibre Deleteblocks regenerates the map?
16:13 tim_flatus Yes, it deletes the block from the database (I think) and so triggers mapgen.
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16:14 tim_flatus So the map doesn't regenerate until someone goes there.
16:14 tim_flatus Plus I have mostly been using the 'here' switch because deleting large areas crashes the game.
16:15 tim_flatus In which case the area will almost immediately regen.
16:17 ElectronLibre Here just regenerates one node for me, and sometimes it's just air ._.
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16:17 tim_flatus It does an entire 80x80x80 chunk for me.
16:19 tim_flatus I did modify my version to y = +/- 48 so it actually regens two vertical chunks at once.
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16:20 ElectronLibre You're using 0.4.12 release?
16:20 tim_flatus yes
16:20 tim_flatus That's what caused the problem in the first place :D
16:21 ElectronLibre Ok let me retry, I tried to regenerate a lake and a jungle appeared so I'm gonna retry there and see if jungle glass grow.
16:22 tim_flatus If you're in v7 that sounds like what I'm experiencing. Is the new ground higher?
16:22 tim_flatus paramat tweaked the mountain code.
16:23 ElectronLibre Oh, I was using v6.
16:23 ElectronLibre Let me create a test world with v7.
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16:23 * ElectronLibre thinks : "Wow. Another test world, but I have so many ._."
16:23 Neolink5 Is there a mesecon timer?
16:23 tim_flatus In a new world you won't see much difference
16:24 ElectronLibre A new world with v7. Maybe it's because of v7.
16:24 tim_flatus I mean, that's actually how it's supposed to work
16:25 tim_flatus Yes it's due to a change in the v7 mapgen
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16:33 tim_flatus I have just had an important revelation. It's all about the story. Decision made.
16:34 * tim_flatus goes off to battle the forces of nature ...
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17:27 marktraceur !
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17:28 Calinou hi
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18:55 Neolink5 is there a dooe that having opened by signal of mesecon?
18:55 Neolink5 door*
18:56 sfan5 i think you can use normal doors for that
18:57 Neolink5 a steel door?
18:57 sfan5 no, only wooden doors
18:57 rubenwardy !up home.rubenwardy.com
18:57 MinetestBot home.rubenwardy.com:30000 is up (547ms)
18:57 rubenwardy I'm testing my capture the flag game
18:57 Neolink5 Can other user open it?
18:57 rubenwardy Try and crash that server
18:58 sfan5 Neolink5: yes, everyone can use wooden doors
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18:58 Neolink5 its bad
18:59 rubenwardy Server restarted with creative now enabled
18:59 rubenwardy Server restarted with creative now enabled
19:00 rubenwardy !up home.rubenwardy.com
19:00 MinetestBot home.rubenwardy.com:30000 is up (64ms)
19:00 shadowzone I'll try it out
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19:02 rubenwardy Excellent
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19:02 shadowzone stuck at connecting to server..
19:02 Neolink5 can piston move up?
19:03 shadowzone Yep
19:03 VanessaE yes, just rotate it with a screwdriver
19:04 Neolink5 ok thanks you, i going to try
19:04 VanessaE (I think if you're looking sufficiently downward when you place one, it'll also point up)
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19:06 justas2 Shadowzone?
19:06 shadowzone Yes?
19:07 justas2 My Inchranet cant load :(  webchat
19:07 justas2 I used kiwi irc
19:07 shadowzone okay then write this down /server irc.inchra.net and then /join #minetest
19:08 shadowzone Easy, right? ;-)
19:08 justas2 Done
19:08 justas2 How to disconnect freenode
19:09 VanessaE just close the tab
19:09 VanessaE open a new one
19:09 justas2 Wait
19:09 justas2 Brb
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19:14 Neolink5 i need help
19:14 Neolink5 wood wood wood
19:15 shadowzone rubenwardy: I'm stuck in connecting to server..
19:15 rubenwardy !up home.rubenwardy.com
19:15 MinetestBot home.rubenwardy.com:30000 is up (1223ms)
19:15 rubenwardy Weird. What client version?
19:15 Neolink5 wood wood wood
19:15 Neolink5 brick steel brick
19:15 Neolink5 brick mesecon brick
19:15 Neolink5 Is this piston&
19:15 Neolink5 ?
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19:16 VanessaE http://mesecons.net/items/piston_normal.php
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19:16 rubenwardy I think I'm going to restart the world. Lol
19:16 justas2 150 USERS!!!
19:16 Neolink5 I can't craft it
19:16 justas2 Wait ill brb
19:16 VanessaE that's three wood, four cobblestone (or those may be stone bricks), one mesecon wire, and one steel ingot
19:17 VanessaE Neolink5: ^^^^
19:17 sfan5 !server players:most
19:17 MinetestBot sfan5: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 48/78, 46/57 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / minetest | Ping: 48ms
19:17 VanessaE the textures in the diagram are just old, those "brick" looking objects are old cobblestone from a long time ago
19:18 VanessaE sfan5: that's no surprise :P
19:18 Neolink5 its right
19:18 Neolink5 coblestone is right non stone brick
19:18 shadowzone rubenwardy: 0.4.12
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19:19 Neolink5 8-)
19:20 sfan5 !op
19:22 Topic for #minetest is now Welcome to #minetest, the official Minetest channel | Latest version: 0.4.12 (2015-02-18) | Responses may take a while, so be patient. | Rules: http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC#Rules | Development: #minetest-dev | Server list: http://minetest.net/servers | IRC logs: http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/
19:22 sfan5 !deop
19:22 shadowzone what'd you change?
19:22 sfan5 the official channel of Minetest -> the official Minetest channel
19:22 sfan5 Version: -> Latest version:
19:23 shadowzone Oh
19:23 rubenwardy Back online
19:25 rubenwardy What happens when you give interact by default: http://a.pomf.se/liyapn.png
19:26 rubenwardy Is it possible to change the chat dialog using formspec?
19:28 * Jordach does some rendering
19:28 shadowzone haha
19:28 * Jordach figured out water for cycles
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19:31 BlockMen rubenwardy, not with lua. they are somehwere defined in game.cpp
19:31 rubenwardy :(
19:31 rubenwardy I wanted to make a toggle button to pick whether the message is global or only to team members
19:32 BlockMen same for pause menu and death screen
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19:33 Jordach rubenwardy, anytime someone chats send them a message and bring up the chatting formspec with the same message
19:33 Jordach OR have the default chat set to T and the inventory controls team chat
19:33 rubenwardy Interesting idea.
19:34 Jordach that way tablet users CAN use it
19:34 Jordach (although not reccomended)
19:39 rubenwardy http://a.pomf.se/wayeez.png
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19:43 Jordach scrubs :P
19:43 * Jordach revisits old renders with new twists
19:45 Jordach http://a.pomf.se/nfltxp.png (improved water, new shading)]
19:45 Calinou rubenwardy, “WAYEEZ!”
19:45 Calinou sounds like a battle cry
19:46 shadowzone Jordach: very nice
19:46 rubenwardy Lel
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19:47 justas2 Hey :)
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19:53 Krock rubenwardy, interesting house protectio¨n
19:55 rubenwardy Hmmm.
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19:57 guest30000000000 Im justas2
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20:03 guest30000000000 Hi users on freenode
20:03 guest30000000000 :)
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20:20 justas2 Hey :)
20:20 justas2 So many users
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20:23 justas2 Hey electronlibre
20:23 justas2 :)
20:23 * ElectronLibre comes back.
20:24 ElectronLibre Hello justas2.
20:24 * justas2 waves at ElectronLibre
20:24 justas2 Hi
20:24 Selah Hello
20:24 MinetestBot [git] BlockMen -> minetest/minetest_game: Add beds edb02e9 http://git.io/A9X3 (2015-02-24T20:59:04+01:00)
20:24 justas2 Do /server inchra.net    so you can see someone
20:25 ElectronLibre *irc.inchra.net
20:25 justas2 Just do inchra.net   not irc.inchra.net
20:26 justas2 Bye freenode guys
20:26 ElectronLibre Oh yes indeed inchra.net:667 sends you to irc.inchra.net which send you on one of the servers.
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20:28 justas2 Im on freenode
20:28 Selah o.O
20:28 ElectronLibre Yes indeed you are.
20:28 justas2 Selah
20:28 justas2 Do /server irc.freenode.net to join freenode
20:29 ElectronLibre Selah is on freenode too ._.
20:29 justas2 ????
20:29 justas2 Theres 144 users!!!
20:29 justas2 Ive dissconnected inchra.nety
20:30 Selah ElectronLibre, how do you know?
20:30 justas2 Net*
20:30 ElectronLibre That's obvious, Selah is just there, on the same channel, you can see him/her, talk to him/her, because you're on the same network : freenode.
20:30 justas2 Joining Inchra.net ...
20:31 justas2 Am i in inchra.net now selah
20:31 Selah Nope
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20:31 justas2 Now
20:31 justas2 ???
20:31 CWz fail....
20:31 * Selah starts giggling
20:31 ShadowNinja justas2: webchat.inchra.net
20:32 ElectronLibre Just a question to anyone in core-dev, is it normal that when you try to override an item with register_node(":<mod>:<name>" it doesn't allow you to do so? Why have not this feature been removed if it's now illegal?
20:32 justas2 ...
20:32 justas2 ._.
20:33 justas2 :'(  all of you are laughing about me
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20:33 Selah nope, only me.
20:34 ShadowNinja ... justas2: use just webchat.inchra.net
20:34 justas2 Disconnecting freenode   (bye!)
20:34 justas2 ???
20:34 * Selah thinks she should've kept her mouth shut
20:34 ElectronLibre I'm just smiling behind my computer but it's ok I've seen people most lost than you are now.
20:35 justas2 No i cant its unknown to my tablet :( it says try it later
20:35 Selah justas2, webchat.inchra.net/#minetest
20:35 justas2 Right now??
20:35 ElectronLibre Oh my... https://webchat.inchra.net/#minetest should work.
20:36 justas2 Webpage unabled
20:36 ElectronLibre ...
20:36 ElectronLibre Let me fix that.
20:36 justas2 :(
20:36 Selah said that with me too
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20:36 ShadowNinja ElectronLibre: Buy me a cert that doesn't turn the whole browser red when you connect yo a server using it.
20:36 justas2 123 RESTARTING THE WEB
20:37 justas2 Not available
20:37 ElectronLibre I never use webchat. I use my IRC client. But webchat.inchra.net doesn't seem right..
20:37 ShadowNinja Oops, fixed webchat's DNS.
20:38 ElectronLibre Thanks.
20:39 ElectronLibre I think the adress to InchraNet should be written on minetest.net with freenode's channel's one because these times we get too many people who want to go on Inchra to see people on servers and go here instead ._.
20:39 justas2 https://www.filepicker.io/ap​i/file/31Q3CQHjQeqKtc1e8EoJ hey CHECK IT OUT!!!
20:40 Selah ElectronLibre, that's why I added the link to it to my help_tab that didn't get merged because of someone's BS.  *points at cg72*
20:40 ElectronLibre What's that? A crash?
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20:41 justas2 https://www.filepicker.io/ap​i/file/7928pXp6T5SmDCwuA8BA check my car that i made <--
20:41 justas2 <3
20:41 justas2
20:41 Selah ElectronLibre, it's crossy roads
20:41 justas2 XD
20:41 ElectronLibre Good work.
20:41 justas2 Check that pick
20:42 ElectronLibre (ShadowNinja, I'm glad you have a network for people using IRC but not interested in development, thank you very much.)
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20:44 justas2 https://www.filepicker.io/ap​i/file/IjLYzch5TxaAxbMUQXxf Also check captainsparklez's skin
20:44 ShadowNinja You're welcome.  :-)  Although it's not just me...
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20:45 justas2 ®©®©
20:45 ElectronLibre Yes, it's VanessaE's too If I remember correctly.
20:45 justas2 XD
20:46 Selah I'd host one... but I do not have a capable PC
20:46 ShadowNinja ElectronLibre: VE's one of the Admins.  The network's had about 5 admins over its 2-year-ish history.
20:47 ElectronLibre I didn't know that.
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20:48 justas2 Dude what connection your using
20:48 justas2 ???
20:49 ElectronLibre It's normal to get disconnected sometimes. (not quite, but we deal with it)
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20:50 justas2 Opps
20:50 justas2 :()
20:50 justas2 XD
20:51 Selah letting you know, he's 9.. so don't try to explain stuff to him like you would me.
20:52 ElectronLibre (Dead voxels' god..)
20:52 ElectronLibre *dear
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20:57 Johnsen2 WORK INCHRANET!!!
20:57 MinetestBot [git] BlockMen -> minetest/minetest_game: Use only red and white wool for beds ea7b04a http://git.io/A9Ab (2015-02-24T21:55:14+01:00)
20:57 shadowzone Johnsen2, what address?
20:57 Johnsen2 OH this is theh last time this lag bugs me im taking out da computerdestroyer
20:58 Johnsen2 selah. i typed /server isis.inchra.net
20:58 shadowzone try /server irc.inchra.net
20:58 Johnsen2 Thanks!!!
20:58 ElectronLibre What are you all doing here? Why can't you connect to inchra? ._.
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20:59 * Johnsen2 throws the thor hammer at everyone CHAU!!!
20:59 shadowzone ElectronLibre, changing of servers.
20:59 ElectronLibre You were using isis? Haven't you seen there was a notice on the day's message to announce that isis was separating from the IRC network?
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21:38 justas2 MTZ-Basic: cmd privs
21:38 justas2 Opps
21:38 ElectronLibre :fail:
21:38 justas2 XD
21:38 justas2 MTZ-Basic, cmd privs
21:39 justas2 Fail 2
21:39 justas2 Wtf
21:39 justas2 ?!?
21:39 justas2 Mtz basic is not in this channel
21:39 ElectronLibre It's not on this network at all.
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