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01:03 fireglow Hi, I can't plant wheat seeds, where can I start debugging?
01:03 fireglow farming_plus is installed
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01:28 Miner_48er fireglow are you able to get wheat seeds?
01:28 fireglow yeah, they drop from time to time somewhere, and I can of course give them to myself
01:29 Miner_48er ok what are you planting them on?
01:31 fireglow tilled earth, it's gone that darker shade already
01:31 fireglow I guess that means its saturated with water
01:32 Miner_48er ok what version of minetest and minetest game?
01:32 fireglow both 0.4.10
01:34 Miner_48er is there any errors?
01:34 Miner_48er Have you check debug.txt?
01:34 fireglow no, the seeds don't vanish from the inventory, and only appear for a very short while on the earth itself, then disappear again
01:35 fireglow oh wow, this is VERY verbose
01:36 fireglow alright, I'll have to do this another time, there's ten people playing atm
01:37 fireglow jesus, such verbosity...
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02:46 kaeza Miner_48er, I don't understand what the issue is
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02:53 LazyJ kaeza, when the GUI is used, walls of text listing every playername in Xban2's data is dumped into the logs.
02:54 LazyJ This balloons the size of the logs and has made grepping them more difficult.
02:54 kaeza LazyJ, https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-xban2/comm​it/dc874b538200eca3f65d5100ceeef3179c97b82c
02:54 kaeza Miner_48er, next time, pls use pastebin ;_;
02:55 LazyJ Ah. Thanks, kaeza ;)
02:56 LazyJ I'll upload your update but the server is busy with players atm. I won't be able to report back the result until I can restart the server or after the nightly backup.
02:56 kaeza hmm... seeing the huge as in HUGE formspec the command generates, it would be probably wise to limit the number of entries in the list(s)
02:57 LazyJ Let me get yesterday's log on Dropbox for you to examine.
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02:57 kaeza no need to; I'm still getting Miner's paste ;_;
02:58 LazyJ Ah. Ok.
02:59 LazyJ What would be the consequences of limiting Xban2's data to just the players that are banned and temp banned instead of collecting every login?
03:00 LazyJ Or... what about moving Xban2's data into a separate file/directory and not so much in the log?
03:01 kaeza assume a player logs in with nick A and poses as a legit player, now he logs out and logs in with nick B, and griefs.
03:01 kaeza you ban B, but A is still that same player, waiting to strike again
03:01 LazyJ If capturing every login makes Xban2 function better and extended functions possible (like the GUI), maybe move that to a separate file?
03:02 kaeza uh... it doesn't use the log at all
03:02 Miner_48er http://pastebin.com/048fwwjJ
03:02 Miner_48er ok
03:02 * kaeza checks
03:02 Miner_48er that's only half of it
03:02 Miner_48er in the pm
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03:04 kaeza LazyJ, so... does it still print too much info to log? (ignoring that formspec debugging info)
03:04 LazyJ I can't tell until I restart the server.
03:05 kaeza whoa
03:05 LazyJ Let me get something sorted and I'll login, announce a restart, and then see what the logs produce.
03:05 kaeza Miner_48er, that "formspec" is ~220KB long :|
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03:14 LazyJ Ok, kaeza. The log isn't flooding. :)
03:14 kaeza good :)
03:14 LazyJ Now if you could work some of your magic on getting the ban reason to wrap in the formspec display. :D
03:15 kaeza now `grep -v 'size\[.*' debug.txt > new_debug.txt`
03:15 LazyJ Time stamp: then a couple words, then the rest of the reason is cut off.
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03:16 kaeza hmm
03:17 LazyJ Both debug.txt and new_debug.txt are the same 4.0K.
03:18 LazyJ Looks like the debug.txt is renewed each time the server is restarted.
03:18 kaeza I guess a label could be added showing the currently selected reason; I'm off to bed now, I'll take a look at it tomorrow
03:18 LazyJ Ok, thanks:
03:19 LazyJ *thanks.
03:19 kaeza sure :)
03:19 kaeza night
03:19 LazyJ G'night ;)
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05:42 fling Hello :>
05:42 fireglow hi, I'm having another problem: I want to convert to sqlite, but I'm getting an error:  ERROR[main]: Migration to sqlite is not supported
05:42 fireglow but the binary has the sqlite lib
05:42 fireglow ldd /usr/local/bin/minetestserver | grep sqlite
05:42 fireglow libsqlite3.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libsqlite3.so.0 (0x800cc4000)
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05:45 fireglow hmm
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06:01 fling Are you guys playing minetest_game or minecraft-like game or what? :P
06:04 ShadowNinja fling: Most use minetest_game.  If you want something MC-like try minitest (it's old though).
06:04 ShadowNinja fireglow: sqlite -> sqlite3
06:10 fireglow ShadowNinja: cheers
06:10 fireglow Migrated 25000 blocks 0.183983% completed
06:10 fireglow lol, this will take a while
06:11 fireglow that's okay
06:11 fling ShadowNinja: is not there a mod that will add all the minecraft blocks?
06:12 fling I'm about to convert my minecraft worlds and I want to keep all the blocks
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06:57 LemonLake miners look like they're working
06:57 fireglow gold gold gold
06:58 LemonLake hm
06:58 LemonLake how can i load an unloaded block?
06:59 LemonLake nvm, it just hit its limit pretty fast
07:03 sfan5 meow
07:03 sfan5 hi everyone
07:03 fireglow gold gold gold, gold gold gold
07:03 fireglow meow, sfan5
07:03 sfan5 !devoice
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08:13 fireglow If there are files for two db backends (say sqlite and leveldb) present in the world/ directory, which one will get preference?
08:15 sfan5 fireglow: the one selected by the backend setting in world.mt
08:16 fireglow sfan5: okay cool, thanks
08:16 fireglow sfan5: there's leveldb, sqlite3, what can I use for redis? "redis" or "hiredis"?
08:16 sfan5 redis
08:17 fireglow okay
08:19 fling sfan5: Hello.
08:19 sfan5 hello
08:21 fling Should I use Redis if possible?
08:21 fireglow same question, actually
08:21 fireglow I just read about the 4 GB limit on sqlite...
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08:25 fling Redis operates as a single process and single-threaded. Therefore a single Redis instance cannot utilize parallel execution of tasks e.g. stored procedures (Lua scripts).
08:25 fling mhmhmhmhmmm
08:30 sfan5 does anyone want a MySQL backend?
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08:36 fling sfan5: NOOO
08:36 fireglow hehe
08:36 sfan5 but I want something to do
08:36 sfan5 I guess I'll just install Arch then
08:36 PenguinDad sfan5: how about a Postgre backend?
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08:37 sfan5 PenguinDad: hm, yeah, good idea
08:40 Calinou hi
08:41 * sfan5 meows at Calinou
08:41 Calinou meh, got banned from channels
08:42 * PenguinDad never got banned in any channel until now
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08:43 Calinou probably got dozens of bans
08:44 Calinou including an ISP ban (my best!)
08:45 sfan5 lol
08:45 * sfan5 got banned in #bukkit on esper.net
08:46 sfan5 I still don't know why
08:46 sfan5 I was idling there
08:46 sfan5 and one day I noticed I was banned
08:46 rmilan why isnt there (shift or control) + click in inventory? [or any usefull hotkey]
08:48 PenguinDad (control or shift) click for what?
08:48 Calinou probably a Minetest blacklist somewhere
08:48 Calinou probably to move items  quickly from inventory to container, PenguinDad.
08:48 Calinou rmilan, we have middle click though ;) use to move tens of items
08:48 Calinou unlike Minecraft
08:49 rmilan thants i know, but i feel middle button so weak, o dont like to use it :D
08:50 rmilan and who dont like to move mouse, would be easyer to press a key, and click on the item
08:50 Calinou how sane is it to use “dedicated_server_step = 0.01"?
08:51 PenguinDad rmilan: you would still have to move mouse
08:51 PenguinDad Calinou: it's quite insane
08:51 Calinou trainwrecktony does that on his server
08:52 rmilan but if i want to put 8 item on the bar, then need only to move much less
08:52 PenguinDad I'll most likely be unable to play on that server
08:57 PenguinDad rofl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qEEd7J3DBo
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09:09 rmilan http://i.imgur.com/KRSpYT3.jpg vs http://i.imgur.com/3yVaOIA.jpg
09:09 Calinou oh, that made me thought
09:09 Calinou we could have rectangular selection
09:10 Calinou rmilan, to compensate, you can have more hotbar slots
09:10 Calinou :p
09:10 Calinou up to 23!
09:10 rmilan integrate explorer.exe into minetest for selection and drag and drop
09:10 rmilan and for linux make a fuse module for mounting inventory
09:11 Calinou heh
09:11 * PenguinDad ignites the fuse
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10:01 VanessaE rmilan: you, sir, are insane.
10:02 Jordach PenguinDad, i can play perfectly on tony's server
10:02 Jordach (in fact, it's way faster than VanessaE's)
10:03 Jordach ((it actually performs when you ask it, not two minutes later))
10:04 VanessaE :P
10:04 VanessaE blame technic for being buggy earlier, and other players for abusing it.
10:05 VanessaE and the minetest engine for not being able to limit mods' CPU usage
10:05 Calinou never got 2 minute lag on a VanessaE server
10:05 PenguinDad Jordach: try to play on that server with an amazing 200 kbit/s connection
10:05 Calinou the lag is usually good, but may be slowed down by weather mods
10:06 VanessaE Calinou: only snowdrift, and I'm not entirely sure I'm gonna keep that.  I wish particle spawners worked right (and didn't use entities, but rather REAL particles).  I might actually write a weather mod.
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10:22 sfan5| meow
10:23 PenguinDad meow
10:23 sfan5| how do I change tabs in irssi?
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10:25 sfan5| current status: installed archlinux, proceeding to install Xfce
10:25 blaise sfan5 hold down alt and hit a number
10:25 blaise or the left and right button
10:26 blaise alt-1 through 0 for tab 1 through 10 and alt-q through p for tabs 11 through 20
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10:26 blaise beyond that I dunno
10:26 sfan5| blaise: works, thanks
10:26 blaise :)
10:26 sfan5| alt + (left|right) changes tty
10:26 sfan5| but alt + number works
10:27 blaise k, if in x alt left, right will scroll though tabs..
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10:27 PenguinDad TIL alt + [left|right] works in weechat
10:27 jp__ Hello. Does it's possible to have the [center] tag on the forums ?
10:28 sfan5| ShadowNinja ^
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11:08 Megaf Good morning
11:11 LazyJ Howdy, Megaf ;)
11:11 Megaf so, anyone else geting segfaults now a days with Minetest?
11:13 LazyJ I haven't used 0.4.10 much yet to have seen.
11:14 LazyJ I have been getting several core dumps since the later releases of 0.4.9 on my home computer.
11:14 LazyJ I think those happened because I double hit the Enter key.
11:16 LazyJ Little finger snags just a brief moment on the key above and the Enter key get's pushed down again slightly.
11:18 Jordach !tell Megaf what segfaults? never seen them here
11:18 MinetestBot Jordach: yeah, sure, whatever
11:18 PenguinDad !tell Megaf Yes, I'm still having segfaults.
11:18 MinetestBot PenguinDad: I'll pass that on when Megaf is around
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11:20 MinetestBot Megaf: 07-17 16:18 UTC <Jordach> what segfaults? never seen them here
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11:26 sfan5 meow
11:26 MinetestBot sfan5: 07-17 15:09 UTC <LemonLake> I made you a picture. https://cdn.mediacru.sh/Fh0i8Ta-Y1eS.jpg
11:26 Jordach megfix yer connection
11:26 Jordach gdammit :P
11:27 sfan5 !tell LemonLake omg, you can draw :3
11:27 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when LemonLake is around
11:27 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
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11:27 MinetestBot Megaf: 07-17 16:18 UTC <PenguinDad> Yes, I'm still having segfaults.
11:27 sfan5 current status: archlinux installed and running
11:27 Jordach >arch
11:27 Jordach you fool
11:27 sfan5 yeah
11:27 sfan5 :c
11:28 sfan5 Jordach: >using windows
11:28 sfan5 even worse
11:28 Jordach sfan5, tl;dr i can actually compile minetest on it
11:28 Jordach i may create Windows 7/8 builds using MSVC 2012
11:28 sfan5 64bit pls
11:29 PenguinDad How many different builds do we need?
11:29 * Jordach gets on with that
11:29 Jordach PenguinDad, specialised testing
11:29 Jordach and then i can churn out sfan5 level builds quickly :P
11:29 Jordach and perhaps in spare time repair gsmapper against current head
11:29 Jordach one that yknow, works when it meets unknown nodes
11:30 sfan5 Jordach: meow
11:30 * PenguinDad doesn't care about gsmapper
11:30 Jordach :O given the choice between express iso or web install
11:31 Jordach sfan5, https://cdn.mediacru.sh/qAfOlZZP8oG-.png
11:31 Jordach >C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 11.0
11:31 Jordach WTF
11:32 Jordach >x86
11:32 sfan5 Jordach: sounds like you downloaded the wrong one
11:32 Jordach sfan5, two files D:
11:32 sfan5 Jordach: use the express iso
11:32 Jordach (it'll probably come with the require 64bit stuff)
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11:36 VanessaE Megaf: fix your G*d damned connection
11:36 * sfan5 meows
11:36 VanessaE stop signing off right after asking questions/making comments!
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11:36 VanessaE it pisses people off!
11:37 kaeza mornings
11:37 * VanessaE growls
11:37 VanessaE hi kaeza
11:37 * VanessaE meows at sfan5
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11:37 * sfan5 is a cat which just installed Arch
11:37 Megaf [08:35:15] <Megaf> Jordach; I have no idea whats going on here
11:37 Megaf [08:35:31] <Megaf> Even my local networks is failing
11:37 Megaf VanessaE; I can say the very same
11:37 Megaf I'm quite annoyed with myself
11:38 kaeza lol
11:38 * PenguinDad gives sfan5 a bottle o' milk
11:38 MinetestBot GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix texture hack in fences. 61088b1 2014-07-17T13:37:18+02:00 http://git.io/3U8oNA
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11:39 sfan5 10110 unread mails
11:39 sfan5 gg Thunderbird
11:39 kaeza C-a a
11:39 kaeza <_<
11:40 Jordach welcome to the world of unix text editing
11:40 Jordach where commands are bullshit
11:40 alket in one server I saw someone with a boat , how do I get one , i checked mods , couldn't find it
11:40 sfan5 alket: use 0.4.10, it has boats included in the default subgame
11:40 VanessaE I'll stick to nano and gedit, where hey, imagine this concept, they actually default to EDITING THE TEXT. :P
11:41 * sfan5 throws http://atom.io at VanessaE
11:41 alket sfan5: thanks
11:41 * kaeza puts jEdit on VanessaE's and sfan5's heads
11:42 sfan5 is that written in java?
11:42 kaeza take a guess
11:42 * PenguinDad puts geany and neovim on kaeza's head
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11:50 telek Scite FTW :)
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12:02 EvergreenTree Now I remember how annoying github can be
12:02 EvergreenTree Is there any way of cleaning up the history on this branch and turning it to a more linear format?
12:02 EvergreenTree https://github.com/4Evergreen4/m​inetest/tree/screen_size_setting
12:03 EvergreenTree I might just hard reset it to the first commit and retry the updating of it
12:03 EvergreenTree for some reason I can't figure out how to cleanly update master and the branch
12:03 Jordach EvergreenTree, new branch take head of old brance
12:05 sfan5 EvergreenTree: git remote add upstream https://github.com/minetest/minetest && git fetch upstream && git rebase upstream/master
12:05 EvergreenTree that's what I did before
12:06 EvergreenTree it didn't appear to work, but I might have messed it up before that
12:06 sfan5 then do it again?
12:06 EvergreenTree I tried it no, nope
12:06 EvergreenTree *now
12:07 EvergreenTree I honestly think I'll just delete the branch and re-add the code
12:07 EvergreenTree and close the pull request on minetest
12:07 EvergreenTree or maybe just hard reset
12:08 kaeza what does it say when you run the above commands?
12:09 kaeza also, git != github
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12:11 MinetestBot GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Fix texture glitches for plants with visual scale > 1.0 (jungle grass). 625489d 2014-07-17T14:10:23+02:00 http://git.io/AaHGhA
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12:14 Megaf back
12:14 Megaf 59 packets transmitted, 59 received, 0% packet loss, time 290001ms
12:14 Megaf rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.458/0.535/1.443/0.131 ms
12:14 Megaf I think I fixed
12:14 Krock hi
12:19 Jordach Megaf, ouch
12:27 PenguinDad Woo hoo I just had my first 416 error http://httpcats.herokuapp.com/416
12:28 * Krock gives PenguinDad a kitten
12:29 * PenguinDad wgets up to Krock's lap
12:29 EvergreenTree Oh, btw, what should I change on the branch I just showed?
12:29 EvergreenTree (it isn't complete at all)
12:29 Jordach the leaves :3
12:29 Krock :) http://httpcats.herokuapp.com/418
12:31 PenguinDad I just don't know what went wrong http://httpcats.herokuapp.com/500
12:40 Megaf can I remove all areas from a user at once?
12:40 Megaf areas_mod
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12:46 * Jordach actually completely forgot iTunes is DRM free
12:59 blaise mobf lag is out of control
12:59 blaise :(
12:59 blaise I really like the mod, I wish it didn't cause so much lag...
13:01 Megaf https://www.flickr.com/photos/girliemac/​sets/72157628409467125/with/6509400997/
13:02 Megaf VanessaE; Network fixed indeed
13:02 Megaf 1000 packets transmitted, 1000 received, 0% packet loss, time 1998023ms
13:02 Megaf rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.394/0.546/1.988/0.133 ms
13:03 Megaf That was pinging my router
13:03 Megaf and this is pinging my minetest server
13:03 Megaf 1000 packets transmitted, 1000 received, 0% packet loss, time 1998015ms
13:03 Megaf rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.408/0.618/1.094/0.059 ms
13:13 blaise mineguild.de:8090 is down
13:14 blaise so no searching from https://forum.minetest.net/mmdb/mods/
13:14 blaise :(
13:14 blaise what ever happened to firestone mod ?
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13:21 VanessaE firestone?
13:21 sfan5 never heard of such a mod
13:21 VanessaE as far as I know that's a brand of vehicle tire :P
13:22 Krock mmdb needs support for github
13:22 VanessaE Krock: good luck with that
13:23 Krock blaise, flintstone?
13:23 Krock *flint
13:23 VanessaE flint and steel?
13:23 VanessaE those are in the fake fire mod
13:23 VanessaE others too, I'm sure
13:23 * Krock has his own fake fire...
13:24 Krock VanessaE, I mean, it should download the master zip from github and rename the extracted folder after unzipping
13:24 VanessaE Krock: I refer to semmett9's version.  I think.
13:25 VanessaE ( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6145 )
13:25 VanessaE Krock: oh, yeah that I could agree with
13:26 VanessaE but I know a number of people will balk at the idea
13:26 Krock why?
13:26 * Krock translates *balk*
13:26 VanessaE because github's terms of service, not truly free, blah blah blah
13:26 ecutruin Hey VanessaE, do you know of any way to alter what is currently showing as the player's hands at runtime via MT?
13:26 Krock ah
13:26 VanessaE balk-> complain, bitch, while, piss and moan
13:26 VanessaE whine*
13:27 VanessaE ecutruin: change wieldhand.png
13:27 VanessaE you can't change this at runtime, but you can via a texture pack
13:27 ecutruin VanessaE, I don't want to just change the texture.. more like change the model, add particles, etc.
13:28 VanessaE ecutruin: that would require changes to the client itself, e.g. C++ changes
13:28 ecutruin Alright, I thought so.
13:28 RealBadAngel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixgAxnBTIi4
13:28 EvergreenTree The way the hand works currently is that it is an item
13:28 EvergreenTree a tool
13:28 VanessaE ecutruin: regarding particles, don't use them until jin_xi finishes his work
13:28 RealBadAngel how do you like adding param2 to planlike?
13:28 EvergreenTree which appears in every hotbar slot
13:29 VanessaE RealBadAngel: very nice indeed
13:29 ecutruin Alright.  How about modifying the 'hand' tool.. can I alter that and give it attachments to 'fake' what I want?
13:29 VanessaE ecutruin: I'm not entirely sure if that's possible.
13:29 ecutruin RealBadAngel, do you happen to know?
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13:30 VanessaE you can alter the properties of the hand by redefining ":" but that may affect other things (e.g. wielding a block of cobble also acts like the hand)
13:30 RealBadAngel idk
13:31 EvergreenTree Imo, the current way of doing the hand is certainly moddable, but a bit hacky
13:31 EvergreenTree maybe it isn't hard-coded so new sub games can create their own hands
13:31 EvergreenTree Idk
13:32 VanessaE ecutruin: you can fake it by for example checking if anything is wielded before taking certain actions, but I'm afraid most of that will have to be done in C++
13:32 PenguinDad EvergreenTree: games have to define the ":" item
13:32 ecutruin EvergreenTree, to give you an example of what I want to do.. I need to have two hands visible, for one.. and I need to also be able to do something special if I'm looking down at my hands essentially.. so.. be able to say have a knife in hand, look down and have it animate to make my hands more in view.. and I can use the knife to poke my other hand if I'm near an altar.
13:32 VanessaE ecutruin: impossible in Lua.
13:32 EvergreenTree Yes
13:33 ecutruin Alright.  I guessed as much, but wanted to ask. ^-^  Thanks guys.
13:33 VanessaE ecutruin: there is an issue open already to put the hand on the left, maybe you should add to that?
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13:34 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1465
13:34 VanessaE and,
13:34 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/​viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=92
13:34 VanessaE so it's been proposed before
13:35 VanessaE but as you can see from the second link, a LOOOOOOOONG time ago
13:36 VanessaE (some of what he asks for we already do now, it just isn't visible on the screen the way you want)
13:38 ecutruin I just posted on the git, does that suggestion sound right to you, VanessaE?
13:39 VanessaE seems okay
13:39 VanessaE the trick of course is getting someone to code it :)
13:40 VanessaE also the actual *use* of that feature depends on the sub-game the user is playing
13:41 * ecutruin nods.
13:41 ecutruin I tried to make the suggestion generic.  Instead of just being an extra wielded item.. because you could use it to say make animated magic spells by attaching hands with animations that make gestures and such.
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13:42 VanessaE riught
13:42 VanessaE right*
13:43 crazyR does anyone use Redis for the map storage?
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13:45 Jordach we need meshitems
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13:46 Jordach (wielditem = "mesh", wieldmesh = "item.x")
13:47 crazyR1 does anyone use Redis for the map storage?
13:48 ecutruin I think my suggestion takes it one step further, Jordach.  Basically, wielding is just attaching the item mesh to the point.. where as you could also just attach something yourself, or hide the wielded item as well.. This would also let you animate the attached mesh's as you want as well.
13:48 Jordach ecutruin, with on_use() you can in theory animate it, as well as do other things
13:49 VanessaE crazyR1: sorry, not I
13:50 ecutruin Jordach, sure.. but if you limited it to wield only.. it'd be limited to one mesh attached ever.. instead of say.. attaching a new mesh to replace the hands, and then having wield re-direct to that mesh instead via something like player.setWield( player, mesh ) or somesuch to allow the wield code to use your new attachment bone instead of the default.
13:55 ecutruin If it was developed correctly as well, you could allow for more than two 'wielded' items as well, letting people use animated mesh's on the HUD to handle various things (like say you want to do a WoW style health meter of what you're looking at) by just attaching new mesh's to screen.
13:55 ecutruin I know that is how games like Second Life handle on-HUD objects.  They attach to the screen itself.
13:56 ecutruin But otherwise, they are just attachments, and can be animated just like any other entity.
13:58 * ecutruin shrugs though.
13:59 ecutruin I think without client-side LUA, such a system would be either slow or clunky.. because you really need speed in some of these things, but the server doesn't really need to know either.
14:00 PenguinDad I just found an interesting sneaking related sound glitch http://paste.ubuntu.com/7809160/
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14:04 PilzAdam lol, https://github.com/minetest/minetes​t/issues/1496#issuecomment-49225271, lets add minetest.brute_force_password(pwd)
14:07 crazyR1 he did say forget about it. and in the suggestion he siad he noticed the security concern and wasnt sure. whats the big deal?
14:08 crazyR1 out of all the suggestions he made. you picked just one to laught at
14:09 VanessaE bbl
14:11 PenguinDad PilzAdam: before improving minetest's security greatly you should fix the glitch I reported one second before you joined :P
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14:18 sfan5| watching gparted resize partitions is boring
14:19 PilzAdam crazyR1, apparently devs are not allowed to make jokes :-/
14:19 telek Also: Just because there's no provision for minetest.brute_force_password in the stock client doesn't mean somebody couldn't add it. That isn't a reason to skip client-side lua. Reasons that are: Server to Client luascripts would need vetting, since the client shouldn't trust the server. And server would need server-side vetting of all data coming back from the client luascripts to ensure sanity (otherwise you end up like a lot of thos
14:19 * sfan5| meows at PilzAdam
14:19 * PilzAdam moos at sfan5|
14:19 * sfan5| is a cat
14:20 sfan5| *reads backlog*
14:20 PenguinDad PilzAdam must be a mooshroom :D
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14:22 EvergreenTree Zeg9!
14:22 EvergreenTree It's been a while
14:22 sfan5| Zeg9!
14:22 Zeg9 Hey!
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14:23 PenguinDad hey Zeg9
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14:27 MinetestBot LemonLake: 07-17 16:27 UTC <sfan5> omg, you can draw :3
14:27 sfan5| o
14:27 sfan5| LemonLake!
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14:33 LemonLake sfan5|: good day
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14:48 LemonLake how can i give a node dig fx?
14:48 LemonLake like the cracks
14:48 sfan5| on_dig
14:48 LemonLake i want to make a node cracked
14:48 sfan5| while digging?
14:48 sfan5| hm
14:48 LemonLake well, similar to how it looks when digging
14:48 sfan5| on_punch maybe
14:48 Calinou you can use a texture modifier, but it's said not to be used by mods
14:49 Calinou no, it's just a texture modifier
14:49 LemonLake i have a miner node, and i want it to look like it's actually digging the node
14:49 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net/texture
14:49 LemonLake im aware
14:49 Calinou “Engine-internal (do not use in mods)”
14:49 LemonLake "Engine-internal (do not use in mods)"
14:49 LemonLake ninja'd
14:49 Calinou did you try?
14:49 LemonLake not only that, but how would I change it in runtime?
14:49 Calinou use several node definitions
14:49 LemonLake and node-specific?
14:50 LemonLake ew
14:50 sfan5| LemonLake: create an entity put it there with a transparent texture, use that engine-internal thing
14:50 Calinou probably can't
14:50 LemonLake sfan5|: okay, I'll try that
14:50 LemonLake and set it's lifespan to 2 seconds or something?
14:51 Exio we need multiple "node-like" definitions (but only textures and stuffs) and change between them using param2!
14:51 sfan5| something like that
14:51 Calinou make the entity use cube drawtype, a tiny bit bigger than a normal cube, to avoid z-fighting
14:51 LemonLake okay, i think i know what im doing
14:51 Calinou make the entity non-physical, have no collision box, immortal
14:52 * sfan5| reboots once again
14:52 LemonLake is there an entity reference greater than the one on the wiki?
14:53 LemonLake visual_size = {x=1.01, y=1.01} would be sufficient, too?
14:53 Calinou probably
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14:54 Calinou oh, but that entity would need to be alpha-blended
14:54 Calinou not sure if you can use semi-transparent texture on a cube entity…
14:54 LemonLake if not i can make a mesh
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14:54 LemonLake Jordach probably knows all the scaling and stuff
14:54 Calinou can mesh use semi-transparency?
14:54 LemonLake im sure of it
14:55 LemonLake the player can be transparent, yes?
14:55 Calinou oh, a nodebox entity can
14:55 Calinou protector uses that
14:55 LemonLake "colors = {}, -- number of required colors depends on visual"
14:55 Calinou O_o
14:55 LemonLake wasdat
14:55 Calinou never heard of colors
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14:55 LemonLake it's in lua_api.txt
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14:56 Calinou https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone/​source/b223ac99b8542fefb25520998fa60ee​6ebacd70c:mods/protector/init.lua#L265 → line 265 and after, LemonLake
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14:57 RealBadAngel LemonLake, i was using 0.003 as offset
14:57 LemonLake 1.0003?
14:57 LemonLake 003*
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14:57 RealBadAngel yes
14:57 LemonLake im taking a risk and using [crack
14:58 LemonLake if it does not work then I'll have to make my own crack texture
14:59 RealBadAngel for transparet things you may need to use [cracko
14:59 LemonLake yeah
14:59 RealBadAngel without overlay crack will be visible on whole surface
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15:00 LemonLake "scaled by xP (from 0 to 9) in each dimension."
15:00 brandedangel hi all
15:01 FungusAdam BrainDeadAngel?
15:02 LemonLake what exactly is P?
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15:02 LemonLake also, why does everyone haver weird names today?
15:02 LemonLake wait, nvm
15:02 LemonLake ic
15:03 LemonLake here we go again
15:03 Hirato_ I bet RealBadAngel's real name is Stocking, jsut ask sfan5 about PSw/G's ending :M
15:03 RealBadAngel LemonLake, if you need plain crack textures combine it with empty png
15:03 LemonLake RealBadAngel: yes yes, but what is P in [crack?
15:03 Krock2 - Krock quit (*.net *.split)
15:03 Krock2 eww
15:03 LemonLake freenode has multiple servers, Krock2 ^.^
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15:03 RealBadAngel crack is [crack:frame_count:frame
15:03 Krock2 but I see myself 0.0
15:03 LemonLake ah i see
15:03 RealBadAngel i think ;)
15:04 LemonLake so 1:1 is sufficient for static crack?
15:04 RealBadAngel lemme check
15:04 Calinou ~obit Hirato_
15:04 Hirato_ kill all baguettes
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15:04 LemonLake what was it before?
15:04 PenguinDad Calinou: no redroid in #minetest ;)
15:04 Calinou Germany winning world cup
15:04 Calinou it's been 4 days
15:04 LemonLake ohlol
15:04 Calinou so we can remove it probably
15:05 Hirato_ something about Germany Uber Alles in the world uc[
15:05 Hirato_ according to the topic history I have on hand
15:05 Exio the cup is europe :(
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15:05 LemonLake "| GERMANY WINS THE WORLD CUP"
15:05 Exio argentina had a few chances and they wasted them ffs
15:05 Calinou also, all-caps :(
15:05 Calinou Exio, same for France
15:06 PenguinDad Germany wins!!1!
15:06 RealBadAngel LemonLake, yup, thats right
15:06 Exio the germs had a physical advantage though, they played one day before argentina and just 30 mins
15:06 Exio vs 120 in our match vs ned
15:07 Calinou Germany played 120 minutes before the match against France, whereas France played 90 minutes.
15:07 Calinou we lost 0-1
15:07 LemonLake okay, now i need to kill it after 2 seconds
15:07 Calinou so it's quite random
15:07 LemonLake Calinou: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rIy0xY99a0
15:08 Exio Calinou, one day and germany _only_ played 30
15:09 Exio 7-1 remember?
15:09 Calinou that was after France being eliminated
15:09 PilzAdam actually the FIFA won against the poor people in brazil by making millions on their backs
15:10 raffahacks PilzAdam, agree
15:11 PilzAdam the world cup in Quatar needs to be stopped; people already die there for the pleasure of viewers in the first world and for the money the FIFA gets
15:11 Hirato_ Deutschland! Deutschland! Deutschland! Deutschland!
15:11 sfan5 meow
15:12 * Hirato_ replaces sfan5's avatar with something from girls und panzer
15:12 sfan5 uh no
15:12 * sfan5 installed Arch Linux on Hirato_s computer
15:12 sfan5 installs*
15:12 Hirato_ but I already use Arch
15:12 sfan5 do you use KDE?
15:13 Hirato_ um..... no?
15:13 sfan5 good
15:13 Calinou PilzAdam, it doesn't please me
15:13 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog#0.4.10_.E2.86.92_.3F → 0.4.10 section added to changelog!
15:13 Hirato_ awh, and here I thought you were going to install KDE 5 (prematurely!) and be my favourite minetest developer <_<
15:14 Calinou install GNOME 4
15:14 * Hirato_ whacks Calinou with a stale baguette
15:14 LemonLake 900 steps is how many seconds?
15:14 Exio 90?
15:14 LemonLake hm
15:14 Exio i think, not sure
15:15 Calinou steps are variable
15:15 Calinou use dtime!
15:15 Hirato_ context?
15:15 LemonLake i know
15:15 Calinou dtime is time spent between 2 steps
15:15 sfan5 Hirato_: xfce FTW
15:15 Calinou the step time seems to be as low as 0.01342 or such in singleplayer
15:15 LemonLake i suppose i just add dtime to age
15:15 Calinou yes
15:15 Hirato_ XFCE is too GTKy
15:15 fling Hello ;P
15:15 PenguinDad dtime == drag time?
15:15 LemonLake then if age > 2 then this entity can go fuck itself
15:15 LemonLake PenguinDad: delta time
15:15 sfan5 Hirato_: no
15:15 LemonLake iirc
15:15 Calinou on_step = function(self, dtime)
15:15 Calinou self.lifetimer = self.lifetimer - dtime
15:15 fling Calinou: I will now install a server inside of a nested lxc container :>
15:15 LemonLake Calinou: im aware
15:15 Calinou you'd add here, not remove probably
15:16 Calinou fling, what's the point?
15:16 LemonLake ah, 900 is 900 seconds
15:16 Calinou if you know the mods you're running, there should be no security issues
15:16 Calinou (and don't run the server as root)
15:16 Hirato_ not to mention, XFCE is terrible for the battery life of my laptops for whatever reason
15:16 Calinou Xfce*
15:16 Exio archlinux
15:16 Exio try another distro
15:16 Calinou works fine here, when I use a laptop.
15:16 fling Calinou: I don't want the deps on the host
15:16 Calinou (Xubuntu)
15:16 Calinou ah
15:16 Calinou fling, you should use Carbone too :p
15:16 * sfan5 throws Exio at Exio
15:16 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=15&amp;t=9033
15:17 fling Calinou: I will try different mods at weekends yes
15:17 Calinou it's a game, but compatible with all mods
15:17 fling Calinou: We need to decide what to use :>
15:17 Calinou (the engine is the same)
15:17 Exio not my fault that archlinux sucks too much, the only nice-and-awesome rolling release i've tried is gentoo so far :>
15:17 Exio ff
15:17 Calinou Debian Testing/Unstable?
15:17 Exio that isn't that rolling release
15:17 Hirato_ believe it or not, using KDE instead of XFCE made the battery last almost twice as long,
15:17 Hirato_ Exio confirmed for /g/ poster
15:17 Calinou weird
15:17 sfan5 :O :O :O :O
15:17 Calinou unstable is rolling
15:18 Calinou testing is half-rolling
15:18 Hirato_ debian unstable is too stable <_<
15:18 PenguinDad sid is rolling but I don't know where
15:18 fling Calinou: I will also create gentoo ebuilds for all the things I will use so other users will install them easily
15:18 Exio rofl PenguinDad
15:18 Exio that one is nice
15:18 Hirato_ ubuntu releases had more up to date packages, on the other hand, debian unstable was far more stable than any given ubuntu release :p
15:18 Exio debian sid+experimental isn't that "outdated"
15:18 fling Calinou: I don't like included mods :<
15:19 Exio i use(d) it ..
15:19 fling Calinou: what does this mean? are they just copied into the game folder?
15:19 Exio now my HDD died ;_;
15:19 fling Calinou: are they modified btw?
15:19 sfan5 Hirato_: https://pay.reddit.com/r/fossworldp​roblems/comments/27sko7/i_want_to_r​un_debian_stable_but_i_cant_stand/
15:19 sfan5 !title
15:19 MinetestBot sfan5: I want to run Debian stable, but I can't stand having outdated packages. : fossworldproblems
15:19 LemonLake its saying mean things to me
15:20 Hirato_ I enabled all repos, main community, non-free, whetever the hell that 4th one was aclled
15:20 Hirato_ and all sources, backports, patches, security, proposed
15:20 fling Calinou: tell me please! ;P
15:20 Hirato_ I don't even remember any more
15:21 Calinou fling, this replaces the default mods
15:21 Calinou improves them
15:21 Calinou more balanced, better textures, new stuff, etc
15:21 Calinou Hirato_, testing is sometimes in front of Ubuntu
15:21 Calinou except for kernel
15:22 fling Calinou: so the game (for example Calinou) contains some modified mods, right?
15:22 Calinou I don't think sid is stable
15:22 Hirato_ meh, I'm happy on Arch
15:22 Calinou Ubuntu releases work fine here, almost never had issues, if I had issues it's due to proprietary driver
15:22 Hirato_ I get the latest and greatest, right here, right now
15:22 Calinou fling, yes, so you don't have to install them by hand
15:22 Exio it is stable as long as you upgrade every week
15:22 Calinou eg. moreblocks
15:22 Hirato_ Hnnnnnnnnnnng
15:22 Calinou every 6 months isn't that short
15:22 Exio Hirato_, right here, right now, with 97% more crashes!
15:23 Hirato_ don't use the testing repos then, you ditz
15:23 fling Calinou: I want to create a separate package per mod hmm hmm but with these games things gets complicated…
15:23 Exio testing repos are only for core shit
15:23 LemonLake didn't quite work..
15:23 LemonLake ill work it out later
15:23 Calinou fling, if you want to make a package, package the whole game
15:24 Exio half of the packages are shit because some devs don't like to try the packages too much
15:24 Hirato_ testing... community-testing... multilib-testing.... I do indeed think testign encompasses both core and extra
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15:24 Exio wow, they changed it?
15:24 fling hmhmhmhmmm
15:25 fling Hirato_: ubuntu?
15:25 Hirato_ archlinux, pay attention!
15:25 Exio about the same thing
15:25 Hirato_ inb4 I get ctcp versioned
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15:25 fling https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.html
15:25 Exio gentoo > (archlinux|ubuntu)
15:25 Exio :D
15:25 fling Exio: yay!
15:25 sfan5 Hirato_: your version is out of date, update to v0.99.1
15:25 Hirato_ sfan5: <3
15:26 fling Exio: just set your ACCEPT_LICENSE="-* @FSF-APPROVED @FREE-DOCUMENTS"
15:26 Exio my main reason for using gentoo was the USE flags
15:26 fling Calinou: I will first complete my server setup then will try mods and then will decide how to package things properly :>
15:27 Exio "oh man, i don't like this dep around"
15:27 Hirato_ I still have to build my input method manually
15:27 fling Exio: I like setting CFLAGS, I like the possibility of using musl or uclibc
15:27 Hirato_ the uim package has bad flags for a KDE centric environment :P
15:28 fling Hirato_: use ibus
15:28 Hirato_ does mozc work with ibus?
15:28 Calinou <fling> https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.html
15:28 Calinou official derivatives don't suffer from this
15:29 Exio fling, \o/ you could take two random gentoos and they will differ a hell lot :D
15:29 Calinou but even Ubuntu is no longer really using Amazon stuff
15:29 fling Exio: yes for example different CHOST :P
15:29 fling Calinou: try trisquel?
15:29 Hirato_ Depends On     : dconf  gtk2  gtk3  hicolor-icon-theme  libnotify  python-dbus  python-gobject  iso-codes  libibus=1.5.7 <-- I think I'll skip on ibus, GTK2 and GTK3 ist verbotten
15:30 fling Hirato_: are you building for console?
15:30 fling Hirato_: btw don't you know how to convert X keymap to console style one?
15:30 Hirato_ nah, just loathe GTK
15:30 Calinou fling, Trisquel only bases itself on LTS
15:30 PenguinDad *verboten
15:30 Calinou gets too old over time
15:30 fling Calinou: this is one of the reasons I'm using gentoo.
15:30 Calinou whereas official derivatives are always updated, on release day (so, no release delays unlike Trisquel which easily has 4 month delay)
15:31 fling Calinou: I just set ACCEPT_LICENSE variable to a proper value…
15:31 Calinou oh, it's not like my PC can run without non-free firmware and driverzs
15:31 Calinou -z
15:31 fling Calinou: this is sad :< Have not you seen e350m1?
15:32 fling Calinou: you can even replace bios/efiblob with coreboot
15:32 sfan5 !g e350m1
15:32 MinetestBot sfan5: http://www.asrock.com/mb/amd/e350m1/
15:33 Exio i want that
15:33 fling http://www.coreboot.org/Board:asrock/e350m1
15:33 fling CHEAP!
15:33 Exio i'd love to use be able to use coreboot :(
15:33 fling Exio: and fast! especially when you use distcc :D
15:33 * sfan5 wants UEFI
15:33 Calinou crappy AMD mobo
15:34 Calinou old BIOS crap too
15:34 fling sfan5: coreboot might boot an uefi
15:34 Hirato_ it amazes me how firefox never fails to look horrible in any environment
15:34 sfan5 fling: I don't think my Laptop supports coreboot
15:34 fling sfan5: sad :\
15:34 * sfan5 builds ffmpeg
15:35 Calinou looks fine here, Hirato_
15:35 * fling builds world
15:35 Calinou Chromium integrates way worse
15:35 sfan5 .txt is opened with LibreOffice by default
15:35 sfan5 y?
15:35 Calinou I wouldn't ever use free BIOS anyway
15:35 Calinou anytime*
15:35 * fling is using xombrero
15:35 Hirato_ sfan5: pdf is opened in gimp/inkscape - y?
15:35 Hirato_ :P
15:35 fling Calinou: why not? coreboot might boot a free bios
15:35 Exio why not Calinou?
15:35 fling Calinou: like seabios
15:36 Exio i'm thinking about trying to get that mobo
15:36 fling seabios might be needed if you don't want to boot your kernel and/or grub directly
15:36 Calinou Supported Features
15:36 Exio seems a like thing i'd like to have, a cheap totally-open computer
15:36 Hirato_ I'd argue Chromium integrates better, by completely ignoring desktop colours, it doesn't produce a lot of idiotic shit like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.​com/u/23891252/mojirraaaa1.png
15:36 Calinou also, wiping warranty
15:37 fling Exio: I bork mine btw :P
15:37 fling Exio: accidentally connected usb rxtx with case, got flames
15:37 Hirato_ or like this https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2​3891252/2013-05-28-110241_scrot_2.png
15:38 Calinou ehm
15:38 * Krock gives Hirato_ a new, monochrom, cursor
15:38 Exio fling, where you trying to cook something? ;P
15:39 fling Exio: near r8169 chip :D
15:40 * Krock has a computer which eats power like an old light bulb
15:40 Hirato_ and let's not even talk about the black on black input widgets because mozilla's developers in their infinite wisdom decided to use the system's colour for the field's background, even though you've explicitly told it to (and it's the default preference too!) not use system colours
15:40 sfan5 lol
15:41 fling Hirato_: I have seen this issue, try xombrero :P
15:41 Hirato_ seriously, chrome's the ONLY browser that gets colours right
15:41 fling Hirato_: xombrero
15:41 sfan5 Hirato_: you can even tell chrom(e|ium) to use the GTK theme
15:41 Hirato_ yeah, but that doesn't leak all over the web
15:42 Hirato_ like it does it firefox... and everything else
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15:43 PenguinDad fling: xedora :P
15:43 Calinou joined #minetest
15:44 fling PenguinDad: I'm fedora hater btw
15:44 Exio what do you think about debian?
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15:45 Hirato_ interesting... xombrero does colours right too... and is fast...
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15:45 sfan5 Exio: .deb much complicated, very otherwise ok, wow
15:45 Hirato_ I should say 'responsive' rather
15:46 fling Hirato_: and read more about it
15:46 fling Hirato_: you can turn on white list mode
15:46 fling Hirato_: and you don't need mouse anymore
15:46 fling Hirato_: you can remove all the graphic elements btw :>
15:46 sfan5 docky says I have -6% memory usage
15:46 sfan5 gg
15:46 Hirato_ if I wanted that, I'd just use elinks
15:47 Hirato_ pfft, that's nothing
15:47 Exio sfan5, it is (e^(-6))%
15:47 Hirato_ http://i.imgur.com/wCjWNkh.png average day with firefox
15:47 sfan5 !c math.e ** (-6)
15:47 MinetestBot 0.0024787521766663594
15:47 sfan5 !c (math.e ** (-6)) * 100
15:47 MinetestBot 0.24787521766663595
15:48 sfan5 I don't think my memory usage is 0.2%
15:48 Exio make it (-1)^(-6) then
15:48 sfan5 !c -1 ** -6
15:48 MinetestBot -1.0
15:49 PenguinDad lol
15:49 sfan5 !c (-1) ** (-6)
15:49 MinetestBot 1.0
15:49 Exio !c (-1) ** (-5.32)
15:49 MinetestBot ValueError: negative number cannot be raised to a fractional power
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15:49 Exio THEY CAN
15:49 Hirato_ ...
15:49 Krock !c 997000 / 2096600 * 100
15:49 MinetestBot 0
15:50 sfan5 Krock: use floats
15:50 sfan5 !c 997000.0 / 2096600 * 100
15:50 MinetestBot 47.553181341219116
15:50 Krock !c 997000.0 / 2096600.0 * 100.0
15:50 MinetestBot 47.553181341219116
15:50 Krock uh. you're fast
15:50 sfan5 1 float is enough
15:50 Exio sfan5, setup a lambdabot
15:50 Krock 47% free memory
15:50 Exio so we can do haskell stuffz
15:50 Hirato_ http://i.imgur.com/wCjWNkh.png <-- so yeah, firefox <_<
15:50 Exio :D
15:50 sfan5 Exio: link pls
15:51 PenguinDad !c "meow " * (2 ** 5)
15:51 MinetestBot 'meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow '
15:51 * Krock things about abusing
15:51 Krock *thinks
15:51 Exio sfan5, http://www.haskell.org/haske​llwiki/Lambdabot#Installing
15:51 Hirato_ !c "meow".join(["moo", "quack"])
15:51 MinetestBot 'moomeowquack'
15:52 Krock !c "meow".replace("meow", "quack")
15:52 MinetestBot 'quack'
15:52 Krock :)
15:53 Hirato_ !c " meow ".join(["moo", "quack", "woof", "baaa"])
15:53 MinetestBot 'moo meow quack meow woof meow baaa'
15:53 Krock !c "sssssst".replace("s", "omg a creeper!").replace("t", "..but it doesn't exit in minetest! :D")
15:53 MinetestBot "omg a creeper!omg a creeper!omg a creeper!omg a creeper!omg a creeper!omg a creeper!..but it doesn't exit in minetest! :D"
15:53 PenguinDad !c "I know it".replace("know", "knew")
15:53 MinetestBot 'I knew it'
15:53 Krock <3 MinetestBot
15:53 MinetestBot <3 Krock
15:53 Hirato_ <3 <3 MinetestBot
15:53 Hirato_ :3
15:54 Krock !c !(!1 == 1) * "meow?"
15:54 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
15:55 Krock !c (!(!1 == 1))? "meow?" : "not meow"
15:55 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
15:55 sfan5 Hirato_, Krock: ##minetestbot
15:55 Krock oh
15:55 Hirato_ !c eval("exit()")
15:55 MinetestBot NameError: name 'eval' is not defined
15:55 Hirato_ :(
15:56 sfan5 Krock: python not javascript
15:56 Hirato_ so that would be
15:56 Krock hmm not only JS uses ()? :
15:56 fireglow is it a known issue that pipeworks filters are broken right now?
15:56 Hirato_ !c "meow?" if (!(!1 == 1)) else "not meow"
15:56 MinetestBot SyntaxError: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
15:56 Krock Hirato_!
15:56 Krock ##minetestbot
15:57 Krock fireglow, yup.
15:57 Hirato_ !rainbow look at how much I care!
15:57 MinetestBot 4l4o4o7k7 7a8t8 8h3o3w3 muc6h6 6I ca4r4e4!
15:57 fireglow :/
15:57 PenguinDad MinetestBot: my rainbows are better
15:58 PenguinDad Krock: Beatles are "Evil lil monsters that are produced from other people."
15:58 Hirato_ yours are too green
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15:58 Krock PenguinDad, whyyyy???
15:58 PenguinDad Krock: cleverbot said that
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16:11 Calinou <fling> PenguinDad: I'm fedora hater BTW
16:11 Calinou http://images.wikia.com/mlpfanart/images​/4/41/Rainbow_Dash_haters_gonna_hate.gif
16:12 PenguinDad Calinou++
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16:13 Jordach >Calinou bitching about non-free software >uses wikia
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16:15 Calinou server-side software is secondary
16:15 Calinou I'm only linking to an image anyway
16:17 PenguinDad Calinou: https://pod.geraspora.de/uploads​/images/361f3be0f9351cb51b73.png
16:20 Hirato_ I bet Calinou went to dashcon
16:20 Hirato_ I'm sorry, that was really mean
16:21 Calinou I don't go to “con”s
16:22 Exio calinou doesn't like lists
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16:45 Jordach paramat, up early? :P
16:45 paramat way too early
16:46 Jordach paramat, probably the heat :)
16:46 Jordach 23C
16:47 Jordach at least the older version of Command Centre doesn't try and mess with focused windows
16:50 Exio >heat
16:50 Exio >23C
16:50 Exio that is coldish
16:50 Jordach Exio, for you :P
16:50 Exio true, UK
16:50 Jordach /r/unitedkingdom :P
16:50 Calinou more than 30°C here!
16:50 Calinou 34°C hit today
16:50 Exio we got >40C
16:50 Jordach Calinou, did you surrender to the heat?
16:50 Exio in summer
16:50 Exio iirc the peak was at about 41-42C
16:51 Exio 42C, dat temp
16:51 Jordach Exio, last year we had 38C
16:51 Jordach tl;dr might get some large fans and attach them to my PSU
16:51 Jordach no need for desk fans
16:52 paramat i never use the word 'hot' in England, it's only 'warm' here
16:53 Krock warm and rainy
16:53 Jordach paramat, /s/warm/melting/ s/hot/melting/
16:56 Calinou no
16:56 * sfan5 meows at Jordach
16:58 * sfan5 meows at Calinou
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17:04 PenguinDad where's the difference in this image? https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5Xs​rp22CN1Z6nBCf0q_6QvPUwK_1XgPdwTdcVdkl​Vlns1p1jxbPv5F1OQVbf53Hj3ethx_0wsKw
17:05 * Jordach sarcastically does the same
17:06 paramat The English only complain about the heat because they're so fat ;)
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17:07 Jordach u wot m8
17:09 Jordach PenguinDad, https://mediacru.sh/c656f5e54328
17:09 sfan5 Jordach: meow
17:09 Jordach wat
17:09 Jordach (i've also seen MC use 55mb of ram at one point and keep it there)
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17:13 Calinou what's the difference, Jordach? MT limits FPS to ~60 by default
17:13 Calinou unlike Minecraft which doesn't care much
17:13 Krock Jordach, using vsync on minetest?
17:14 Calinou # If FPS would go higher than this, limit it by sleeping
17:14 Calinou # (to not waste CPU power for no benefit)
17:14 Calinou #fps_max = 60
17:14 Calinou I thank celeron55 a lot for this (told him to do that, actually)
17:14 Calinou fps_max = 0 should disable limit, use ONLY for tests
17:14 Exio minetest works differently about the range
17:15 Calinou oh, use a fixed range
17:15 Jordach i actually get WORSE fps with vsync ENABLED
17:15 Calinou vsync slightly reduces FPS, increases stuttering and input lag
17:15 Calinou just use a FPS limit
17:15 Jordach Calinou, it fluctuates extremely frequently in MT
17:16 Calinou make the view range fixed
17:16 Calinou done that since long time ago here
17:16 Calinou if you know your hardware, it's fine
17:16 Jordach i'm wasting more power by trying to save energy
17:16 Exio ?
17:16 Jordach my framerate was between 45 and 61
17:18 Jordach all my cores are at 4.3 ghz :P
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17:18 Calinou your GPU is way more important here
17:18 Krock ^
17:18 Calinou enable mip-mapping if not already done
17:19 Calinou disable clouds!
17:19 Calinou both in Minecraft and Minetest
17:19 Exio Jordach, all my cores can go up to 4.4ghz, and my gpu is shit
17:19 Calinou so that they don't crash into high buildings too :p
17:19 Exio i still have shitty FPS eh
17:20 Krock Calinou, how to disableclouds?
17:20 Exio http://www.cse.chalmers.se/edu/year/2011/​course/TIN321/lectures/bnfc-tutorial.html :D
17:20 Calinou enable_clouds = false
17:20 Calinou enable_3d_clouds = false
17:20 Calinou (to have 2D clouds in menu)
17:21 * Krock has a dirt-menu
17:21 Exio stop being dirty
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17:22 Krock Exio, tell that to linux git-compiled minetest versions
17:22 * sfan5 meows at Exio
17:22 Calinou dirt menu seems to be no longer in 0.4.10
17:22 Calinou even with clouds off
17:22 Calinou singleplayer menu will use game background
17:22 Calinou dark grey in Carbone, dark green (chalkboard colour :P) in minimal…
17:22 * Krock has dirt everywhere
17:23 Krock weee! no clouds anymore!
17:25 Krock 3d-glasses support with "3d_mode = anaglyph"
17:27 ShadowNinja sfan5: What's MC-URLInfo for?
17:28 sfan5 https://mediacru.sh/gffTa8YWULK8
17:28 MC-URLInfo MediaCrush: Video with subtitles, Wide 480p
17:28 sfan5 that
17:37 sapier if game background is specified it's used
17:37 sapier dirt is only available if no game background is specified ... and it's "menu_clouds" for what I remember
17:38 Krock there are 3 clouds settings
17:39 Krock 3d coulds, menu clouds and ingame clouds
17:39 sapier only the one with "menu" in it is relevant for menu
17:39 Krock 3d clouds,too :P
17:39 sapier really?
17:40 sapier actually not very surprising as code is most likely copy&paste
17:41 Krock by default, there are 3d clouds in the menu, which are possible to switch to 2d
17:41 Krock this affects ingame, too
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17:44 Calinou “mgv6_freq_desert = 0.4” is lower more deserts or less?!
17:44 Calinou I want a world with a lot of beaches, but less deserts
17:46 Krock frequency... this means, it makes them larger, or?
17:47 Krock Calinou, use dummy backend and use values like 0.1 and 1 :P
17:48 Calinou I reduced desert frequency, on mapper I see pretty large deserts, not enough plains
17:51 * Krock throws noisetest at Calinou
17:57 Krock making fly mode smoother could be a nice feature... gonna scroll throught all possible settings
17:59 Calinou it's worse
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18:27 jp You server is surprisingly frequented, sfan5 ;)
18:27 sfan5 yeah
18:27 sfan5 !server Meowtest
18:27 MinetestBot sfan5: Meowtest 0.4.10 "SEGFAULTY" | minetest.org:30018 | Clients: 20/25, 0/23 | Version: 0.4.10-rc1 / meowtest_game | Ping: 22ms
18:27 sfan5 20 people..
18:31 jp !server 8dromeda.minetest.net
18:31 MinetestBot jp: No results
18:33 PenguinDad !server wow
18:33 MinetestBot PenguinDad: No results
18:35 Krock !server pvp
18:35 MinetestBot ZeroDivisionError: float division by zero (file "/home/user/mtbot/modules/server.py", line 143, in server)
18:35 Krock weee
18:35 Krock I count this as no results
18:36 sfan5 Krock: nope, that is actually some result
18:37 sfan5 !server pvp
18:37 MinetestBot sfan5: VikingCrafters [Brasil] Survival e PVP | 208.115.206.174 | Clients: 0/17, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.10-eec456b / viking | Ping: 12ms
18:37 sfan5 ^ Krock
18:37 Krock sfan5, why did it give me an error then?
18:37 sfan5 because there was something broken
18:37 Krock ah
18:37 sfan5 but I just fixed it
18:37 Krock cool :)
18:37 sfan5 Krock: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/c​ommit/5cfa4bc158781054f2875be7aa8b5a2e760b9dc3
18:38 Krock ah. top players = 0 caused this error
18:38 Krock s/top/max
18:41 Krock .sv test
18:42 PenguinDad !sv FFA
18:42 MinetestBot PenguinDad: No results
18:44 Krock okay. a better graphics card can reduce the CPU usage
18:44 Calinou https://cdn.mediacru.sh/0FRaWpbAXeXl.jpg | https://cdn.mediacru.sh/wdPbFZLAgCkU.jpg
18:44 Calinou made a photo seamless with GIMP, generated normal and parallax map
18:44 Calinou Krock, I'd say the inverse, since the CPU would be used more
18:45 jp AssaultCube, Calinou ?
18:45 Krock Calinou, ehm...why? the grpahics card can take off someload
18:45 Krock +
18:45 Krock [spaces]
18:45 Calinou it doesn't work like that; if you have more frames, then the CPU will be used more to show these frames and handle them
18:45 Calinou jp, Tesseract
18:45 jp On which game ?
18:46 PenguinDad jp: http://tesseract.gg/
18:48 jp Good for compete with Rust.
18:48 Krock wut? imgur got a new .css file
18:49 PenguinDad Krock: why "wut?"?
18:49 Krock just so.
18:50 Calinou to make meme viewing easier
18:50 PenguinDad --random-input gives me some nausea
18:54 Krock http://imgur.com/gallery/OVwgPaz
18:54 Krock :D
18:58 sfan5
18:58 sfan5 yay
18:58 sfan5 it works
19:01 Krock http://i.imgur.com/osLfUxu.gif
19:01 Krock O.O
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19:06 PenguinDad It's alive!
19:08 sfan5 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitco​in/comments/2aycxs/-/cizyqyz
19:08 sfan5 O_O
19:08 PenguinDad 0_0
19:09 Calinou ø_ø
19:09 PenguinDad Ø_Ø
19:09 Calinou °_°
19:11 Krock ([Õ_Õ])
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19:22 UukGoblin is there any way I could trigger gunpowder ignition?
19:22 UukGoblin like from a microcontroller?
19:23 VanessaE maybe a pipeworks nodebreaker loaded with a torch? :)
19:23 UukGoblin awesome! :-)
19:24 UukGoblin thanks
19:24 VanessaE I've never tried that
19:24 VanessaE I don't know if it'll work
19:24 UukGoblin I see they can also dig
19:24 VanessaE I just know that nodebreakers dig using whatever they're loaded with
19:24 UukGoblin pretty cool
19:24 sfan5 VanessaE: if it does an on_punch it will work
19:24 UukGoblin well, it actually says they use a mese pick
19:24 VanessaE so maybe the dig action will trigger that
19:24 VanessaE UukGoblin: by default but you can put something else in them to dig with
19:25 UukGoblin ah, that's great :-)
19:25 VanessaE sfan5: hm, ok.  never tried it anyway
19:25 sfan5 Krock: 1) why are you not in #minetest-de ? 2) eventuell kürzt man überlicherweise mit evtl. ab (nicht ev.)
19:26 Calinou #minetest-fr has me and ChanServ, usually
19:26 Calinou sometimes jp
19:28 Calinou https://gitorious.org/projects/calinou/issues
19:28 Calinou halleliuah
19:28 Calinou VanessaE, ^
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19:28 Calinou it looks like it's per-project and not per-repository
19:29 VanessaE Calinou: yay :)
19:30 Calinou will link to it in my topics
19:30 Krock hallelujah
19:32 Krock Calinou, no issues = users are think, it's nt enough important to report them
19:32 Krock :P
19:32 Krock -are
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19:34 Calinou https://gitorious.org/calinou → added bug tracker button below project name
19:34 Calinou Krock, issues are per-project (this means the same issue tracker is used for Carbone and the mods), but there probably won't be tons of issues, so I can triage them by hand.
19:34 Calinou I'll tag depending on the affected repository
19:35 Calinou feel free to submit some stuff
19:36 Calinou bye
19:37 Krock bye
19:39 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Comp​iling_Minetest&amp;diff=2250&amp;oldid=2247 → bibrary
19:39 Calinou http://dev.minetest.net/index.php?title=Comp​iling_Minetest&amp;diff=1716&amp;oldid=1715 → they did it :)
19:44 Krock visual studio isn't required for compiling only
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20:03 sfan5 !c math.sqrt
20:03 MinetestBot <built-in function sqrt>
20:04 sfan5 !c math.sqrt(5*5*7), math.sqrt(5*5) * math.sqrt(7), 5 * math.sqrt(7)
20:04 MinetestBot (13.228756555322953, 13.228756555322953, 13.228756555322953)
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20:13 sfan5 meow
20:14 Exio \o/
20:14 Exio BNFC
20:14 Exio now i have the AST
20:14 Exio and i can interprete it
20:14 Exio i have my made-up programming language! :D
20:17 * sfan5 throws a brainfuck to c optimizing compiler at Exio
20:17 Exio i have a (dynamic) functional language now \o/
20:19 * sfan5 throws other dynamic languages at Exio
20:21 Exio sfan5, http://spark-public.s3.amazonaws.​com/proglang/assignments/hw5.pdf
20:21 sfan5 pff
20:21 sfan5 copy-paste
20:22 Exio ?_?
20:22 Exio i based my MUPL on that one, but i'm coding in haskell, not racket
20:22 sfan5 o_o
20:22 sfan5 o
20:22 sfan5 ok+
20:22 sfan5 s/+//
20:22 Exio what
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20:26 UukGoblin funny... you can only fill a bucket from lava sources
20:26 UukGoblin so even though there's plenty of lava flowing... once you convert a source into a non-source by filling your bucket... heh
20:26 UukGoblin it runs out!
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20:30 UukGoblin can I kick the green balls out for good? they keep respawning in one particular spot...
20:31 UukGoblin they must have a nest there or something
20:35 MinetestBot GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Speedup mapblock_mesh f0db6c4 2014-07-17T22:28:14+02:00 http://git.io/NlOioA
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20:46 UukGoblin hmm, the "moreores" mod seems to add copper, tin, silver and gold - but I've found copper and gold in stock minecraft already :-O
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20:51 UukGoblin one more thing - "Trying to store id=xx statically but block (x, y, z) already contains 82 objects. Forcing delete." <- is that safely ignorable?
20:51 UukGoblin I keep getting quite a lot of these now
20:52 UukGoblin started with about 50 objects, it's at 80 now
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21:04 sapier UukGoblin: partial
21:04 sapier those entities wont be permanent as they aren't saved
21:04 jp__ This topic can bring confusion with the another Calinou's MoreBlocks : https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2817
21:04 Jordach wait wait wait wait
21:04 Jordach RealBadAngel, where's the freaking meshnodes
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21:07 Jordach you like asked me in JUNE to do something
21:08 VanessaE he's at work, Jordach
21:08 Jordach VanessaE, 11pm over there D:
21:09 Jordach VanessaE, good news
21:09 Jordach you might have a gift for homedecor :)
21:09 VanessaE he works odd hours
21:09 VanessaE oh?
21:09 Jordach VanessaE, however, it's probably maybe not going to work :P
21:11 Jordach or might, that's the question :3
21:11 Jordach (hint - it'll look stupidly amazing
21:11 VanessaE well let me see the damn thing already :P
21:11 * Jordach constructs it for BFD
21:12 Jordach i don't use other games to develop from :P
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21:15 VanessaE :P
21:16 Jordach however, you'll have to figure the crafting out
21:16 VanessaE I'll come up with something, if you'll show me what it IS :)
21:17 Jordach tl;dr i fucked up again
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21:22 * Jordach isn't sure about being an asshole with this by not using a plane or deciding on something mush easier to texture
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21:38 UukGoblin one of the mods (tecnic? moreores? pipeworks?) changed my steel ingots into wrought iron ingots :-O
21:39 VanessaE technic.
21:39 VanessaE it's still the same thing, it's just renamed.
21:39 VanessaE it'll still work in all recipes that call for steel ingots.
21:40 UukGoblin hmm
21:40 UukGoblin doesn't seem to want to combine with copper to form bronze, though
21:40 VanessaE good.
21:40 PenguinDad UukGoblin: don't be sacred of wrought iron
21:40 VanessaE that's because it shouldn't.
21:40 VanessaE use TIN and copper.
21:40 UukGoblin oh.
21:40 PenguinDad *scared
21:40 VanessaE (and I think you use an alloy furnace to make that)
21:40 UukGoblin right.
21:41 UukGoblin thanks :-)
21:42 Exio \o/
21:42 Exio MUPL IS ALIVE!!! MUAHAHAHAHA
21:43 VanessaE ?
21:43 Exio my made up programming language
21:43 UukGoblin uhm, congrats, I guess ;-)
21:43 VanessaE oh
21:43 Exio i guess too
21:43 PenguinDad MUPL == Maniac user proud of lamps
21:44 Exio Made-Up Programming Language
21:44 Exio also, the syntax i'm using atm http://dpaste.com/03FEJDY
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21:56 UukGoblin so where can I find the new tools? like, what's the most kick-ass pickaxe now? Can I make one out of brass?
21:56 UukGoblin is stainless steel good for swords / shovels etc?
21:59 UukGoblin omg a green ball appeared out of nowhere... they're scary
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22:28 UukGoblin am I right that after installing all these new mods, the new ores should start appearing after I dig up roughly 16x16 blocks down?
22:30 VanessaE new ores will appear in map areas you haven't explored yet
22:30 VanessaE I don't know if there's a brass pick though
22:30 VanessaE I forget what all stainless steel is used for
22:30 VanessaE a green ball?  screenshot?
22:31 VanessaE most kick-ass pick is probably still a mese pick.  note to self:  un-nerf it in Dreambuilder at some point.
22:32 UukGoblin hmm
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22:32 UukGoblin 1337 uses vs diamond's 30
22:32 UukGoblin yeah, that wins if true
22:32 UukGoblin VanessaE, ok, I'll screenshot the green ball next time I see it
22:34 UukGoblin those "new map areas" - that's what I'm thinking. After digging 16 cubes deep, these should be new areas, right?
22:35 UukGoblin I've found some mese and diamond, but still no tin or silver yet
22:35 VanessaE it depends on how much you have already explored
22:36 UukGoblin on the surface - quite a lot
22:36 UukGoblin deep underground - just a long tunnel down
22:36 VanessaE I don't know how deep the map generates by default, probably 5 mapblocks (80m)
22:37 VanessaE well that tunnel will have a fairly wide berth of "old" map generated around it also
22:37 UukGoblin right
22:38 UukGoblin so in short, keep digging
22:38 VanessaE yup
22:38 UukGoblin I'm getting good at this. :-D
22:38 VanessaE but I don't know how deep the ores you're interested in will go
22:38 UukGoblin I'm at -335 right now
22:38 UukGoblin are you saying tin might be a shallow one?
22:38 VanessaE it might be, I dunno
22:39 VanessaE check the code :)
22:39 UukGoblin :-]
22:39 UukGoblin yeah, RTFS actually works a lot of time
22:39 VanessaE hm
22:39 UukGoblin but docs would be nice too ;-)
22:39 VanessaE the code seems to suggest it'll just keep on going
22:39 UukGoblin good. thanks :-)
22:39 VanessaE 8 meters and on down
22:40 VanessaE +8 that is
22:40 VanessaE silver from -2 on down
22:40 VanessaE mithril from -512 on down
22:42 UukGoblin ta
22:42 UukGoblin mithril should be fun
22:42 UukGoblin I saw some teleporting chests
22:43 UukGoblin aha! my first zinc lump
22:43 UukGoblin at -359
22:43 UukGoblin you were right about the 80 meters then, I started the new mod at around -260
22:44 VanessaE :)
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23:19 UukGoblin wanna sell cobblestone
23:22 UukGoblin something's wrong with this gravel
23:22 UukGoblin firstly, when you shovel it from the bottom, to top-most blocks sometimes disappear
23:22 UukGoblin (same happens e.g. with papyrus, and sometimes leaves)
23:23 UukGoblin when I came back to an area where I did this, now I see a lot of randomly placed new gravel blocks, which I can't shovel off
23:23 UukGoblin (sometimes I can, sometimes not)
23:23 UukGoblin when I mouse over it, I see GenericCAO hp=10 armor={immortal=1, }
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23:26 Jordach http://paste.debian.net/110347/ meta:set_string isn't saving
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23:41 Jordach I'M AN IDIOT
23:44 Exio old news
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23:52 UukGoblin VanessaE, http://i.imgur.com/Qk4OW0V.png
23:53 UukGoblin the green ball screenshot ^
23:53 VanessaE wtf?
23:53 VanessaE what is that thing?
23:53 UukGoblin it merrily jumps up and down, attacks me when I get close, and splits into 2 smaller balls when I attack it
23:53 VanessaE sounds like a slime?
23:53 UukGoblin has a healthbar, but one smite from my diamond sword kills it
23:54 UukGoblin I wish I knew what it was.
23:54 UukGoblin can I maybe debug it somehow?
23:54 VanessaE idk :)
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23:59 UukGoblin \o/ first Mithril lump

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