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00:05 kaeza is #-delta even alive?
00:10 Mallot1 kaeza: no it redirectsd to minetest-dev
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00:11 kaeza I take it as no
00:11 The_Beast Hey
00:11 The_Beast It say my password is wrong when i do /msg NickServ identify
00:24 Mallot1 did you try "/msg NickServ identify [password]"?
00:24 Mallot1 The_Beast:^^
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00:36 The_Beast let me see
00:36 The_Beast Nope Dont Work
00:37 The_Beast I know that i am putting right password
00:46 Mallot1 are you sure you spelled you username correctly? The_Beast
00:46 The_Beast Yes 100% sure
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00:49 WindHero Well, I got a beta version of the thermometer/barometer mod up: https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&t=9439
00:50 The_Beast WindHere you should make like when the temp goes two high you lose water bar
00:50 The_Beast And when it gets to cold you lose health
00:51 WindHero hmm
00:51 WindHero that could be interesting
00:51 The_Beast Yeah i gonna post on git
00:51 WindHero but only after it is completely finished with the base functionality
00:51 The_Beast ok
00:52 WindHero the main purpose I made the mod
00:52 WindHero is to make it easier to see what biomes you are near
00:52 The_Beast ok
00:54 WindHero I think I just finally got tired of trying to debug every new biome I add to skylands, so I wanted to be able to tell how likely I was to find a particular one nearby
00:57 The_Beast Alright.
01:00 The_Beast Hey Vazon
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01:50 zat lol LOL now I just realized
01:50 zat lmao
01:53 WindHero ?
01:53 zat (19:44:25) zat: #j /lmms
01:53 zat *genius*
01:54 WindHero #j /lmms
01:54 WindHero yeah
01:54 WindHero I see what happened
01:54 WindHero # and / swapped, lol
01:54 fireglow very good
01:54 zat http://images.wikia.com/potcoplayer​s/images/e/e8/Genius-rage-face.png
01:55 WindHero heh
01:55 WindHero I'm really pushing myself
01:56 WindHero to rework the code of kaeza's imageloader mod to treat images as biome maps :P
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03:48 Vazon !up minetest.org 30012
03:48 MinetestBot minetest.org:30012 is up (984ms)
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04:31 SpongeElephant Hai!
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07:30 Zeno` Hi, is anyone else having problems with the latest version of minetest-irc?
07:40 VanessaE what sort of problem?
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11:36 raffahacks hi megaf
11:37 Megaf Hi there
11:38 raffahacks have you seen the mac ports?
11:46 Megaf yep
11:46 Megaf they work quite well, with only minor issues
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13:44 realtinymonster Hi!
13:44 Krock Finally
13:44 Krock My mouse works again perfectly
13:45 realtinymonster Woot!
13:45 Krock About 8 years old and still no big damages
13:46 fireglow which mouse is it?
13:47 Krock MAXDATA
13:51 FreeFull I'd expect an optical or laser mouse to work pretty much forever without any maintenance
13:51 FreeFull Unless you intentionally damage it
13:51 FreeFull Ball mice you'll have to clean
13:52 Krock ^
13:52 Krock cleaning makes somehow...fun
13:52 Krock <ExtremeG2IsAmazing>lazer mice are pretty low quality
13:52 FreeFull You get to play with the ball
13:52 Krock nah
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13:56 Krock fireglow, <Krock>MAXDATA
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14:09 realtinymonster CraigyDavi!
14:09 CraigyDavi Hi realtinymonster
14:09 realtinymonster howsit?
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14:17 sfan5| meow
14:22 Krock meow
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14:25 realtinymonster LemonLake!
14:26 LemonLake what
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14:36 realtinymonster Hi
14:39 voidfire_ hello
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14:40 voidfire_ new guy here
14:40 LemonLake okay
14:41 voidfire_ is minetest a single player only ?
14:41 LemonLake Nope!
14:41 voidfire_ or I could use it to connect to my local server?
14:41 LemonLake Go onto the forums to find a server, then connect to it in the Client tab
14:41 voidfire_ online mode false on
14:41 proller http://servers.minetest.net/
14:41 MinetestBot GIT: maciej.kasatkin@o2.pl commited to minetest/minetest: Re-add missing shaders setting. (Generate normalmaps) f70e0556fc 2014-06-04T16:41:33+02:00 http://git.io/skxOsA
14:42 voidfire_ nah I dont wanna play. I just wanna mess with minecraft server admining / modding etc
14:42 LemonLake finally
14:42 LemonLake Host one in Server tab and add the mods that you need
14:42 voidfire_ and Im 2 days into that and learneed lots. but I need a cracked client of some sorts to be able to test from my archlinux
14:42 voidfire_ rather than having my lil bro messing from windows :3
14:42 voidfire_ thus not testing :3
14:43 LemonLake A 'cracked client'?
14:43 LemonLake This game is free.
14:43 voidfire_ thanks for your input:)
14:43 voidfire_ well the actuall mine craft isnt
14:43 LemonLake This isn't minecraft.
14:43 voidfire_ and I run a craftbukkit server of some sorts
14:43 voidfire_ I know
14:43 voidfire_ that why Im asking those questions above
14:43 LemonLake You have to build the linux client yourself
14:44 realtinymonster LemonLake: not necicarrly
14:44 RealBadAngel but its wiser to do so
14:44 realtinymonster yeah
14:44 RealBadAngel and its not that hard after all
14:44 realtinymonster ^ -1
14:45 voidfire meow
14:45 RealBadAngel in fact building mt is as easy as copy paste 3 lines and waiting a bit
14:46 realtinymonster RealBadAngel: that is when you have cutting edge linux
14:46 RealBadAngel not really
14:46 RealBadAngel im on rather old xubuntu
14:46 voidfire im on arch thus cutting edge and such
14:47 realtinymonster RealBadAngel: LTS?
14:47 voidfire I wish I could forward my server and get some tech savvy peer to mess with me both in game and over in the servers shell in my adventures of messing with it
14:48 RealBadAngel 12.04
14:48 voidfire yet despite firewalls rules and router properly forwarded it doesnt seem to be facing forward properly (for some reason)
14:49 voidfire and services online that test ports show that its properly forwarded
14:49 voidfire puzzling stuff :3
14:49 RealBadAngel get xubuntu, it will work out of the box ;)
14:50 voidfire I dont think my host OS is the preblem here
14:50 voidfire since it runs on a vbox in bridged mode
14:51 RealBadAngel trying to run mt in vbox?
14:51 LemonLake Ah.
14:51 LemonLake I had the same issue.
14:52 LemonLake Just install linux aside your Windows
14:52 LemonLake you won't regret it
14:52 realtinymonster LemonLake: but I will :P
14:52 RealBadAngel hell, try that, install vbox on windows, run there some linux distro, add wine and try running windows mt binaries ;)
14:52 voidfire o.o
14:52 RealBadAngel hardcore :)
14:52 LemonLake ooooooooooohgod
14:52 voidfire lol
14:52 realtinymonster yeah
14:52 voidfire im not planning on installing windows aside my arch
14:53 RealBadAngel i do have windows because of one single app
14:53 RealBadAngel crazybump
14:54 LemonLake I have windows because of most adobe applications, streaming, most gaming etc
14:54 LemonLake but I have managed to get photoshop running in Linux so that's pretty cool
14:54 realtinymonster LemonLake: OBS
14:54 LemonLake That's what I stream with.
14:54 realtinymonster on Linux?
14:54 LemonLake But it doesn't work fully in Linux and OBS-Studio isn't released for it yet.
14:54 realtinymonster ah
14:54 realtinymonster ok
14:55 RealBadAngel btw, about streamin, i wonder how mt could handle streamed ogg files
14:55 realtinymonster brb
14:55 LemonLake Just as well as any other engine?
14:55 RealBadAngel could be fun to have internet radio in game
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14:56 LemonLake Hmm
14:56 LemonLake Maybe servers could have like a voice chat feature or, like you said, some sort of radio thing
14:56 LemonLake perhaps for RP servers?
14:57 Jordach TIL this guys picture is bullshit and not an illusion
14:57 Jordach https://forum.minetest.net/memberli​st.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=6880
14:57 LemonLake Is it supposed to be an illusion?
14:57 Jordach should be
14:57 LemonLake Is it the dark grey in the middle?
14:57 Jordach but the rotated square is #bfbfbf in colour
14:57 Jordach and the circle is #ffffff
14:57 LemonLake Middle is #f4f4f4
14:58 LemonLake b4b4b4*
14:58 LemonLake SHIT
14:58 Jordach *414141
14:58 LemonLake 414141
14:58 LemonLake I can't type
14:58 LemonLake Well what's it supposed to be?
14:58 Jordach i don't know (i wondered if that was a legit illusion)
14:58 LemonLake http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/366​/b/3/profile_picture_by_ak399-d5pxbp4.png
14:59 LemonLake You can see it more clearly there
14:59 Jordach and my eyes can tell the difference between the two colours
14:59 LemonLake Mhm
14:59 Jordach left and right are still different
14:59 LemonLake I think most can
14:59 RealBadAngel https://github.com/CapsAdmin/pac3/blob/m​aster/lua/pac3/core/client/parts/ogg.lua
14:59 RealBadAngel looks like it could be easily ported to mt
15:00 LemonLake I never got the streaming in Pac3 to work, though
15:01 Jordach ugh - much better
15:01 Jordach mouthful of Alkaline makes my acid reflex much less painful
15:02 Krock Strange bug: Somehow dying in lava and timing out at same time -> save hp = 0 in server -> rejoin -> can't die anymore
15:02 Jordach hmm
15:02 Jordach or just exit the client as it happens
15:02 Krock well, I had to edit the player file to fix it
15:02 * Jordach wouldn't mind HP-1
15:03 Krock ^
15:03 realtinymonster that is cool
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15:03 realtinymonster Its a Penguin!
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15:06 PenguinDad Hello everypony!
15:06 LemonLake hi
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15:07 realtinymonster A wild ShadowNinja appears!
15:07 realtinymonster damn
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15:09 realtinymonster A wild BrandonReese appears!
15:09 realtinymonster hey!
15:09 BrandonReese hello. I don't know about wild but I am here...
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15:09 realtinymonster BrandonReese: hehe
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15:11 LemonLake wut
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15:12 nman3600 hi
15:12 LemonLake mk
15:14 realtinymonster nman3600: Hai!
15:15 LemonLake omfg im raging at libreoffice
15:15 LemonLake its so baaaaaaaad
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15:16 nman3600 hi realtinymonster
15:16 realtinymonster LemonLake: no its naught
15:16 * nman3600 is so pissed off right now
15:16 * realtinymonster tells nman3600 to stop being pissed off right now
15:16 nman3600 lol
15:16 LemonLake realtinymonster: it's unusable
15:17 realtinymonster LemonLake: by extention, OpenOffice is as well
15:17 LemonLake extension**
15:17 nman3600 someone say my username (full one please) just testing my sounds
15:17 LemonLake nmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa​aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan36000000
15:17 realtinymonster nman3600: Ping!
15:17 nman3600 k it works
15:17 LemonLake realtinymonster: Pong! Ha, gotcha!
15:17 realtinymonster Narg!
15:18 LemonLake what happens if I pong the server early...
15:18 realtinymonster I wish piracy worked better...
15:18 LemonLake Piracy?
15:18 realtinymonster LemonLake: nothing too interesting
15:18 LemonLake it doesn't work well because it's not intended to even be possible
15:19 realtinymonster LemonLake: Abandonware = Piracy
15:19 realtinymonster its kinda dumb
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15:21 Vazon Good morning
15:21 realtinymonster Acclaim Entertainment went under in '07, but their games are under copyright still technically, but there is nobody to enforce said copyright...
15:21 realtinymonster ^ LemonLake
15:22 realtinymonster which suchs like no other, because I can't for the life of me find a working version for the PC...
15:22 LemonLake =don't pirate it then
15:22 realtinymonster LemonLake: But nobody cares anymore!
15:22 realtinymonster lol
15:23 * realtinymonster pulls out hex editor to inspect the EXE that Avira detected
15:25 realtinymonster I still wish that Acclaim didn't go under...
15:25 LemonLake What game specifically?
15:25 realtinymonster LemonLake: I want to make an improved version of the game Extreme-G 2
15:25 Krock Avira is not the best antivirus
15:25 LemonLake What happened to making a 1024mb expansion pack for the N64?
15:26 realtinymonster LemonLake: I decided not to try
15:26 LemonLake You're coming up with ideas that you'll never actually accomplish, get in level with reality
15:26 jp___ Stop to use Winbeurk. Turn on Linux.
15:26 LemonLake ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6
15:26 LemonLake Also, realtiny
15:26 realtinymonster yus?
15:26 LemonLake you can remake a game without pirating it.
15:26 realtinymonster LemonLake: can I now?
15:27 LemonLake You don't need original files to make an improved version of a game.
15:27 realtinymonster you need the engine?
15:27 LemonLake You just need a concept, a plan, someone to do your dirty work (art, modelling, etc) and a lot of time.
15:27 LemonLake Not necessarily.
15:28 LemonLake The engine itself is pretty simple
15:28 * realtinymonster was going to use Descent as an arguement, didn't think it through enough...
15:29 LemonLake You don't think much through enough to be honest
15:29 realtinymonster Descent is a different animal completely
15:30 realtinymonster It was made Open Source to the public
15:30 realtinymonster and Extreme-G wasn't (which is annoying)
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15:42 realtinymonster ^ LemonLake
15:43 LemonLake realtinymonster: patience
15:43 realtinymonster 12 minutes?
15:43 realtinymonster lol
15:43 LemonLake 12 minutes is nothing in irc
15:43 LemonLake commonly some replies can take weeks
15:44 realtinymonster :O
15:44 realtinymonster thats nuts
15:46 Jordach Extreme-G on the N64 was the bomb
15:47 realtinymonster yeah
15:47 realtinymonster Jordach: the controls for XG2 on the PC is like insane
15:47 realtinymonster J to accelerate...
15:47 realtinymonster sut
15:48 realtinymonster *wut
15:48 RealBadAngel Jordach, so what about meshes i asked for?
15:48 Jordach RealBadAngel, i've not been in the mood for that for ages
15:48 m5 Hello everyone!
15:48 RealBadAngel you want that feature in or not? ;)
15:48 Jordach too busy doing other stuff
15:48 RealBadAngel oh cmon, youre blender god here
15:49 RealBadAngel who else i could ask if not you
15:49 Jordach RealBadAngel, exams > other stuff
15:49 RealBadAngel summer is coming
15:49 RealBadAngel so propably exams will end soonish?
15:49 Jordach i can do it on Tuesday
15:50 realtinymonster Jordach: Tuesday was yesterday :P
15:50 RealBadAngel hehe
15:51 RealBadAngel Jordach, just spin ur ass and pass those exams, theres lotsa work waiting for ya here :P
15:52 LemonLake exams are stressful, RealBadAngel
15:52 LemonLake you can't rush them
15:52 Jordach http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g​eneric?iso=20140610T11&amp;p0=136&amp;​msg=100%25+Availibility+%28Jordach%29
15:52 LemonLake that's cool
15:52 m5 http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g​eneric?iso=20140610T11&amp;p0=136&amp;​msg=100%25+Availibility+%28Jordach%29
15:53 m5 5 days till my Bday!
15:53 RealBadAngel wonder if i one could hack that clock ;)
15:54 Jordach $5 it's JS
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15:55 RealBadAngel Jordach, but ok, i will finish and push water surface shaders by then
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15:55 RealBadAngel then new drawtype
15:58 RealBadAngel after that we will go for adding rendering buffers
15:59 RealBadAngel and then mt will change like hell
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16:00 RealBadAngel godrays, water reflections, shadows, real lighting, sun flare lens, cartoon shaders.... name your ideas
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16:02 Piggybear87 2D inventory images.
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16:04 Jordach RealBadAngel, why not also allow mods to define their own material type
16:05 Jordach so they could have this half mirror half toon shader
16:05 Jordach (with their own glsl)
16:06 rubenwardy Hi all!
16:07 * Jordach decides to do a bit of trolling
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16:08 RealBadAngel Jordach, thats pretty possible
16:09 RealBadAngel i have just allowed such thing in core
16:10 RealBadAngel so for example water node have own shader for surface, another for rest of the tiles
16:10 realtinymonster RealBadAngel: I support real lighting
16:10 LemonLake RealBadAngel: Would you be adding the feature to define custom keybinds?
16:11 RealBadAngel LemonLake, i will pass to server full keyboard scan code
16:11 RealBadAngel and allow mods to read it
16:11 RealBadAngel that will be more than enough
16:11 LemonLake Sounds neat.
16:12 RealBadAngel full scan is needed for computer terminals anyway
16:13 LemonLake fair point ^.^
16:14 rubenwardy Just don't destroy any FPS and ping time we have currently
16:15 Calinou if it's too heavy, then add special2, special3 and special4
16:15 Calinou let users define them
16:15 RealBadAngel rubenwardy, my changes used to rise fps count usually
16:15 Calinou RealBadAngel, I'm afraid that might suck
16:15 Calinou think of AZERTY and QWERTZ users
16:15 rubenwardy Good
16:15 Calinou non-Windows operating systems treat these differently!
16:16 RealBadAngel hold on for upcoming todays shaders update
16:16 RealBadAngel it will provide very noticeable fps gain on high end machines
16:16 * Krock feels excluded
16:17 RealBadAngel i, with my rather old box, gained ~25fps
16:17 RealBadAngel ofc with 256x texture pack and all the shaders options turned on
16:17 * Calinou crafts a Titan Z using golden coins
16:17 Calinou RealBadAngel, did you fix water being opaque when nothing is dug?
16:18 RealBadAngel so atm, mt is hitting here 60fps
16:18 RealBadAngel with the cap
16:19 RealBadAngel Calinou, hmmm, sorry but i quite not get it. Can you make a vid? or describe it in another way?
16:20 RealBadAngel because by now i simply dont what what you are talkin about :)
16:23 Calinou happens on multiplayer servers mostly
16:25 RealBadAngel you mean problem with displaying proper face for water
16:25 RealBadAngel that is not related to my work
16:25 RealBadAngel it is caused by lags
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16:26 RealBadAngel i can say one thing
16:26 RealBadAngel either we have client side lua, for handling local stuff
16:26 m5 ~up atomicon.tk 1
16:26 ShadowBot m5: atomicon.tk port 1 is up (546ms)
16:27 m5 I don't know why I did that
16:27 RealBadAngel or we will be facing such problems forever
16:27 RealBadAngel that is for all the things you would like to be "smooth" in the game
16:27 LemonLake ^^
16:28 LemonLake Perhaps mods should have a serverside init, clientside init and shared init?
16:28 LemonLake We can still keep the way the server send the files, but we may need to compress them, if they already are then maybe compress them more?
16:29 RealBadAngel and discussion about client side modding and rising "problems" such as danger, risk, possibility to do something is just well, makin me rotfl
16:29 RealBadAngel but im not sure i should cry or laugh
16:29 LemonLake both
16:29 RealBadAngel server has to be taken load off
16:30 RealBadAngel and all the animation stuff has to be moved client side
16:30 RealBadAngel it is RIDICULOUS that server calculates lighting
16:30 LemonLake ^
16:30 LemonLake ^^
16:30 RealBadAngel for example
16:31 RealBadAngel also the entities
16:31 RealBadAngel client shall just report the server what happened
16:31 RealBadAngel and if server confirmed that was possible ack it
16:32 RealBadAngel but not the other way for christ sake
16:32 Calinou <RealBadAngel> either we have client side lua, for handling local stuff
16:32 RealBadAngel thx to it, all moving things suffer
16:32 Calinou what does this have to do with rendering?!
16:32 Calinou client side Lua is painfully hard to implement, it was hard enough to add server-side Lua
16:32 LemonLake Calinou, currently the server does EVERYTHING
16:33 Calinou 37 people on “just test”, lol
16:33 LemonLake And it's gonna be a burden on a lot of mod possibilities
16:33 Calinou like?
16:33 RealBadAngel Calinou, afaik there was proof of concept already
16:33 LemonLake ^
16:33 RealBadAngel by Jeija
16:33 RealBadAngel so propably nothing much harder than rebase :P
16:34 * Calinou uploads video
16:34 RealBadAngel and about rendering....
16:34 Calinou don't mix “adding some C++ stuff in order to predict” and “client-side Lua API”
16:34 LemonLake RealBadAngel: It worries me how many people don't realise the importance of client-side stuff
16:34 RealBadAngel adding custom textures at real time, setting animation frames, rendering minimap...
16:34 RealBadAngel enough?
16:35 LemonLake non-laggy and native keyboard keys support, faster and better hud
16:35 Calinou also, downloading code has security and moral issues
16:35 Calinou (see javaScript)
16:35 LemonLake Well, not much has gone wrong so far with Minetest.
16:35 RealBadAngel Calinou, game is open source
16:35 LemonLake ^
16:35 RealBadAngel so mods are
16:35 LemonLake ^
16:35 RealBadAngel you can read the code before you run it
16:35 Calinou <RealBadAngel> Calinou, game is open source
16:35 Calinou the client-side mods may not
16:36 Calinou server can decide to randomly put non-free or insecure code in your game
16:36 Calinou since it'll be downloaded
16:36 RealBadAngel if youre dumb enough you can destroy your system without need to use mt for it
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16:36 RealBadAngel just a few letters in terminal will do
16:36 Calinou also, client-side code can be abused
16:36 Calinou (exact same problem as JavaScript)
16:36 Calinou abused as in, used for nothing useful
16:36 RealBadAngel we do have mod store
16:36 Calinou very few people use it
16:36 LemonLake that's why you only go on the trusted servers, Calinou
16:36 Calinou my mods aren't even on then in updated form
16:36 RealBadAngel so force them to use it
16:37 RealBadAngel and make it work in the first place
16:37 Calinou LemonLake, so the public server list should be hardened: global banning, etc
16:37 Calinou forcing is bad, in general
16:37 LemonLake Calinou: Megaf and Vazon are working on global banning
16:37 RealBadAngel last time i tried it clickin buttons showed me nothing
16:37 RealBadAngel but big zero
16:37 Calinou I'm talking about server
16:37 Calinou not talking about “let's reinvent US justice in Minetest!”
16:38 Calinou ability, for master server owner, to ban IP to not show in the list
16:38 RealBadAngel yeah, fireams for all :P ;)
16:38 Calinou (bad servers)
16:38 Calinou you're not understanding at all :'(
16:38 RealBadAngel i do, but just joking
16:38 LemonLake Calinou: you're just being too paranoid
16:38 Calinou but you seem to dream too much about the possibilities
16:38 Calinou LemonLake, my browser runs non-free insecure code daily already
16:38 LemonLake you're obviously a pirate then
16:39 Calinou https://www.gnu.org/philosoph​y/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy
16:39 LemonLake do I give a shit?
16:39 Calinou RealBadAngel, https://mediacru.sh/Xq82z5cqS1iv
16:39 Calinou here's your buggy water
16:39 RealBadAngel ok
16:40 Calinou the 40-player “just test” server doesn't lag much
16:40 RealBadAngel quite funny
16:40 RealBadAngel can i have all your mods zipped?
16:41 Calinou I was playing on the server
16:41 Calinou it doesn't happen often in singleplayer
16:41 Calinou also happens on VanessaE's vanilla server
16:42 rubenwardy Client side mods should be downloaded by the client from the mod store, not the server.
16:42 RealBadAngel yes
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16:42 RealBadAngel so this way they can be verified
16:42 LemonLake Actually, that's a neat idea
16:42 rubenwardy All this argumention is irrating me.
16:42 LemonLake If a server requires a mod, you have to get it yourself, for verifififification
16:43 RealBadAngel argumentation is not bad at all
16:43 RealBadAngel but that should change the fact it is needed
16:44 RealBadAngel how we will get it done is another story
16:44 RealBadAngel but we have to no matter what
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16:44 RealBadAngel *shouldnt
16:45 Megaf And my server has the lowest lag of them all
16:45 Megaf http://servers.minetest.net/
16:45 LemonLake_ mineguild has the lowest for me
16:45 Calinou rubenwardy, so you want them to function separately and not in tandem with the server?
16:45 Calinou that destroys LemonLake_'s purpose
16:46 rubenwardy Purpose?
16:46 LemonLake_ it destroys my purpose?
16:46 Calinou RealBadAngel, “have to” is a bad term
16:46 LemonLake_ holy shit I feel violated
16:46 Calinou he wanted real-time textures for HIS mods
16:46 LemonLake_ I what?
16:46 Calinou so, every client will have to download the mod by hand (boring and hard)
16:46 LemonLake_ real-
16:47 Calinou which destroys client side modding's purpose (enhance the modder's experience)
16:47 LemonLake_ umm
16:47 LemonLake_ Calinou: I what?
16:47 ShadowNinja rubenwardy: Do you run @MinetestCommune?
16:47 Calinou it's maybe hoodedice
16:47 rubenwardy No, Hoodedice does. But I have access
16:48 rubenwardy Are you conspiring with celeron55?
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16:49 ShadowNinja rubenwardy: Conspiring?
16:49 rubenwardy He just asked me in PM too.
16:50 ShadowNinja Ah.
16:50 LemonLake_ I'm in the mood for CSS. Anyone got any work for me?
16:51 LemonLake_ Actually, screw it. I'll just make some random library or something, idk
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16:51 john_minetest Hello everypony
16:51 LemonLake_ Hey
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16:51 fireglow VanessaE: pipeworks item transport is pretty damn great, thank you!
16:52 rubenwardy CSS is fun XD
16:52 LemonLake_ the game and the language
16:52 rubenwardy oh
16:52 LemonLake_ I mean the language doe
16:52 rubenwardy Cascading Style Sheets
16:53 LemonLake_ mhm
16:53 john_minetest css is pretty awesome.
16:54 LemonLake_ css3 especially
16:54 Vazon speaking of the global ban i need to get started on that, i havent yet becuase i was unaware of what we decided
16:54 LemonLake_ I love every job
16:54 john_minetest It is so easy to make a website with CSS. The only difficult thing is to get an idea, what it should look like.
16:55 rubenwardy yeah
16:56 Calinou hi john_minetest
16:56 Calinou <LemonLake_> css3 especially
16:56 Calinou CSS 3 abuse isn't :'(
16:56 Calinou our CPUs and GPUs cry and our battery life goes down
16:57 zat that conversation is so 2005.
16:58 LemonLake_ calinou
16:58 john_minetest CPUs don't cry tears. They cry heat conduct compound.
16:58 LemonLake_ you're so damn paranoid
16:58 Calinou lots of things in the world aren't right.
16:59 LemonLake_ you're so bitchy about the littlest of problems
16:59 Calinou better than not bitching about it and bad stuff happening
16:59 Jordach i bitch about minetest's need of a good UI
17:00 Jordach will it fucking happen? NO
17:00 Calinou what's wrong with the UI?
17:00 LemonLake_ minetest needs a lot of things but nobody does it
17:00 Calinou apart of default font being ugly and small
17:00 Jordach Calinou, formspecs look like shit
17:00 Calinou (see my video, I fixed it there)
17:00 LemonLake_ Calinou: font depends on your OS actually
17:00 Jordach grey with no colour
17:00 LemonLake_ at least I think
17:00 Calinou Jordach, button look could be improved, it's not flat design :'(
17:01 Calinou LemonLake_, no
17:01 Calinou you can change font path, size, shadow
17:01 Calinou if you have a Freetype build
17:01 Jordach Calinou, it's worse than that, i don't really like the bland default formspec look
17:01 Jordach (look at the inventory, chest, furnace, other formspecs)
17:02 Calinou customize it
17:02 Calinou like minetest_next and carbone do
17:03 Calinou you can change colours of slots
17:03 Jordach yes, but what about games that *don't* stem from MTG
17:04 Megaf Folks, what and how this options affects? item_entity_ttl = 10
17:04 Calinou then fix it yourself
17:04 Calinou Megaf, it doesn't seem to be present in the default game, but in general, ttl means “time to last”
17:04 Megaf isnt that time to live?
17:04 Megaf ok, same meaning
17:05 * Jordach noticed that simple mobs don't save their positions on server shutdown
17:05 Megaf Ok, removed that from my minetest.conf
17:05 Jordach yet other entities are saved (eg, items, mobf)
17:05 Calinou they are, to me
17:05 Calinou they appear shortly after the world loads, that's all
17:06 Jordach Calinou, strange
17:06 Megaf I'd like to know how MC wolfs, chickens, pigs and stuff works
17:06 Megaf is that C++?
17:06 LemonLake_ MC is java.
17:06 LemonLake_ All is java.
17:06 Jordach i made a custom NPC in BFD, however i noticed it doesn't respawn correctly when it is used by simple mobs
17:06 Calinou Megaf, how would it be? O_o
17:06 OldCoder I'm hosting a very large map. Probably large due to Nether. How might I keep the mod for its blocks but delete the underground spaces it created?
17:06 Calinou of course, they're all hardcoded in Java
17:06 Calinou Minecraft and non-hardcoding make two
17:07 Calinou the texture size used to be hardcoded
17:07 john_minetest Java sucks. Scala is much cooler. C++ even cooler. C even cooler. Assembly just as cool.
17:07 Calinou there's no free, popular Java equivalent
17:08 john_minetest python?
17:08 Jordach TIL Firefox's Private Browsing allows tab restoration
17:08 Jordach Chrome doesn't have that :P
17:08 Calinou it's not a Java equivalent: it's higher-level
17:08 Calinou “private browsing” doesn't mean much
17:08 john_minetest python is higher-level than java?
17:09 john_minetest I thought you could do pretty low-level stuff with python o_O
17:10 Megaf Folks, VanessaE: Here is my minetest.conf, http://paste.debian.net/103418/ It works pretty damn good, I get very low CPU usage and for me on the local networks there's no lag at all. Really fast, and world loads fast too, faster than I can run. Problem is, people from far away are having lag. So I fixed CPU usage and borked slow/far connections. Suggestions?
17:12 Calinou “year_days = 365” → is it still useful?
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17:12 Calinou “Sever”…
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17:13 Megaf oops
17:13 Megaf Calinou: you are the first one to notice that
17:13 Megaf Calinou: I think so, my "sever" runs in "real time"
17:14 Calinou time_speed = 1 is what matters
17:14 Calinou (be sure to use a mod to sync world time to real time)
17:14 fireglow Is there a way to make lava destroy items that are thrown into it?
17:14 Megaf fireglow: yep
17:14 fireglow Megaf: how to do it?
17:14 Megaf search on forums for builtin_item
17:14 Megaf it's a mod
17:14 fireglow cool, thank you
17:15 Calinou fireglow, use builtin_item
17:15 Calinou or use Carbone's which is better :P it makes all damaging blocks destroy items
17:15 Calinou fixes the sound being too loud too
17:19 fireglow mmm, that seems to be a larger mod, I'm sticking with simple ones for now, but thank you
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17:20 Megaf fireglow: actually it's a pretty small mod
17:21 Calinou fireglow, it's a game
17:21 Calinou my builtin_item has like 5 more lines
17:22 Calinou you can use it separately
17:22 Calinou https://gitorious.org/calinou/carbone/archive/a​d2697a2f6451d87f3317f2fc83e0f6fce1886a9.tar.gz → get the “builtin_item” inside the “mods” directory
17:22 fireglow okay, thanks
17:28 sfan5 meow
17:28 sfan5 hi everyone
17:29 Exio4 Calinou: haskell is a nice language
17:29 Exio4 you can write insanely fast code in a very high-level language
17:29 Exio4 :D
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17:31 Megaf Exio4: Isnt JAVA properly coded faster?
17:32 rubenwardy haskell is awesome
17:32 Exio4 Megaf: haskell is even higher abstraction-wise, and i'd say, no, haskell code can be optimized way more than you might think
17:32 rubenwardy But I wouldn't recommend using it for anything real
17:32 Exio4 why not?
17:32 Megaf Is it compiled?
17:33 rubenwardy Because it is functional, rather than procedural or OO
17:33 rubenwardy Megaf: both
17:33 PilzAdam Exio4, someone in my uni thinks the same about haskell; we made a test (calculating fibonacci numbers), Java was like 1000 times faster
17:33 Exio4 PilzAdam: what was the algorithm for the fibonacci serie?
17:34 Exio4 did he use memoization? what data types he use? integer or int?
17:34 PilzAdam f(i) = f(i-1) + f(i-2); f(0)=0; f(1) =1
17:34 Exio4 a naive recursive algorithm?
17:34 Exio4 did you did the same in java?
17:34 PilzAdam I dont have the haskell code here
17:35 PilzAdam he knew haskell pretty good, I think he has done it properly
17:35 rubenwardy PilzAdam: you are 17, at uni?
17:35 Exio4 sup with that rubenwardy?
17:35 PilzAdam rubenwardy, Im 5.75
17:36 Exio4 have the java code?
17:36 Exio4 also, i guess you compiled with -O2 :P
17:37 Exio4 interpreted code is like 20~ times slower
17:37 PilzAdam the Java code was pretty straightforward; simple recursion
17:37 Exio4 do you have it?
17:37 Exio4 the one that was tried
17:38 PilzAdam no, but I could rewrite it in 2 minutes
17:38 Exio4 ok, and then benchmark it
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17:41 jp___ Hello, God.
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17:41 john_minetest https://mediacru.sh/NRX_y-H--Z6a
17:41 john_minetest lol
17:42 VanessaE john_minetest: how dare you do that to Their Illustrious Leader :P
17:42 VanessaE :)
17:43 john_minetest :D
17:43 john_minetest Oh, that haircut has style.
17:43 john_minetest And those friendly eyes... :D
17:43 celeron55 jp___: hello, subordinate.
17:44 john_minetest And that gentle smile :D
17:44 Amaz john_minetest, Brilliant!
17:44 celeron55 in other news, i think i am going to try to use this thing: http://www.pling.it/p/627/
17:44 celeron55 for that i need to figure out some plan for how to use any amount of donations
17:44 Calinou don't you use them for hosting?
17:44 jp___ :o he mentioned my name, what an honor...
17:45 celeron55 so, does someone oppose this, or does someone have suggestions for this overall plan?
17:45 Calinou celeron55 is not a god
17:45 Krock omg holycow!c55 is here
17:45 Calinou pling.it doesn't seem to be used
17:45 Calinou it has no WOT rating
17:45 john_minetest celeron55: why not flattr?
17:45 Calinou means there are potentially very few users
17:45 celeron55 pling.it is new
17:45 Calinou also, the background screenshot doesn't use the default textures
17:45 john_minetest flattr is old and well-known.
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17:46 celeron55 but that doesn't even work like flattr
17:47 celeron55 Calinou: well, i just picked up something that i had around; i don't play minetest_game anymore so i don't have screenshots of it (and i don't even like how it looks)
17:48 Calinou Carbone? :p
17:48 VanessaE actually, it reminds me of Realtest.
17:48 VanessaE it looks something like that.
17:48 VanessaE but anyway,
17:49 Amaz Nodetopia?
17:49 john_minetest celeron55: I don't think that somebody will register on some site to spend money. I guess it is more likely that they use flattr or paypal.
17:49 VanessaE yeah, that's probably it Amaz
17:49 celeron55 i'm mainly wanting to try pling out because they asked if i would like to, and it seems to be worth a try to be there when they initially promo themselves
17:49 PilzAdam Calinou, this are the default textures
17:49 Calinou definitely not, PilzAdam
17:49 PilzAdam the default texture of the best game for the Minetest engine
17:50 celeron55 john_minetest: there is no registration on pling
17:50 PilzAdam +s
17:50 Calinou the grass side looks bad, very bad
17:50 VanessaE celeron55: I have no objections to it, but I also can't think of a specific plan to do with the monies gained from it either
17:50 Amaz PlizAdam: Yep!
17:50 celeron55 john_minetest: it basically just wraps paypal on a fancy page
17:50 PilzAdam Calinou, yea, way too blocky for a voxel based game!
17:51 celeron55 VanessaE: yes that's the main issue (which why i mentioned it as an issue)
17:51 Calinou VanessaE, paying for hosting of stuff in general
17:51 Calinou we probably don't need more money than that
17:51 Calinou servers are hosted by players, no need for an “official” one
17:53 Amaz john_minetest: https://cdn.mediacru.sh/zb5FAT_Oc7I2.jpg
17:55 VanessaE celeron55: well you could always throw your hat into the "pay me to move feature X to the top of my list" ring.
17:56 VanessaE it's a legit use for the money, and people like being able to do that
17:56 Calinou you don't actually use the money
17:56 OldCoder I'm hosting a very large map. Probably large due to Nether. How might I keep the mod for its blocks but delete the underground spaces it created?
17:56 OldCoder Could I simply
17:56 Calinou except for working on Minetest instead of going to work ;) but then, don't forget tax stuff
17:56 OldCoder delete everything below a specified depth?
17:57 VanessaE yep, I know that Calinou (though how taxes work in c55's locale is an interesting question)
17:57 Calinou Finland loves donations
17:57 * Calinou sarcasm
17:57 VanessaE heh
17:58 VanessaE well I meant more like his particular city and county (well, whatever Finland calls their equivalent)
18:00 Calinou does it depend on the city? I highly doubt it
18:00 VanessaE I dunno about Finland, but here it can
18:01 VanessaE each city, county, and state has their own tax rates for different things - if you exceed certain thresholds of course.
18:03 celeron55 how about instead of giving money to people, i will give them "donation time"; so that eg. the bountyy for making feature X will be getting to have the donation address for a specific number of weeks
18:03 celeron55 (paypal address)
18:03 celeron55 -y
18:05 celeron55 that way nobody really has to process and/or accumulate a lot of weird money
18:05 Amaz That sounds good...
18:07 VanessaE works for me.
18:07 OldCoder Finland taxes are presumably highly relevant to Minetest :P However, may I direct attention to my question regarding deleting things below a certain depth?
18:07 Calinou a lot of?
18:07 OldCoder celeron55, Amaz, VanessaE ^
18:07 Calinou I doubt you'll even reach hundreds :/
18:07 Vazon Ok im back
18:07 * OldCoder gathers that Finland taxes are in one of the Lua modules :P
18:08 celeron55 or if someone wants to eg. design better sounds or graphics, i could set the donations to go to them so if they get some, they can buy hard-to-find things
18:08 OldCoder Ah. This *is* relevant. Excuse me.
18:08 Vazon Hi OldCoder, celeron55, Calinou, and VanessaE
18:08 VanessaE celeron55: right, that's the sort of thing I was thinking of
18:08 VanessaE (I'm not the sort who likes to directly equate time with money)
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18:09 celeron55 equating time with money isn't possible in a project like this
18:09 rubenwardy OldCoder: It would be nice to have a map cleaner. Delete all blocks that are unmoddified.
18:10 OldCoder rubenwardy, simple though to delete blocks below a certain depth?
18:11 rubenwardy I don't think there is a way to do that
18:11 VanessaE how do you define "unmodified" though? by definition, nearly everything that's been generated has been modified by way of adding trees, grass, etc.
18:11 Calinou hi Vazon
18:11 rubenwardy modified by user
18:11 Calinou “they can buy hard-to-find things” → like beer and Mese, amirite
18:11 Calinou <VanessaE> (I'm not the sort who likes to directly equate time with money)
18:12 Calinou it makes no sense in free software projects
18:12 Calinou time isn't money
18:12 Calinou it's not a race
18:12 VanessaE rubenwardy: at present, that's impossible to detect, I don't think there's any flag that tracks whether a user has edited a given mapblock
18:12 rubenwardy ATM
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18:14 celeron55 the question then is, how to choose who is the one getting the donations at any given time - the ideal outcome would be that it would always be someone who is good at what he does and is at that moment using most of his free time for working on something that benefits the minetest community
18:14 VanessaE you could try to detect it based on finding anything other than stone, dirt, grass, or the various tree- and ore-nodes, but the problem there would be the false negative rate
18:14 celeron55 at least i would preceive that as being objectively fair
18:14 celeron55 perceive*
18:16 * Jordach throws monies at celeron55
18:16 celeron55 (of course, taking also account how much the money can directly help the task at hand)
18:16 VanessaE celeron55: suppose coders "bid" for the current bounty somehow?
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18:17 celeron55 i'd side on either full-on democracy using a simple automated website or a selected group of people who are responsible for figuring out who is doing good stuff
18:18 VanessaE (seems like all they'd need to do then is specify a start date and deadline and a projected value for their task.)
18:18 celeron55 i don't want this to be coder-centric because code is only a part of the things that people want
18:18 VanessaE this is true.
18:19 Amaz I like either the first of Celeron55's ideas, or VanessaE's one.
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18:20 Vazon i missed part of the debate, so i dont know what is goin on
18:20 VanessaE thing is, if you get normal users in on it, e.g. "I want feature X and I'll pay Y for it", you could potentially end up with a shitload of little, unattainable things and basically github's issue list is re-created.
18:21 VanessaE and/or*
18:23 Calinou Vazon, again a “funding” thing :(
18:23 celeron55 yeah, it should be based on people offering to make something, and then people voting on those
18:23 celeron55 i.e. not based on people wanting something that nobody wants to do
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18:24 Vazon o :| well thats no good.
18:25 * realtinymonster is about to throw a brick at K12
18:27 celeron55 maybe there could be a way to propose something, but it couldn't be voted before someone offers to do it 8)
18:29 celeron55 for example i think that at the moment "get a new release out" would end up being smashed pretty quickly through that system
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18:30 celeron55 i'm in the mood of hacking random stuff in node.js so i'll see if i can come up with something that might work
18:33 jp___ Why not to create a "Premium" section ? Premium members must pay for access for some advantages...
18:34 rubenwardy Like what?
18:34 PenguinDad RealBadAngel: issue with #1303 https://cdn.mediacru.sh/YUxlgdlpMFcS.png
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18:35 jp___ rubenwardy : premium mods / private servers for example. Idk...
18:36 Jordach that wouldn't work
18:36 * twoelk doesn't like the sound of premium
18:37 Vazon I dont think that would be fair the the current players would loss some of the stuff they have right now.
18:37 jp___ "Full Membe accessr" if you prefer...
18:37 jp___ member*
18:37 Calinou jp___, no one would pay for it
18:37 VanessaE hey, I know that game! :D
18:38 Calinou would be unfair, too
18:38 Jordach jp___, same problems with TF2 community servers
18:38 VanessaE (PenguinDad :P )
18:38 Calinou the right price is zero
18:38 Jordach pay for "premium" get god mode and make it not fun
18:38 Calinou also, the donation would go to the server, not the developers; the developers can't force a server to give the money to them
18:38 Calinou Jordach, it's not god mode, but quite OP (infinite ammo, third person, health on kill…)
18:38 rubenwardy A special forum title maybe
18:38 twoelk Vanessa: is your mergesqlite script still online somewhere? Might that help OldCoder?
18:39 rubenwardy Although still bad
18:39 VanessaE twoelk: nope and nope (he uses LevelDB)
18:39 VanessaE I do have the script though
18:39 OldCoder twoelk, appreciate the remarks and VanessaE...
18:39 Calinou special forum title is OK, but no one would donate just for that, this isn't Minecraft
18:39 OldCoder The DB is in SQLite3
18:39 Calinou people are not obsessed by titles
18:39 Vazon How about we leave everything as is but maby when you sign up with forum you have the oppoint to buy a in-game name that no one can use unless you use your forum password, thsu stil leaveing everything still free
18:39 OldCoder VanessaE, this is Landrush
18:39 OldCoder I will revive the deceased world; but it's 4+GB
18:39 OldCoder The script would be appreciated
18:40 VanessaE OldCoder: one moment
18:41 VanessaE http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7589451/
18:41 celeron55 i don't think any of this premium stuff would work for minetest nor it's users
18:41 VanessaE note the block position is incorrect.
18:41 twoelk It identifies blocks horizontal and moves them, so you might be able to use it to sort blocks vertical to decide wich to delete
18:41 VanessaE the formula thereof that is
18:41 VanessaE take out the *4 term.
18:42 Vazon celeron55 what i suggested isnt really permium just gives you the choose to lock your name to a password so no one can steal your name
18:42 twoelk (after tweaking of course)
18:42 VanessaE OldCoder: as you can see there's not actually that much to it.
18:43 jp___ Or a MT magazine ?
18:43 rubenwardy Sounds like something that MT haters will like to see in MT. "You have to pay in order to use your username on servers".
18:43 rubenwardy (I know that isn't what you said)
18:43 OldCoder VanessaE, R
18:44 OldCoder VanessaE, How might I use this to delete blocks below a given depth?
18:44 OldCoder Thank you for your time; this is to save the world
18:44 VanessaE OldCoder: it wasn't intended to do that; I'm not sure what twoelk was trying to suggest :)
18:44 VanessaE however,
18:44 Vazon rubenwardy you dont have to pay just pay if you dont want others using your username on anyserver if you pay other wise that name can be used by anyone
18:44 rubenwardy <rubenwardy> (I know that isn't what you said)
18:45 rubenwardy The MT haters / MC bigots will distort it and say that
18:45 VanessaE one moment...
18:45 twoelk the script calculates the position of blocks if iirc
18:45 Vazon ooo sorry rudenwardy i misunderstood
18:45 VanessaE [05-28 22:34] <ShadowNinja> VanessaE: Run that little C++ tool I gave you and then run `sqlite3 map.sqlite 'delete from blocks where pos=<encodedPositionFromUtility>'`.
18:45 rubenwardy no prob
18:45 VanessaE THAT is how you delete an unwanted block
18:45 Calinou global account system is centralization, which is bad here
18:46 twoelk so use the idea to identify the blocks to delete on db level outside mt
18:46 Calinou <jp___> Or a MT magazine ?
18:46 Calinou it's expensive to physically distribute, the audience is too small
18:46 VanessaE replace "<encodedPositionFromUtility> " with the calculated block position as you saw in my script
18:46 Calinou paper magazines have enough trouble currently
18:46 Vazon Calinou how can the choose to lock you name be a bad thing?
18:46 VanessaE OldCoder:  ^^^^^ but be sure you keep backups.
18:46 jp___ Calinou : I don't though to a paper version ;)
18:46 OldCoder R
18:47 OldCoder Where is the C++ tool?
18:47 OldCoder ShadowNinja, VanessaE ^
18:47 jp___ thought*
18:47 Calinou Vazon, it requires authentification to a central server.
18:47 jp___ PDF version rather.
18:48 Calinou I guess many Minetest players like how you can currently play without having to log in anywhere
18:48 Calinou unlike Minecraft
18:48 Vazon Calinou you have to log into servers most servers are password protected, there is no difference
18:48 Calinou I'm not talking about that
18:48 Calinou I'm talking about having to log in to a central server
18:49 Calinou has privacy and other issues (what if the server is down?)
18:49 Vazon nothing would change but being able to lock your name, and there wouldnt be a server just a database right?? to keep all the names and passwords
18:49 rubenwardy Calinou: servers on start up could download a list of usernames and auth keys. The auth key is used to unlock the username, and is not the password. The user can then log on to the system with another password with out the use of the centrallised server.
18:50 rubenwardy download using the same system as broadcasting to servers.minetest.net
18:50 rubenwardy cons: only synced at start up
18:50 VanessaE OldCoder: one moment.
18:50 rubenwardy pros: if main server is down, normal server still operates.
18:50 Calinou but anyway: having to pay for such a thing is unfair
18:50 Calinou giving extra privileges is a no-no
18:51 Jordach if i dislike buying "upgrades" then it's a bad fucking idea
18:51 VanessaE OldCoder: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7589504/  this is the code he was referring to, but you don't actually need it, it just computes block positions.  you could do that with some bash script also.
18:52 Vazon you dont have to pay that is up to the player we all no there is alot of players that play for a day and quit but legitment players of minetest would mostly like this idea so they cant be locked out of a server they have never joined just because a newbie to minetest used there name
18:54 VanessaE Vazon: dude.  please use punctuation.
18:54 rubenwardy lol
18:54 Vazon oops, sorry.
18:54 Calinou “alot” isn't a word
18:54 rubenwardy punctuation, or be punched.
18:54 Calinou if you're locked out, then use YourName_
18:54 Calinou the end
18:55 Calinou Jordach, I loathe paying for stuff in general…
18:55 rubenwardy Lol. Imagine a twitter like verification system :O
18:55 Calinou that's also an upside of Minetest: no fear of getting your account cracked in
18:55 Calinou rubenwardy, GPG authentication was proposed in a pull request; ultimately it wasn't portable so it was never added
18:56 rubenwardy I meant the blue tick next to user names
18:56 rubenwardy but that is a good idea too
18:56 Calinou GPG can be used for signing
18:56 rubenwardy Two step auth as well.
18:57 rubenwardy Could probably do that in a mod
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18:57 jp___ I have another idea : 3D printer starts to bridge his nose on the market, a good thing for the future would to create keyring with 3D plastic logo of Minetest. It's efficient, economically...
18:57 Calinou rubenwardy, send code by SMS to phone
18:58 Calinou but remember… this is just a game…
18:58 Calinou use strong passwords and you're good to do
18:58 rubenwardy or make an app like google does
18:58 Calinou we could have bruteforce protection
18:58 rubenwardy !c 2000/0.1
18:58 MinetestBot 20000.0
18:58 rubenwardy ^ how many keyrings we need to sell inorder to break even (assuming printer is £2000, key ring is 10p)
18:58 OldCoder VanessaE, I shall review and check with you again at a later point; thank you
18:59 rubenwardy !c 300/1
18:59 MinetestBot 300
18:59 Calinou bye
18:59 rubenwardy ok, better estimate.
18:59 rubenwardy Bye
18:59 rubenwardy and I have to go to now. Cya
18:59 twoelk OldCoder: actually you could use tools such as "SQLite Database Browser" or "Sqliteman" to sort blocks with some filter and delete the identified blocks (which I thought parts of Vanessa's script might be usefull for) - or bash-grep ;-)
18:59 jp___ rubenwardy : not buy the printer, to subcontract another company (in china).
19:00 rubenwardy oh
19:00 Vazon Well its up to you guys want to do, that was my best idea.
19:01 OldCoder twoelk, Yes; I am knowledgeable enough to write SQLite3 scripts. But I don't know what to filter on.
19:02 OldCoder If anybody indicates this and I write a new tool I will share the new tool
19:02 OldCoder DeleteDeepLevels etc.
19:02 OldCoder
19:05 VanessaE OldCoder: I proposed to ShadowNinja that a command be added to buildin that makes it easy to delete blocks directly by block position
19:06 asl landrush have very deep mines, randomly deleting block might not be a good idea since someone would need to replace the elevator in those public/private mines somehow
19:06 VanessaE he seemed to think it was about time for that.
19:06 ShadowNinja That seems better as a separate tool.
19:07 ShadowNinja We should have libmtmap first though.
19:07 asl there is also qn on going project to dig to the nether
19:07 asl an*
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19:08 OldCoder VanessaE, t y
19:08 VanessaE OldCoder: will those bits of code be useful to you?
19:09 ShadowNinja ~give Vazon echo <commas> -- <alot>
19:09 ShadowBot Vazon: http://i0.wp.com/www.mscheevious.co​m/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/123468​7_10153156396165433_130892920_n.png -- http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/0​4/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html
19:10 OldCoder VanessaE, I believe so; I will look further later.
19:10 OldCoder Thanks again
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19:14 Vazon lol thanks Shadow
19:15 ShadowNinja :-)
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19:23 Jordach OldCoder, do tell me when to get a working backup of the worlds + mods
19:24 Megaf !up minetest.megaf.info 30003
19:24 MinetestBot minetest.megaf.info:30003 is up (675ms)
19:25 Vazon Hey Megaf
19:25 Megaf Hi Vazon
19:25 Megaf I may have borked my server, or made it better
19:25 Megaf later I will know
19:26 Vazon why whats wrong with the server Megaf?
19:26 Megaf If a player is too far away or have a bad internet, then the player will be really lagged
19:26 Vazon o ok
19:27 Megaf I want to improve it for bad connections
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19:27 Vazon wb Sokomine
19:28 Megaf I'd like to understand all those flags http://servers.minetest.net/
19:28 Vazon megaf the details is at the bottom of the page
19:29 Megaf not here
19:31 Vazon Megaf: http://minetest.net/servers
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19:32 OldCoder Jordach, which world? Landrush? O.K. but I need to figure out how to delete the blocks below a certain depth. Presently the world is 8GB in size.
19:32 Megaf cool
19:32 jojo__ hi
19:33 OldCoder jojo__, welcome
19:33 jojo__ how are you
19:33 jojo__ hi
19:33 OldCoder jojo__, do you have a MT question?
19:33 jojo__ litel
19:33 OldCoder Go on
19:34 VanessaE hey jojo
19:34 VanessaE no a1997 anymore? :)
19:34 jojo__ can there be a ender dragon mod
19:34 jojo__ hi
19:34 jojo__ brb]
19:34 OldCoder Fond of hi isn't he
19:34 VanessaE there probably could be, the model itself and putting such a thing into the world wouldn't be terribly hard to do, but what would it DO once there?
19:35 Jordach 1) why do we need to copy that game
19:35 VanessaE we don't.
19:35 VanessaE but having large animals would be interesting:
19:35 Megaf but we need to have chickens, sheeps and pigs
19:35 VanessaE suppose there was a dinosaurs mod
19:35 OldCoder Cool
19:36 OldCoder We do have sheeps
19:36 OldCoder etc.
19:36 VanessaE or something that added say, elephants
19:36 OldCoder Dinos can be tall sheeps
19:36 Megaf bad sheeps
19:36 OldCoder Faces are a bit odd yes
19:36 jojo__ lol
19:36 m5 OldCoder, Going well?
19:36 OldCoder m5, I have difficulty with questions of that type
19:37 Jordach OldCoder, all of the availible worlds
19:37 OldCoder Jordach, ? explain
19:37 * OldCoder is not clear
19:37 * m5 has set up an irc network
19:37 Jordach OldCoder, any world you've hosted now or before - just upload em
19:37 Jordach (i have a large available bandwidth)
19:37 OldCoder Jordach, Upload them? They are already uploaded?
19:38 OldCoder If people wish copies I hope to make everything available yes
19:38 jojo__ lol
19:38 VanessaE jojo__: why no "a1997" on your name anymore? :)
19:38 jojo__ may i get on the servers chat
19:38 VanessaE any time you like, it's always open.
19:39 VanessaE irc server 192.99.11.10 port 6667
19:39 jojo__ link
19:39 VanessaE (easier to type than my domain, oddly enough)
19:39 m5 jojo__, ?
19:39 jojo__ yes
19:39 m5 jojoa1997?
19:39 jojo__ no
19:39 m5 okay then
19:40 jojo__ may i get the link
19:40 fireglow VanessaE: it's custom to leave issue tickets open when a commit is pending ;)
19:40 jojo__ lol
19:40 fireglow VanessaE: and close it when the feature is complete/fixed/etc
19:40 VanessaE fireglow: you mean that thing about the lava for pipes?  that's a long-term issue, that's why I closed it
19:41 VanessaE fireglow: take a look at the new_flow_logic branch, maybe you can expand that to work with all liquids (shouldn't be hard, I tried to make it generic enough)
19:42 jojo__ Craigy?
19:44 VanessaE fireglow: but note that in that branch, only the pipes, pump, fountain head, and spigot work.  nothing else has been implemented yet.
19:44 VanessaE I lost motivation to finish it when finite water was removed from the engine
19:46 jojo__ VanessaE?
19:48 VanessaE yes?
19:49 jojo__ may i get link for the servers chat
19:49 VanessaE just point your IRC client at 192.99.11.10 port 6667.
19:50 VanessaE http://webchat.inchra.net/#minetest
19:50 VanessaE see if that works.
19:50 jojo__ better
19:51 jojo__ is there a password i can get?
19:51 VanessaE if it does not, use a regular iRC client or another webchat service with the above IP address as the server/network to connect to, and #minetest as the channel
19:51 VanessaE no password.
19:51 VanessaE and *bookmark it!*
19:51 jojo__ ok
19:52 VanessaE ok, that link works fine as-is
19:54 jojo__ hi
19:54 jojo__ everyone
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20:09 Jordach TIL i'm an asshole
20:09 Jordach so we won a game of TF2 against a whole team of engineers, so i just put in chat: "so dem sentries aren't working out for ya!"
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20:11 bas080 does the minetest.add_particle work like it should. I have defined one and it does spawn but does not move. https://gist.github.com/ba​s080/1f6086252e73e4969a57
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20:18 bas080 The deprecated version does work.
20:19 bas080 So I guess I'll use that one
20:20 bas080 oww nvm, it doesn;t
20:21 bas080 Ok, so the deprecated one works and the non deprecated one does spawn but doesn't move.
20:25 bas080 I guess the docs are telling me something that is not the case.
20:25 VanessaE bas080:
20:26 VanessaE grr, where is it
20:26 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1280
20:27 MacSimski VanessaE: what irc channels are mirrored in VanessaE's creative world?
20:27 VanessaE bas080: tl;dr:  use "vel" and "acc" instead of "velocity" and "acceleration" in your particle def, for now.
20:27 VanessaE MacSimski: Inchra network, http://webchat.inchra.net/#minetest
20:28 MacSimski is that including VE-freeforall?
20:28 VanessaE yes
20:28 MacSimski ack
20:28 bas080 VanessaE, will do, ty for explaining.
20:28 VanessaE Shadow's, kaeza's when it comes back up, kizeren's, zeno's, microchip's, ginger's, all of mine, and a few more
20:29 VanessaE bas080: no prob.
20:29 VanessaE MacSimski: ^^^^^^
20:29 bas080 and expirationtime is exp :P kinda looks like someone wants there variables to be visually outlined.
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20:30 bas080 woohoo works great!
20:30 VanessaE bas080: not quite, it's just what the C++ side used and someone just forgot :P
20:31 VanessaE bas080: re-adding the bees?
20:31 VanessaE (thought I saw something about their particles being removed)
20:32 bas080 VanessaE, that too. but also making the honey extractor that will be spitting out wax when active.
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20:32 VanessaE ahhhhhh
20:32 VanessaE nice
20:32 bas080 I'm sure people liked the little bee flying around bumping into stuff
20:33 bas080 that has to come back
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20:36 VanessaE yes indeed so
20:36 VanessaE I wish those particle spawners had worked out
20:37 VanessaE ShadowNinja: any ideas why particles use item entities instead of actual irrlicht particles?  is that why they perform so poorly?
20:37 VanessaE (other than why: because Jeija wrote it that way)(
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20:38 ShadowNinja ^
20:39 ShadowNinja I don't know of a good reason and that's probably why they perform so badly.
20:39 VanessaE ok :)
20:39 VanessaE of course that begs the question:
20:39 VanessaE why do entities perform so badly :P
20:40 ShadowNinja Also, they cause a segfault when a mod crashes in singleplayer and you restart the world.
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20:53 diemartin lel. trying to copy files from a backup DVD back to HD. using mingw-provided `cp` it takes 10 seconds to copy ~250MB; using drag and drop from explorer took one full minute and it was still "listing the files to copy" (i.e. not even started)
20:54 VanessaE pathetic :P
20:54 VanessaE a backup?  what happened anyway?
20:54 ShadowNinja Ha.
20:55 kaeza VanessaE, backup from when I b0rked my 'buntu install
20:55 VanessaE eep
20:56 fireglow eep indeed
20:56 kaeza seriously, Windows explorer is just retarded
20:57 kaeza accidentally drag & drop files into the DVD folder "oh, you want to copy files into a DVD! here, let me open the tray and fuck up the ongoing copy operation"
20:59 kaeza </rant>
20:59 kaeza anyway... good evening test!
21:00 VanessaE whoa
21:00 VanessaE look who just showed back up
21:00 VanessaE https://github.com/Jeija/minetest-mod-m​esecons/pull/122#issuecomment-45144986
21:00 VanessaE he's been gone for like 6 months
21:01 VanessaE well maybe not 6 months
21:01 VanessaE but he's been very scarce
21:04 fireglow :/
21:07 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/v​iewtopic.php?f=9&amp;t=9441
21:07 * kaeza +1s that, except it should be "Junglewood slab"
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21:22 LemonLake Just played Sniper Elite V2
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21:22 LemonLake For what it is, it's seriously amazing
21:23 LemonLake Gonna continue factory I think
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22:01 zsoltisawesome Will anyone be my grammer tutor for about 1 hour?
22:02 kaeza is there money involved?
22:03 zsoltisawesome hmm
22:03 zsoltisawesome I could pay you one dogecoin...
22:05 zsoltisawesome kaeza: ^
22:05 kaeza :<
22:06 zsoltisawesome i'm quite poor in online currency
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22:57 Piggybear87 minetestmapper.py questions. Any help?
22:57 VanessaE don't use it.
22:57 VanessaE use the C++ mapper.
22:57 Piggybear87 Where can I find that?
22:57 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper
22:58 VanessaE it works great on LevelDB-format worlds
22:59 VanessaE on sqlite worlds, it has some glitches - if it doesn't work right, use shadowninja's older fork, https://github.com/ShadowNinja/minetest-mapper-cpp
22:59 VanessaE but don't waste your time with the python one :)
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23:05 kaeza https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.ph​p?f=11&amp;t=4147&amp;p=143973#p143973 <-- this guy awfully reminds me of that "Likwid" guy
23:06 VanessaE oy.
23:14 john_minetest cya
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23:16 * VanessaE mumbles something in kaeza's direction about locked signs ;)
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23:22 Piggybear87 OK, I got it, how do I compile? It keeps saying errors occurred.
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23:24 VanessaE what sorts of errors?
23:24 VanessaE pastebin
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23:27 Piggybear87 http://pastebin.com/eF7Gqwbj It's Loooooong
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23:28 realtinymonster hehe
23:29 realtinymonster Find the greatest common factor: 14a^4 + 35a^9 <-- this is some extreme shit
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23:37 kaeza the answer is 42
23:37 Piggybear87 The answer is 34.... Rule 34...
23:39 dzho Piggybear87: looks like your paste got cut off
23:39 dzho it ends at   implicit fwks: []
23:39 dzho which doesn't seem right
23:39 Exio4 me hates internetz
23:39 realtinymonster I need a grammer tutor!
23:40 realtinymonster anyone volenter?
23:40 Piggybear87 I don't know. I'm starting over. I need a step by step sadly... What do I do first?
23:40 Exio4 realtinymonster: 7a^4 is the greatest common factor isn't it
23:41 realtinymonster yeah
23:41 realtinymonster I got that already thanks Exio4
23:41 dzho Piggybear87: you can try to capture the output of your compile with the "script" command
23:41 dzho script myoutputgoesinthisfile.txt
23:41 dzho then, run whatever commands
23:41 dzho then type
23:41 dzho exit
23:41 dzho and all the text from that run will be in myoutputgoesinthisfile.txt
23:42 Piggybear87 I mean from download to compile. Where do I start, because apparently, I don't understand Linux yet...
23:42 dzho and you can go back and look at it at your leisure
23:42 dzho Piggybear87: you got to start somewhere
23:43 Piggybear87 Do I "wget https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper.git" or "git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper.git" Or what?
23:44 dzho the latter
23:44 Piggybear87 Ok, now what?
23:47 Piggybear87 "cd minetestmapper"<enter> "cmake ."<enter> "make"<enter>
23:47 Piggybear87 ?
23:48 Piggybear87 dzho, ^
23:48 dzho Piggybear87: sure
23:48 Piggybear87 You don't know, do you?
23:49 dzho know what?
23:49 Piggybear87 How to do what I'm asking.
23:49 dzho I don't know, what are you asking?
23:49 dzho what do the instructions say?
23:49 dzho do I know how to change directories on a GNU/Linux system?  yes.  yes I do.
23:50 dzho have I run cmake before?  I have.
23:50 dzho make?  that too
23:50 dzho and then some.
23:50 Piggybear87 https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper
23:50 dzho have I cloned a git repo before?  yes.
23:50 dzho have I built the latest release of minetest?  no.
23:51 Piggybear87 The instructions are unclear to me.
23:51 dzho yes, well.
23:52 Piggybear87 OK, you're being of no help to me. VanessaE can you please give me a quick how-to?
23:53 dzho haha, good luck
23:53 Piggybear87 Fuck it. I will figure it out on my own....
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23:55 VanessaE damn, I had to step away for a bit :-/
23:57 dzho VanessaE: sorry, i thought I might be able to help get a complete list of the errors with my recommendation to use 'script' but that didn't go anywhere.
23:58 dzho I suspect some -dev packages are missing on the target machine, since this is a common problem, especially for newcomers to compiling, but oh well.

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