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00:06 PilzAdam Inocudom, thanks for the bug report
00:06 paramat WIP rainforest mod for mapgen v6 https://github.com/paramat/rainforest with climbable trunks
00:11 LazyJ paramat, a quick thanks for your 'watershed' mod. I've been waiting for mapgen like that for a long time. :D
00:18 Inocudom You are welcome, PilzAdam.
00:18 Inocudom Bye.
00:22 VanessaE oh dear G*d the irony
00:23 VanessaE this week's torah portion deals with the kashrut, specifically about prohibitions on consumption of certain animals...
00:23 VanessaE and what am I eating while I listen to services?  PORK RINDS!!!!!!
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00:25 LazyJ God will forgive you, VanessaE. Your doctor probably won't. :0)
00:26 VanessaE LazyJ: *actually* my doctor supports my low-carb/moderate-fat diet :)
00:26 VanessaE and i'm losing weight :)
00:26 VanessaE he just doesn't like my sodium intake
00:26 VanessaE (but I gotta have SOME kind of snack, and I'm too lazy to make more chicken salad)
00:26 LazyJ I have read that fats are essential to burning fats. Something about the body's mechanics.
00:26 VanessaE abso-fucking-lutely they are necessary!
00:27 VanessaE and your brain needs fat too
00:27 VanessaE it's like 60% fat or something, and it runs on the stuff
00:28 paramat hey cool LazyJ !
00:28 LazyJ When the no-fat craze hit, the lack of certain fats didn't allow the absorption of fat-soluble nutrients and the body needs fats to trigger satiation.
00:28 VanessaE yup
00:28 LazyJ No fats = always hungry.
00:28 VanessaE exactly
00:29 VanessaE two 12oz cans of chicken + cheese + mayo lasts me about 1.5 days - and it's the ONLY thing I eat during that time usually
00:29 VanessaE (sometimes I will add pork rinds, or exactly and precisely ONE ~8oz portion of greek yogurt)
00:29 LazyJ paramat, I like the way you allow parts of your mods to be changed with setting options or even disabled without having to uninstall.
00:30 VanessaE well 1-1.5 days, depends on my overall level of hunger
00:30 paramat :)
00:30 LazyJ If you ever decide to include generated villages in your 'watershed' mod, may I request that the villages also be a enable/disable option?
00:31 VanessaE paramat: get said villages from nore's/sfan5's mapgen mod if you need inspiration.  they're very good
00:31 VanessaE (I forget if you already have such a thing)
00:32 LazyJ I like to create my own villages.
00:32 paramat yeah i visited the mg server and i love those villages
00:36 LazyJ paramat, any plans to continue developing 'watershed' or is it an experiment leading to something more grand?
00:36 paramat but since im into modern architecture and scifi my villages would probably be weird
00:36 paramat id also rather do ancient ruins, pyramids etc
00:37 paramat its an evolving 'flagship' mapgen
00:37 paramat all my best ideas crammed in
00:37 LazyJ Excellent!
00:38 LazyJ I have a few long-term, singleplayer worlds that are mapgen v6.
00:38 LazyJ I really want to confidently base my long-term worlds in 'watershed' generated worlds.
00:40 paramat ah i see
00:40 LazyJ (paramat now runs for the door)
00:42 paramat well its up to you to keep records of all the parameters you use, including the perlin noise params ;)
00:44 paramat if i change mapgen you'll just get an interesting discontinuity between chunks, they make nice cross sections to look at
00:46 LazyJ I work in build in clusters and have yet to even come close to using a fraction of the full size potential of a world.
00:47 LazyJ So updates to 'watershed' aren't as much of a concern as having to switch to a different mapgen again.
00:48 LazyJ Minor concerns in the overall progress of Minetest.
00:49 LazyJ I'd much rather have progress than stagnation.
00:50 LazyJ Ok, enough out of me.
00:53 paramat o/
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06:43 hmmmm http://s22.postimg.org/6rme1sg8x​/map_seed_531643182666794829.png
06:43 hmmmm modern art
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09:35 john_minetest Hey
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10:12 Jordach just cracked a dogecoin block :D
10:20 Jordach https://mediacru.sh/XK9wi1nM1pBH.png :p
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11:58 sfan5 !tell nore 1600x96x1600 mg map: https://mediacru.sh/4_t7ZtByoW_S.png
11:58 MinetestBot sfan5: yeah, sure, whatever
11:59 sfan5 <3 MinetestBot
11:59 MinetestBot <3 sfan5
12:02 sfan5 !tell nore 1600x96x1600 mg map: https://mediacru.sh/4_t7ZtByoW_S.png
12:02 MinetestBot sfan5: I'll pass that on when nore is around
12:02 sfan5 shit finally works!
12:02 john_minetest Too many cities.
12:05 sfan5 mg even does art: http://i.imgur.com/adr3L6k.png
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12:30 john_minetest sfan5: CAT! http://asset-6.soup.io/asset/7055/7702_6682.gif
12:30 sfan5 john_minetest: did you mean /usr/bin/cat?
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12:31 reactor ~ $ which cat
12:31 reactor /bin/cat
12:33 sfan5 ~ $ where cat
12:33 sfan5 /bin
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12:36 john_minetest ~ $ where minetest
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12:56 MinetestBot nore: 03-22 12:02 UTC <sfan5> 1600x96x1600 mg map: https://mediacru.sh/4_t7ZtByoW_S.png
13:04 * EvergreenTree flips Jordach
13:05 john_minetest !flip EvergreenTree
13:05 PenguinDad ¡flip john_minetest
13:05 EvergreenTree MinetestBot needs a !flip and !slap command
13:06 sfan5 as if MinetestBot would slap ppl
13:07 sfan5 she is a kitten
13:07 sfan5 a nice kitten
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13:08 PenguinDad kittens only slap each other :p
13:09 EvergreenTree lol
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13:42 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
13:45 EvergreenTree Hello PilzAdam!
13:46 PilzAdam how do I crash 0.4.6 servers=
13:46 PilzAdam *?
13:54 reactor !up mike402.no-ip.biz 50000
13:54 MinetestBot mike402.no-ip.biz:50000 is up (241ms)
13:58 sfan5 PilzAdam: why would you want to know that
13:58 PilzAdam http://www.globeminner.com/index.php/servers
13:58 PilzAdam 0.4.6 servers
13:59 reactor "minner"
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14:02 proller 20 servers on one host? lol
14:02 reactor Maybe it's a NAT?
14:02 proller no
14:02 reactor How do we know?
14:03 proller they goal - collect money, not keeping servers
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14:06 reactor oh
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14:09 Jordach VanessaE, fix yer IRC server
14:10 Jordach !up isis.inchra.net
14:10 MinetestBot isis.inchra.net:30000 is up (415ms)
14:11 Jordach so minetest appears to be working
14:11 Jordach !up isis.inchra.net 30005
14:11 MinetestBot isis.inchra.net:30005 is up (105ms)
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14:11 Jordach 08,01EVERYONE RUN
14:12 Jordach :P
14:12 * GhostDoge hides
14:12 reactor
14:12 reactor Eh?
14:12 reactor askj
14:13 reactor Whoops.
14:14 markveidemanis Hi
14:15 arsdragonfly1 It seems that a sed statement is all we need to make one's "own" voxel game
14:15 arsdragonfly1 Inb4 global"minner"
14:16 GhostDoge my pipe broke :(
14:16 * sfan5 throws a | at GhostDoge
14:20 markveidemanis https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=134111#p134111
14:20 reactor arsdragonfly1: ?
14:20 reactor They do need to read about English spelling, yeah.
14:23 arsdragonfly1 They make money out of it after they change the name of it, since you won't pay for a stuff you can legally download from the internet
14:24 reactor So they sell old builds of MT?
14:24 reactor That reminds me of BolgenOS.
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14:27 arsdragonfly1 They do. Click "get it" and you'll find that the only way of getting a copy is buying their disc
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14:31 * Jordach thinks the change to LGPL was a bad idea
14:31 arsdragonfly1 ,
14:31 arsdragonfly1 Indeed. Freeminer changed it back
14:32 markveidemanis Can it do that?
14:32 markveidemanis Its a fork though
14:39 hmmmm http://s2.postimg.org/byzzfwxmx/​map_seed_741727892587839253.png
14:39 hmmmm more abstract art^
14:40 hmmmm i title this piece, "Evil swallows all"
14:41 EvergreenTree My position on contemporary art is that I only like it if it serves some purpose or is functional
14:41 EvergreenTree I suppose that would be called contemporary design
14:41 hmmmm the functional purpose is entertainment
14:42 EvergreenTree That is pretty cool though
14:42 arsdragonfly1 It is. It's a map.
14:42 reactor hmmmm: what is that? An ink blotch?
14:42 EvergreenTree hmmmm: That's just the way I look at things
14:42 reactor That's not even an effing picture!
14:42 hmmmm it's abstract artwork
14:42 EvergreenTree I like things that are practical
14:42 EvergreenTree hmmmm, I know
14:43 EvergreenTree I'm not saying I don't like it, that's generally the way I look at things
14:43 reactor EvergreenTree++;
14:44 VanessaE isis.inchra.net:30000 ?  um...   well if you wanna use that address I guess it'll work but the official domain for my minetest servers is digitalaudioconcepts.com.
14:44 Jordach VanessaE, your IRC server ain't workin
14:46 PenguinDad isis.inchra.net works perfectly for me
14:46 VanessaE works for me, too
14:46 Jordach http://pastebin.com/FWrgSLa6
14:47 VanessaE well I'm on via ssl, so port 6697 for me
14:48 * VanessaE pokes ShadowNinja
14:56 Jordach VanessaE, 0.7k/hash within firefox, 0.02k/hash with CPU miner on all four cores
14:57 VanessaE cool
14:57 sfan5 hmmmm: 1) paint on oil thingy 2) sell 3) ??? 4) Profit
14:58 sfan5 s/thingy/canvas/
14:58 Exio4 kh/s?
14:58 Exio4 what
14:59 VanessaE I put abe's machine to work on it last night too, between 8 cores and two GPUs (leaving 4 unused cores so we can get some normal desktop activities done) we're getting >120 kH/s
15:00 Exio4 about what kh/s are you talking
15:00 VanessaE exio:  thousands of hashes per second in coin mining
15:00 Jordach https://mediacru.sh/ToA3loTnPfO2.png :P
15:00 Exio4 scrypt i guess
15:00 Exio4 :D
15:00 VanessaE Jordach mines Dogecoins, I'm working on Litecoins and NXT
15:00 Exio4 go to DOGE nd then sell it for LTC?
15:01 * Jordach just wants to tip people
15:01 VanessaE one can be traded for the other on some exchanges yeah
15:01 Exio4 also, 50kh/s with my cpu @ 4.2ghz
15:01 Exio4 the 6100 you know
15:02 Jordach i'm doing doge as it rewards me with bonus coins for cracking a big block
15:02 Exio4 because amazing integer performance w/ FXs
15:02 Jordach (and there is infinite ore)
15:02 Jordach s/ore/coins
15:02 * sfan5 high fives Jordach for using mediacru.sh
15:02 Exio4 also
15:02 VanessaE so far as of thursday evening I've made 0.05 ltc :)
15:03 VanessaE just have to wait for it the pool site I use to push it to my wallet
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15:03 Jordach VanessaE, already made 0.016 Doge :O
15:03 Exio4 i've 16k~ DOGE
15:03 Exio4 Jordach: how the fuck are you mining
15:03 Exio4 unlss you're minig with a paper you should get more DOGE
15:03 Jordach Exio4, javascript because i'm the most lazy fuck you'll ever meet
15:03 Exio4 dumbass
15:04 Exio4 get cpuminer and leave it in background
15:04 Exio4 and gpu-mine w/ your APU
15:04 Jordach Exio4, i can run it on other machines
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15:04 PenguinDad I have 1k~ DOGE
15:04 Exio4 :D
15:05 VanessaE if I had any trust at all in that old spare computer in my closet, I'd put it to work too (low-end GPU, single-core 3 GHz sempron, or some such thing)
15:05 Exio4 low-end gpu = no gpu mining? :P
15:05 VanessaE heh
15:06 Exio4 also, my low-end nvidia (gt610) gives out something like 10kh/s
15:06 reactor You spend more money on electricity than you earn.
15:06 Exio4 where are you mining Jordach
15:07 Exio4 reactor: "earn"?
15:07 Jordach Exio4, http://idigdoge.com
15:07 Exio4 wtf
15:08 reactor Exio4: eh?
15:08 VanessaE heh, that page automatically mines coins.  interesting.
15:09 Exio4 0.033kh/s
15:09 VanessaE 0.217 kH/s
15:09 Jordach 0.8xx :D
15:09 Exio4 looks like shit
15:09 VanessaE and I've already got my CPU maxed out mining ltc
15:09 Exio4 did you OC it a bit?
15:09 VanessaE nope.  no overclocking here, I'm flat OEM speeds.
15:09 VanessaE (I'm too chickenshit to overclock)
15:10 Exio4 :(
15:10 Exio4 what did i miss here?
15:11 Exio4 well, trying to clean windows is a PITA
15:11 john_minetest That sentence has two meanings.
15:11 reactor Exio4: what would you expect from a toy OS?
15:11 PenguinDad 1.5 kH/s on that site :P
15:12 VanessaE so don't use pita, use a cloth and ammonia.  works better that way
15:12 reactor Ammonia enema to alleviate PITA.
15:14 arsdragonfly1 Mining with my phone...
15:15 Exio4 use a cpuminer comiled in your own
15:15 Exio4 works far better
15:15 arsdragonfly1 Wish it could be winter, so that I won't waste the heat
15:15 Exio4 poor you
15:16 Exio4 we're in oton~o :D
15:16 Exio4 south (and best) part of the world
15:18 john_minetest onton~o means autumn.
15:18 john_minetest In espagnol
15:18 reactor What does 'cornholio' mean?
15:18 Exio4 didn't remember how to spell it
15:19 VanessaE reactor: look up Beavis and Butthead.
15:19 Exio4 we're at 20C anyway
15:19 Exio4 19C outside
15:19 john_minetest reactor: WTF... MTV is dead since 2006 or so.
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15:25 john_minetest http://youtu.be/3MteSlpxCpo
15:29 harrison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAl5Azlzj1M
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15:36 john_minetest harrison: nice one
15:36 sfan5 !title
15:36 MinetestBot sfan5: The Everlove &quot;Cities in Dust&quot; - YouTube
15:36 john_minetest sfan5... Always suspecting a rickroll...
15:36 sfan5 no
15:37 john_minetest :P
15:37 sfan5 I just want to know what it may be about w/o watching it
15:37 * sfan5 hugs MinetestBot
15:37 john_minetest If harrison posts a video it is either music or strange cubes.
15:37 VanessaE there, I just put the dac server to work on it too (don't worry, I nice -n -20 the process) so now 12 cores + 2 GPUs. :)
15:40 john_minetest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lExW80sXsHs
15:43 VanessaE (I figure I'm already paying for the server and it's 80% idle, so why not put it to work, eh?)
15:43 sfan5 Jordach: http://i.imgur.com/R1QBgSz.jpg
15:46 john_minetest Lol, that space station :P
15:46 harrison i loved that song -- the original version of it -- when it came out almost 30 years ago. but i only found out last month that it was about pompeii
15:47 reactor john_minetest: yeah, totally.
15:47 sfan5 john_minetest: http://i.imgur.com/xBBToEr.gif
15:47 Exio4 VanessaE: VPS?
15:47 Exio4 or dedi?
15:47 reactor Why does it so instantly remind of a space station when it's just a hair pin?!
15:47 Exio4 -20 is high priority isn't it?
15:48 VanessaE deidi
15:48 VanessaE dedi*
15:48 VanessaE -20 is low prio with the 'nice' command
15:48 VanessaE (it's opposite of usual, which always confused me :P )
15:48 VanessaE at least I think it is
15:48 harrison prio as in priority or prio as in prion?
15:48 VanessaE no matter, I can change it
15:49 harrison the process so nice
15:49 harrison they had to nice it twice
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15:49 VanessaE oh wait
15:50 VanessaE needs to be +19, not -20
15:50 VanessaE dammit
15:50 * VanessaE switches it
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15:55 Exio4 VanessaE: told you
15:55 VanessaE yeah, that damn thing always confused me
15:56 VanessaE thanks for the sanity-check :)
15:56 john_minetest Wait... So that's why I always got long runtimes for my tar commands...
15:59 Exio4 lol
16:01 harrison john_minetest you gave me a great idea: how about a film with music AND strange cubes?
16:02 john_minetest That's what you are doing the whole time O_o
16:02 john_minetest Hey, post the link to the ket one here.
16:04 harrison o i think i know which one you mean. a minute please
16:05 harrison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu3swsAqQdw
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16:13 sydney How do I get a pasword to conect to one of your servers?
16:15 PilzAdam sydney, there is no centralized password system
16:15 PilzAdam passwords are per-server, and you can usually set one the first time you connect
16:16 sydney PilzAdam: Well I have not had any luck connecting to a server. Can you help conect to one?
16:17 PilzAdam do you get any error messages?
16:17 sydney PilzAdam:  Connection timed out.
16:18 PilzAdam what server have you tried?
16:18 Sokomine sydney: start with vanessaes mostly vanilla server. that ought to get you connected pretty reliably
16:18 Sokomine sydney: most other servers have more media data (textures etc.) and thus the first attempt at connection may fail
16:18 PilzAdam also what Minetest version do you use?
16:19 sydney PilzAdam: I don't know. the one I just downloaded.
16:20 PilzAdam its displayed in the top-left corner
16:20 sydney .3.1
16:21 PilzAdam that version is very outdated
16:21 sydney whats the newest?
16:21 PilzAdam http://minetest.net/download
16:21 PilzAdam 0.4.9 is the latest version
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16:27 * Jordach is playing South Park: Stick of Truth
16:29 sydney How do I install version 4.9?
16:29 PilzAdam what OS do you have?
16:29 sydney PilzAdam: ubuntu 12.04
16:30 PilzAdam have you installed you current version with the package manager?
16:30 sydney Yes,I installed 3.5 with ubuntu software center.
16:31 Mark__ Hi
16:31 Mark__ oops
16:31 PilzAdam then first remove that version, add this ppa: ppa:minetestdevs/stable and install the package minetestc55
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16:32 sydney PilzAdam:  how do i install that ppa?
16:32 markveidemanis Anyone have Fedora/CentOS?
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16:33 PilzAdam https://help.ubuntu.com/community​/Repositories/Ubuntu#Adding_PPAs
16:33 PenguinDad I'm on Fedora right now but why do you ask?
16:33 arsdragonfly1 !up arsenalmp.no-ip.org 16000
16:33 MinetestBot arsenalmp.no-ip.org:16000 is up (597ms)
16:34 arsdragonfly1 server featuring my AdvancedMarket and RandomMessages mod is up... going to sleep
16:34 arsdragonfly1 see you guys tomorrow
16:35 markveidemanis I need a server build from Fedora
16:35 markveidemanis I tried with a VM, but nothing
16:36 harrison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91jOniRKorE
16:36 markveidemanis PenguinDad, Would you be able to very kindly make me a build with -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 -DENABLE_CURL=0 -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 ?
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16:44 sydney Thanks,everyone
16:45 VanessaE annnnnnnd..... abe's power supply just took a shit... and it was only drawing a little over half its rated load.  good thing I had a spare.
16:57 markveidemanis VanessaE, What are the specs of your server?
17:01 VanessaE dual core i3, 3.4 GHz, 4 threads, 8GB ram, 2TB storage
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17:01 markveidemanis Nice :)
17:01 VanessaE pulling 21 kH/s on litecoins right now with 4 threads.  [obama-not-bad.jpg]
17:01 markveidemanis litecoins?
17:01 VanessaE forget it.
17:02 VanessaE bbl
17:02 Calinou VanessaE turned into a coin miner? I thought she was against it
17:02 VanessaE nope, I was just too lazy to bother
17:03 * markveidemanis 's server has 24 Cores 2Ghz each
17:03 Calinou but you don't get access to all of them
17:03 markveidemanis but *cough* 10GB *cough*
17:04 Calinou RAM doesn't mean performance
17:04 Calinou in fact, having lots of RAM is a tiny bit slower than a bit of RAM. ;)
17:04 Calinou but the difference is not visible
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17:04 markveidemanis I mean 10GB disk space :P
17:04 markveidemanis haha
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17:07 hoodedice Jordach!
17:08 PilzAdam hoodedice!
17:08 PilzAdam I have a question for you
17:09 hoodedice yw?
17:09 PilzAdam can you read? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8768
17:09 hoodedice !tell Jordach: Looks like someone bested you in making a minetest short lolol https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=133832#p133832
17:09 MinetestBot hoodedice: Do not put an : at the end of nickname
17:10 hoodedice Whoops. Sorry MinetestBot
17:10 hoodedice !tell Jordach Looks like someone bested you in making a minetest short lolol https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=133832#p133832
17:10 MinetestBot hoodedice: I'll pass that on when Jordach is around
17:10 hoodedice PilzAdam: Yes, very much so - Now where exactly did I commit an error?
17:11 PilzAdam "Everybody can use only one word for one day."
17:11 hoodedice "Everybody can use only one word for one day." - Therefore, as long as I use different words, I can post
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17:12 PilzAdam its not "Everybody can use a lot of words for one day"
17:13 hoodedice Yes, but it does not include "Everybody *should* use one word for one day"
17:13 hoodedice It is a can.
17:13 hoodedice *can*
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17:14 hoodedice So, again, "do it if you want to" is implied here
17:14 PilzAdam it doesnt make any sense if everbody could just keep posting
17:14 hoodedice But then,
17:14 hoodedice punctuation marks are not  word
17:14 harrison why should a husk have flashing lights?
17:14 PilzAdam he isnt a native english speaker, you cant take everything he says literally
17:15 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=134221#p134221
17:15 harrison because it is an emergent seed vehicle
17:15 hoodedice harrison
17:15 PilzAdam how about you just think what makes sense in a game like this?
17:15 hoodedice That was so funny, I jumped off a building twice
17:15 harrison i write most of my own material
17:16 harrison it is a gift
17:16 harrison one of many
17:16 hoodedice PilzAdam: The way I see it, I am allowed to post a unique word in my post everyday
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17:16 MinetestBot GIT: Novatux commited to minetest/minetest: Fix "ghost stacks" created when a player clicks an item on the ground: 936c6f577a 2014-03-22T18:15:33+01:00 http://git.io/WUvugg
17:16 harrison how do you catch a unique rabbit?
17:16 harrison unique up on it
17:16 hoodedice Edit the OP if you want, but if I find a loophole, I won't be hesitating to abuse it =P
17:17 markveidemanis is minetest LGPL?
17:17 hoodedice LGPL 2.0
17:18 hoodedice Anyway, PilzAdam, have you seen this: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8856
17:19 PilzAdam my Google Ultron cant display it
17:20 hoodedice Ultron is hacked, Use Internet Explorer
17:20 specing lolololoo
17:20 Calinou 2.1, hoodedice
17:20 Calinou (3 was available...)
17:21 hoodedice 2.1?
17:21 hoodedice oh. okay
17:22 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/8959384
17:22 hoodedice 2.1, markveidemanis, LGPL 2.1
17:22 hoodedice Sorry about that
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17:22 PilzAdam markveidemanis, good joke
17:22 markveidemanis well same thing
17:23 hoodedice Also, markveidemanis, I am planning on massively greifing their servers
17:23 markveidemanis Not like they will notice
17:23 markveidemanis Im in!
17:23 hoodedice okay, anyone else with me?
17:23 markveidemanis gotta admit its a good website
17:23 hoodedice Nah, who you kidding, lol?
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17:24 hoodedice We knew about it like, a month before the thread was created on the forums
17:25 hoodedice Let's start with port 30000
17:25 markveidemanis lets ... you got it
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17:26 hoodedice Looks like the servers are offline
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17:27 PilzAdam I think I crashed 30000 some hours ago
17:27 markveidemanis 30001 isnt
17:27 markveidemanis how?
17:27 PilzAdam throwing a lot of objects arround and setting a large forest on fire
17:27 markveidemanis ah, classic
17:28 markveidemanis what a shitty server then
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17:29 markveidemanis You still loading?
17:29 hoodedice PilzAdam. Always a step ahead.
17:29 hoodedice Got into 30014
17:30 hoodedice Come on, let's party!
17:30 markveidemanis loading...
17:30 markveidemanis anyone else there?
17:31 hoodedice ...stuck on media.
17:31 hoodedice No wait
17:31 hoodedice 30013
17:31 hoodedice Sorry
17:32 markveidemanis Same, but the slider is moving
17:32 markveidemanis grrr
17:32 hoodedice Switch off preload
17:32 markveidemanis My cache is surprisingly small
17:33 hoodedice They don't even hve proper servers lol
17:36 markveidemanis LOADING...
17:36 * markveidemanis accisentally pressed Esc
17:36 hoodedice Okay, I'm gonna go in and tell everyone online about minetest first, then start griefing
17:37 hoodedice If I get banned, I'm gonna try reconnecting via proxy or something
17:37 * PilzAdam got 2 lava buckets on 30014
17:37 hoodedice PilzAdam: I'm on 30013
17:37 hoodedice Sorry about the typo
17:38 hoodedice PilzAdam: How? You hacked, or actually mined?
17:38 PilzAdam \o/ "Server shutting down"
17:38 hoodedice Wow
17:39 PilzAdam its actually faster to legit mine than to code a hacked client
17:39 markveidemanis We need a chart
17:39 hoodedice woah
17:39 markveidemanis Which servers are up
17:39 hoodedice mark, I'm in on 13
17:39 markveidemanis Could someone use minetestbot to map the ports?
17:39 markveidemanis I'm stuck on media
17:40 markveidemanis 30000-30019
17:40 sfan5 markveidemanis: which server?
17:41 PilzAdam 0 3 and 14 are down
17:41 markveidemanis all of them
17:41 markveidemanis Just once
17:41 sfan5 markveidemanis: which IP/domain?
17:41 markveidemanis well, they failed with the server numbering
17:41 markveidemanis globeminner.com
17:41 markveidemanis server1: 30000 server19: 30019
17:42 sfan5 !up globeminner.com 30000-30019
17:42 hoodedice 30013 is up
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30000 seems to be down
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30001 is up (242ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30002 is up (253ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30003 seems to be down
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30004 is up (252ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30005 is up (233ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30006 is up (231ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30007 is up (226ms)
17:42 PilzAdam sfan5, .... <PilzAdam> 0 3 and 14 are down
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30008 is up (238ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30009 is up (228ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30010 is up (239ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30011 is up (248ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30012 is up (243ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30013 is up (227ms)
17:42 PilzAdam sfan5, I already did that in PM
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30014 seems to be down
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30015 is up (227ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30016 is up (220ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30017 is up (232ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30018 is up (227ms)
17:42 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30019 is up (234ms)
17:42 hoodedice PilzAdam: I need you on 13
17:42 sfan5 PilzAdam: well then
17:42 markveidemanis ok
17:43 specing lol globeminner
17:43 hoodedice Who is Corn?
17:43 PenguinDad hoodedice: i'm coming
17:43 PilzAdam Im "FuckYou"
17:44 PenguinDad or at least trying
17:44 hoodedice k, coolio
17:44 EvergreenTree trolling the minetest clone I see?
17:44 EvergreenTree I'm joining
17:46 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/8959429
17:48 hoodedice Daheck you make a steel bucket?
17:48 markveidemanis 3 steel
17:48 EvergreenTree Which server are all of you guys on?
17:48 markveidemanis 3,1 2,2 3,3
17:49 * markveidemanis updates
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17:49 nore 1. they violate the license 2. it is impossible to join the servers because it is too long...
17:49 hoodedice got it
17:49 hoodedice EvergreenTree: 30013
17:49 nore (media...)
17:49 hoodedice nore, turn off preload
17:49 nore already turned off IIRC
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17:50 PenguinDad hoodedice: media has nothing to do with preload
17:50 nore yep, just checked, it is
17:50 PilzAdam I have a cooler client now
17:50 nore no, media is meshes, etc
17:50 nore PilzAdam, what does that mean?
17:50 hoodedice PilzAdam: Got some steel ready, gotta dig for lava now
17:50 Calinou please, don't do childish stuff against them; it's a waste of time and makes us look bad
17:50 Calinou and don't even think about attacking/griefing/DDoSing them.
17:51 PilzAdam yay, its down
17:51 nore ^ I agree... only tell them that minetest exists and that this game violates its license
17:51 hoodedice Yaay
17:51 hoodedice nore, I'm putting up signs on it's servers
17:51 PilzAdam ... but.... but its so fun
17:51 hoodedice *its
17:52 markveidemanis It is
17:52 hoodedice PA: hacked client?
17:52 markveidemanis BUT I CANT JOIN!
17:52 hoodedice You so evil
17:52 nore maybe code some sort of bot that is connected to the server and says a message each time someone connects
17:53 hoodedice Boom, they'll ban the bot
17:53 specing maybe code a bot so nobody can connect? :D
17:53 hoodedice ^^
17:53 markveidemanis http://pastie.org/8959445
17:53 specing I recommend the minetest devs include a backdoor into the codebase
17:53 hoodedice But, with the crappy transfer rates, no one can connect anyway =P
17:53 specing it'll be the easiest solution to this and all future such problems
17:54 hoodedice !g backdoor source code
17:54 MinetestBot hoodedice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backdoor_(computing)
17:54 PilzAdam 1 is down
17:54 EvergreenTree What server is next?
17:54 EvergreenTree *port
17:54 nore PilzAdam, what does your client do?
17:55 hoodedice specing I think backdoors will only increase griefs on our own servers
17:55 hoodedice I say, 12
17:55 specing hoodedice: not if only one dev knows about it
17:55 nore specing, that's not possible with FOSS
17:55 specing why not?
17:55 hoodedice #OurCodeIsOpenSource
17:55 specing ofcourse it is
17:55 hoodedice #ninja'd
17:56 PenguinDad everybody with enough knowledge could find it
17:57 specing by that logic Linux should be exploit-free
17:57 specing but it isn't
17:57 markveidemanis How about one hash that you need to connect
17:57 specing and Linux has much, much more oversight than minetest
17:57 markveidemanis That san be disabled in the conf
17:57 markveidemanis But is not documented
17:58 PilzAdam 2 is down
17:59 john_minetest specing: Linux has not a lot of exploits.
17:59 specing john_minetest: yes it does
17:59 PilzAdam nore, evil stuff
17:59 john_minetest There are not many kernel exploits.
17:59 nore that is?
18:00 specing john_minetest: there are many
18:00 john_minetest specing: Linux systems can be cracked by using applications that have security holes. When those applications have root access, the system can be exploited.
18:00 PenguinDad Pure Evilness™ by PilzAdam
18:00 john_minetest A lot of Java in those exploits.
18:01 john_minetest Because the java runtime is crap.
18:01 john_minetest And java is crap.
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18:03 specing Linux has (had) a lot of priviledge escalation holes, no java needed
18:03 specing http://blog.includesecurity.com/2014/03/exploit-CV​E-2014-0038-x32-recvmmsg-kernel-vulnerablity.html
18:03 PilzAdam specing, a blogpost is not a reliable source </wikipedia>
18:04 specing That was given as an example
18:04 specing the x32 bug is quite severe
18:04 crazyR does anyone know how to make obsidian glass and clear glass seamless, ive seen it on the landrush server but cnt figure out how its done.
18:04 nore obsidian glass: cook an obsidian shard
18:05 hoodedice Who is corn??
18:05 crazyR i know how to make it, what i mean is how do i make it look seamless, im guesing its some sort of rendering setting on my server
18:05 nore lol, even their dirt_with_snow texture is wrong
18:06 PenguinDad hoodedice: connected to 30012
18:06 PenguinDad I'm WhySoSerious
18:06 john_minetest specing: Still, look at the exploits aviable for windows. Viruses are able to DEINSTALL IE! I am admin on windows and I am not able to do that!
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18:07 john_minetest On Linux, an exploit can't do more than root ;)
18:07 john_minetest Also the blog 404s
18:07 specing lol since when is windows relewant?
18:08 john_minetest It is an example for a closed-source program.
18:08 john_minetest To show that many eyes DO stop most of the exploits.
18:08 specing lolno
18:08 specing windows is a commercial program where time is of the essence
18:08 john_minetest And on linux the gap is closed very fast while on windows nothing happens for weeks
18:10 Calinou time is diesel
18:10 john_minetest Also you didn't show me a prove yet that an exploit exists. The blog times out, 404.
18:10 * Calinou gallops away
18:10 * john_minetest ignites the diesel. Btw, Diesel was a german guy.
18:10 john_minetest And the inventor of the car, too.
18:11 markveidemanis got google plus? https://plus.google.com/10​5061542687357253886/posts
18:11 john_minetest NOBODY got google plus.
18:11 * Jordach dives for cover
18:11 MinetestBot Jordach: 03-22 17:10 UTC <hoodedice> Looks like someone bested you in making a minetest short lolol https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=133832#p133832
18:11 * Jordach goes back to playing South Park: Stick of Truth
18:12 hoodedice EvergreenTree: Too fast
18:12 john_minetest That game is so cool.
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18:12 EvergreenTree The server shut down
18:12 hoodedice tI didn't get to do my job lol
18:12 hoodedice 12 is Down
18:12 hoodedice Yaay
18:12 EvergreenTree which one next?
18:12 lordawe hello there! :)
18:13 hoodedice 11
18:13 hoodedice Hello lordawe
18:14 markveidemanis Can someone update the paste?
18:15 sfan5 EvergreenTree: 30004-30011  & 30015-30019 are up
18:15 EvergreenTree we are working on 11
18:17 Calinou <specing> I recommend the minetest devs include a backdoor into the codebase
18:17 Calinou backdoor as in global moderator system?
18:18 Calinou it could be disabled by server admin, always, but in this case you could add a way to ban the server from the server list.
18:18 Calinou that's what Sauerbraten and Red Eclipse do, but the backdoor is almost never abused
18:18 sfan5 >ban the server from the server list
18:18 sfan5 we can do that
18:22 lordawe Can anybody help me with running server 0.4.9 ?
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18:22 lordawe when i start ir regulary  (on win7) it works perfectly
18:23 lordawe but when i run it from commandline it gives me error?
18:23 lordawe 07:34:55: ERROR[main]: ERROR: An unhandled exception occurred: Failed to bind so
18:23 lordawe cket (port already in use?)
18:25 markveidemanis hahaha
18:25 EvergreenTree yay!
18:25 hoodedice 11 is DOWN!!
18:25 hoodedice Yay
18:25 EvergreenTree another one bites the dust
18:26 markveidemanis Which is next?
18:26 hoodedice 10!
18:26 EvergreenTree 10 is down
18:26 EvergreenTree I think
18:26 EvergreenTree is it?
18:26 markveidemanis nope
18:26 markveidemanis it up
18:26 hoodedice Wait
18:27 PenguinDad "cat /dev/urandom | ncat --udp globeminner.com port" this is evil
18:27 sfan5 PenguinDad: I have something even more evil
18:27 hoodedice sfan5: can you !up globeminner.com 30000-30019 ?
18:28 sfan5 hoodedice: doing right now
18:28 PenguinDad sfan5: what? :>
18:28 hoodedice Grief team: ON 10!
18:29 sfan5 PenguinDad: something that triggers an assert(false)
18:29 sfan5 it was fixed
18:29 sfan5 but I forgot when exactly
18:29 sfan5 so it may be vulnerable
18:29 sfan5 hoodedice: 04-15 & 15-19 up
18:29 hoodedice what?!
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18:31 markveidemanis Im on 9
18:31 hoodedice Wow, looked like the sign bug worked lol
18:32 PilzAdam sfan5, was it something in 6d facedir?
18:32 PilzAdam oh wait, that was client side
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18:32 sfan5 PilzAdam: no, in the minetest protocol itself
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18:34 hoodedice Already crashed 9?
18:34 markveidemanis How do you do the bug?
18:34 sfan5 hoodedice: <MinetestBot> globeminner.com:30009 is up (905ms)
18:36 markveidemanis ${text} ?
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18:36 hoodedice !up globeminner.com 30009
18:36 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30009 seems to be down
18:37 hoodedice !up globeminner.com 30008
18:37 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30008 is up (312ms)
18:37 hoodedice Dude, I need to place some signs before you can down the server, so WAIT
18:38 markveidemanis 30008 is down
18:38 hoodedice lol
18:38 hoodedice Someone is crashing all of them alone with the sign bug
18:38 markveidemanis On 30007
18:38 EvergreenTree 30007
18:38 hoodedice !sign bug minetest
18:38 markveidemanis !g sign bug minetest
18:38 MinetestBot markveidemanis: http://dev.minetest.net/Changelog
18:38 EvergreenTree that bug really must be fixed
18:39 markveidemanis 30007 armed
18:40 PilzAdam what sign bug?
18:40 hoodedice 7 is prolly down now
18:40 EvergreenTree 7 is down
18:40 hoodedice Dunno - whoever does it doesn't want to tell us
18:41 hoodedice 0.4.6 bg it seems
18:41 hoodedice Finishes the server in one minute
18:41 sfan5 04-06 & 15-19 up
18:44 PenguinDad I might have killed 05
18:44 EvergreenTree someone is crashing the servers
18:44 EvergreenTree it isn't us
18:44 hoodedice I think someone is DDOSing
18:44 hoodedice siriusly
18:44 sfan5 maybe it's PilzAdam with the evil script I have him?
18:44 hoodedice aha
18:44 PilzAdam nope
18:44 hoodedice nope to that nope
18:45 hoodedice Could be celeron55 for all we know
18:45 sfan5 lolno
18:46 hoodedice I'm leaving - gonna do something more useful =/
18:46 hoodedice onpon4?
18:46 EvergreenTree 5 is down
18:47 * markveidemanis wonders if this happens with all servers
18:47 sfan5 EvergreenTree, hoodedice: 04,05 & 15-19 are left
18:47 EvergreenTree I can finish them off
18:47 EvergreenTree with the sign bug
18:47 sfan5 the web interface of my router just crashed
18:47 sfan5 well fuck
18:47 crazyR without sounding like im mithering, does anyone know the way to make clear glass look seamless by that i mean so there are no lines between nodes
18:48 hoodedice Standby on server 4 - heavily populated
18:48 PilzAdam crazyR, there is a node-drawtype for that
18:48 hoodedice We're placing signs to tell people about MT - Please don't crash it prematurely
18:50 * markveidemanis YellScrew
18:50 markveidemanis How populated?
18:50 lordawe well, goodbye
18:51 sfan5 !!!! 04 and 15-19 are left
18:51 crazyR PilzAdam Thanks. didi#nt even think of researching that
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18:55 hoodedice down. Yaay
18:55 EvergreenTree 4 more to go
18:55 hoodedice on 3
18:55 hoodedice wait...
18:56 EvergreenTree 3 is down
18:56 EvergreenTree !up globeminner.com:30003
18:56 MinetestBot EvergreenTree: Syntax changed, please use 'example.org 1337' instead of 'example.org:1337'
18:56 EvergreenTree !up globeminner.com 30003
18:56 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30003 seems to be down
18:56 sfan5 !! 15-19 left
18:56 EvergreenTree see
18:56 EvergreenTree yellscrew crashed 15 already
18:57 hoodedice lol
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18:57 hoodedice Sad thing is - I'm not able to put up signs on all servers
18:58 CWz go 2 prots ahead then
18:58 CWz *ports
18:58 markveidemanis they changed their site!
18:58 EvergreenTree crashing 17
18:58 EvergreenTree 17 crashed
18:59 EvergreenTree 18 crashed
18:59 hoodedice lol
18:59 hoodedice What is it now mark?
18:59 markveidemanis Hmm?
18:59 hoodedice BTW, I got the bug
18:59 markveidemanis I'm YS
19:00 hoodedice =D
19:00 hoodedice But please wait for my signs first
19:00 hoodedice ^This is IMPORTANT
19:00 CWz Yes wait
19:00 rubenwardy Hi all
19:00 EvergreenTree alright, fine
19:00 EvergreenTree only 19 is left
19:00 hoodedice Hi rubenwardy
19:00 sfan5 EvergreenTree: 18 and 19 are left
19:00 markveidemanis How do you do the minetestbot port range again?
19:01 EvergreenTree I though I crashed 18
19:01 EvergreenTree *thought
19:01 sfan5 !up globeminner.com 30018
19:01 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30018 is up (1782ms)
19:01 markveidemanis !up globeminner.com 30017
19:01 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30017 seems to be down
19:01 markveidemanis !up globeminner.com 30019
19:01 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30019 is up (244ms)
19:02 rubenwardy What are you guys doing?
19:02 markveidemanis erm...nothing
19:02 markveidemanis !up globeminner.com 30018
19:02 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30018 seems to be down
19:02 markveidemanis heh
19:02 PilzAdam rubenwardy, nothing to see here, move along
19:03 sfan5 rubenwardy: they are crashing all globeminner servers
19:03 rubenwardy Is it based on Minetest? Or are you getting jealous of other clones?
19:03 rubenwardy ha
19:03 EvergreenTree no, it is illegal
19:03 EvergreenTree it violates lgpl
19:03 rubenwardy 30 km. I guess it is based on Minetest.
19:04 PenguinDad it is based on minetest
19:04 EvergreenTree !up globeminner.com 30019
19:04 hoodedice Down
19:04 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30019 seems to be down
19:04 rubenwardy Why does this happen?
19:04 hoodedice Yaay
19:04 EvergreenTree all servers are down
19:04 hoodedice Woot!
19:04 rubenwardy Are you DDoS-ing them?
19:04 hoodedice Party!
19:05 hoodedice Nope, ${text} ing them
19:05 EvergreenTree Yep
19:05 hoodedice =P
19:05 EvergreenTree Exploiting a bug more like
19:05 EvergreenTree It segfaults the server
19:05 rubenwardy That website is rubbish
19:05 EvergreenTree but it was fixed in minetest
19:05 rubenwardy lol
19:05 markveidemanis !up globeminner.com 30000 - 30019
19:05 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30000 seems to be down
19:05 PilzAdam rubenwardy, I crashed some by setting forests on fire
19:05 sfan5 MinetestBot: reports none up
19:05 sfan5 Congrats, I guess
19:05 hoodedice Yaay
19:06 EvergreenTree ip of website?
19:06 PilzAdam now how do we crash the website?
19:06 hoodedice "I guess"
19:06 rubenwardy Just all refresh constantly
19:06 hoodedice We are Anonymous.
19:06 hoodedice We are Legion.
19:06 EvergreenTree what is the ip of the website?
19:06 PilzAdam 50.198.2.134
19:06 hoodedice We are Invincible. Not really. But Still
19:06 hoodedice Everyone "ping 50.198.2.134"
19:06 hoodedice trololol
19:07 sfan5 !py __import__('os').popen("dig globeminner.com | grep A").read()
19:07 MinetestBot ';; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 50461\n;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0\n;globeminner.com.\t\tIN\tA\n;; ANSWER SECTION:\nglobeminner.com.\t167\tIN\​tCNAME\tsurftodonate.com.\nsurftodon​ate.com.\t47\tIN\tA\t50.198.2.134\n'
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19:07 sfan5 >surftodonate.com
19:07 sfan5 wut
19:07 EvergreenTree their website is rubbish
19:07 PilzAdam lol, they have globeminner.com and www.globeminner.com
19:07 EvergreenTree it is designed poorly
19:07 EvergreenTree it must die
19:07 rubenwardy 50.198.2.133
19:08 rubenwardy ^ their ip
19:08 hoodedice Gonna DDOS?
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19:08 rubenwardy lol
19:08 EvergreenTree How do you ping the server?
19:08 sfan5 !py __import__('os').popen("whois 50.198.2.133").read()
19:08 MinetestBot '\n#\n# ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use\n# available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html\n#\n\n\n#\n# The following results may also be obtained via:\n# http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=50.198.2.133?sh​owDetails=true&amp;showARIN=false&amp;ext=netref2\n#\n\n\n# start\n\nNetRange:       50.198.2.128 - 50.198.2.135\nCIDR:           50.198.2.128/29\nOriginAS:       \nNetName:        ITCTECHNOLOGIES\nNetHandle:      NET-50-198-2
19:08 rubenwardy http://50.198.2.133/phpMy/
19:09 rubenwardy ^ their PHPmyAdmin
19:09 PilzAdam #ddosglobeminner <- all join!
19:09 sfan5 oh what the fuck
19:09 sfan5 lol
19:09 sfan5 !py __import__('os').popen("whois 50.198.2.133 | grep address").read()
19:09 MinetestBot ''
19:09 markveidemanis Im pinging with 65500 bytes
19:09 sfan5 really?
19:10 sfan5 pinging with 65500 bytes won't get you anywhere
19:10 markveidemanis why?
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19:10 PenguinDad they don't seem to respond for
19:10 sfan5 if you want serious stuff do an tcp syn flood
19:10 PenguinDad +me
19:10 PilzAdam IIRC you can crash some old windows version by pinging it
19:10 sfan5 PilzAdam: old = Win 2000 in this case
19:10 rubenwardy ha!
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19:11 rubenwardy http://globeminner.com/ and http://www.globeminner.com/ go to different websites!
19:11 sfan5 they have Apache/2.2.25 (Win32) PHP/5.3.27
19:11 sfan5 who the fuck hosts server on windows?
19:11 PenguinDad windows O_O
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19:11 w_laenger hi
19:12 PilzAdam "Globeminner is like MineCraft with key differences such as there are no limitations on the number of blocks you can build in any direction"
19:12 PilzAdam lol
19:12 PilzAdam http://images.ilovepetras.co​m/gm/globeminner_r19_c17.png
19:12 hoodedice lol
19:13 PilzAdam thats totally how their interface looks
19:13 EvergreenTree I think ddosing is illegal
19:13 sfan5 EvergreenTree: we are not ddosing
19:13 hoodedice It is, if it cause more than $5000 in loss
19:13 hoodedice =P
19:14 EvergreenTree ah
19:14 PenguinDad violating the LGPL is illegal too
19:14 sfan5 ahahahahahha
19:14 hoodedice Since they are stealing from *us*, so yeah
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19:15 PilzAdam vigilantism is illegal too
19:15 sfan5 hoodedice: https://mediacru.sh/JdLDfK6Z0EnJ.png
19:15 Calinou <sfan5> who the fuck hosts server on windows?
19:15 Calinou about 35% of servers
19:15 Calinou 9% of supercomputers
19:15 hoodedice sfan5: well?
19:15 hoodedice Seen that already
19:15 sfan5 hoodedice: I was asking where you get your blenders
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19:16 hoodedice -.-
19:16 hoodedice From microcenter
19:16 hoodedice (lol)
19:16 hoodedice Do we send a mail to globem guys?
19:16 w_laenger http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3149355/what​-happens-to-those-who-break-open-source-license
19:17 hoodedice Maybe just sue them lol
19:17 hoodedice Split the money among everyone on Minetest
19:17 hoodedice Forums.
19:17 rubenwardy https://www.flickr.com/photos/rube​nwardy/13334618514/in/photostream/
19:18 hoodedice flickr? n00b
19:18 rubenwardy Would you rather I linked to google plus?
19:18 hoodedice Real imaging guys use imgur
19:18 w_laenger !up minetest.org 30015
19:18 MinetestBot minetest.org:30015 is up (951ms)
19:18 markveidemanis Let's buy bitcoins!
19:18 hoodedice plus.google.com is better =)
19:19 hoodedice Anyway
19:19 markveidemanis https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8836
19:19 hoodedice "Real imaging guys use imgur". Like this Real IT techie Real imaging guys use imgur
19:19 sfan5 !title
19:19 MinetestBot sfan5: Wanted - Fedora CentOS Build (Page 1) — Bugs and Problems — Minetest Forums
19:19 hoodedice *oops: http://imgur.com/gallery/iJD8f
19:19 hoodedice *cough* https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=134243#p134243
19:20 sfan5 !title
19:20 MinetestBot sfan5: MINETEST SURVIVAL MODE SERIES ON UTUBE (Page 1) — General Discussion — Minetest Forums
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19:20 Calinou "utube" http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumb​lr_m2n7hoaRdd1r3k1m8o1_500.png
19:20 Calinou <hoodedice> Real imaging guys use imgur
19:20 Calinou mediacru.sh ;)
19:21 Calinou <hoodedice> plus.google.com is better =)
19:21 w_laenger http://paste.ubuntu.com/7137386/
19:21 Calinou certainly not privacy-wise
19:21 sfan5 utube(.de) was/is actually a site to download YT videos
19:21 hoodedice Calinou, it was #PIlzAdamstyleSarcasm
19:22 sfan5 w_laenger: you moved /usr/lib/libIrrlicht.a or something else happend to it; run CMake again
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19:22 w_laenger doing cmake again doesn't help
19:22 w_laenger I also did make clean
19:22 * hoodedice goes back to important things
19:22 sfan5 w_laenger: try deleting CMakeCache.txt
19:23 w_laenger thanks
19:24 w_laenger maybe it's because I use a .sh script that I don't have to mention the settings(like DENABLE_...) every time
19:25 hoodedice https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=134247#p134247
19:25 sfan5 !title
19:25 MinetestBot sfan5: GlobeMinner: another minetest ripoff (Page 1) — Minetest-related projects — Minetest Forums
19:29 Calinou "ripoff" is rarely a good term.
19:29 hoodedice Indeed.
19:30 w_laenger http://ubuntuone.com/0dXRrB0BRbUG1uNXXjNX6w Gronkh lives in germany, doesn't he?
19:30 Calinou I think he does
19:31 w_laenger and GEMA mentioned "country"
19:31 w_laenger so did he get problems with nonfree music?
19:32 john_minetest Gronkh is from cologne iirc
19:32 john_minetest I think he prevents music by talking over the music.
19:32 john_minetest He mentioned it in GTA a few times when he turned off the music or talked a lot to talk over the music.
19:33 w_laenger ok
19:34 john_minetest And I guess that some of the music is either too old to have copyright or some game music which isn't GEMA'd.
19:35 john_minetest In his minecraft Let's plays he uses music from final fantasy and some daedalic games for example.
19:36 john_minetest And a lot more.
19:36 hoodedice w/e. Just listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxroiTRg7Tg
19:36 sfan5 !title
19:36 MinetestBot sfan5: Amerika - Rammstein (English Subtitles) - YouTube
19:36 john_minetest I had the CD of it once.
19:37 w_laenger and he can't watch every of his videos where he put the music
19:37 john_minetest But my brother broke it.
19:37 john_minetest The CD was a limited edition with several remixes.
19:37 hoodedice john_minetest: Rammstein CD?
19:38 john_minetest Yes.
19:38 w_laenger something less offtopic: http://ubuntuone.com/1ct3f95oVSADZKLTWsfR3i ← is there a maximum length of characters a name can have?
19:38 john_minetest It was the "America" CD, a limited edition.
19:38 hoodedice wow.
19:38 john_minetest And my brother broke it \o/
19:39 w_laenger you could try to repair it
19:40 john_minetest Impossible
19:40 john_minetest It broke in two halves.
19:40 w_laenger you only would need very fine glue
19:40 john_minetest Fixing scratches in CDs is easy. But if it is completely broken, it isn't possible.
19:41 w_laenger why not?
19:41 hoodedice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS0paP2ekfg
19:41 w_laenger ↑ is not broken into 2 halves
19:42 hoodedice Use glue... owait...
19:42 john_minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1eCiedclYE
19:43 w_laenger glue: http://is.gd/kdmblY
19:43 w_laenger sounds a bit like the music of sauerbraten
19:44 Calinou marc a pullen :D
19:44 Calinou I have all of his albums
19:45 w_laenger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmEbNt_G6Ac
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19:51 w_laenger please add psm (perspective shadow mapping) to minetest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4roGXu4gOM
19:52 hoodedice !tell RealBadAngel: Can you consider perspective shadow mapping for Minetest? Or do we already have it?
19:52 MinetestBot hoodedice: Do not put an : at the end of nickname
19:52 hoodedice !tell RealBadAngel Can you consider perspective shadow mapping for Minetest? Or do we already have it?
19:52 MinetestBot hoodedice: I'll pass that on when RealBadAngel is around
19:52 hoodedice w_laenger: Done.
19:52 w_laenger thanks
19:52 Enke Looks pretty. :-)
19:53 john_minetest !tell wilhelm Lol, I guess you got a lot of messages when you join.
19:53 MinetestBot john_minetest: yeah, sure, whatever
19:53 john_minetest :P
19:54 john_minetest wilhelm tell :D
19:54 w_laenger let me try
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19:54 w_laenger !tell wilhelm Lol, I guess you got a lot of messages when you join.
19:54 MinetestBot w_laenger: I'll pass that on when wilhelm is around
19:54 w_laenger ~help
19:54 ShadowBot w_laenger: help [<plugin>] [<command>]
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19:54 w_laenger ~tell wilhelm Lol, I guess you got a lot of messages when you join.
19:54 ShadowBot w_laenger: O.K.
19:55 john_minetest ~tell wilhelm You are wilhelm tell
19:55 ShadowBot john_minetest: O.K.
19:55 john_minetest lol
19:55 wilhelm lol
19:55 MinetestBot wilhelm: 03-22 19:53 UTC <john_minetest> Lol, I guess you got a lot of messages when you join.
19:55 wilhelm nice
19:55 MinetestBot wilhelm: 03-22 19:54 UTC <w_laenger> Lol, I guess you got a lot of messages when you join.
19:55 wilhelm :D
19:55 john_minetest Hmmm...
19:56 w_laenger /nick RealBadAngel
19:56 john_minetest It should only tell registered nicks.
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19:57 john_minetest heh
19:57 w_laenger you could try out hot glue and much precision to repair the CD and you may fetch some data from it
19:57 MinetestBot w_laenger: 03-22 19:57 UTC <john_minetest> Lol!
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19:57 sfan5 !g perspective shadow mapping
19:57 MinetestBot sfan5: http://http.developer.nvidia.​com/GPUGems/gpugems_ch14.html
19:57 nate_ There we go
19:57 nate_ ~hi
19:57 ShadowBot Hello nate_!
19:58 w_laenger !g irrlicht psm
19:58 MinetestBot w_laenger: http://irrlicht.sourceforge.ne​t/forum/viewtopic.php?p=263036
19:58 PenguinDad hi ShadowBot
19:58 ShadowBot Hello PenguinDad!
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20:00 w_laenger you could add an embedded irc to minetest.net http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/chat/
20:01 nate_ Micro u here
20:01 sfan5 !seen Microchip
20:01 MinetestBot sfan5: microchip was last seen at 2014-02-19 03:49:40 UTC on #minetest
20:01 w_laenger !seen PilzAdam
20:01 MinetestBot w_laenger: pilzadam was last seen at 2014-03-21 11:08:57 UTC on #minetest
20:01 nate_ ~seen microchip
20:01 ShadowBot nate_: I saw microchip in #minetest 7 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours, 45 minutes, and 13 seconds ago saying "Does anybody know how to change the distance that player names are visible at on a server?".
20:02 w_laenger ~seen w_laenger
20:02 ShadowBot w_laenger: I saw w_laenger in #minetest 29 seconds ago saying "!seen PilzAdam".
20:02 Eater4 U stole isis.inchra.net Bot XD net split
20:03 Eater4 ~seen Microchip
20:04 ShadowBot Eater4: I saw Microchip in #minetest 7 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours, 47 minutes, and 21 seconds ago saying "Does anybody know how to change the distance that player names are visible at on a server?".
20:04 w_laenger you need to press + or -
20:04 PenguinDad ~logger seenany knifethrower93
20:04 ShadowBot PenguinDad: I saw knifethrower93 in #minetest 1 day, 6 hours, 28 minutes, and 25 seconds ago quiting (Client Quit)
20:06 w_laenger Do you think using this causes much lag? https://github.com/HybridDog/miscellane​ous/blob/master/txt/on_enter_chunk.lua
20:09 w_laenger ~up digitalaudioconcepts.com 30000-30015
20:09 ShadowBot w_laenger: Error: Too many Ports specified
20:09 w_laenger ~up digitalaudioconcepts.com 30000-30010
20:09 ShadowBot w_laenger: digitalaudioconcepts.com port 30000 is up (945ms) | port 30001 is up (945ms) | port 30002 is up (944ms) | port 30004 is up (943ms) | port 30005 is up (942ms) | port 30003 is up (944ms) | port 30006 is down | port 30007 is down | port 30008 is down | port 30010 is down | port 30009 is down
20:09 w_laenger ~up digitalaudioconcepts.com 30000-3000
20:09 ShadowBot w_laenger: digitalaudioconcepts.com
20:10 w_laenger ~up digitalaudioconcepts.com -1
20:10 ShadowBot w_laenger: Error: Invalid Port:
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20:10 w_laenger !calc 1+1
20:10 w_laenger !c 1+1
20:10 MinetestBot 2
20:10 w_laenger !c 90!
20:10 MinetestBot SyntaxError: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
20:11 rubenwardy w_laenger: minetest.register_globalstep(function(delta)
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20:11 w_laenger oops
20:12 rubenwardy and then do             t_old += delta
20:12 rubenwardy and  t_old > 1000 (1 sec)
20:12 PilzAdam w_laenger, could you stop abusing the bots?
20:12 rubenwardy and tn = 0
20:12 * w_laenger will try it
20:12 w_laenger the thing of pilzadam
20:13 w_laenger += works with lua?
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20:15 rubenwardy I think so
20:15 w_laenger stdin:1: syntax error near '+'
20:15 * w_laenger doesn't
20:16 w_laenger dtime could work faster than os.clock()
20:18 w_laenger (or delta)
20:22 w_laenger and now it's quiet
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20:29 hoodedice Who is PandaFu?
20:29 CWz joined #minetest
20:30 hoodedice Cwz: Are you PandaFu?
20:30 CWz nope
20:30 hoodedice Someone just griefed globemminer server 0 with that nick
20:34 PilzAdam all the servers are up again
20:34 hoodedice We
20:34 hoodedice We're going to just place signs all over the place
20:34 hoodedice But I don't think it will help - Getting the site and games down should be our main priority
20:35 hoodedice SignBug, did you grief??
20:35 CWz No
20:36 hoodedice How did it shut down?
20:36 hoodedice I think they are monitoring us
20:37 hoodedice PilzAdam: dafuq?
20:40 hoodedice I think all servers are shutting down?
20:40 hoodedice !up globeminner.com 30000-30019
20:40 MinetestBot hoodedice: To check multiple Ports please use Query
20:40 hoodedice !help
20:40 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestb​ot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
20:40 CWz i think it's best to  just leave there servers alone. it won't accomplish much.
20:41 hoodedice !up globeminner.com 30000
20:41 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30000 is up (585ms)
20:41 hoodedice weird
20:42 hoodedice They're shutting it down when I connect lol
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20:42 PilzAdam hoodedice, maybe its the mapblock loading that contains the sign
20:43 EvergreenTree I just noticed this post on the forums:
20:43 CWz also: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=134259#p134259
20:43 hoodedice Dude, check this out lol https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=134259#p134259
20:43 EvergreenTree https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=134259#p134259
20:43 hoodedice Wow, triple ninjas
20:43 EvergreenTree lol
20:43 EvergreenTree legit or not?
20:43 hoodedice not legit
20:44 PilzAdam Jordach, check the IP
20:44 CWz is there a need to be worried
20:44 hoodedice A. We griefed, not hacked - therefore we are safe
20:44 hoodedice Griefing is not defined.
20:44 hoodedice B. They Violated the LGPL, causing US losses in customers
20:44 hoodedice With a complete copy of our game
20:44 PilzAdam he still has to provide the sourcecode
20:45 hoodedice Indeed. ^
20:45 PilzAdam has someone bought it to check if you get the code then?
20:45 EvergreenTree it would be a waste of money
20:45 hoodedice Indeed.
20:46 EvergreenTree "Hacking"
20:46 EvergreenTree That was not hacking
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20:46 EvergreenTree it effected nothing except minetestserver
20:46 rubenwardy lol
20:46 MinetestBot rubenwardy: 03-22 20:25 UTC <w_laenger> I think += works with c++
20:47 EvergreenTree It's also their fault for using a version of minetest which has that bug
20:47 EvergreenTree :P
20:49 hoodedice Guys: http://pastebin.com/ZaLAgvFu
20:49 hoodedice Need to add more to that
20:49 rubenwardy How sure are we that they modified the Minetest source code?
20:50 EvergreenTree they probably violated the licenses of the mods they used as well
20:50 EvergreenTree *some of
20:50 EvergreenTree If we can join with a minetest client, it is minetest
20:50 * EvergreenTree checks the licenses of the mods he saw used
20:50 rubenwardy I will be super pissed if they ripped off one of my mods.
20:51 PenguinDad or of the texture packs they used
20:51 EvergreenTree Yep, they violated the lgpl license of mesecons
20:51 EvergreenTree and I believe that is the dokucraft pack
20:51 hoodedice It IS Minetest
20:51 hoodedice lol guys
20:52 hoodedice Is this ok: http://pastebin.com/bD2XqTaD
20:52 rubenwardy awesome https://www.youtube.com/user/Vihart
20:53 rubenwardy +1
20:53 EvergreenTree lol,  "slander of the globeminner name needs to stop as well."
20:53 rubenwardy not sure about the last comment
20:53 EvergreenTree You have to be kidding me
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20:54 EvergreenTree look at what globeminner posted
20:55 hoodedice I'm on it
20:56 EvergreenTree Where on earth did they get "globemiNNer" from?
20:56 EvergreenTree At first, i tried to spell the IP globeminer
20:56 EvergreenTree :P
20:56 hoodedice Meh, I'm actually scared bout them pulling a lawsuit
20:57 EvergreenTree I am too
20:57 rubenwardy no
20:57 hoodedice Just because it would give celeron some additional headaches
20:57 hoodedice It is easily winnable, but teh headaches
20:57 EvergreenTree yeah
20:57 rubenwardy I would contribute to law expenses
20:57 EvergreenTree it's just a pain
20:57 hoodedice We could get the GPL in on this too
20:58 rubenwardy fuck sake
20:58 EvergreenTree What I would say to whoever create globeminner:  "Does it really matter?"
20:58 rubenwardy they use my capture the flag game
20:58 EvergreenTree this is just going too far
20:58 PilzAdam hoodedice, the copyright notice on the website only applies to the website
20:59 hoodedice But the implication?
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21:00 EvergreenTree Nowhere on their website has anything to do with minetest
21:00 hoodedice What is the minetest icon licensed under?
21:01 EvergreenTree not so much as a link
21:01 hoodedice The game uses the MT icon
21:01 sfan5 hoodedice: CC-BY-SA IIRC
21:01 EvergreenTree and 14$ for that?
21:01 EvergreenTree never
21:01 hoodedice Cool. They also violated CC-By-SA
21:01 rubenwardy Has anyone got a zip of the game?>
21:01 rubenwardy I want to check that my capture the flag game has not been violated
21:01 EvergreenTree Also, the skin on their home page is someone else's IIRC
21:02 sfan5 rubenwardy: they also violated NekoGloop's copyright
21:02 rubenwardy which one?
21:02 sfan5 the used his(/her) avatar in some picture on their site
21:02 EvergreenTree They violated Mesecon's license too
21:02 rubenwardy Build a list of the violations
21:02 EvergreenTree They also used some textures from VE's HD pack
21:02 hoodedice I have a picture of the folder structure
21:03 EvergreenTree and dokucraft
21:03 hoodedice Go to the buy link, click on documentation
21:03 hoodedice See the Troubleshooting pdf
21:03 sfan5 rubenwardy: http://www.globeminner.com/​images/globeminnerppl2.jpg vs. https://forum.minetest.net/img/avatars/2600.png
21:03 rubenwardy I see
21:05 rubenwardy lol
21:05 EvergreenTree It's just a conglomeration of textures from everywhere
21:05 rubenwardy they can't even rip it off correctly
21:05 rubenwardy "minetest.exe"
21:05 EvergreenTree ^
21:05 PenguinDad sfan5: john_minetest's copyright got violated too https://forum.minetest.net/img/avatars/3464.png
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21:05 john_minetest Where?
21:05 EvergreenTree Let's make a list of violations somewhere
21:06 john_minetest Oh, wait a second.
21:06 EvergreenTree john_minetest: on globeminner.com
21:06 * CheapSeth did'nt know they were griefers on minetest
21:06 sfan5 PenguinDad: and the various tools they have there, violated minetest_game license (CC-BY-SA)
21:06 john_minetest That texture was released under WTFPL in Zeg9's skins mod iirc.
21:06 john_minetest Most of those, if not all, come from the skins mod.
21:08 EvergreenTree hm, they took textures from minetest_game for the banner
21:08 EvergreenTree those IIRC are cc-by-sa
21:08 hoodedice CheapSeth: Everyone became a griever
21:08 hoodedice =P
21:09 EvergreenTree I'll join one of their servers again with a different more normal alias and see what stuff they have installed
21:10 john_minetest What is the best server atm?
21:10 john_minetest VE-MVMGS?
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21:10 hoodedice EvergreenTree: I'm already doing it, lol
21:12 sfan5 PenguinDad: the first player at the bottom (from the left) is from this texture pack's 0.3.1 version: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=402p2
21:13 CheapSeth Is there any way to enable per player creative mode?
21:13 sfan5 PenguinDad: well not really.. but google finds it, Gambit removed it IIRC
21:13 sfan5 Gambit: not you :)
21:14 PenguinDad CheapSeth: you can do that with unified inventory's creative priv
21:14 CheapSeth hoodedice: Yes, i was too innocent for this cruel worl of lava and flames D:
21:15 CheapSeth PenguinDad: Thank you! I'm going to look at it
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21:15 hoodedice CheapSeth: What?
21:16 hoodedice oh okay
21:16 hoodedice lol
21:25 Eater4 Hi
21:26 * rubenwardy feels stupid after he accidentally plugged a microphone into a headset jack...
21:26 rubenwardy (and then wondered why it wouldn't work)
21:26 sfan5 >We prefer you do not post our server list, no permission has been give for this.
21:26 sfan5 guys guys
21:26 sfan5 I have a good idea
21:27 sfan5 they don't want us to post the globeminner.com servers on the server list, how about we do that to annoy  them :>
21:27 hoodedice rofllmao
21:30 PenguinDad firefox just crashed when refreshing that page
21:31 sfan5 :) :) :)
21:32 sfan5 the assert(false) bug is present in 0.4.6 https://github.com/minetest/minetest​/blob/0.4.6/src/connection.cpp#L1436
21:33 hoodedice so?
21:33 sfan5 hoodedice: send \x4F\x45\x74\x03\x00\x00\x00\x03\xFF\xDC\x03 , server crashes
21:35 PenguinDad !up globeminner.com
21:35 MinetestBot globeminner.com:30000 is up (565ms)
21:36 hoodedice To?
21:36 hoodedice Via text?
21:36 EvergreenTree send to what?
21:37 hoodedice in chat?
21:37 sfan5 hoodedice: via raw socket
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21:38 hoodedice *cough* Simple English please
21:38 hoodedice Hi Amaz
21:38 hoodedice What were you doing on the Globeminner servers?
21:38 sfan5 hoodedice: open an udp socket to globeminner.com 30000 and send that
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21:39 hoodedice sfan5: That looks serious shit - not doing that, sorry
21:39 hoodedice greifing was bad enough
21:39 EvergreenTree We don't want to do anything that is actuallly hacking
21:39 EvergreenTree *ll
21:39 EvergreenTree Whoever created globeminner has no idea what they are doing
21:40 EvergreenTree I'd be interested to see who it is
21:40 sfan5 I don't think that is considered hacking
21:40 CheapSeth Sorry, what is globeminner? It looks like a bad, proprietary fork?
21:40 CheapSeth -?
21:40 sfan5 CheapSeth: http://globeminner.com
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21:40 rubenwardy or www.globeminner.com
21:41 EvergreenTree sfan5: we just don't want to push it
21:41 EvergreenTree maybe we can have that guy come on irc
21:41 domtron I don't know hacking is basically exploiting bugs to do serious harm to a digital infrastructure.
21:41 hoodedice Nah, not on IRC
21:41 hoodedice Indeed domtron
21:42 EvergreenTree domtron: yep
21:42 sfan5 EvergreenTree: exploiting the sign bug is exactly the same as what I said
21:42 rubenwardy Remember that anything you say here, he can read.
21:42 hoodedice AFAIK there needs to be some losses in excess of $5000 to be considered a hack
21:42 john_minetest rubenwardy: Give that thing a bad rating on WOT
21:42 EvergreenTree we did not do serious harm to a digital infrastructure
21:42 sfan5 it exploits a bug in the software to dos a service
21:42 rubenwardy WOT is awesome
21:42 hoodedice sfan5: We did it once, enough
21:43 EvergreenTree what we did only affected minetestserver
21:43 EvergreenTree we don't want to do it again
21:43 hoodedice Do we want a crappy lawsuit?
21:43 EvergreenTree I kind of regret doing it in the first place
21:43 hoodedice Sent the message across
21:43 hoodedice Made him come over and talk
21:43 rubenwardy I don't think he will lawsuit
21:43 CheapSeth How surprising! A bad, proprietary fork (with an ugly website that could seem legit for my grandmother).
21:44 EvergreenTree CheapSeth: ikr?
21:44 EvergreenTree terrible design
21:44 domtron I belive there is some open source organization that helps FOSS projects with OS copyright infringement.
21:44 EvergreenTree we had this problem with an illegal port for android
21:45 CheapSeth EvergreenTree: indeed. He must be a designer from Apple or something.
21:45 hoodedice "an illegal port"?
21:45 EvergreenTree wrong terminology
21:45 hoodedice Buddy, there are TONS of illegal ports of MT (read: 5 or so)
21:45 EvergreenTree I know
21:45 CheapSeth Minetest should be GPLv3
21:45 EvergreenTree *illegal ports
21:45 EvergreenTree CheapSeth: It should
21:45 EvergreenTree GPLv3 is better for protection against this kind of thing
21:46 EvergreenTree all my mods will switch to it
21:46 rubenwardy https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/globeminner.co​m?utm_source=addon&amp;utm_content=rw-viewsc#view
21:46 domtron Does the minetest engine license allow for commercial usage?
21:46 rubenwardy http://www.globeminner.com/ is a much better time
21:47 rubenwardy domtron: yes, but not w/o releasing modified code
21:47 EvergreenTree what should I rate it on WOT?
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21:47 domtron ya just saw your post.
21:47 rubenwardy Scam, illegal
21:48 CheapSeth Why can't we send an email to the free software foundation?
21:48 domtron how do I agree with a post? Does it require a login?
21:49 rubenwardy probably
21:49 rubenwardy also, subscribe to my youtube! https://www.youtube.com/user/AjayWard
21:49 rubenwardy XD
21:50 hoodedice Switch to GPLv3 I agree
21:50 hoodedice Let's bug Celeron about it
21:50 domtron CheapSeth: we can but we should at least contact him first. He may take it down with just the threat of legal action.
21:51 rubenwardy He may genuinely believe he is not doing anything wrong
21:51 CheapSeth Indeed
21:52 EvergreenTree rubenwardy: that is possible
21:52 EvergreenTree rubenwardy: do you use linux?
21:52 EvergreenTree or windows?
21:52 sfan5 wait.. wut
21:52 sfan5 ilovepetras.com, globeminner.com are both hosted from a comcast IP
21:52 sfan5 that comcast IP was also used to register the globeminner forum account
21:52 rubenwardy I am on Windows now, as I am doing college coursework
21:52 EvergreenTree ah
21:53 rubenwardy I use ubuntu for c++ development, and other things. Windows for games and college stuff.
21:53 EvergreenTree I was going to suggest you use simplescreenrecorder instead of bandicam, but it only works on linux
21:53 rubenwardy I don't use bandicam on linux. I can't remember what I use :P
21:53 rubenwardy Thank you though, I will check it out
21:54 sfan5 lololol
21:54 EvergreenTree My videos on youtube use it
21:54 EvergreenTree (sameless self advertisement)
21:54 EvergreenTree back on topic
21:54 EvergreenTree :P
21:54 sfan5 comcast internet aup says you may not offer commercial services over their connection
21:55 sfan5 and this is exactly what they do by hosting ilovepetras.com on their comcast connection
21:55 sfan5 good night now
21:55 EvergreenTree good night
21:55 domtron I agreed with rubenwardy post but I can't seem to rate it or post a message myself.
21:56 domtron rubenwardy's post *
21:56 domtron good night
21:56 domtron ah the rate button worked that time.
21:56 CheapSeth good night
21:57 hoodedice *cough* https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/globeminner.co​m?utm_source=addon&amp;utm_content=rw-viewsc#view
21:57 domtron should we rate trustworthiness down and child safety neutral?
21:57 hoodedice sfan5: I'm not even surprised
21:58 hoodedice Well, it IS child safe lol
21:58 rubenwardy "Minetest is free, and always will be."
21:58 rubenwardy ^ facebook
21:58 hoodedice Oh lol
21:58 hoodedice Didn't see that
21:58 hoodedice That actually came from FlightGear I think
21:59 john_minetest Flightgear had a similar problem
22:00 hoodedice I wanted the ste devs to put up a similar statement LOOOONG back
22:00 john_minetest Somebody sold it as another game.
22:00 EvergreenTree It's hard to believe that a father would actually buy that game for his kid
22:01 john_minetest Those negative reviews have actually bought the game. The positive haven't.
22:01 hoodedice My heart literally broke when I read the comments on Amazon
22:01 CheapSeth Wait, did people actually buy globeminner?
22:01 hoodedice Yes
22:01 EvergreenTree Yes
22:01 hoodedice They thought it was MC
22:01 EvergreenTree +10  people
22:01 hoodedice Fuck: https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=134301#p134301
22:01 hoodedice FUCK
22:01 hoodedice Andthen again, F***
22:02 EvergreenTree the people who rate this 5 stars are idiots
22:02 arsdragonfly1 18:03:13: ERROR[ServerThread]: Got packet command: 50 for peer id 74 but client isn't active yet. Dropping packet
22:02 rubenwardy I commented on that amazon review
22:02 hoodedice Did anyone read what I posted?
22:02 john_minetest Contact the seller. Contact amazon.
22:02 hoodedice This is it - we need a LICENSE CHANGE!
22:03 arsdragonfly1 ^ keep getting this on my server .any clues ?
22:03 EvergreenTree good reply rubenwardy
22:04 EvergreenTree I can't believe that people are getting scammed from our work
22:04 EvergreenTree :(
22:06 EvergreenTree *sigh*
22:06 john_minetest Can some representative of minetest write an E-mail to amazon and/or the vendor?
22:06 specing or send DMCAs!
22:06 specing *to comcast
22:06 EvergreenTree lol
22:06 hoodedice Hello, What about onpon4's message?
22:06 specing I heard the US is really bitchy about copyright being infringed
22:06 specing three strikes, remember?
22:08 Jordach well that was fucking enjoyable as all shit
22:08 EvergreenTree Jordach: look at the logs for while you were gone
22:08 Jordach 5* for South Park: Stick of Truth
22:08 hoodedice Jordach YOU MISSED A LOT
22:08 Jordach hoodedice, tl;dr not giving a fuck
22:08 EvergreenTree Read the chat logs for today Jordach
22:08 Jordach bedtimes
22:09 hoodedice JORDACH!
22:09 hoodedice dammit
22:09 hoodedice lol
22:09 EvergreenTree NOOOO
22:09 hoodedice We'll send a DMCAs to Amazon and Ebay
22:09 hoodedice And a notice to comcast
22:09 hoodedice =D
22:09 hoodedice rubenwardy:
22:09 hoodedice You're good at throwing together a letter
22:09 rubenwardy Yay!
22:10 hoodedice Put it on Google Docs - First the comcast letter
22:10 hoodedice Let's do it people
22:10 EvergreenTree gogogo
22:10 EvergreenTree also, this gives me an idea
22:10 EvergreenTree it would be interesting to actually make a subgame for minetest which turns it into an actual game
22:10 EvergreenTree not an engine
22:11 rubenwardy https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mEPPTy7xro28​VzQQx3rz9N-UajgnU6yruPxbScAMR7k/edit?usp=sharing
22:11 PenguinDad how would you do that?
22:11 CheapSeth The main probles is that it's difficult to make complete games out of a minecnaft-friendly voxel engine
22:11 CheapSeth *problem
22:13 john_minetest I got an idea. When we put up a campaign for minetest, we could make it so popular that it can't be easily stolen.
22:13 EvergreenTree it being popular could be a problem though
22:14 john_minetest It isn't easy. It brings new problems.
22:14 john_minetest But I think that it will be less annoying than all those forks.
22:14 CheapSeth Not so easy. We need friends from Youtube, an active community everywhere in the world (for example in France there is no serious community website)
22:14 CheapSeth
22:14 domtron of course most people will probably look at us and say... are't they infringing on minecraft. And walk away with general disgust :(
22:15 john_minetest Let's set it up!
22:15 john_minetest There are so many minecraft-like games. "infringing on minecraft" isn't an excuse anymore.
22:16 CheapSeth (If minetest is infringing on minecraft, minecraft is infringing on Infiniminer and Dwarf Fortress…
22:16 CheapSeth )
22:18 arsdragonfly1 Imho onpon4 may be right. Back to the old days when RMS sold tape copies of Emacs to make a living
22:18 arsdragonfly1 Btw why does my server keep dropping packets?
22:19 EvergreenTree yes, onpon4 is right about that
22:20 john_minetest Nope.
22:21 john_minetest There is no copyright on voxel sandbox games.
22:21 john_minetest No patent or stuff.
22:21 EvergreenTree john_minetest: of course
22:21 john_minetest I mean, that minetest doesn't infringe minecraft and minecraft doesn't infringe infiniminer.
22:22 EvergreenTree I know that
22:22 rubenwardy Just wondering, what is the point of the letter?
22:22 john_minetest EvergreenTree: It was an answer to CheapSeth
22:22 EvergreenTree oh
22:22 john_minetest rubenwardy: I thought, DMCA takedown?
22:23 rubenwardy I thought that too. It seems they are writing about ecommerce on a hosting service that does not like ecommerce
22:23 john_minetest Well, if there is a ToS infringement, it will take the website down.
22:24 john_minetest But I think that writing to amazon is much more important.
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22:24 john_minetest DMCA takedown.
22:24 john_minetest rubenwardy: URL for "Letter to amazon"?
22:25 rubenwardy https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mEPPTy7xro28​VzQQx3rz9N-UajgnU6yruPxbScAMR7k/edit?usp=sharing
22:25 rubenwardy oh
22:25 rubenwardy https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wSp6Mfk0b3Rb​yn7fMTsdBV_Qjh_CPQ1rm2eGB94CFAk/edit?usp=sharing
22:26 domtron bye, all hope you get something sorted out.
22:27 CheapSeth Are the lua files of mods downloaded by the client?
22:27 CheapSeth (I''m trying to connect to globeminner with the minetest client)
22:28 rubenwardy no
22:28 PenguinDad The client does not download any Lua files
22:28 CheapSeth \o/
22:29 CheapSeth (I know it's a stupid question, but in doubt… ^^)
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22:31 arsdragonfly1 http://paste.ubuntu.com/7138208/
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22:31 arsdragonfly1 ^need help
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22:32 CheapSeth Ok, the server's spawn is full of "Be awesome, use minetest" signs :D
22:32 PenguinDad which port?
22:33 hoodedice 30004,  I guess
22:33 john_minetest It seems that I can't connect
22:33 CheapSeth 30000
22:33 arsdragonfly1 Port is 16000
22:34 arsdragonfly1 I mean ,mine
22:34 john_minetest Putting signs up is childish.
22:34 john_minetest We should behave like adults instead of griefing and spamming.
22:35 NakedFury griefers usually are players without creative ability
22:35 CheapSeth Someone didn't understood it
22:35 NakedFury when they see a creative player they have strong compulsion to destroy and damage what they do
22:39 john_minetest Also: Is there really a GPL violation?
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22:39 john_minetest Did they modify the code?
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22:40 CheapSeth john_minetest: Likely not, but keep in mind that they make money with FOSS
22:40 john_minetest Read the GPL.
22:41 john_minetest It states that you are allowed to make money with FOSS.
22:41 CheapSeth Yes
22:41 CheapSeth But it's not ethical to sell the other's work
22:41 CheapSeth Even if he is allowed
22:42 CheapSeth It's unethical
22:42 hoodedice LGPL 2.1
22:42 hoodedice You have to release source code. Period
22:42 john_minetest Is minetest LGPL?
22:42 hoodedice Yes
22:42 EvergreenTree yes
22:42 hoodedice Good Morning
22:42 * hoodedice gives coffee to john_minetest
22:43 PenguinDad Freeminer is GPL
22:43 EvergreenTree be back sometime later
22:43 hoodedice cya
22:44 rubenwardy bye
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22:45 john_minetest Especially 3a) seems to be in effect then.
22:46 john_minetest And 3b)
22:46 hoodedice bah
22:46 john_minetest And maybe 4. That license is not very clear.
22:46 hoodedice Bookmarking for work later
22:46 john_minetest bye
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22:47 hoodedice !tell sfan5 Can you read throught this jargon and tell mewhere does comcast explicitly state that ecommerce is not allowed on a home network? http://www.comcast.com/policies
22:47 MinetestBot hoodedice: I'll pass that on when sfan5 is around
22:47 hoodedice <3 MinetestBot
22:47 MinetestBot <3 hoodedice
22:49 hoodedice !tell sfan5 Nevermind, I found it
22:49 MinetestBot hoodedice: I'll pass that on when sfan5 is around
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22:59 rubenwardy ViHart is awesome
22:59 rubenwardy anywars, I gtg
22:59 rubenwardy *ways
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23:08 EvergreenTree back
23:09 EvergreenTree did I miss anything
23:10 PenguinDad You didn't miss much
23:10 EvergreenTree mkay
23:11 EvergreenTree hm, interesing
23:11 EvergreenTree https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=134306#p134306
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