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00:44 us`0gb Um. This guy scares me: <http://i.imgur.com/pCWwMGl.png>.
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00:53 EvergreenTree "Nothing is better than anything, everything is better than anything"
00:53 EvergreenTree - Mindblow
00:53 EvergreenTree :P
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03:35 khonkhortisan I upgraded my computer from 2GB to 8GB RAM and it still can't handle the 512px HDX texture pack :P
03:38 BrandonReese how much ram does your video card have?
03:47 khonkhortisan 2GB
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04:20 khonkhortisan I just realized I know of three brandons.
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05:33 us`0gb I can't even handle shaders any more. I'm not even going to try graphics packs.
05:36 us`0gb Is there a known legal Android version of Minetest?
05:56 VanessaE us`0gb:  http://animalsmod.comuf.com/​downloads/Minetest-debug.apk
05:56 VanessaE sapier's build
05:56 us`0gb Thanks VanessaE!
05:56 VanessaE it's very experimental and incomplete but it even runs on MY low-end tablet
05:57 us`0gb I don't have a mobile device yet, but I'm thinking about getting one.
05:57 us`0gb It would be nice to be able to take Minetest with me if I do.
05:57 VanessaE texture packs require very little resources.  any machine can run a texture pack as long as you don't go apeshit with the resolution.
06:00 us`0gb VanessaE: Does the copy of GloopBlocks you use still allow the creation of cats and rainbows?
06:00 VanessaE (now HDX-512....well that requires a pretty hefty system.  I can't even run it at full blast anymore)
06:00 VanessaE us`0gb: yeah if you can find enough mithril :P
06:00 VanessaE (in other words, don't count on it)
06:00 VanessaE https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4019
06:02 VanessaE they're so expensive and so hard to make, that you'd probably find a naturally-occurring one first.
06:03 us`0gb Okay, cool. If they still used the old easy recipe, I wasn't even going to bother trying to get cats. They were kind of worthless that way.
06:03 VanessaE oh hell no
06:04 VanessaE "* Nyan cats/rainbows can be crafted as well, but are extremely expensive by design.  In any positions in the crafting grid, place one of the above rainbow blocks along with one each of default diamond, steel, copper, bronze, gold, and Mese blocks, and one each of silver and Mithril blocks from the Moreores mod.   Yields exactly one Nyan cat rainbow."
06:04 VanessaE nine of those makes one nyan cat (head)
06:04 VanessaE (the "above" rainbow block is a cheap decorative block made with dyes, stone, and a mese crystal, but is not a nyan cat rainbow)
06:04 us`0gb Yeah, I saw that. I can live with that. They still have value at that cost.
06:19 sfan5 meow
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10:39 krupnovpavel Hello is all!
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12:09 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
12:14 sfan5 hi everyone
12:17 LazyJ G'mornin' ;)
12:22 sfan5 morning?
12:22 sfan5 it's 1:22 PM
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12:37 Exio4 [09:22:43] <sfan5> it's 1:22 PM
12:37 Exio4 9:22AM
12:38 LazyJ 05:35 here. ;)
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12:55 BorisGrishenko YELLOW?
12:56 sfan5 ORANGE
12:56 BorisGrishenko Damn, responds take alot of time here
12:56 BorisGrishenko I want to ask
12:56 BorisGrishenko who deleted my 2nd fanfic?
13:01 sfan5 name?
13:01 BorisGrishenko Ladies and Their Incentives
13:01 BorisGrishenko the very weird one.
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13:03 sfan5 dunno who did that
13:04 BorisGrishenko I was wonderin' if it was Calinou, Vanessa or PilzAdam
13:04 BorisGrishenko In fact, Jordach kept a copy
13:05 sfan5 well
13:05 sfan5 most topics are not deleted but moved to an invisible trash subforum
13:06 BorisGrishenko Is that only accessible to Mods?
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13:08 sfan5 yes
13:08 PilzAdam BorisGrishenko, wat
13:09 BorisGrishenko Look, when it comes to fanfics, I happen to be very "imaginative"
13:09 BorisGrishenko I blame Bearbar
13:09 PilzAdam why do you blame me? ;-;
13:10 BorisGrishenko You seem to be the most active mods around. And I'm just poitin' yopu out as a suspect
13:10 BorisGrishenko BTW, can I post it back? I already finished the other 2 parts
13:11 PilzAdam wat
13:12 BorisGrishenko When I posted it 5 mins was the time it was taken out.
13:12 BorisGrishenko I planned to be remembered as the forum memebr who made the most weirdest fanfic ever.
13:12 BorisGrishenko That is my goal. Then I'll go on to maps again.
13:12 PilzAdam I am not a moderator
13:13 BorisGrishenko Oh, then I retract my last statement
13:20 iqualfragile BorisGrishenko: wat? minetest fanfic?
13:27 BorisGrishenko An erotic kind
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13:36 iqualfragile why would you do that?
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13:51 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix game pause in singleplayer e4d1970abf 2014-03-13T14:06:18+01:00 http://git.io/qGMHuQ
13:51 MinetestBot GIT: BlockMen commited to minetest/minetest: Fix special characters in pause and message menu 03297acbf4 2014-03-13T14:00:10+01:00 http://git.io/ie-Kuw
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14:37 Exio4 wtf
14:41 iqualfragile Exio4: what wtf?
14:44 * sfan5 flips Exio4
14:47 Exio4 the "erotic fanfic"
14:48 sfan5 I don't get that either
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16:06 * Jordach is on 4K render attempt 3
16:06 * sfan5 gives Jordach a kitten
16:06 Jordach meow ;3
16:12 specing And thus Jordach became a kitten
16:13 sfan5 wrong
16:13 sfan5 I'm already kitten
16:15 Jordach plz sthap wih da pingz
16:16 * sfan5 flips Jordach
16:16 Jordach sfan5, i can't do shit when blender makes all the cores belong to it
16:17 * sfan5 imagines a kawaii blender hugging cpu cores
16:18 Exio4 Jordach: tf
16:18 Exio4 the system works "nicely" here
16:19 Exio4 it isn't light-fast but works without noticeable input lag
16:19 Jordach Exio4, combine it with a slow Javascript in Firefox
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16:19 Exio4 i also use firefox
16:19 Exio4 what was your cpu?
16:20 Jordach AMD A10-6800K
16:21 Exio4 hm
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16:24 webshinra (the cpu should not cause lag with a correct scheduler)
16:25 sfan5 diff(Exio4.pc, Jordach.pc) -> Linux vs. Windows
16:25 sfan5 here is the problem
16:26 webshinra :p
16:27 Exio4 oh
16:27 Exio4 thought he was using linux... hmm
16:28 Exio4 anyway, my debian only "lags" when it is REALLY heavy loaded
16:28 Exio4 like
16:29 sfan5 Exio4: you mean like doing sqrt(-1)
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16:31 Exio4 sqrt(-1) = i
16:31 Exio4 you don't need a computer for that
16:31 webshinra hum nop
16:32 webshinra sqrt is not defined one x < 0 :p
16:32 webshinra e
16:32 webshinra -e
16:34 Exio4 it is defined in the complex plane
16:34 Exio4 you never specified
16:34 Exio4 if you're using only natural numbers, you don't have the square root of 2, either
16:37 webshinra in fact,  sqrt(-1) = i is a convention.
16:37 webshinra sqrt(-x) should be written i×sqrt(x)
16:38 sfan5 Exio4: what is 'i'?
16:39 webshinra the number like : i² = -1
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16:49 * Jordach wonders why audio drivers never have a preamp
16:50 iqualfragile Exio4: realy heavy loaded like any io load at all
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16:56 twoelk Hi, does anybody know how to set general paths in minetest.conf to point to a folder outside of the minetest installation folders?
16:57 twoelk something like "../../commonMinetestFiles/textures/"
16:58 sfan5 twoelk: try using the absolute patch
16:58 sfan5 path*
16:59 twoelk nope
16:59 twoelk not for textures or favoriteservers
17:00 Jordach twoelk, windows users have to ..\..\commonMinetestFiles\textures\"
17:00 twoelk actually the texturepath option seems to only point to a specific texture. It blanks the path if I point to a general folder
17:01 twoelk ../../Screenshots/ is the only one that works
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17:15 twoelk "serverlist_file = ../client/serverlist/favoriteservers.txt" or "serverlist_file = ..\client\serverlist\favoriteservers.txt" that should point to the default file both don't work
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17:23 harrison what do you call a pacifist hindu butler?
17:23 harrison mahatma coat
17:23 Jordach racist fag
17:33 harrison no ur
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17:49 sfan5 !deop Jordach
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17:49 rubenwardy Hi all!
17:49 * sfan5 flips rubenwardy
17:50 * Jordach flips sfan5
17:50 krupnovpavel Who wants innovations in minetest?
17:50 * sfan5 gives Jordach a kitten
17:50 rubenwardy ʎpɹɐʍuǝqnɹ
17:50 rubenwardy ^ can anyone see that correctly?
17:50 * Jordach can
17:50 VanessaE your name upside down
17:50 VanessaE krupnovpavel: everyone does
17:51 VanessaE but, define "innovations"
17:51 sfan5 meow
17:51 sfan5
17:51 PenguinDad your name rotated 180°
17:51 PenguinDad hey sfan5
17:51 sfan5
17:52 rubenwardy https://duckduckgo.com/?q=flip+rubenwardy
17:52 rubenwardy ^ that is how I did it
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17:53 krupnovpavel I did a little bit of the new
17:54 PenguinDad rubenwardy, ǝƃopʇsoɥƃ + pɐpuınƃuǝd
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17:57 ShadowNinja It works backward too!  :-)
18:00 sfan5 ♫ ほかのだにもきこなせない ♫
18:00 sfan5 ♫♫
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18:06 Jordach >finished rendering >finished colour control in GIMP >png weighs in at  8.23mb
18:06 Jordach O_O
18:07 sfan5 meow meow meow meow meow meow
18:07 sfan5 meow
18:07 sfan5 meow meow
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18:09 webshinra Jordach: much random noise?
18:09 Jordach webshinra, nope
18:15 rubenwardy VanessaE: Innovation is using an invention in a buisness or project.
18:15 rubenwardy according to the business definition
18:17 VanessaE rubenwardy: sure, but in the Minetest works, "innovation" sometimes means "ideas imported from other sandbox games" e.g. Minecraft.
18:18 VanessaE hence my request
18:18 * VanessaE pokes krupnovpavel
18:19 VanessaE s/works/world/
18:25 krupnovpavel I will soon post on access my project :)
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18:34 rubenwardy sfan5: "Mite no other dress"?
18:38 * VanessaE senses another "please code X for me" post coming.
18:39 VanessaE (whatever, I haven't read the forums in several days)
18:42 rubenwardy rubenwardy> VanessaE: is there an api listing for pipeworks? Or a file that contains all the functions?
18:42 rubenwardy <rubenwardy> I want to recieve water from a pipe, and allow "steam" (a custom item) to flow through pipes.
18:42 rubenwardy <Shadow_Ninja> rubenwardy: No, and there may be a rewrite in progress...
18:42 rubenwardy ^ conversation yesturday :P
18:42 Jordach yesterday*
18:42 rubenwardy no, the day before actually
18:42 VanessaE there isn't any real listing of the API calls as far as I know.  nore wrote most of that so he'll know for sure
18:42 Jordach two days ago*
18:43 VanessaE the tube stuff is stable
18:43 VanessaE it's the fluid pipes that are due for a rewrite
18:43 rubenwardy VanessaE: the pipes don't really have a solid API, it is a tangled mess
18:43 VanessaE rubenwardy: take a look at the new_flow_logic branch (or whatever the name was)
18:44 VanessaE it's much cleaner than the current pipe code
18:44 VanessaE as for the item transport, I won't touch that code, that's nore's domain
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18:48 sfan5 rubenwardy: what did you use to try translating that?
18:49 ShadowNinja We've been working on switching the forum to phpBB. xyz has a test forum set up at phpbb.minetest.net.  Are there any comments on this switch? If there are no serious issues we plan to switch to it soon.
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18:51 keesj I am using ubuntu and the ppa for minetest (installed minetestc55 0.4.9) combined with the wordedit mod (git checkout $ current)
18:51 keesj is /reset supposed to clear the area?
18:51 sfan5 yes
18:52 VanessaE //reset just turns off the markers
18:52 Jordach keesj, //reset is the command
18:52 VanessaE and turns off the coordinates
18:52 keesj //reset theat is ? I managed to do a set region to some other stones using the gui but can't remove stuff
18:52 VanessaE //set air
18:52 VanessaE if you want to erase a region
18:52 keesj Thanks!
18:52 sfan5 well hmm
18:52 sfan5 'clear' always depends on your definiton
18:53 VanessaE so //p set (or //pos1 and //pos2) to extablish your box,   //set air  to erase its contents
18:53 VanessaE establish*
18:53 VanessaE //reset to turn the box off
18:54 keesj the documentation in Chat Command.md states "Resets the region so that it is empty"
18:54 keesj but indeed I did not see much happening
18:54 keesj hence the question
18:54 VanessaE yeah, that needs to be tweaked a little I guess
18:54 VanessaE the "region" refers in this case to the selection itself, not its contents.
18:55 VanessaE it should read "Removes the markers and the selection box, leaving its contents untouched."
18:56 keesj //set air works
18:57 VanessaE important note:
18:57 VanessaE sometimes, doing a //set air will cause the area to get really dark.
18:57 VanessaE even black
18:57 sfan5 keesj: just FYI in your IRC client // likely makes you say /
18:57 Jordach VanessaE, remember that time when i did that worldedit and we got sunlight underground?
18:57 VanessaE if that happens,   //replace air <any other block you know is nowhere nearby>   and then  //replace <that block> air     (say,   //replace air mese   followed immediately by  //replace mese air )
18:57 VanessaE Jordach: yep
18:58 Jordach VanessaE, my UC in Minetest has that too
18:58 sfan5 UC?
18:58 VanessaE Jordach: an artifact of the tall ceiling probably
18:58 VanessaE Underground City
18:58 sfan5 ah
18:59 keesj VanessaE: I will try to remeber . I don't really night anything fancy (still using this for 3d printing)
19:00 VanessaE keesj: oh ok.  well the light won't affect that, but if it happens it can make things hard to navigate
19:01 keesj yes, I guess I will try to better undetstand how to do that once I have the problem. worldedit is alreay a huge improvement. Last time we (me and my kids) spent like a few hours placing 15000 blocks
19:01 keesj (and of course first creating a flat surface)
19:02 keesj I did not know about //time 12000 and //set time_someting  0
19:03 sfan5 it's /time and /set
19:03 sfan5 basically // for worldedit commands and / for other commands
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19:03 sfan5 I chose that when making worldedit to make a clear distinction between commands
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19:41 matibln Hi
19:41 EvergreenTree Hello
19:49 VanessaE hi
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19:52 harrison memehopper
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20:14 ShadowNinja 111 Users!  :-)
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20:57 BlockMen bye
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21:01 artur99 hi
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21:31 MinetestBot GIT: ShadowNinja commited to minetest/minetest: Use fixed-width format specifiers in serializeStructToString 875f1327a4 2014-03-13T17:30:15-04:00 http://git.io/s5neBQ
21:32 ShadowNinja iqualfragile: ^ That should fix your issue.
21:32 iqualfragile yay
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21:43 jsnmtth Hi guys, can you reccomend a mod that adds mobs to the development version of minetest?  I'm looking for something that demonstrates the capabilities and performance over something that is "fun and exciting".
21:44 proller lua mobs and performance in one string? ahahaha
21:47 jsnmtth proller: Yeah,  I'm not the "Creative Mode" kind of player.
21:48 proller all mobs is laggy, stupid, slow, unballanced
21:50 jsnmtth proller: Yeah I know ... I'm interested in exploring solutions for that.
21:50 proller make good c++ mobs core
21:50 proller with lua api for defining mobs
21:50 jsnmtth proller: Is anyone working on that?
21:51 proller no
21:51 jsnmtth proller: Does the core team have an idea of how that would it handled?
21:52 proller nobody intrested
21:54 jsnmtth Ok cool ...  I'm interested. I didn't want to duplicate work or step on someone's toes.
21:57 VanessaE client-side lua :P
21:57 VanessaE "stupid", "slow", and "unbalanced" wouldn't change by doing that, though
21:57 VanessaE the REAL problem is laggy
21:58 VanessaE er, being laggy.
21:58 VanessaE that would change if you could implement some client-side mob code of some kind, but how?  what?  I have no idea.
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21:58 VanessaE you ask a dozen modders (who have experience making mobs) and you'll get 20 different lists of requirements.
21:58 jsnmtth VanessaE: Is there an example of the stupid, slow, and laggy mobs I could play with?
21:59 VanessaE jsnmtth: try MOBF but rig your machine so that your server instance is badly lagged
22:00 VanessaE (by, say, sharply throttling the network connection to it, or building any kind of in-game machine that'll cause it to use a lot of CPU, e.g. some Technic or Mesecons construction)
22:00 VanessaE you will find that mobs generally won't respond quickly to in-game events such as you approaching/walking away, punches/kill events, etc. when the lag gets bad enough
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22:01 VanessaE Simple Mobs will also experience this, to a lesser degree
22:01 jsnmtth VanessaE: I suppose that gets more challengeing when one is trying to syncronize mob behavior in the multiplayer environment.
22:01 VanessaE you will also find, in any case, that mobs will use a significant amount of network bandwidth, due to movement details being sent I guess
22:02 VanessaE jsnmtth: indeed so, but if network or CPU lag on the server is bad enough (say, enough to cause a couple of seconds' delay in responses), even a single player is too much.
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22:03 jsnmtth VanessaE: That certainly is a challenge to overcome.
22:04 jsnmtth If the server is too lagged out there is nothing to be done except handle it on the client.
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22:05 VanessaE yep
22:05 jsnmtth perhaps buffer the communications and only require strict server/client communicaitons when it is absolutely necessary in a multiplayer situation, and then only in specific areas.
22:07 jsnmtth Same thing for AI.
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22:08 jsnmtth Keep the complex AI in a small local area, operating on a small group of mobs, and possibly doing some of the AI calcs on them as a group.
22:10 jsnmtth Thanks guys for taking the time to discuss this with me.   I really appreciate it.
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22:14 VanessaE well, good luck :)
22:15 paramat anyone else getting itchy for a release? spring equinox is coming up, 0.4.9 was broken, i like the idea of (flexible) solstice/equinox releases
22:16 VanessaE interesting idea
22:16 VanessaE depends on what sapier has to say
22:16 iqualfragile is it possible to make minetest listen on ipv6&4?
22:17 VanessaE no clue :P
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22:25 paramat solstice/equinox releases line up conveniently with a xmas/new year release. if we go by a satisfying 2^n division of the year i would consider 4 per year as a minimum
22:26 * paramat is a little bit pagan
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22:27 sapier http://animalsmod.comuf.com/​downloads/Minetest-debug.apk Alpha version of upcoming minetest android port ... almost featurecomplete, only modstore support is missing
22:28 sapier please test and write your opinion
22:32 * VanessaE pokes sapier on paramat's behalf
22:32 sapier for what reason? ;-)
22:33 VanessaE [03-13 18:15] <paramat> anyone else getting itchy for a release? spring equinox is coming up, 0.4.9 was broken, i like the idea of (flexible) solstice/equinox releases
22:33 VanessaE [03-13 18:25] <paramat> solstice/equinox releases line up conveniently with a xmas/new year release. if we go by a satisfying 2^n division of the year i would consider 4 per year as a minimum
22:33 VanessaE you're kinda the hold-up on that, sapier :)
22:34 sapier As Android port is now usable and you can point users to it on compatibility break I think a release isn't a problem
22:35 VanessaE have we established if it'll work on Kindle?
22:37 VanessaE (people kept asking me about that)
22:37 sapier I don't know if you did that I wont by one to test it ;-) and I already had to deny a request to do macos porting without having macos some days ago. I'm sorry for this but without test environment porting is waste of time
22:37 VanessaE well idk about iOS builds, but Kindle I guess is Android...
22:38 VanessaE but I'm unclear just how "standard" the device is.
22:38 VanessaE (or how to sideload apps into it)
22:38 sapier kindle is even more castrated android is, I don't expect it to work without issues
22:40 jsnmtth sapier: Are there docs for getting it running on Android?
22:41 jsnmtth sapier: nm ... I see your link, and need more sleep.
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22:42 sapier docs? ;-) jsnmtth it's a full port, the latest code isn't uploaded yet ... hope to get it online this weekend. The link is bleeding edge. I usually release early and often to get to a "stable" state more quick ... at least that's what I hope ;-)
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22:43 jsnmtth I'll play with it on my phone and report issues.
22:43 sapier ok, don't expect it to be complete ;-) menu still lacks some features. But report everything you find so it wont be forgotten
22:44 jsnmtth ok, is there a git repository or branch for it?
22:45 sapier it's in my fork by now android_1 branch but as I said it's not latest, what's uploaded there still lacks sound support
22:45 sapier and curl build is messed up (always comiles curl even if it's not required to rebuild)
22:47 jsnmtth It immediately crashed "Motorola Photon 4G, android 2.2.3".  My device has decided not to connect via USB to a PC anymore so I can't get the log messages.  I'll try on another device this weekend, where do you want issues reported to?
22:47 sapier 2.2.3?
22:48 jsnmtth yes
22:48 sapier are you sure this device is even capable of running 3d apps? ;-)
22:48 jsnmtth no , 2.3.5
22:48 jsnmtth yes it has a Tegra 2 in it and 1GB of ram.
22:48 jsnmtth DDR2
22:48 sapier ok that should be enough
22:49 sapier the logs would be interesting ;-)
22:49 sapier can you get them by some app?
22:49 jsnmtth I bet I could write one.
22:49 sapier logcat for example? didn't work on my device but may be worth a try
22:50 sapier tegra is armv7 too isn't it?
22:50 jsnmtth My device will not recodnise a USB device plugged into a PC.  It stopped all my android development and caused problems for me tethering on the road.
22:50 jsnmtth I have a faster device that has no speaker at home.
22:50 jsnmtth I'll test on that.
22:51 jsnmtth ARM Cortex-A9
22:52 sapier ok I see no hardware reason why this shouldn't work ... ok 2.3 is quite outdated but as we're using ogles1 only this shouldn't be a problem too
22:52 sapier as I said the logs would be interesting
22:52 jsnmtth I'll write an app that emails me log entries this weekend, then I'll get you the specific issues.
22:53 jsnmtth well ... provided the androd API will let me access log entries from an app.
22:53 sapier thanks :-)
22:54 sapier well there's a Minetest folder in /sdcard
22:54 sapier there's a log too but as it crashes that early I assume there's not much information in it
22:55 sapier if there isn't a Minetest folder we know it crashes prior preparing it's media
22:56 PilzAdam wat https://forum.minetest.net/vie​wtopic.php?pid=132984#p132984
22:56 sapier what's this?
22:57 sapier inventory editor for whatß
22:59 jsnmtth There is a minetest folder with a debug.txt file in it.
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23:01 sapier minetest or Minetest?
23:01 jsnmtth Minetest
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23:12 jsnmtth sapier: http://pastebin.com/MJEwUBSS
23:14 sapier I'll have a look at it tomorrow thanks
23:15 jsnmtth Has anyone built a server instance that runs on a raspberry pi?  I'm sure I could lag the hell out of it on there.
23:16 sapier there's even a raspberry pi server in serverlist ;-)
23:17 jsnmtth :-D
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23:30 Exio4 *yawn*
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23:58 Beryl Is there a way to get the server list in something like JSON or XML?

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