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00:19 Pentium44 hi
00:19 Pentium44 who knows cpp here?
00:19 PilzAdam Pentium44, have you read the rules of this channel yet?
00:20 PilzAdam simply ask your question
00:20 Pentium44 ohh
00:20 Pentium44 I did
00:20 Pentium44 who knows cpp here?
00:20 Pentium44 thats a question
00:20 Pentium44 and it does relate to minetest so meh
00:21 PilzAdam and its not just that you can ask him another question?
00:21 PilzAdam ehm, my English sucks
00:21 Pentium44 its ok
00:21 Pentium44 PilzAdam, can I as you? you know cpp if you are developing minetest
00:21 PilzAdam usually when people come here and ask "who knows *****" then they have _real_ question and just search for someone to answer it
00:22 Pentium44 PilzAdam, good point
00:22 Pentium44 I do
00:26 Evergreen Ehm....
00:38 mpdavis73 well, found the source of my problem - opengl - going through ubuntu troubleshooting guide for opengl now
00:38 Peacock would you rather go bald, or have one of these haircuts? http://cheezburger.com/7706568960#comments
00:39 mpdavis73 bald by choice now, so...lol
00:39 Peacock hehe dont worry, was a general question for anyone lol
00:39 Peacock honestly, 60's hair was better lol
00:40 Peacock with haircuts like those, im not surprised ww3 almost happened in the 80's, someone had to stop these hairdos lol
00:43 Peacock funnier: http://cheezburger.com/7707060224
00:46 mpdavis73 heh - i had a feathered mullet in HS
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01:26 MinetestBot GIT: PilzAdam commited to minetest/minetest: Add replacements to schematics 45589fae58 2013-08-02T18:22:14-07:00 http://git.io/fX_4Bw
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01:29 sokomine i setteled for writing a temporary file. that seems to work fine. for now, hmmmm may relax a bit :-)
01:30 Peacock jesus, 4th pot of coffee, only the tupperware left to wash lol
01:30 Dogzilla131 Can somebody recommend a server that has shop as a mod?(no creative world)
01:30 Peacock landrush i think
01:30 Peacock they mentioned something about a mall in the thread
01:34 Peacock pulseaudio does network sound, unfortunately the rig with the sound system is hda-intel :/ (Pyrrhic victory?)
01:34 Peacock pa on that box sounds like a gofer stuck in a lawnmower :(
01:36 PilzAdam has anyone ever tried fixing a corrupted git repo? its a PITA
01:37 Peacock hell i cant get past setting one up :P
01:40 PilzAdam I am still missing an object, its not referenced anywhere, though
01:40 PilzAdam so, if someone ever gets a git object called "82f541a1d0dfd53d8daf8d993c4cfd1b14b8dd" then be sure to pass it to me :-)
01:42 PilzAdam sokomine, are you happy now?
01:48 PilzAdam bye
01:51 Peacock deer lord, only the salt shakers left to wash now :-)
01:52 Peacock https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/3130154337/9520907e47ad668402fa266864d7fd7b.jpeg
02:01 mpdavis73 i wonder if my dual monitors is too much for my onboard intel graphic
02:01 Peacock probably
02:01 Peacock how old?
02:01 Peacock (the board)
02:01 mpdavis73 i915, Asus board
02:01 mpdavis73 less than a year
02:02 Peacock hm, mauybe not
02:02 Peacock as long as its not sluggish playing youtubes/videos
02:02 mpdavis73 i had issues with marble arena, but not fps
02:02 mpdavis73 walls were blinking
02:03 Peacock could be a driver/opengl thing tho
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02:03 Peacock i know i wouldn't plug two monitors into my p4, but thats got seven years under its belt lol
02:03 mpdavis73 using intel driver - will nuvoux run opengl?
02:03 mpdavis73 nuveaux?
02:04 Peacock nouveaux's the open driver or the cosed one?
02:04 mpdavis73 open
02:04 Peacock eek
02:04 Peacock try the closed
02:04 mpdavis73 i'm on the proprietary now
02:04 Peacock any beter?
02:04 mpdavis73 not sure, i'm generally not a gamer
02:05 mpdavis73 works great with solitaire
02:05 mpdavis73 i forget why i switched
02:05 mpdavis73 maybe for marble arena
02:06 Peacock i got ATI on the newer box and nvidia on the older
02:06 mpdavis73 i get ~60fps, then when i pause (esc) for a while, sometimes fps drops to <10
02:07 mpdavis73 i had a lag, but that was fixed when i moved the .minetest folder to my ssd
02:07 Peacock for the life of me i cant remember the names of either prop. driver :/
02:07 mpdavis73 from my zfs mirror pool
02:07 Peacock my fps on the newer rig is around 40-50 w/ ATI
02:08 Peacock the p4 gets about the same asa client, but not running a server too
02:08 mpdavis73 i hit solid 59-60 most of the time, with vsync on
02:08 Peacock if i look at the sky i get 60 XD
02:08 mpdavis73 then, bam, 5-15
02:08 mpdavis73 lol
02:09 Peacock when i get 15-16 players its around 13 lol
02:09 mpdavis73 just me most of the time - relaxes my brain from work
02:09 mpdavis73 i'm leveling a mountain right now
02:10 ShadowNinja //pos1 //pos2 //set air :-)
02:11 mpdavis73 er? total noob to minecraft/minetest
02:11 mpdavis73 heard a mention on linux action show
02:11 mpdavis73 need to read up on it
02:12 mpdavis73 working on a switch to arch, testing in vbox for my zfs and citrix for work
02:15 mpdavis73 for fps, since a logout/login resolves, its gotta be some opengl cacheing or similar
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02:21 mpdavis73 seems to be only when i switch to another app for a while
02:22 mpdavis73 bbl - backup server down at work from the emails i am getting
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03:14 bas080 who wouldn't want to make nodeboxes from within minetest. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_1109915477.png , It has save function which saves the node so when you restart the world it loads the newly made nodes. You can set the amount of detail of your nodebox. I'm calling this polymer mod as plastics are very shape-able. Choosing what material it is and giving it a name instead of item ##
03:14 bas080 could be future features
03:21 bas080 if you would want to test it you can find it here https://github.com/bas080/OCD/tree/master/mods/nodeboxer. Wil make a topic and seperate repo soon
03:21 Exio4 is OCD the new drug that is used as LSD replacement? or what?
03:21 Exio4 :>
03:22 bas080 Exio4, it is a great alternative
03:23 Exio4 lol..
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03:24 bas080 ;)
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03:47 * VanessaE is back
03:47 VanessaE just bowled a perfect game on the Wii :D
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06:11 kaeza greetings
06:11 kaeza also: WTF https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103514#p103514
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07:53 VanessaE jeez, more dead here than usual tonight.
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08:16 kaeza 'murica is still sleeping
08:16 kaeza the majority at least, not counting us weirdos :P
08:18 kaeza and probably Europe too
08:18 kaeza looks like MY has more people from Germany than from anywhere else :P
08:18 kaeza MT*
08:20 PenguinDad kaeza I think you are right in this point
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08:29 VanessaE heh
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10:10 PilzAdam Hello everyone!
10:12 Calinou_ hi
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10:15 VanessaE hey PilzAdam
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10:21 PilzAdam VanessaE, when I last tested HDX I noticed that the view-range autotuner was slower
10:21 PilzAdam could you check if its faster with default textures for you, too?
10:21 VanessaE PilzAdam: you should re-download that HDX zip btw, it has been improved.
10:21 VanessaE sure
10:24 VanessaE PilzAdam: it's definitely a lot faster with default textures
10:24 VanessaE though still slow (about 3 seconds for a 1m increase in range)
10:25 * IceCraft hi
10:25 VanessaE hi
10:25 Calinou hi
10:27 VanessaE call it 2-3 seconds per meter with default, and 10+ seconds per meter with HDX (but there's no logical reason for the difference)
10:27 VanessaE imho it should ramp up/down at no less than 16m/sec regardless of your current fps or the texture size
10:31 VanessaE well it could reduce the adjustment speed as it gets close, but currently it's just too slow either close to or far from the target fps
10:50 VanessaE bbl
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11:02 PenguinDad hi Evergreen
11:02 Evergreen Hello
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11:31 iqualfragile_ PilzAdam: i am using default textures and its still fucking slow
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11:38 PenguinDad hi Jordach and kaeza
11:54 Evergreen Hey everyone, I found a nice media converter called FF Multi Converter.   It can convert audio, video, images, and more using various command line programs.    It also outputs the command used to convert the file.
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11:58 Jordach Evergreen, you using some distro?
11:58 Evergreen I am suing ubuntu
11:59 PenguinDad *using
11:59 Calinou lol suing
12:00 PenguinDad Evergreen: you can convert media using VLC too.
12:00 * Jordach uses VLC to convert )
12:00 Evergreen Iklol at the typo, also ik that you cna use vlc
12:00 Jordach :)*
12:01 Evergreen Whoops, I mean lol at the typo
12:01 Evergreen Stupid typos.  :P
12:01 Evergreen So basically it is a gui shell for a bunch of command line programs
12:02 Evergreen *I think it is at leat
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12:09 Jordach Evergreen, i just made a xbox 360 controller using blender (in voxel style) :P
12:09 Evergreen Awesome.  :P
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12:16 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/u85dbsJ.png
12:18 Jordach Evergreen, ^
12:18 Evergreen Great!
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12:34 PenguinDad https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103558#p103558 <- wut?
12:34 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/u85dbsJ.png
12:35 Jordach ^ wrong image
12:35 Jordach http://i.imgur.com/SGjpSFb.png <- correct
12:35 Jordach ^ Evergreen
12:35 Calinou lol france
12:35 Evergreen Awesome
12:35 ShadowNinja lol, but /me has a better jail mod. :-)
12:36 Jordach does it feature dungeons
12:36 Jordach ;)
12:37 PenguinDad ShadowNinja: i don't mean the mod itself i mean the idea
12:37 Jordach anyways, im fucking out for the weekend; laptop wifi is broken so i'm not going to be here
12:37 Jordach :(
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12:48 ShadowNinja PenguinDad: Yes, I know.
13:01 PenguinDad !sfu Shadow
13:01 MinetestBot PenguinDad: No Results found
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13:27 Peacock dangit, broke the shower head mount :(
13:27 Peacock plastic crap
13:28 ShadowNinja sfan5: Seems sfu broke.
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13:38 PenguinDad !g Burnings Video
13:38 MinetestBot PenguinDad: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/dvd-video-burning-frequently-asked-questions
13:41 Calinou lol
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13:55 PenguinDad Calinou: i haven't searched for this :\
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14:32 sfan5 ShadowNinja: I already know
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14:45 john_minetest Hello everypony!
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14:45 init still in ecuador? :P
14:45 PenguinDad Hello john_minetest
14:46 john_minetest yeah, just returned from a trip to galapagos, now back in ecuador mainland.
14:47 john_minetest And hi PenguinDad.
14:47 kaeza oh john_minetest is in the hood?
14:47 john_minetest In da hood :D
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15:08 iqualfragile_ hi
15:09 PenguinDad NekoGloop: the treasure chests from your glooptest are funny :)
15:09 NekoGloop oh, someone actually uses glooptest?
15:10 PenguinDad yep
15:12 NekoGloop how are they funny?
15:13 PenguinDad You can play without trees
15:13 NekoGloop mhm
15:16 * john_minetest puts a kitten on NekoGloop's head
15:17 john_minetest I also use glooptest on Zeg9's pre-release secret Zegaton2 server.
15:17 john_minetest The chests are nice.
15:17 PilzAdam he releases servers?
15:18 john_minetest Zeg9 plans to start Zegaton II as soon as OldCoder is ready to host a server with the newest minetest and mod versions.
15:18 NekoGloop apparently
15:18 OldCoder
15:18 OldCoder john_minetest, That is fine
15:18 john_minetest hi OldCoder.
15:19 OldCoder There are two issues for me. I must get UDP working on my new server. This is the issue there. The host has set up a new network and hopes to debug it. Can't go back to old server because the new one is DAMN FAST.
15:19 OldCoder And I need LevelDB in the core.
15:19 john_minetest The minetest server map is still built up by Zeg9 and me so it takes some time.
15:19 OldCoder Can't go back to old format either.
15:20 john_minetest Yeah, no problem, OldCoder. We give you as much time as you need.
15:20 john_minetest We are just building up the map and it is going slowly. So no hurry.
15:21 OldCoder
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15:50 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix and improve view range tuner c50c9a10f1 2013-08-03T08:46:18-07:00 http://git.io/VYp0cQ
15:59 pitriss please can anybody help me? I want to disable "item dropping" in technic game... Is enough to move item drop outside mods directory? or is there any cleaner solution?
16:01 PilzAdam pitriss, enable_item_drop =false in minetest.conf
16:01 PilzAdam technic checks for that
16:04 pitriss PilzAdam: Thank you very much..
16:04 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Lessen the sky color glitch when quickly turning to look up after looking at ground that contains caves bc5db9b027 2013-08-03T09:04:16-07:00 http://git.io/3ZDjpg
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16:19 sfan5 !up c55.me
16:20 MinetestBot c55.me:30000 seems to be down
16:29 Peacock Peacock.make({coffee=true})
16:29 Peacock who wants a cupper?
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16:34 jin_xi placing too many schematics at once can crash the server
16:38 jin_xi ^^ disregard that
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16:41 ShadowNinja PilzAdam: Actually it checks technic.conf in the world directory. Unless it has been changed.
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16:50 Peacock huh, mugabe won, im flabbergasted lol
16:55 Calinou https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/852 nice :D
16:55 Peacock indeedies
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16:56 PilzAdam ShadowNinja, oh, you are right
17:04 Pentium44 I like the current hacky scripts :P
17:08 john_minetest Hmmm...
17:09 john_minetest How will the texture pack selection be like then?
17:09 john_minetest Currently textures are in <game>/textures/<texturename>.png
17:09 john_minetest So where will they be stored then?
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17:11 ShadowNinja john_minetest: Currently they are in textures/all/<textureName> That changes it to textures/<TPName>/<textureName>
17:12 john_minetest Oh, okay. So there won't be textures in the mod directories anymore?
17:12 john_minetest Or did I miss textures being ?
17:12 john_minetest *moved
17:23 ShadowNinja john_minetest: No, mods will still have textures if you don't have a texture pack enabled.
17:24 john_minetest Oh, ok, so texture packs just override the images from the games but show the original ones if there is no image there?
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18:21 Evergreen Hi everyone
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18:24 BlockMen hi
18:25 Evergreen I love all your pull requests blockmen, they are very useful.   Just wanted to say that.  :P
18:25 BlockMen Evergreen, thanks! Nice to hear :)
18:32 PilzAdam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?pid=103612#p103612 seems legit
18:33 Peacock lol google translate
18:37 Evergreen x)
18:37 Evergreen It shows how wrong google translate is sometimes
18:37 PilzAdam *always
18:37 Evergreen Let me try putting a sentance through several translations and see how it comes out
18:38 Evergreen This should be funny
18:38 PilzAdam 10 bucks is something about apple pie
18:38 PilzAdam *its
18:39 Evergreen Okay, the following sentence will be the one I will put through several translations:
18:39 Evergreen Hello, how are you today?   I'm fine,  you?  Very good, thank you.
18:41 Peacock "qué carajo la tarta de manzana"
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18:41 Peacock something about apple pie ;) :p
18:42 init wat
18:42 Peacock translated backwards it makes no sense lol
18:43 Evergreen Okay, final result.
18:43 Evergreen Hey, how are you? M stars, right? Very good, thank you.
18:43 Evergreen Lol
18:50 VanessaE Peacock: it's "cupper?" I always thought it was "cuppa" (as in "cup of")?
18:50 Peacock possibly :P ive heard it but not seen it written
18:50 VanessaE hi all.
18:51 sokomine hi
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18:53 bas080 is it possible to load a new node in game? And if so, why not?
18:54 bas080 in-game*
18:54 Peacock i asked that a long time ago and the answer was no :p
18:55 bas080 I wonder if such a thing will be possible ever. My polymer mod can really use it.
18:56 Peacock you can try your luck on -dev :p
18:56 VanessaE bas080: there's a commit celeron55 and RBA were working on some time ago that lets you re-define a node in the map
18:56 VanessaE (you could change textures, the model, everything about it)
18:57 bas080 VanessaE, it would be great being able to manipulate nodes in game.
18:57 Peacock is it still in the pipeline?
18:57 VanessaE Peacock: not really, no
18:58 sfan5 bas080: minetest.register_node works in-game, clients have to rejoin to actually see the node however
18:58 sfan5 IIRC
18:58 VanessaE no one has seen fit to really wring that code out to see if it will behave properly in the long-term
18:58 PilzAdam sfan5, never heard of that
18:58 PilzAdam AFAIK it ignores it a prints a warning
18:59 sfan5 well it could work
18:59 sfan5 (if it wouldn't ignore it)
18:59 bas080 i get warnings too
18:59 Peacock it would be nice to change textures, we wouldn't need so many duplicate (and more) nodes
18:59 bas080 atm  i have an in game nodebox designer but i have to restart before it loads the saved node. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/419967/Screenshots/screenshot_1166757675.png
18:59 sfan5 5
18:59 sfan5 oops
19:00 Peacock right now you can fake it with entities
19:00 kaeza 42
19:00 Peacock scale 0.667 i think
19:00 PilzAdam Peacock, textures only are not enough
19:00 Peacock i know :P but all i asked for then was textures
19:01 sokomine it would be great if we could change textures ingame. for maps, that would involve sending the generated map to the client
19:01 sokomine oh. peacock said that already
19:01 sokomine ought to read before i write :-)
19:01 Peacock tho theyre going up one or two protocols for weather so i doubt this would be in 0.4.8
19:03 Peacock speaking of, im waiting for 0.4.8 to switch my server to crunchbang lol though i may end up doing it tonight and settling on 0.4.7 in the meantime
19:03 bas080 will nodeboxes be supported in the future?
19:03 bas080 The lua_api.txt states
19:03 bas080 "nodebox -- See below. EXPERIMENTAL"
19:03 Peacock well if you can change a node's properties i imagine it applies to all nodes
19:04 Peacock including changing the actual nodebox box
19:04 Calinou they aren't that experimental
19:04 Calinou that note was left in
19:04 Peacock sound like jimmy two-times (goodfellas) lol
19:04 bas080 EXPERIMENTAL, is it not past experimental stage?
19:04 Calinou it is
19:04 bas080 Calinou, got it
19:05 bas080 Is improving lighting of nodeboxes on the todo list?
19:05 Peacock smooth lighting?
19:05 bas080 Peacock, f.e.
19:06 Peacock f.e.?
19:06 Calinou yes, no smooth lighting on nodeboxes :(
19:06 bas080 There must be other ways of improving rendering.
19:06 Calinou there is
19:06 Calinou make tons of shaders :P
19:06 Calinou and high res textures
19:06 Peacock lord... lol
19:09 Peacock "Harmful levels of second-hand smoke found on Montreal patios", one problem, patios tend to be jam-packed while the inside is empty lol
19:10 Peacock (they want to ban smoking on patios now)
19:10 sokomine banning smoking is good
19:10 VanessaE good!
19:10 Peacock the more of these ridiculous measures they pass, the more people will do it out of spite
19:10 bas080 i agree, but is it also better for smokers?
19:10 Calinou smoking bans are usually respected in france
19:10 sokomine it helped many people here to get rid of it after prices rose and rose and rose. i know several people who gave up due to that
19:10 VanessaE smoking should be banned entirely - it kills the smoker and it doesn't do any good for his neighbors' health either
19:11 Peacock why dont they ban alcohol and junk foods while theyre at it
19:11 Calinou sokomine: people get rid of it when the price increase is sudden.
19:11 Calinou it happened once in france, but recently the price increases are small. they prefer getting money on the short term...
19:11 sokomine perhaps. there where several tax-induced price rises
19:11 VanessaE Peacock: because drinking and eating only affect the person consuming said items?
19:11 sokomine most likely, yes....big portion of tax income
19:11 VanessaE (except in the case of drunk driving maybe)
19:11 bas080 Banning stuff doesn't work. Allow it and just don't advertise it to little children
19:12 Calinou VanessaE: for drinking, not if the drunk person drives :P
19:12 Calinou and you're in car with them :P
19:12 bas080 afk
19:12 Peacock drinking = drunk drivers, over-eating = health problems (socialized health here, costing me too)
19:12 VanessaE Calinou: ninja'd :)
19:12 bas080 Let robot's drive cars not humans
19:12 bas080 Problem solved.
19:12 bas080 afk 4 real
19:12 sokomine more crashes?
19:12 Peacock they wanna tax cigarettes thats fine, but tax all unhealthy things
19:12 VanessaE Peacock: consuming junk food != overeating
19:12 VanessaE drinking != drunk driving
19:13 VanessaE some of us are a little bit smarter than that :P
19:13 Peacock obesity is a bigger problem in america than smoking is now
19:13 VanessaE yep
19:13 Peacock people can drink themselves into health problems, lethal fights, etc.
19:14 Peacock then theres car exhaust, and all those people driving alone in a car made for 4
19:14 VanessaE it comes from a combination of foods that are explicitly made to be addictive (which tends to make them quantifiably unhealthy at the same time), eating to excess because of large portions, and lack of adequate exercise, until your body develops a metabolic insufficiency that requires surgery to correct.
19:15 Peacock thats a good enough reason to tax unhealthy food, make it more expensive so people can't afford to eat their way to obesity
19:15 VanessaE tax the shit out of foods that are loaded down with salt, sugar, high fructose corn syrup, etc.
19:15 VanessaE in other words, tax the shit out of the unhealthy ingredients, not the whole foods
19:15 BlockMen another wallpaper of me https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/n420q3wgiq8zfmm/mt_wallpaper_stone_mesepick.png :)
19:15 Peacock alcohol is already taxed pretty much the same as cigarettes here though
19:16 Calinou looks good, BlockMen
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19:16 Peacock though they still wanna ban one while controlling the distribution of both
19:16 BlockMen Calinou, thx
19:16 Evergreen Very nice, BlockMen
19:17 Peacock then theres drug money that goes to cartel/syndicates while everyone else pays for treatment, its all very contradictory policy lol
19:17 kaeza lol smoke ban
19:18 BlockMen Evergreen, thx too
19:18 john_minetest Minetest mod... lol, imagine [edudrugs] banning everybody who is taking drugs from that mod...
19:19 BlockMen has someone an idea what else i could take for wallpapers?
19:19 Evergreen I'll have to make some simplistic artwork background or something.   Btw, I love simplistic.
19:19 Calinou or talking about libboost, john_minetest
19:19 Evergreen I like some complicated things, but to much of it, and/or in the worng place makes it look cluttered
19:19 kaeza BlockMen, make the minetest logo in-game
19:20 kaeza (in 3D with actual nodes)
19:20 BlockMen Evergreen, yes. simplistic can be great if known how to use. unfortunatly im not always good in that^^
19:20 Calinou kaeza: Evergreen did that recently, for his faithful pack
19:20 kaeza oh?
19:20 Evergreen Actaully, zeg did that
19:20 Evergreen :P
19:20 BlockMen kaeza, do you think i can use your mod for that and then screenshot it?
19:20 kaeza link?
19:21 init nice WP BlockMen!
19:21 Evergreen It's ib the texture pack banner
19:21 Evergreen *in
19:21 kaeza BlockMen, I meant the landscape; not a bitmap rendition
19:21 john_minetest Noh, of course the laptop that I want to set up linux on... has no USB boot support :(
19:21 BlockMen thx init
19:21 Evergreen I actually want to try recreating it in minetest
19:21 Calinou john_minetest: insanely old laptop then, or a very bad one :P
19:22 BlockMen kaeza, oh.
19:22 BlockMen and yes, nice idea!
19:22 kaeza BlockMen, anyway, you could make a screenshot of an imported screenshot of an imported screenshot of an imported screenshot ...
19:22 Evergreen The island in this banner is the recreation that zeg did   http://mt-faithful.sourceforge.net/data/banner.png
19:22 BlockMen lol
19:22 Evergreen SCreenshot-ception
19:22 kaeza hah that's cool
19:23 VanessaE Evergreen: oh I like that
19:23 BlockMen Evergreen, you built ingame or changed the logo with gimp?
19:23 john_minetest Calinou: Yeah, yet another insanely old computer... This time I can't chill with pxe because the second PC is on windows...
19:24 Evergreen Idk, zeg did it
19:24 john_minetest Setting up pxe server on windows... never done this before.
19:24 Evergreen I might try building it in minetest
19:24 kaeza seems legit
19:24 kaeza actually doable with the insanely low liquid_update setting :>
19:25 Calinou or fake water
19:29 BlockMen kaeza, lol
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19:34 Evergreen Or airlike nodes
19:35 Evergreen Which ofc exploits a bug of water not flowing through other airlike nodes
19:35 Calinou yep, maptools "clip" nodes
19:39 Evergreen Oh yes, I forgot about those
19:39 Evergreen :P
19:40 Evergreen Sometimes I forget how useful the maptools mod is for maps
19:40 Calinou yep
19:43 VanessaE PilzAdam: did you re-download that HDX zip?
19:44 PilzAdam no, why would I?
19:44 VanessaE because I pushed a few fixes that affects some default nodes and hence made it into that zip
19:44 VanessaE -s
19:45 PilzAdam I dont use it, just wanted to test bumpmaps with a 512px pack
19:45 VanessaE oh ok
19:45 PilzAdam (to be honest, HDX is horrible)
19:45 * VanessaE shrugs
19:46 VanessaE not everyone likes it
19:46 Calinou HDX looks horrible without filtering
19:46 VanessaE ironically, most of those fixes were bumpmaps :)
19:46 Calinou with filtering, it could use better colours on some textures :/
19:46 Calinou I think grass is too green, it's unrealistic
19:46 PilzAdam btw, I have noticed that bumpmaps dont follow the animation of the node, is that intendend?
19:46 PilzAdam *intentional
19:47 svuorela yay. I constructed a moreblocks:nothing \o/
19:47 VanessaE PilzAdam: no, that's a bug in the bumpmapping code
19:47 VanessaE RBA knows about it
19:47 VanessaE a fix should be coming soon
19:47 sokomine i liked some of the images from hdx. perhaps mixing them or just taking some would be a good solution
19:47 VanessaE Calinou: the grass is natural color, maybe you just never saw grass that green before :P)
19:47 VanessaE :P
19:48 sokomine someone also suggested to use simplistic textures for common nodes and more complex ones for rare ones. that might be a good idea as well
19:48 VanessaE bas080 has a texture pack that does that
19:48 sokomine might have been him, yes. i wouldn't go to that extreme of only one color
19:48 Calinou could be a tiny bit less saturated
19:49 Evergreen Just a quick question:  What is your favorite font?   My favorite is arial, or ubuntu
19:50 Evergreen (and yes ubuntu is a font)
19:50 Calinou ubuntu looks pretty good, yeah
19:50 Calinou arial is a MS font
19:50 VanessaE Evergreen: mine is:  https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4436
19:50 VanessaE :)
19:50 Evergreen Lol, of course it is.  :P
19:51 Calinou I use freetype font, too bad it doesn't have an outline
19:52 Evergreen ACtually arial isn't my favorite font
19:52 Evergreen I'll have to find another, there are plenty of good fonts that don't have serifs
19:53 Calinou ubuntu :P
19:53 Evergreen Lol
19:53 PenguinDad Roboto :P
19:54 Evergreen Partly why I like the ubuntu font is because it is modern/simplistic, and I love modern/simplistic.
19:54 PilzAdam Evergreen, you have played Pilztest, right?
19:54 Evergreen Yop, it is pretty good
19:54 Evergreen Very good if you want a challenge
19:54 PilzAdam do you have any ideas what to do next?
19:58 Evergreen Hmm, it is lacking creative, and I would like it if there were more materials
19:58 Evergreen (creative as in creative mod)
19:58 Evergreen *mode
20:02 VanessaE Calinou: would you mind downloading https://raw.github.com/VanessaE/hdx-512/master/default_grass.jpg  make your changes, and post the result somewhere so I can see it?
20:03 Calinou you would also need to change side anyway :P
20:03 Calinou but not now, have to go soon
20:03 VanessaE that's okay, download that ^^^ and I can make the side change also.
20:03 VanessaE (one is derived from the other anyway)
20:04 VanessaE wish I could find a really nice, high-resolution photo of some nice clean grass, that isn't overcompressed to hell
20:05 VanessaE that ^^^ one was the best I could find and it's still not as high quality as I'd like :-/
20:15 PilzAdam Evergreen, you are not up-to-date, I already included the creative mode some time ago
20:17 Evergreen Ok, I was playing the first version you did
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20:29 kaurdump hello.  i have the dreaded "failed to emerge player" msg showing up on my minetest server for remote clients
20:29 kaurdump any ideas?
20:30 Calinou kaurdump: players timing out
20:30 kaurdump yep
20:30 Calinou it doesn't cause any problem, other than the player having to wait a bit to log in back
20:30 kaurdump well, i guess i'll try creating a new player and see what happens
20:31 PilzAdam kaurdump, probably a ghost client with the name is still logged in to the server
20:31 kaurdump failed to emerge player with a new user
20:31 PilzAdam just wait until it pings out
20:32 kaurdump so none of those
20:32 kaurdump i can log in fine within my own network
20:32 PilzAdam it should print to infostream what is happening
20:33 VanessaE PilzAdam: imho the server should be able to automatically disconnect a player if that player tries to sign on again from the same IP addrews
20:33 VanessaE address&
20:33 VanessaE ...
20:33 VanessaE that way you don't have to wait 30+ seconds to reconnect after a client crash
20:33 Calinou that should be opt-in, what if 2 people or more play on the same network on a public server?
20:34 Calinou (with NAT)
20:34 VanessaE Calinou: same user ID + same source IP = same person?
20:34 Calinou ah, right
20:34 Calinou you didn't say anything about user name :P
20:34 kaurdump but i'm not experiencing that issue
20:34 VanessaE I figured it was implied by "that player tries to sign on again"
20:34 VanessaE :P
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20:36 kaurdump 16:35:50: ERROR[ServerThread]: Server: peer_id=2: failed to emerge player 16:35:52: ERROR[ServerThread]: Server: peer_id=2: failed to emerge player 16:35:54: ERROR[ServerThread]: Server: peer_id=2: failed to emerge player 16:35:56: ERROR[ServerThread]: Server: peer_id=2: failed to emerge player 16:35:58: ERROR[ServerThread]: Server: peer_id=2: failed to emerge player 16:36:00: ERROR[ServerThread]: Server: peer_id=2: failed to emerg
20:36 VanessaE that's the server thinking the user in question is still signed on
20:36 VanessaE I get that a lot
20:36 artur99 hi
20:36 PilzAdam kaurdump, we need at least debug_log_level=3 AKA infostream
20:36 artur99 i have this error:
20:37 artur99 http://pastebin.com/iMGCvVdS
20:37 kaurdump oh ok
20:37 kaurdump vanessae, i don't think that's what it is, b/c that was a newly created user
20:37 PilzAdam artur99, why do you install morores in minetest_game?
20:37 PilzAdam thats not the way you install mods
20:38 artur99 i want to make a server
20:38 VanessaE indeed, don't put any mods in minetest_game/mods, put them in $MINETEST/mods instead
20:38 kaurdump odd
20:38 PilzAdam Calinou, ^ bug in moreores
20:38 Calinou that also works when you make a server, artur99
20:38 Calinou it runs fine for me
20:38 kaurdump o well, i'll go work on it somemore / start from scratch
20:39 proller PilzAdam, sapier, need for some winter monsters, spawning on ice or snow
20:39 kaurdump also, quick question.  how come some of my clients get red maps?
20:39 kaurdump where do i set log level 3? mintest.conf?
20:39 PilzAdam yes
20:39 Uberi turn off shaders kaurdump
20:39 kaurdump uberi is that in minetest.conf as well?
20:39 Uberi I had the exact same thing with my last laptop, everything was red
20:39 Uberi yep, enable_shaders = 0
20:40 PilzAdam artur99, also, you hae  a lot of dependencies not installed, fix that first
20:41 artur99 i reinstalled the mod, and it works now
20:41 artur99 how plants_lib must be renamed?
20:43 Uberi name it plants_lib
20:43 Uberi and if you are using windows, check out MODSTER if you're having trouble with installilng mods
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20:44 artur99 and technic-master must be renamed?
20:45 PilzAdam artur99, you can look that up in the forums
20:45 artur99 noting about renaming
20:46 PilzAdam you can see it the topic of the thread
20:48 VanessaE every one of my mods has install instructions in the first post, or at least I thought I made it clear :-/
20:50 kaeza it doesn't matter if you put a huge notice in red with a 200pt font, at the very top of the post; users don't bother to read anything
20:51 kaeza all they see are screenshots and the download link
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20:55 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Fix anticheat 742614180c 2013-08-03T13:16:37-07:00 http://git.io/swOoOg
20:56 sfan5 ^ what a weird commit URL
20:56 Uberi swoog wuz here
20:57 PilzAdam sw0o0g is the new swag
20:57 BlockMen and means what?
20:57 Uberi I'll get the gasoline and the rags
20:58 artur99 how to keep a messecones circuit opened for more time?
20:58 VanessaE opened?
20:59 Uberi artur99: //replace dirt tnt
21:01 VanessaE and it's spelled "mesecons"
21:01 kaeza Uberi, lol
21:01 VanessaE meany :)
21:02 PilzAdam VanessaE, maybe thats what google translator made out of mesecons??
21:02 PilzAdam -?
21:02 VanessaE heh
21:02 Uberi with the new WE, I can set the entire visible area to TNT in 2.6 seconds
21:02 PilzAdam define "entire visible area"
21:02 PilzAdam it might be only one node
21:03 kaeza zero if you are "inside" a node with no noclip
21:03 kaeza :P
21:03 Uberi well my view distance is set to 45 nodes I believe
21:03 Uberi so I forget the volume of a sphere calculation
21:04 Uberi but it's like 8*45^3
21:04 Uberi 729000 nodes for the bounding box of the view area
21:04 Exio4 why 8*?
21:05 PilzAdam you look 45 nodes deep into the ground?
21:05 Uberi PilzAdam: not necessarily in the ground! I do all my testing flying in the clouds
21:05 Uberi Exio4: because 45 is in one direction, you also have the other direction
21:05 PilzAdam if you stand on a flat area with 45 node view range you see
21:06 Uberi radius, not diameter
21:06 PilzAdam !c PI*45^2
21:06 MinetestBot 6 361.72512
21:06 VanessaE Uberi: volume of a sphere, 4/3(pi*r^2)
21:06 artur99 i have a solar pannel a wire and a battery box
21:06 artur99 the sun is shining
21:06 VanessaE er (4/3)(pi*r^2)
21:06 artur99 all are the same type low voltage
21:06 Uberi VanessaE: groovy
21:06 artur99 but they dont work
21:07 Uberi wait a minute I can just use //volume
21:07 VanessaE artur99: that's technic stuff, not mesecons
21:07 VanessaE and you need a switching station in the circuit also
21:07 artur99 yes, i know
21:07 artur99 i want to charge a laser
21:07 VanessaE solar array-->switching station-->batt box-->whatever you need to supply power to
21:08 VanessaE put the four side by side, run wiring underneath all
21:09 artur99 thanks
21:09 artur99 it works
21:11 VanessaE yw
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21:19 hmmmm uhh
21:19 hmmmm the volume of a sphere is (4/3)*(pi*r^3), not 2
21:21 Uberi maybe for _you_ it is
21:21 Uberi down here our spheres are flat, and we like it that way
21:21 Evergreen Spheres aren't flat, circles are.  :P
21:24 nalkri Well, spheres only follow that equation in flat spacetime...
21:24 nalkri As soon as you get non-euclidian geometry, these things can vary
21:24 VanessaE nalkri: I'm reasonably sure we're dealing with normal spacetime here ;)
21:25 nalkri VanessaE: normal spacetime isn't flat :p
21:25 nalkri What we're dealing with is textbook spacetime
21:25 VanessaE ok flat spacetime then, if you wanna be pedantic :)
21:26 nalkri I don't /want/ to be, it's just part of who I am
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21:33 VanessaE heh
21:37 nalkri I also mutter about ‘textbook string’ when people make assumptions
21:37 NekoGloop http://i.imgur.com/lYqheh0.png help meh
21:39 * sfan5 gives NekoGloop a kitten
21:40 * Uberi defeats Piloswine with a bucket of kittens
21:40 NekoGloop >God GARY
21:40 VanessaE Uberi: wait, that won't work...here, hang on
21:40 * VanessaE fiddles with the kitten generator a bit.  ok this wire here
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21:40 jin_xi this channel needs kitten triggered autoban
21:40 VanessaE that wire...yeah that oughta do.
21:40 VanessaE *click*  *bbbzzzzzz*
21:40 Uberi BLUE WIRE, BLUE WIRE!
21:41 VanessaE here, have a box of radioactive kittens.
21:41 Uberi that's something I never thought I'd hear
21:41 NekoGloop Ack, don't give them too much kalite!
21:41 * jin_xi devours the kittens and demands more
21:41 VanessaE NekoGloop: only just enough to make their eyes glow :)
21:41 jin_xi KITTEHS
21:41 Uberi but it has to be in a bucket, you see, the box just won't do
21:41 VanessaE (in broad daylight that is)
21:42 VanessaE Uberi: the generator makes them in larger batches, just scoop some up into your bucket and go for it :P
21:42 VanessaE (think map chunks vs. mapblocks)
21:42 * sfan5 puts a solar panel on the hill and connects it to the kitten generator
21:42 Uberi :O
21:43 Uberi infinite radioactive kittens...
21:43 Uberi .com
21:43 sfan5 s/com/kitten/
21:43 NekoGloop except, it doesn't run on technic's derplectricity
21:44 Uberi >This domain is available! Register now for $9.99/year
21:44 VanessaE lol
21:44 NekoGloop solar panels aren't even proper solar panels
21:45 Uberi well they're actually powered by gamma rays
21:46 kaeza suddenly: technic in PilzTest
21:46 kaeza wires damage players
21:46 PilzAdam suddenly: kaeza dissapears silently and never comes back
21:46 NekoGloop suddenly: Pilz decides to allow other people to influence minetest
21:46 * kaeza makes an 's' disappear
21:47 NekoGloop (seeing as we're listing things that won't happen)
21:47 sfan5 estimated cost of minetest: $ 1,420,125 | 26 years of effort ( https://www.ohloh.net/p/minetest-c55/estimated_cost )
21:48 kaeza wat
21:49 * sokomine turns off the light to avoid having too many kittens spawn
21:49 * sfan5 presses  the big red STOP button... it doesn't work
21:50 * NekoGloop sits on sfan5's head
21:50 kaeza http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
21:50 Uberi whaaaaaat
21:50 Uberi 1.4 mil
21:50 Menche "Missing Plug-in". well that is disappointing.
21:50 * sfan5 puts NekoGloop on the mesecon power wire
21:51 * NekoGloop lights up the wire
21:51 * Uberi modifies power wire to give Shock status effect
21:51 kaeza Menche, flash :>
21:51 Menche you need flash to play a short sound clip when someone presses a button?
21:51 Evergreen Lol, the discussions we have on IRC...
21:51 * NekoGloop there isn't status effects in MT
21:52 kaeza NekoGloop, nice idea you've got there
21:52 NekoGloop ?
21:53 kaeza nothing
21:53 MinetestBot GIT: celeron55 commited to minetest/minetest: Allow mods to listen to cheat detections using minetest.register_on_cheat() 8831669505 2013-08-03T14:45:49-07:00 http://git.io/uTnsNw
21:55 kaeza https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6151841
21:55 Uberi muahahaha
21:56 Uberi register_on_cheat is going spawn some hilarious mods
21:56 PilzAdam Uberi, sfan5 already made one
21:57 PilzAdam kaeza, somone came here multiple times and wanted to start a discussion that we switch to JS
21:57 PilzAdam it was lamefun IIRC
21:57 Uberi does it make the player's gravity very very slightly higher?
21:57 Uberi so they can just barely not climb up one node by jumping?
21:58 Uberi does it make wheat grow slower when planted by them?
21:58 Menche or confiscates all the valuable materials out of their inventory
21:58 Exio4 yes, it was lamefun PA
21:58 Uberi does it make leaves dug by them never drop saplings?
21:58 Menche or chats insults at them
21:58 Uberi no no, that's too obvious
21:58 Uberi it's gotta slowly start and get worse over time
21:59 Uberi first, nodes you place rarely get moved to one side randomly
21:59 Uberi then, your chest contents all mysteriously switch around
21:59 Exio4 lol
21:59 Uberi after a while, it slows down for a bit
22:00 Uberi this is to lull them into a false sense of security
22:00 Uberi because after an in-game day, suddenly they take damage from the sun
22:00 Uberi they are now vampires, creatures of the night
22:01 Exio4 hahaha
22:01 Uberi someone get on this mod immediately
22:01 Menche then eating food that normally heals players will hurt them
22:04 Evergreen Lol, that would be epic
22:04 Evergreen x)
22:05 Evergreen They better hope that the server has an inclosed spawn....
22:06 Evergreen Or it could just do the obvious and auto-ban them, but that isn't any fun
22:06 Uberi the spawn is protected and consists of a brightly lit platform
22:06 Uberi wait wait
22:06 Uberi I know
22:06 Evergreen I think making it so they can barely not jump a block high is a greati idea
22:07 Evergreen Alos be sure they can't shift jump either
22:07 Uberi when caught cheating, player models are replaced by simple mobs' sheep
22:07 Evergreen LOL
22:07 VanessaE lol
22:07 Uberi and they lose interact privs
22:07 VanessaE and everything they say gets scrambled in some way :)
22:07 Evergreen LOLWOW that would be so hilarious
22:07 Evergreen xD
22:07 PilzAdam Uberi, if they have hacked clients than increasing gravity wont have any effect on them
22:07 VanessaE (or just replaced by "baaa, baaa baaa baaa"
22:07 VanessaE )
22:08 Uberi aww
22:08 sfan5 the revoke interact thing is a good idea
22:08 Uberi but the sheep idea is sound
22:08 Evergreen Someone make this mod NAOW
22:08 Uberi they act exactly like sheep
22:08 Exio4 i think making a "on_cheat" call when breaking blocks without interact with 'VL' 0 is k, too?
22:08 Uberi but they can't tell the other players that\
22:09 Evergreen Remember that mod that allows to give/revoke certain privs in a given area?
22:09 Uberi because the mod silently ignores chat messages from them that mention sheep
22:09 Evergreen That would be great for protection
22:11 Uberi also, they get to turn back into a normal player if they kill one
22:12 Uberi so you get all these sheep trying to push players off cliffs
22:13 kaurdump what's a good armor mod?
22:13 Uberi I hear 3D_armor is well updated
22:13 kaurdump my kids want me to add one
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22:14 kaurdump cool, i'll check out 3d_armor
22:18 svuorela can I somehow get a list of all crafting recipes available (including loaded mods)
22:18 Uberi try the craft guide mod
22:19 Evergreen Zeg9's would preferably
22:19 Evergreen *mod
22:19 sfan5 I need people to test my mod
22:19 Evergreen Or unified inventory
22:22 sokomine what does your mod do?
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22:23 sfan5 can automatically ban/revoke interact for players cheating
22:24 sfan5 you can see it in action after I've compiled minetest
22:25 sokomine ah. so something best to be tested on a multiplayer server
22:25 sfan5 yeah
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22:26 sokomine why did i forget to equip all my houses with signs? *sigh*
22:36 VanessaE um, oops? :)
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23:35 kaurdump so i loaded up 3d_armor, but is there a crafting guide for it?
23:38 Evergreen Use Zeg9's crafting guide mod for all crafting recipies(including mods)
23:39 Evergreen There should be crafting in the mod post too
23:44 kaurdump k thx
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